Topic: Selling guns on Bitcointalk (Read 364 times)

I gave you several examples not just about knife, but knife is universal tool and you need it for cutting everything, meat, bread, tomatoes, butter, rope.
In China they already started banning regular kitchen knifes (I am serious), so I guess western countries must follow this crazy trend of banning everything.
They think it's better to take away every possible self-defense tools and make them all illegal... I wonder why is that hmmm...

Bitcointalk forum doesn't have very active trading section and I think it would be stupid to sell guns, medicines and stuff like that here, but whatever.
My point was that even trading Bitcoin is considered illegal in some countries, yet it is allowed here.
You start banning one thing and soon it comes another, and another, and another  

Here there may be a translation issue: drug means also medicine, not only narcotic.

That's the reason for giving them only under prescription: they are addictive.
So I agree, it's illegal to sell them on the forum, since they're sold without prescription.


I think that the mods and also the vigilance of the people reporting posts is somewhat overrated. Such old posts/topics can easily go under the radar.
And now, since this is from 2012, it can even be considered part of the history  
I mean, please report it, but don't be shocked if it won't be removed. Some details (eg e-mail address) should be edited out though so potential buyers cannot get in touch with the seller anymore (if it's the case).


Weed and knives are a grey area, some are very strict in that area, some not. And imho they're much different than the much better example of prescription medicine.


And I'll get to your (actually good!) original question and the answer is similar to the prescription medicine: since the buyer will most probable not show an USA ID nor a permit for guns, we can safely consider this kind of deals illegal, hence report them.

I don't know if I am missing something.


Those are old threads.

Have you found any threads today that sell illegal stuff? I understand according to the rule that if you find such threads and report them, the mods will act. I don't know about those old threads. Maybe the rule was not yet implemented in 2013 (one thread is from 2013, another written in 2014).

And I don't know about knives but I would say it is legal to sell them in many countries, certainly easier to acquire legally than benzodiazepines.

There is something ironic in your speeches. Did I mention drugs? Nope, it's you.

It's interesting to read you consider benzodiazepines as a drug. Then, why don't you tell your government to take care of all these millions of junkies in your country? Perhaps you have already used it yourself (no problem with that if you needed it). If so, it doesn't seem to have bothered you to be 'on drugs'.

But let's continue with your logic
CBD (weed without tetrahydrocannabinol) is banned in some countries so it should not be sold on the forum (and with logic, any discussion related to something illegal)
Why didn't you report the topics in which you participated on this subject?  

Let's continue: because @dkbit98 posted something fair enough
A kitchen knife seller will not be able to make sales on the forum, because a knife is a weapon. (again, according to your logic)
Explain to me how you cut meat at home. Oh, I know. Ready-made food bought at the supermarket. 2 minutes in the micro-waves and Voilà!  

edit to add a few links
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10529703
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/original-kyrgyz-knife-symbol-of-osh-auction-5178499
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-original-swat-limited-edition-knife-5231611
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-csgo-knife-skins-for-btc-or-case-keys-escrow-welcome-898027
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-silver-antique-knife-bedouin-ceremonial-shibriya-333647

Hey hey
Are you going to tell me suddenly that a knife is not a weapon? It looks like a double standard to me

Because it can be bought on the dark web doesn't mean it's illegal and doesn't mean you can't find the item on the clearnet

Either it's allowed or it isn't and it's a matter of a loophole with the (unofficial) rules and this needs to be clarified
But according to the rule I quoted in the original post (or later), it can be a gun, a knife, or what you call a drug, if it's allowed in both countries (buyer & sellers) it's allowed in the forum


The date doesn't matter
I just wanted to reply to @ETFBitcoin and used google and copy-pasted the first link to show him a concrete example
I'm not going to scrape the forum


I don't remember reading this topic but that would mean it's allowed (or it wasn't reported and so moderated)
As I said, it's allowed in thousands of countries but there are conditions (license, etc) The seller can't be responsible if the buyer fulfills the conditions, nor what he is going to do with it, otherwise all the gun shops would have already closed their doors

I am just trying to understand how the situation will look like if it's to escalate. It could be that the government of the said country will blacklist bitcointalk.org and then allege that weapons are sold in the forum and supplied to sponsor a certain war happening in the country.

The dark stories of bitcoin is much already, we wouldn't want any addition or suspicion to it, especially in this bitcoin forum.

Meanwhile, I have searched the childboard but didn't see the thread Op refered to, maybe it is trashed.

One day some regulators could also make Bitcoin illegal, it is already illegal in some parts of the world, and not so long ago gold was illegal in America.
You can buy a knife to cut bread or kill someone, you can buy a gun for self defense or you can kill someone with it, and you can use bitcoin for this.
Similar thing could be said for medications, I know some cases when licensed doctors and pharmacist killed their patients, and this is one of the top cases of deaths in US.
I wouldn't use Bitcointalk forum for stuff like this, but common sense is needed when talking about this.

Hey, that's only what I've seen in movies.  I've never been there and certainly have never purchased drugs from that country, but to anyone who might know I would pose the question: aren't Mexican pharmacies notorious for selling lots of medications over the counter which in the US and most other countries would require a prescription?

Oh, about the guns, it came to mind that I seem to recall there was a member (BayAreaCoins or TheButterZone, perhaps?) who was selling a firearm that he had, but only to someone licensed to own it.  I get those two members confused for some reason, and I don't have a reference link--this was well over a year ago that I think I saw the post/thread, and it could be that I'm imagining it.

My point is that a sale like that would be completely legal, but I'm not sure what Theymos would think about it.  It's not as if it would be equivalent to a darkweb sale.

That thread is from 2011. I am not sure if forum rules even existed back in 2011. Do you have anything more recent?
Why hasn't the thread been deleted yet? I do not know. I am guessing it is because no one has reported it to the moderators yet.

I am very grateful because this forum does not allow the trade in weapons and drugs to be carried out freely even though in some countries it is legal because in the majority of countries in the world it is illegal.
theymos and the moderators of this forum are very good at keeping this forum clean, so governments in many countries will not ban this forum, unlike some sites on the darknet that trade weapons and drugs, that sites are monitored by the police and also banned in the majority of countries.

Most drugs are prohibited everywhere so you won't see users trading those on Bitcointalk (on the clearnet for that matter).

I imagine the situation is similar with most weapons, but guns will get a bit of leeway here - most people buying and selling guns live in the USA,. I can't imagine how you would transport such a thing overseas without alarming customs.

I can probably think that certain people or groups can trade drugs or weapons through bitcointalk, it's not done in public but through PM or something. Obviously if you refer to the rules, trading like this is prohibited because someone will not bother buying weapons through bitcointalk if the use of weapons in their country is legal. This implies that, either the buyer or the seller or both are in a restricted area for the unauthorized use of weapons, so I guess transactions like this are prohibited on forum.

Of course. I think civilians can own guns in Indonesian jurisdiction, but that requires very strict permits and supervision. Even if it's softguns, we can't have them without the police's permission.

In most African countries, only ex-military men are allowed to have at least one unregistered gun at home for self-defense, there are no stores selling arms to civilians like in America and Europe, most gun trade is done illegally, and in most cases, the seller is used as a test point. If you live in one of the countries where civilians can own guns, I'd like to know what the requirements are.


I'm sure those trades take place on local boards rather than the market board.

Ofcourse, you should know that peddlers and drugers ain't an exception- most especially- when it comes to the % difference on people surviving without hard drugs -- in a community like this or In a COUNTY as well --

In very many countries like Mexico and Russia (Asian protectorate) and so on.... they'd legalized the intake of 'weed', marijuana etc. These is based on some climatic quandary during the winter. I'm not sure wether taking hard drugs as per .... diazepam, codeine etc are legal though but, I know that these drugs are sometimes diagnosed for some certain ailments.
I don't think that these preference has anything to do with bitcoin and I'm uncertain or, rather perplexed about why it Should be allowed here In the first place?!

Maybe we should all make good use of the report button on our screens as suggested?
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The Marketplace section contains products/services that doesn't concern Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies, but yet it's still allowed. So yea, guns and illegal drugs aren't allowed precisely because they're not legal.



I'm guessing probably because rules/regulations differ from state to state and from country to country; and probably the fact that Bitcointalk's marketplace is unregulated.

Nowhere I'm talking of freedom of speech :/

Of course, the prescription is not required. They are not pharmacists. Who would believe it....
(Even some pharmacists can't sell all the benzos because it requires a certain diploma)

I'm not saying the mods shall crawl the forum all day to find something to moderate but just asking if it's because nobody reported or...

I didn't report it because firstly it was something I found accidentally while looking for the keyword "Canada drugs" (for another purpose).
And also because I didn't know if it's something allowed and seeing the rules don't say something about it I thought it might be allowed and if so, why not ask if it's the same with guns


  Mexico. Trully? We really live in a crazy world but I should already know that


There are P2P marketplaces where you can buy legally. And they're fine, so why a marketplace section in a forum couldn't?


I don't really have a problem giving/receiving personal information to someone I trust enough. I did it already and more than 1 time.
How do you think we do on the forum to sell some goods to each other

It's allowed in most countries. it's just that there are conditions.
How do you eat meat? You buy it at the supermarket. I hunt in the forest at night.
Do you play football as a sport? I practice shooting sports

Americans buy that everywhere like you buy hamburgers at Mac Donald.

And finally, referring to
"1. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden"

it's allowed in The US, and it's allowed in my country, so according to the rules it's fine


a random one found in a few seconds
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/valium-xanax-testosterone-viagra-clenbuterol-no-prescription-no-rx-24196

p.s. I haven't read the topic to be honest

I agree with you. But any forum does not run on the thoughts or opinion of its members. It runs based on the forum rules that the forum owner decides.

Even if it is legal, selling guns or drugs will never be allowed. This is a Bitcoin forum. Not darknet market

You would have to try first and see if the mods let it fly. I highly doubt it would be allowed to stay up as it's illegal in many places around the world to buy fire arms OTC and you will need to provide lots of personal information, which many don't share here on he forum.

Reporting to moderators would get their attention faster and make it easier for it to be trashed.

Mexico, probably.  By the way, this isn't the first time anyone was trying to sell benzos here.  There was some user from a couple of years back (or multiple ones, I can't remember) shilling some site out of Asia that shipped a very potent, very short-acting one, and IIRC he was doing it in the trading discussion section by marketing it as a nootropic.

But oddly enough, what he was shilling is legal in the US, probably because the FDA hasn't banned it yet.

Yep.  But the mods have done a damn good job over the years of nuking threads in which people tried to sell all sorts of illegal things, like stolen credit cards, fake ID docs, and probably tons of other crap.  Those threads never lasted long.

Probably not a great idea. If gun selling (or illegal drugs) become a bit too rampant here in this forum, safe to assume that the authorities would be all over Theymos' ass.

It is legal to sell that in most countries, if not all of them. The point is they have to be sold by prescription, which I doubt is required in these threads.

Why don't you post links? Those threads break the rules and you will make it easier for the mods to find them to trash them.

I had a look in the goods section but I didn't see those threads.

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.


Because they are busy, and the threads are not so easy to find, I guess?

To my surprise, I found thread(s) with people selling Al pra zo lam, Dia ze  pam and others bizarre stuff.
(spaces added for the search engines)

I understand the concept of "scams aren't moderated" but I think there is a limit.

And now coming to my question:
if you persist with this concept of freedom in which it is up to the user to be aware of what they are doing, so users can create threads about the sale of weapons. especially since it is allowed in many countries.

So, can I sell: or buy guns on the forum?
Americans have some beautiful toys, a lot better than the ak47 rust coming from URSS

note:
1. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden

in which country it is legal to sell dia..ze..pam and c.?
Was it just topic(s) that haven't been noticed by the mods?