Topic: Secondstrade.com stole 0.9733BTC [Proofs Inside] (Read 1767 times)
Locking the thread since my case was resolved.
So let me see if I understand this correctly. Secondstrade is implying that someone deliberately deposited amounts above max to top up their hot wallet, so the depositor (or an accomplice) could scam it via TX dice, AND get the deposits refunded. Quite clever if true but also quite risky.
Yeah you are right. but I don't see how this is risky. The funds transferred from a seemingly "legit" address to a scammer through the hot wallet. Unless secondstrade admin is online and blacklists this legit address there is no chance of losing anything. This person also may have thought that the refund part is actually automatic.
Right, if the refund was automatic, that may have made sense. Even with that there is a risk that this could have stopped at any time, and it did.
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And incredibly stupid for secondstrade to commingle funds like that. Deposits over max should never have been part of the hot wallet, those are "borrowed" funds essentially.
That would not be practical. Since the deposit address remains the same, they would need a separate hot wallet. This would need to have a high balance which is not safe at all.
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If secondstrade doesn't have any sanity checks and blindly submits the outgoing TXs until the wallet runs dry - they're going to have more issues like this. They should subtract "IOU" amounts and check available balance before sending a payout out of the hot wallet, and/or sweep the over-max deposits to a separate wallet for manual processing.
So let me see if I understand this correctly. Secondstrade is implying that someone deliberately deposited amounts above max to top up their hot wallet, so the depositor (or an accomplice) could scam it via TX dice, AND get the deposits refunded. Quite clever if true but also quite risky.
Yeah you are right. but I don't see how this is risky. The funds transferred from a seemingly "legit" address to a scammer through the hot wallet. Unless secondstrade admin is online and blacklists this legit address there is no chance of losing anything. This person also may have thought that the refund part is actually automatic.
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And incredibly stupid for secondstrade to commingle funds like that. Deposits over max should never have been part of the hot wallet, those are "borrowed" funds essentially.
That would not be practical. Since the deposit address remains the same, they would need a separate hot wallet. This would need to have a high balance which is not safe at all.
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So let me see if I understand this correctly. Secondstrade is implying that someone deliberately deposited amounts above max to top up their hot wallet, so the depositor (or an accomplice) could scam it via TX dice, AND get the deposits refunded. Quite clever if true but also quite risky.
And incredibly stupid for secondstrade to commingle funds like that. Deposits over max should never have been part of the hot wallet, those are "borrowed" funds essentially.
Not sure what to think of sp3edm now.
And incredibly stupid for secondstrade to commingle funds like that. Deposits over max should never have been part of the hot wallet, those are "borrowed" funds essentially.
Not sure what to think of sp3edm now.
Can OP sign an address with over 5BTC? There is something wrong if you can't.
Yep. Some were using different address every time, and it some may have added losing bets to make this less obvious. All the cases other than the two (this one cleared) I have checked were refunded.
IMO OP was blacklisted because:
1. he started with 0.1 and ended with 0.9733
2. all the large bets won
3. bets were becoming larger and larger.
4.
Anyway can you provide us with all the transactions you have with secondstrade txdice?
Thanks. It sounds like they don't really have a good way to figure out who cheated. They should at least publish all bets and specify how they decided to pay or not pay the ones they processed manually.
And I still don't see how they could possibly suspect "tautvilis" if his/her last best was a losing one (not sure how to verify that though).
And I still don't see how they could possibly suspect "tautvilis" if his/her last best was a losing one (not sure how to verify that though).
Yep. Some were using different address every time, and it some may have added losing bets to make this less obvious. All the cases other than the two (this one cleared) I have checked were refunded.
IMO OP was blacklisted because:
1. he started with 0.1 and ended with 0.9733
2. all the large bets won
3. bets were becoming larger and larger.
4.
AFTER and only after tautvilis got his refund he is now telling everyone that im the scammer , huh ... got no words to say.
POST A PROOF i have 0 balance in my gambling address and even if i have money that doesn't prove that i was cheating.
Anyways What a bitch!
POST A PROOF i have 0 balance in my gambling address and even if i have money that doesn't prove that i was cheating.
Anyways What a bitch!
Anyway can you provide us with all the transactions you have with secondstrade txdice?
AFTER and only after tautvilis got his refund he is now telling everyone that im the scammer , huh ... got no words to say.
POST A PROOF i have 0 balance in my gambling address and even if i have money that doesn't prove that i was cheating.
Anyways What a bitch!
POST A PROOF i have 0 balance in my gambling address and even if i have money that doesn't prove that i was cheating.
Anyways What a bitch!
My bet was finally (after a week of waiting) refunded. Thank you to everyone who had replied in this topic, PM'ed secondstrade, or added him negative feedback.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:
but at the day, our hot wallet balance was become insufficient , because the scam.
so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.
the reason that we thought such that.
1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )
but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.
please wait some more.
Their reasoning behind my delay of refund is pretty logical considering they were the ones who suffered a loss.so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.
the reason that we thought such that.
1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )
but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.
please wait some more.
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.
Secondstrade was refund the amount to OP, you can lock this thread now since it's already resolved.
Refference link : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16558525
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we refunded him.
https://blockchain.info/tx/5c872b79e5518095d5045d2394849a4641a0073097d05615ab0aaad44e51a23d
thank you for your help .
we refunded him.
https://blockchain.info/tx/5c872b79e5518095d5045d2394849a4641a0073097d05615ab0aaad44e51a23d
thank you for your help .
Refference link : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16558525
Refunded or not, a scammer is a scammer. The -ve trusts should remain on secondstrade.com, i.e. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/secondstradecom-381676, to protect gamblers in future.
Secondstrade was refund the amount to OP, you can lock this thread now since it's already resolved.
Refference link : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16558525
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we refunded him.
https://blockchain.info/tx/5c872b79e5518095d5045d2394849a4641a0073097d05615ab0aaad44e51a23d
thank you for your help .
we refunded him.
https://blockchain.info/tx/5c872b79e5518095d5045d2394849a4641a0073097d05615ab0aaad44e51a23d
thank you for your help .
Refference link : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16558525
First It's not our fault if his game has a bug or problems, Second thing i didn't cheat Refund me now SCAMMER! Or post a PROOF.
The txdice relied purely on transaction hash. Secondstrade was not aware that the transaction id could be known before broadcasting it such that the player can just broadcast the winning ones.
The win rate was very high and made a loss of 9BTC to secondstrade in a very short period. All the others except 3 were refunded. Secondstrade suspected these 3 to be the ones who exploited this vulnerability.
They closed TXdice right after they realized this.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secondstradecom-stole-09733btc-proofs-inside-1640756
You have to explain in detail how the exploit worked and how you determined which users are involved in it. If I understand it correctly it was an issue with your own site that caused or allowed this to happen so you have to show very clearly that you know what happened, how it happened, how you will deal with the consequences, and how you will prevent this from happening again. Only then I can consider revising my feedback.
You have to explain in detail how the exploit worked and how you determined which users are involved in it. If I understand it correctly it was an issue with your own site that caused or allowed this to happen so you have to show very clearly that you know what happened, how it happened, how you will deal with the consequences, and how you will prevent this from happening again. Only then I can consider revising my feedback.
The txdice relied purely on transaction hash. Secondstrade was not aware that the transaction id could be known before broadcasting it such that the player can just broadcast the winning ones.
The win rate was very high and made a loss of 9BTC to secondstrade in a very short period. All the others except 3 were refunded. Secondstrade suspected these 3 to be the ones who exploited this vulnerability.
They closed TXdice right after they realized this.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secondstradecom-stole-09733btc-proofs-inside-1640756
You have to explain in detail how the exploit worked and how you determined which users are involved in it. If I understand it correctly it was an issue with your own site that caused or allowed this to happen so you have to show very clearly that you know what happened, how it happened, how you will deal with the consequences, and how you will prevent this from happening again. Only then I can consider revising my feedback.
You have to explain in detail how the exploit worked and how you determined which users are involved in it. If I understand it correctly it was an issue with your own site that caused or allowed this to happen so you have to show very clearly that you know what happened, how it happened, how you will deal with the consequences, and how you will prevent this from happening again. Only then I can consider revising my feedback.
The txdice relied purely on transaction hash. Secondstrade was not aware that the transaction id could be known before broadcasting it such that the player can just broadcast the winning ones.
The win rate was very high and made a loss of 9BTC to secondstrade in a very short period. All the others except 3 were refunded. Secondstrade suspected these 3 to be the ones who exploited this vulnerability.
They closed TXdice right after they realized this.
Thanks. It sounds like they don't really have a good way to figure out who cheated. They should at least publish all bets and specify how they decided to pay or not pay the ones they processed manually.
And I still don't see how they could possibly suspect "tautvilis" if his/her last best was a losing one (not sure how to verify that though).
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secondstradecom-stole-09733btc-proofs-inside-1640756
You have to explain in detail how the exploit worked and how you determined which users are involved in it. If I understand it correctly it was an issue with your own site that caused or allowed this to happen so you have to show very clearly that you know what happened, how it happened, how you will deal with the consequences, and how you will prevent this from happening again. Only then I can consider revising my feedback.
You have to explain in detail how the exploit worked and how you determined which users are involved in it. If I understand it correctly it was an issue with your own site that caused or allowed this to happen so you have to show very clearly that you know what happened, how it happened, how you will deal with the consequences, and how you will prevent this from happening again. Only then I can consider revising my feedback.
The txdice relied purely on transaction hash. Secondstrade was not aware that the transaction id could be known before broadcasting it such that the player can just broadcast the winning ones.
The win rate was very high and made a loss of 9BTC to secondstrade in a very short period. All the others except 3 were refunded. Secondstrade suspected these 3 to be the ones who exploited this vulnerability.
They closed TXdice right after they realized this.
Is it time to dump the sig yet? I'd hate to say bye to the campaign, but I'm not promoting scams either. And right now I'm not sure what's what.
Here is a response I sent to one of secondstrade's PMs where they claimed that they may reconsider and refund "tautvilis". I think it's worth to post this publicly and to encourage them to respond here:
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You have to do much better than that. You have to post full analysis of the issue, publicly, in your scam accusation thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secondstradecom-stole-09733btc-proofs-inside-1640756
You have to explain in detail how the exploit worked and how you determined which users are involved in it. If I understand it correctly it was an issue with your own site that caused or allowed this to happen so you have to show very clearly that you know what happened, how it happened, how you will deal with the consequences, and how you will prevent this from happening again. Only then I can consider revising my feedback.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secondstradecom-stole-09733btc-proofs-inside-1640756
You have to explain in detail how the exploit worked and how you determined which users are involved in it. If I understand it correctly it was an issue with your own site that caused or allowed this to happen so you have to show very clearly that you know what happened, how it happened, how you will deal with the consequences, and how you will prevent this from happening again. Only then I can consider revising my feedback.
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But my case is different. I have done 11 transactions on 1.98 and 4.08 multipliers only. 4 out of 11 transactions lost, only 7 won.
And my last transaction was over the max 0.9733BTC what's the craziest part about that? If your max bet was bigger my transaction would have in fact lost because I have sent to x1.98 on higher than 49 and mine was 39.
But since you have a rule of refunding bets that are higher than the max, I am waiting for your refund.
I will not scream nor will I bold my text but please secondstrade read my post.
But my case is different. I have done 11 transactions on 1.98 and 4.08 multipliers only. 4 out of 11 transactions lost, only 7 won.
And my last transaction was over the max 0.9733BTC what's the craziest part about that? If your max bet was bigger my transaction would have in fact lost because I have sent to x1.98 on higher than 49 and mine was 39.
But since you have a rule of refunding bets that are higher than the max, I am waiting for your refund.
I will not scream nor will I bold my text but please secondstrade read my post.
That is good!!
You should get your refund. I'll PM secondstrade.
ndnh, can u do the same with me please ? i'm in the same case: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16540424
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But my case is different. I have done 11 transactions on 1.98 and 4.08 multipliers only. 4 out of 11 transactions lost, only 7 won.
And my last transaction was over the max 0.9733BTC what's the craziest part about that? If your max bet was bigger my transaction would have in fact lost because I have sent to x1.98 on higher than 49 and mine was 39.
But since you have a rule of refunding bets that are higher than the max, I am waiting for your refund.
I will not scream nor will I bold my text but please secondstrade read my post.
But my case is different. I have done 11 transactions on 1.98 and 4.08 multipliers only. 4 out of 11 transactions lost, only 7 won.
And my last transaction was over the max 0.9733BTC what's the craziest part about that? If your max bet was bigger my transaction would have in fact lost because I have sent to x1.98 on higher than 49 and mine was 39.
But since you have a rule of refunding bets that are higher than the max, I am waiting for your refund.
I will not scream nor will I bold my text but please secondstrade read my post.
That is good!!
You should get your refund. I'll PM secondstrade.
Scam? But users are still promoting the sig?
It is possible cause 400 people are in his campaign, he scams much money and pays penny to the campaigners. Easy money
Scam? But users are still promoting the sig?
Upon checking the address, it seems the bet was refunded, is that correct?
I don't think so:
https://blockchain.info/address/1PKd8B1BGWJW19NSeHY6KGKkhCsFGtkAvH
That's the OP's address. last TX is October 7 to 1NqC, which is secondstrade address. No refund as far as I can see.
While being slow with it, they issued a few refunds earlier today (checking their thread, there were quite a number of open refunds to catch up on).
I've now been waiting 5 days for the refund, although it is clearly stated in their rules that ""Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation."
They should adjust that part of their rules, I think it means bets are refunded after at least six confirmations.Seeing as they are doing refunds now, they are probably doing them manually (?) or at least semi-manually.
That's the OP's address. last TX is October 7 to 1NqC, which is secondstrade address. No refund as far as I can see.
You're rigth, where's my glasses?Secondstrades has been carrying out refunds this morning, seems OP was not among them, though.
Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.
I'm in the same case of tautvilis.
Blazed, the owner is ignoring our messages... you can see on the official thread.
I sent some pm and never had response.
He will never refund us, so people need to be warned to avoid future scams from him.
The main reason seems because the owner of secondstrade made a new game called "txdice" who was shitty coded and resulted a lost of 9 BTC... So he needs to scam to recover money.
For information, 0.8 + 0.9733 + 0.5 => 2.2733 BTC scammed in 5 days. (only for 3 people).
Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.
I negged them even before tautvilis PMed - clearly secondstrade is aware of the issue, it's been several days, their own terms state "after 6 confirmations", they have refunded some users recently but not the OP and a few others.
I can always revise or remove the feedback but their actions are highly suspect at this time so the site should be avoided until they refund or provide a valid reason not to.
Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.
I've now been waiting 5 days for the refund, although it is clearly stated in their rules that ""Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation." 
Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.
I have messaged these members from default trust:
"BayAreaCoins", "markj113", "dooglus", "suchmoon", "cryptodevil", "shorena", "Blazed", "Tomatocage", "OldScammerTag", "Raize", "OgNasty", "SaltySpitoon", "BadBear", "theymos", "Vod", "RHavar", "tysat", "dogie", "jackjack", "Dabs", "DannyHamilton", "xetsr", "Mitchell", "hilariousandco", "TheButterZone"
I can only send a message to up to 10 people at once so I only sent a message to people that I am familiar with.
"BayAreaCoins", "markj113", "dooglus", "suchmoon", "cryptodevil", "shorena", "Blazed", "Tomatocage", "OldScammerTag", "Raize", "OgNasty", "SaltySpitoon", "BadBear", "theymos", "Vod", "RHavar", "tysat", "dogie", "jackjack", "Dabs", "DannyHamilton", "xetsr", "Mitchell", "hilariousandco", "TheButterZone"
I can only send a message to up to 10 people at once so I only sent a message to people that I am familiar with.
Guys,
I think that a separate thread should be created, where everybody should post their "story". I already notified secondstrade (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16524353) about another scam accusation, but please understand that its difficult to follow everything. I will do my best to assist you.
I started new scam thread here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16540424 I think that a separate thread should be created, where everybody should post their "story". I already notified secondstrade (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16524353) about another scam accusation, but please understand that its difficult to follow everything. I will do my best to assist you.
Guys,
I think that a separate thread should be created, where everybody should post their "story". I already notified secondstrade (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16524353) about another scam accusation, but please understand that its difficult to follow everything. I will do my best to assist you.
I think that a separate thread should be created, where everybody should post their "story". I already notified secondstrade (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16524353) about another scam accusation, but please understand that its difficult to follow everything. I will do my best to assist you.
One more day, do you guys get the money back? Update the status, I usually see many complaint in their OP, he runs a so big paid campaign with lowest rate, IMO he is a greedy casino owner. I wish you win win win, and let him broke.
SECONDSTRADE.COM still GOT NO FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING SINGLE RED TRUST INTERSTING!!
tautvilis, i'm too not refunded by the owner.
Tx ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83 - 0.8 BTC
It seems like Secondstrade.com wants to keep our money because they lost 9 BTC at their shitty tx dice game...
On secondstrade.com notice, it say if amount is over limit, the tx is refunded automatically after 6 confirmations. That's not true.
Tx ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83 - 0.8 BTC
It seems like Secondstrade.com wants to keep our money because they lost 9 BTC at their shitty tx dice game...
On secondstrade.com notice, it say if amount is over limit, the tx is refunded automatically after 6 confirmations. That's not true.
Wow the scam accusations keep popping up for secondstrade. I saw that they were having some technical difficulties but this is getting ridiculous. Keep us in the loop OP.
I am not the only person who is not refunded by the owner:
Are you serious admin? I SENT TO YOU 2 PMs, 2 POSTS IN YOUR THREAD FOR REFUND
People, let's see the honesty of the owner of secondstrade.com.
I sent 0.8 BTC by error... (it was over limit so game was not played)
Tx ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
Secondstrade tx status: http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83 (NOT PLAYED)
Since 2 days, i have no responses, the admin ignore all my pms etc...
Please refund my transaction
Can someone from default trust add him some negative feedback. Maybe a red trust rating will speed the things up. People, let's see the honesty of the owner of secondstrade.com.
I sent 0.8 BTC by error... (it was over limit so game was not played)
Tx ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
Secondstrade tx status: http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83 (NOT PLAYED)
Since 2 days, i have no responses, the admin ignore all my pms etc...
Please refund my transaction
Post this in their OP, his op is not self moderated one, so feel free to post negative against them, if they want to continue the business, he will pay you. And don't forget leave this site after you have the money
tautvilis did.
We thought like you, but transaction id can be selected.
"Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation." I've sent you 0.9733BTC and that transaction already has over 125 confirmations. Please refund.And secondstrade posted this:
Our system had a problem for about 10 hours .
But it was fixed.
We will refund for the bet of the time.
But scammer will not be refunded.
Thank you
But it was fixed.
We will refund for the bet of the time.
But scammer will not be refunded.
Thank you
But it's unclear who they are referring to.
Post this in their OP, his op is not self moderated one, so feel free to post negative against them, if they want to continue the business, he will pay you. And don't forget leave this site after you have the money
Maybe he was busy then. Anyway I will send a Pm to the accused to give him some light about this thread. BTW may I know for which game in secondstrade you send the btc.
me too i got scammed for more than 0.5 btc and no refund till now the funny part their home thread if full of scam accusations and the owner have no fucking red trust
So i understand that- this forum simply full of bastards and thiefs and motherfuckers and the fairness pretenders ....
So i understand that- this forum simply full of bastards and thiefs and motherfuckers and the fairness pretenders ....
Hi tautvilis, I have read your post of complaints in the principal topic about secondstrade...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16492895
Because every time they issue a repayment, without any problem, so probably also in this time you have only to wait another reply by secondstrade owner ... and that's it. Also seems really clear that your bet need to be refunded, so I don't think they want scam you.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16492895
Because every time they issue a repayment, without any problem, so probably also in this time you have only to wait another reply by secondstrade owner ... and that's it. Also seems really clear that your bet need to be refunded, so I don't think they want scam you.
I've been trying to get this sorted out peacefully, and was waiting for almost 48 hours to get my BTC back but I was simply ignored by the owner and that is why I am writing everything here.
So what happened?
In short I've sent a bet to secondstrade.com that was over the max and they haven't returned it, although in their rules (secondstrade.com/notice.html) it is clearly stated that "Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation."
Detailed information:
First of all I'd like to give my betting history and here it is:
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=f6ec64d4758584a47fa4783c821e4f5f420d752d2ee15ae4d169b2b4884eb620 0.01BTC x 1.98 = 0.0198
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=865f4b4c24a8fc1c00a7e9a14c060924e0625b576512c248922494672f7e84e7 0.05BTC x 4.08 = 0.204
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=6b9af29f73148a4ab421687e601fbaaa840ecd3b5cb8bdfc4136f5a14e1bb3d4 0.05BTC x 1.98 = 0.099
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=ff463849acb65484a1bb76987dda62a8a22710d4137d09cac3b02f5b0f798d6d 0.05BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=f916dc4ee07e520ea3ea5eff9f60436a2677ccf20e380fa5f6a3b722ef52bdfd 0.14BTC x 1.98 = 0.2772
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a63074bc6cf45cd4f1dce789b5894dd7ff2dce7d2007e73a5642843a15487285 0.1BTC x 1.98 = 0.198
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=2b3242b0cd324c9621e433838c5cfae7efc0d5bc2f06c08a24bc15bcd101093e 0.019896BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=903ee25575b2fa769bed432ee9046da4899a458088a44339c19b61d85a1c258f 0.3BTC x 1.98 = 0.594
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=14f7ed5fe15c9c72182dc30f20c0796cb60b480ab89df4e1f0fa5cd011c89a6a 0.05BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=dee84551a49e1ebb8b9911f176ab265a6e2b7ef8db521e5a660a6f7b407201f8 0.1BTC x 4.08 = 0.408
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=399d595b0edf0999aea19aed64033a0e93e3c88e6ee56ed9f86776dd28e1cf53 0.05BTC loss
In case the owner tries do delete these pages I have them saved at web.archive.org
So as you can see I started with 0.100796BTC in my address blockchain.info/address/1PKd8B1BGWJW19NSeHY6KGKkhCsFGtkAvH and ended up with 0.9733BTC then I've tried to go all in and sent 0.9733BTC in transaction blockchain.info/tx/a3dc9561b456eeef9e3b96cedb7c86c80c0be493e0efd5a66dc59494442264c1 to address blockchain.info/address/1NqCDioR4G6TeoxcVxx5wpghQ7UmESD4uz that is for x1.98 bets only then did I realized that max bet is 0.5BTC.
So the owner was supposed to refund me that transaction but he hasn't done it in almost 48 hours.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/secondstradecom-381676
Scammers site:
http://secondstrade.com/
Amount Scammed: 0.9733BTC
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://blockchain.info/tx/a3dc9561b456eeef9e3b96cedb7c86c80c0be493e0efd5a66dc59494442264c1
So what happened?
In short I've sent a bet to secondstrade.com that was over the max and they haven't returned it, although in their rules (secondstrade.com/notice.html) it is clearly stated that "Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation."
Detailed information:
First of all I'd like to give my betting history and here it is:
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=f6ec64d4758584a47fa4783c821e4f5f420d752d2ee15ae4d169b2b4884eb620 0.01BTC x 1.98 = 0.0198
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=865f4b4c24a8fc1c00a7e9a14c060924e0625b576512c248922494672f7e84e7 0.05BTC x 4.08 = 0.204
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=6b9af29f73148a4ab421687e601fbaaa840ecd3b5cb8bdfc4136f5a14e1bb3d4 0.05BTC x 1.98 = 0.099
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=ff463849acb65484a1bb76987dda62a8a22710d4137d09cac3b02f5b0f798d6d 0.05BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=f916dc4ee07e520ea3ea5eff9f60436a2677ccf20e380fa5f6a3b722ef52bdfd 0.14BTC x 1.98 = 0.2772
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a63074bc6cf45cd4f1dce789b5894dd7ff2dce7d2007e73a5642843a15487285 0.1BTC x 1.98 = 0.198
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=2b3242b0cd324c9621e433838c5cfae7efc0d5bc2f06c08a24bc15bcd101093e 0.019896BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=903ee25575b2fa769bed432ee9046da4899a458088a44339c19b61d85a1c258f 0.3BTC x 1.98 = 0.594
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=14f7ed5fe15c9c72182dc30f20c0796cb60b480ab89df4e1f0fa5cd011c89a6a 0.05BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=dee84551a49e1ebb8b9911f176ab265a6e2b7ef8db521e5a660a6f7b407201f8 0.1BTC x 4.08 = 0.408
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=399d595b0edf0999aea19aed64033a0e93e3c88e6ee56ed9f86776dd28e1cf53 0.05BTC loss
In case the owner tries do delete these pages I have them saved at web.archive.org
So as you can see I started with 0.100796BTC in my address blockchain.info/address/1PKd8B1BGWJW19NSeHY6KGKkhCsFGtkAvH and ended up with 0.9733BTC then I've tried to go all in and sent 0.9733BTC in transaction blockchain.info/tx/a3dc9561b456eeef9e3b96cedb7c86c80c0be493e0efd5a66dc59494442264c1 to address blockchain.info/address/1NqCDioR4G6TeoxcVxx5wpghQ7UmESD4uz that is for x1.98 bets only then did I realized that max bet is 0.5BTC.
So the owner was supposed to refund me that transaction but he hasn't done it in almost 48 hours.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/secondstradecom-381676
Scammers site:
http://secondstrade.com/
Amount Scammed: 0.9733BTC
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://blockchain.info/tx/a3dc9561b456eeef9e3b96cedb7c86c80c0be493e0efd5a66dc59494442264c1
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