It is hard to do meet up if you and the seller is very far from each other, especially overseas.
Escrow is a good way to make the deal secured and also make sure that the third party escrow is trusted and reputable person.
Escrow is good but it also has a risk of a low percentage.
the best deal is meet up so if you want to have it just find someone else near your place.
Topic: seller refuse to meetup to selll miners but accept escrow your thouhts? (Read 355 times)
April 13, 2018, 04:49:09 AM
March 14, 2018, 03:15:15 AM
Escrow is pretty much secure... I suggest you guys use Paxful.com to process your trades they have a nice system that enables you to chat real time
March 12, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
actually he gave me list of escrows to choose so that's a good sign but otherwise his offer is full of alarming signs not willing to provide all pictures, dont want to meetup, delete post from his thread etc etc.
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
Lol. I guess that gives the final verdict. It is good you have been able to detect that quickly anyway. All those actions from him sounds more like he is trying to clear any record of him, and bro, you should better find another alternative. Also, giving you a list of escrow from him puts your fund in serious jeopardy and it is not a trustable deal at all. He is probably a scammer and even if he is not, his action speaks otherwise.He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
March 09, 2018, 12:37:44 AM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
What you are saying is a little bit confusing. But from the way I understood it, you said that you paid for a miner and according to seller, he won’t be able to deliver at the time you proposed but rather chose to extend it after accepting escrow. Uuhm…if that’s the issue and as long as the money remains in escrow and not in the hands of the seller, then there is no problem and it is no scam. Even if it turns out to scam, you can still take back your money in escrow. What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
The op's statement is not confusing at all and i understand it clearly so far. Maybe you just cant understand a proper english , thats why your having a hard time to deal with it?anyway back to the main topic.
The op did not pay at all rather he we would like to meet the seller to check the product but the seller refuses to it , rather the seller only wants an escrow but op is still doubting because he wouldnt know if the item is still in good condition or not.
if i were op i woudnt agree to this terms because this is a physical goods and not a digital item that you can just use no matter what is the status of the product. not unless your buying on a reputable and trusted shopping site.
March 09, 2018, 12:07:57 AM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
What you are saying is a little bit confusing. But from the way I understood it, you said that you paid for a miner and according to seller, he won’t be able to deliver at the time you proposed but rather chose to extend it after accepting escrow. Uuhm…if that’s the issue and as long as the money remains in escrow and not in the hands of the seller, then there is no problem and it is no scam. Even if it turns out to scam, you can still take back your money in escrow. What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
March 06, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
i think this is scam attempts and i personally will avoid this kind of sellers because in my view 45k euro is huge amount of money and if the seller really reputable i think they should not refuse to meet up because normally buyers don't want to get scam by them however i fear if you continue to bought some stuffs from them the description will not match and you get low quality goods
March 06, 2018, 09:53:16 AM
I think it's okay, because mining and even holding cryptocurrency is dangerous in most of countries. I would do the same in his place.
Why would the seller refuse to meetup so that the buyer can see the miners for real? The buyer has the right to see his miners if the location is near and can be visited. If you really like the miners and there's no other option but to follow the condition of seller just make sure you follow others suggestion of getting a very trustworthy person and does have business with you before or with the seller. Be careful there are too many tandem schemes that are existing to scam buyers. 
March 06, 2018, 03:07:17 AM
actually he gave me list of escrows to choose so that's a good sign but otherwise his offer is full of alarming signs not willing to provide all pictures, dont want to meetup, delete post from his thread etc etc.
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
Lol. I guess that gives the final verdict. It is good you have been able to detect that quickly anyway. All those actions from him sounds more like he is trying to clear any record of him, and bro, you should better find another alternative. Also, giving you a list of escrow from him puts your fund in serious jeopardy and it is not a trustable deal at all. He is probably a scammer and even if he is not, his action speaks otherwise. He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
March 06, 2018, 03:05:07 AM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
You will need to be very careful and if he is using an escrow, just make sure you are both using a neutral escrow system or one from you. You will be on the high risk side of things if you end up with an escrow from his side as that can be easily planned. Escrow is good, but you have to take precautions and I am sure he may be trying to be safe as well as you, but thread cautiously. What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
March 06, 2018, 12:20:34 AM
Thats too risky, because you are dealing with a big money, so always becareful.
If you do a backround check to that person, and you think its is legit or trusted so theres nothing to worry about. But if its not, try to make an agreement, that you can assure that you will not get scam. Or find another one that is trusted or a business man.
If you do a backround check to that person, and you think its is legit or trusted so theres nothing to worry about. But if its not, try to make an agreement, that you can assure that you will not get scam. Or find another one that is trusted or a business man.
Why it is too risky while the seller willing to use escrow? He wont get scammed because the fund is safe at escrow, unless the escrow is not trusted person with no history of escrowing big amount of money.
Let me ask you, if you are on the seller side who are going to sell a thing with high price. Will you accept to meetup with buyers that you do not know before? I guess no, as it will be too risky for the seller as well. Here is the use of escrow, both parties feels comfortable to do the deal.
March 05, 2018, 10:47:02 PM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
When it comes to making any deal you need to be 100% sure of what you are buying, remember you are the client and the client is always right, if you are not even allowed to see the product before sending your money to an escrow then avoid the deal and never meet with that person, you never know what kind of scam they may try to pull on you and when we take into account that if you decide to liberate the payment thinking everything is OK and then you discover it was a scam all along then you will have no way to get that money back. What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
March 05, 2018, 06:10:01 AM
Thats too risky, because you are dealing with a big money, so always becareful.
If you do a backround check to that person, and you think its is legit or trusted so theres nothing to worry about. But if its not, try to make an agreement, that you can assure that you will not get scam. Or find another one that is trusted or a business man.
If you do a backround check to that person, and you think its is legit or trusted so theres nothing to worry about. But if its not, try to make an agreement, that you can assure that you will not get scam. Or find another one that is trusted or a business man.
March 04, 2018, 12:22:57 PM
I think it's okay, because mining and even holding cryptocurrency is dangerous in most of countries. I would do the same in his place.
March 04, 2018, 11:57:23 AM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
If it's an escrowed deal, make sure to find someone VERY reputable because I don't think you'll be dealing with small amounts of money. Even with an escrow, I would be a little iffy about the seller. If I were to spend that much money, I'd want to see the product before I make any payment. So, in this case, I would say not to go through with the deal just because if you're dealing with the amount of money that you say you are, it's not worth it to get scammed.
This is also my call. Get a trusted escrow here and you should be the one who chooses escrow. Several scenario's might happen (1) If he chooses his own escrows then the possibility of him and escrow colluding is there and even if its just a small amount they will likely pull a scam (2) payment in bitcoin is irreversible, so once you pay him without escrow then say goodbye to your bitcoin. If you guys doesn't meet in the middle then I might as well go and look for other options. IMHO.
If there is just no concrete agreement between the two to at least use an escrow probably on this forum with a high level of trust, then there is no point going ahead with such deal. Better to find another alternative like you said than risk that huge amount of money.
February 28, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Try to find some other people who did business with them. Otherwise I would not do the deal for that amount of money.
Yeah, it is a huge amount of money and it would be crazy to just fall for any escrow bullshit. Firstly, an escrow from the seller itself puts the OP to a high disadvantage and I am not sure if the seller to if he is genuine may want to make use of an escrow from the buyer's side.All the above, there are some platforms or even on this forum that an escrow can be liaised with for such transactions and the OP can tell the buyer to discuss. I would be very careful in this kind of dealing though.
February 26, 2018, 06:26:40 PM
My take on this is that probably he refused to meetup because the miners are damaged and you might probably notice when you are testing it together.
The seller isn't stupid (at least I hope not) to just blindly buy something holding a lot value. Buyer can demand to have the hardware be tested by the escrow, or buy it and test it himself while the escrow doesn't release the funds.If the miners are working as they should, then buyer signals the escrow that he can release the funds, and the deal is successfully completed. It's not difficult at all. If the sellers still disagrees, then just skip the deal entirely.
In that case the seller is likely a shady person. If the seller agrees, then he is just looking to maintain his privacy, which we should respect. These kind of deals happen on this forum as well, so it's nothing new at all.
February 26, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Even if he used Escrow which may stand as been genuine and reliable but him refusing to meet face to face is a bit question considering that what he intend to sell need to be tested. If its just bitcoin selling, then only trusted escrow will be just fine. My take on this is that probably he refused to meetup because the miners are damaged and you might probably notice when you are testing it together. OP, if you are still having a double mind about this, find another seller.
February 26, 2018, 02:58:06 PM
Maybe the seller want's to private his personality. Its good for you both to hire a trusted escrow just to make sure you're money will not lose. But I see no reason why the seller doesn't wan't to show up his face it turns me up to curiosity.
You somewhat answered your own question. If we dig a bit deeper into why people wouldn't want to deal with random people, then it's safe to say that it's done to maintain a non crypto profile for the outside world. I would trade in this exact same fashion as well. In fact, I have sold coins through a proxy to someone who was in need of Bitcoin that wanted to pay a fair premium. The main point is that as long as the escrow (ie, proxy) is a reputable party that both the buyer and seller agree with, it's not a problem at all. In this case the escrow could even test if everything works properly.
Yeah. I'd never do a face to face, especially as a seller. There's nothing wrong with wanting to keep as much of your privacy as possible - in fact, there's everything right with that. Not to mention personal security. We're talking about a lot of money and very specific, very expensive equipment here. I'm pretty laid back when it comes to my physical identity in relation to crypto, but then I'm not dealing with this kind of financial and monetary risks...
As pointed out rather creatively a few posts above, (a solid) escrow is really all you need. Protects both parties' interests and ensures both sides get what they want without much fuss.
February 26, 2018, 10:12:36 AM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
If the seller is residing only near into your place then its quiet odd that he wont agree on the terms of meet up yet you are just residing near each other which means if he wont meet up then its suspicious.Meeting up is the safest way for me on making transactions specially when we are already transacting big amounts. Its good to see the item first before paying out. If escrowed funds then always go for the reputable escrows into this forum.What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
February 26, 2018, 10:05:42 AM
Maybe the seller want's to private his personality. Its good for you both to hire a trusted escrow just to make sure you're money will not lose. But I see no reason why the seller doesn't wan't to show up his face it turns me up to curiosity.
You somewhat answered your own question. If we dig a bit deeper into why people wouldn't want to deal with random people, then it's safe to say that it's done to maintain a non crypto profile for the outside world. I would trade in this exact same fashion as well. In fact, I have sold coins through a proxy to someone who was in need of Bitcoin that wanted to pay a fair premium. The main point is that as long as the escrow (ie, proxy) is a reputable party that both the buyer and seller agree with, it's not a problem at all. In this case the escrow could even test if everything works properly.
February 26, 2018, 09:30:50 AM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
If the seller is residing only near into your place then its quiet odd that he wont agree on the terms of meet up yet you are just residing near each other which means if he wont meet up then its suspicious.Meeting up is the safest way for me on making transactions specially when we are already transacting big amounts. Its good to see the item first before paying out. If escrowed funds then always go for the reputable escrows into this forum.What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
February 26, 2018, 08:50:55 AM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
If the seller is residing only near into your place then its quiet odd that he wont agree on the terms of meet up yet you are just residing near each other which means if he wont meet up then its suspicious.Meeting up is the safest way for me on making transactions specially when we are already transacting big amounts. Its good to see the item first before paying out. If escrowed funds then always go for the reputable escrows into this forum. What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
February 26, 2018, 06:31:07 AM
Maybe the seller want's to private his personality. Its good for you both to hire a trusted escrow just to make sure you're money will not lose. But I see no reason why the seller doesn't wan't to show up his face it turns me up to curiosity.
Many scammers are veteran in doing that we should be aware of. Face to face dealing is the best option you could do. You can assure with it. If you are not sure about that think twice or thrice so many legit sellers that could offer you more to trade safety. Unlike that one its very suspicious.
If it smells like a scam, I'd spend not 1 more second thinking about that deal and I'd look somewhere else.
Escrow "offers" were used in so many scams, I'd never buy anything unless it's from a reputable store, or paid on arrival.
I think large shipping companies offer this option, why wouldn't the seller use it if he's legit?
Or why wouldn't it be ok to go there and get it in person? For a 40k deal I'd fly over.
Escrow "offers" were used in so many scams, I'd never buy anything unless it's from a reputable store, or paid on arrival.
I think large shipping companies offer this option, why wouldn't the seller use it if he's legit?
Or why wouldn't it be ok to go there and get it in person? For a 40k deal I'd fly over.
Many scammers are veteran in doing that we should be aware of. Face to face dealing is the best option you could do. You can assure with it. If you are not sure about that think twice or thrice so many legit sellers that could offer you more to trade safety. Unlike that one its very suspicious.
February 26, 2018, 04:39:15 AM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
There could be many reasons if a seller doesn't want to meet and deliver the goods, as an example.... distance.
But it is not right to release escrow before buyer confirms the goods are in good form and the seller should not force buyer on releasing the escrow.
The reason why the seller wants you to release the escrow before you look at the goods is that you may claim the good is damaged and you can take advantage of escrow. MAYBE!
It will be better to ignore this deal because you both are not in a good understanding level, if you guys still try to execute the deal then you may get some problem later.
But if you still insist to do the deal then a local escrow can be very helpful. If any problem arises then the escrow can check the goods physically.
February 26, 2018, 02:14:20 AM
If it smells like a scam, I'd spend not 1 more second thinking about that deal and I'd look somewhere else.
Escrow "offers" were used in so many scams, I'd never buy anything unless it's from a reputable store, or paid on arrival.
I think large shipping companies offer this option, why wouldn't the seller use it if he's legit?
Or why wouldn't it be ok to go there and get it in person? For a 40k deal I'd fly over.
Escrow "offers" were used in so many scams, I'd never buy anything unless it's from a reputable store, or paid on arrival.
I think large shipping companies offer this option, why wouldn't the seller use it if he's legit?
Or why wouldn't it be ok to go there and get it in person? For a 40k deal I'd fly over.
February 26, 2018, 12:59:16 AM
I don't really understand how people really expect just to go somewhere and meet person without security.
There is many robbery stories nowdays, and even with meetup money should be first in safe place (escrow) before any meetup.
Even if something goes wrong, at least the funds will be in safe place.
If i were a seller and selling couple of different miners and had thread about it providing proof of ownership for part of it, i would never agree to waste time screen all of the machines for sale.
Consider there will be escrow, the seller have no reason to do anything wrong, or he will never see even a cent from the escrow.
Simple and easy.
There is many robbery stories nowdays, and even with meetup money should be first in safe place (escrow) before any meetup.
Even if something goes wrong, at least the funds will be in safe place.
If i were a seller and selling couple of different miners and had thread about it providing proof of ownership for part of it, i would never agree to waste time screen all of the machines for sale.
Consider there will be escrow, the seller have no reason to do anything wrong, or he will never see even a cent from the escrow.
Simple and easy.
February 25, 2018, 09:50:24 AM
I do not find a fishy thing here, it is seller's right to ask you to escrow the funds before meet you. For such amount of money, I think I will do the same thing because seller want to make sure that you are a serious buyer.
I dont think it is a scam because he do not refuse to use escrow, he did even let you to choose the escrow, am I right? How could it be a scam if the money is not on seller's hand?
I dont think it is a scam because he do not refuse to use escrow, he did even let you to choose the escrow, am I right? How could it be a scam if the money is not on seller's hand?
February 25, 2018, 04:31:15 AM
actually he gave me list of escrows to choose so that's a good sign but otherwise his offer is full of alarming signs not willing to provide all pictures, dont want to meetup, delete post from his thread etc etc.
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
Find another seller if you don't trust this one. He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
You should avoid someone who is selling items and don't want to show pictures of them.
February 24, 2018, 08:06:17 PM
All of you cock suckers can't realize one point.
No escrow = Scam
Escrow = ALL is okay.
If the escrow is reputable all should be okay.
Every single seller may have reason to refuse or deny pictures consider he's using escrow.
Obviously with an escrow, he won't receive single cent before the buyer confirmation.
I mean, once the buyer receive his goods and see all is okay, only then the escrow will release the coins.
It makes no sense to ask for more pictures if there was already some provided as proof of ownership.
People sell 100+ miners and screen only 5 of them (for obvious reasons).
You can't ask someone to screen everything he sells because its stupid.
If you go with HIGH TRUSTED escrow, everything is cool.
No escrow = Scam
Escrow = ALL is okay.
If the escrow is reputable all should be okay.
Every single seller may have reason to refuse or deny pictures consider he's using escrow.
Obviously with an escrow, he won't receive single cent before the buyer confirmation.
I mean, once the buyer receive his goods and see all is okay, only then the escrow will release the coins.
It makes no sense to ask for more pictures if there was already some provided as proof of ownership.
People sell 100+ miners and screen only 5 of them (for obvious reasons).
You can't ask someone to screen everything he sells because its stupid.
If you go with HIGH TRUSTED escrow, everything is cool.
February 24, 2018, 05:40:01 PM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
It would be best to escrow payment with a really trusted member and use a multisig wallet since it is worth that much. Since it is that big, I would say that you should get something like 3 of 4 multisig or even 3 of 5 multisig. Get two to three escrows so that you can mitigate a lot of risk since it is a huge amount. Just be careful sending money to just anyone and do you own due diligence!
February 24, 2018, 04:27:11 PM
actually he gave me list of escrows to choose so that's a good sign but otherwise his offer is full of alarming signs not willing to provide all pictures, dont want to meetup, delete post from his thread etc etc.
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
Does the escrow list have any reputable members? if it doesn't then that's a big red flag. And like you said, the fact that the seller doesn't even provide any pictures is very suspicious. Deleting posts isn't that much of an issue since people can always leave a positive/negative feedback on the seller's Trust summary.He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
But honestly, if you think that something doesn't feel quite right, just look for another seller.
February 24, 2018, 03:34:15 PM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
Given that you are dealing with person you don't know with huge amount of money on the line, it is not safe to make a deal without seeing the products you are willing to buy, It smells fishy if he refuse to to show the hardwares before escrow payments, because there might be some damages on the hardwares that he don't want the buyer to see or he/she is selling a fake one, there is no way I will buy any products online without seeing the actual picture of it especially if it is not cheap. If you really want to deal with this person then you should be the one who will pick an escrow not the one he wants you to use. What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
February 24, 2018, 02:22:09 AM
actually he gave me list of escrows to choose so that's a good sign but otherwise his offer is full of alarming signs not willing to provide all pictures, dont want to meetup, delete post from his thread etc etc.
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options
February 23, 2018, 10:12:54 PM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
If it's an escrowed deal, make sure to find someone VERY reputable because I don't think you'll be dealing with small amounts of money. Even with an escrow, I would be a little iffy about the seller. If I were to spend that much money, I'd want to see the product before I make any payment. So, in this case, I would say not to go through with the deal just because if you're dealing with the amount of money that you say you are, it's not worth it to get scammed.
This is also my call. Get a trusted escrow here and you should be the one who chooses escrow. Several scenario's might happen (1) If he chooses his own escrows then the possibility of him and escrow colluding is there and even if its just a small amount they will likely pull a scam (2) payment in bitcoin is irreversible, so once you pay him without escrow then say goodbye to your bitcoin. If you guys doesn't meet in the middle then I might as well go and look for other options. IMHO.
February 23, 2018, 04:13:56 PM
Try to find some other people who did business with them. Otherwise I would not do the deal for that amount of money.
February 23, 2018, 01:09:40 PM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
If it's an escrowed deal, make sure to find someone VERY reputable because I don't think you'll be dealing with small amounts of money. Even with an escrow, I would be a little iffy about the seller. If I were to spend that much money, I'd want to see the product before I make any payment. So, in this case, I would say not to go through with the deal just because if you're dealing with the amount of money that you say you are, it's not worth it to get scammed.
February 23, 2018, 12:41:33 PM
Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment
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