Topic: Send the Illegals Back, Americans First! (Read 1764 times)

I'm hoping to find some illegals who look like me. I can lease them my ID for work, and they can then live with me and pay a meager 25% tithe for house, board, and the identity lease. The IRS might get suspicious if I'm working 5 jobs at the same hours, though.

I wonder, though, why businesses don't just move plants to central America around safe communities and attract workers to these areas to meet their job demand and our demand for cheap, effective labor. Just change "Made in America" to "Packaged in America" (and many already do) -- most people probably won't even notice so long as it has that stupid American flag icon. What prevents, say, Honduras from becoming the most productive (per capita) nation in the Americas simply by nearly eliminating taxes and regulations so businesses move in? -- Uh, ignoring hurricanes for the time being...

Clearly you do not live in America or recognize of the political gift system works in America.  Once you're in the country you're considered American by some.  Once you're American you're entitled to everything all other Americans are ENTITLED to.....uh oh, I said the E word.

The immigrants will save the American economy, not many people will acknowledge this potential. We need to make a special exemption to the minimum wage for 'illegal immigrants', other wise known as persons without proper documentation, and tweek some other requirements and this big fear about immigration will become a blessing in disguise, economically.

How do you think developing countries grow so quick? Cheap labor is key.

Yes. Not sure why people need to feel sorry for the losing side when they were doing the exact same thing to other.

I would take in families from other countries and send back the racists.   

Native Americans went to war with other tribes and killed each other just like every other society. They certainly weren't any more "Savages" than the White Man but I wouldn't say they were better or worse either. They were typical humans with less technology.

No. Rent is not property tax. Rent is rent.


But many of them do pay personal income tax. I haven't looked it up in a while, but the last time I looked it up, it was a couple million people who had filed with an ITIN. As I understand it, however, the IRS has imposed some restrictions on ITIN filings within the last year or so that would likely disincentivize undocumented workers from filing a tax return. It would be interesting to see if ITIN filings have dropped despite immigration numbers going up.

Not to mention the menial jobs which illegals do. If you get rid of illegals, look forward to prices on everything skyrocketing. You also don't mention the taxes which they pay (property tax in the form of rent and sales tax on purchases).

Also, being illegal, they don't receive any benefits, such as unemployment or medicare. Tell me where these "billions spent on illegals" are being spent?

In most states illegal immigrants can't receive Snap Benefits, however in my state over $500 million is paid yearly in welfare benefits to those that are here illegally, in a state that is already, billions in debt.

Those that come here illegally, often have children, who are US born, and then the parents receive benefits on their behalf. In this case the illegal immigrants receive full benefits based on the size of their family.

Your only focus seems to be on welfare benefits here though, how much money do you think it costs this nation to provide schooling and medical care for illegal immigrants?

I don't think that dying or getting your legs amputated by IEDs qualify as benefits.  Wouldn't it be nice if we spent that money on education instead so that those poor people had a third option besides joining the marines or working at walmart?

‘Our Neighbor Isn’t Doing Its Part’
The president of Honduras on why the United States and its drug habit are to blame for the violence and kid immigrants fleeing Central America.


More...http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/honduras-president-hernandez-interview-109400.html#.U9QP5_ldV8l
So in part, the failure of the drug war has plenty to do with this immigration wave. And, it's the cartels that are the transporters and god knows what else they did to these children along the way.

More than 200 illegal immigrant children housed (AKA dumped) in Indiana


More...http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2014/07/25/illegal-immigrant-children-housed-indiana/13170961/

I doubt the US economy would collapse. WIth a smaller supply of workers, labor costs would likely rise, however unemployment, and the number of people marginally unemployed is high enough so that wages would not need to rise a lot.

Nice documentary.

Have to say I won't take this kind of job either.

shh, they are all republicans here. probably just looking for things to be angry about.. fucking obama!

The US economy would collapse almost overnight without illigal workers doing jobs nobody else would take. In fact VICE just released a short documentary on this exact topic a few days ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUdozfL7iM

I have a hard time understanding how you could be so ignorant of fundamental things happening right in your own back yard.

Wow, what an ignorant perspective!

You think Native Americans were savages? Living off the land, killing what they need to eat, enjoying this world. If you think they were savages words must not exist for what we are today.

Today our highest organizations kill people for the most frivolous of reasons without even standing face to face with honor in front of those they dare to battle.

I hope you don't have any kids, your attitude doesn't need to be passed on, it isn't productive to anyone.

From a culture of immigrants to a culture of invaders XD
Then and now its the same only this time the immigrants are entering the USA's native lands and do not have weapons to back them ^^.
Although it is true for a nation that is supposedly wealthy many of its citizenry are not.

Anyways the problem isn't welfare per se its the way spending is used
Most going to prescription medicines and how doctors are paid by referrals more or less the real problem is the lack of money spent into preventative health care and reducing the burden of these expensive diseases like cancer diabetes and the sort instead of trying to delay their onset as long as possible.

Agreed! How safe are the people of Israel and Palestine tonight?

You're right that these statements don't make you racist, they make you ethnocentric.

(And technically the people you're referring to, those coming over illegally in volumes are Americans. All of the land From Canada to Patagonia is "America" - North, Central, and South. We're all American...)

There's an error in your first sentence. We haven't welcomed people from all over the world, we are people from all over the world. Your ancestors (likely) came here on a boat or a plane or by foot.

If you want to fix the over population of our country, call it over population don't blame immigration. Without immigration you wouldn't be here.

And any solution needs to start with re-prioritizing Washington.

warfare protects everyone in the country from external threats, and tends to benefit the lower class the most as most people in the lower ranks of the military are from less wealthy families and they will receive additional pay during times of war (hazard pay, ect).

This is another reason why we should cut all kinds of entitlement programs in the US

yeah, this is how i feel too. warfare is basically welfare for the wealthy who have businesses related to international security, construction, and oil producers.

and like others have said, warfare and secret CIA operations lead to fucked up countries where people don't feel safe (look at honduras).

Stop giving out free candy and these neighbor kids on your lawn will go away on their own.

It is hard to really get upset at people, especially children, looking for a better life.  In many ways this shows how the U.S. is still one of the better countries in the world.

However, you can't have both free immigration and a welfare state. 

The current US situation is a toughie no matter how you come at it.  As much as I'd like to say just send them all home that seems unfairly harsh to the children.  At the same time, one of the few things that makes the US stable is some confidence in the rule of law, but it is hard to support that when you have so many living there illegally.

It used to be that a man would immigrate to a country and had enough money on hand to be able to get by for about a week until he could find a job. He was screened coming in for disease and then would go to the local section of town where similar ethnicities would converge. He would then work his ass off for many years and only then would he be able to bring his wife and kids over from the mother country. Sadly, this isn't the case in recent times which is driving the sentiments about immigrants as a whole. Lately, by and large most of these people are coming here for promised amnesty which isn't law and using public entitlements which is additional negative PR in a stagnant and declining country where the average person isn't thriving.

Man I just spat beer into my keyboard while reading that  

When I read the thread title I thought OP meant "send the Americans back first", ie send the original immigrants back!!

On topic, I'm not sure what I think about immigration anymore. I firmly disagree with illegal and legal immigrants claiming benefits/welfare, however in my experience (in the UK) all the immigrants I've met (Poles/Chinese/Indian/Pakistani/Bulgarian etc) have a very strong work ethic. It's the native British which seem to claim benefits and turn down jobs because they'd rather not work.

I've heard the argument of "immigrants come over here, live together with 10 people in 1 house, and send all their money home, so they make no contribution to the economy!"

I'm not sure it's a valid argument, because we are all free to live like that if we want, but most British people want a family, an expensive car and a mortgage.

I suppose I don't agree with illegal immigration per se, but then I don't agree with the UK immigration laws - I think there should be free labour, but no benefits/welfare for immigrants (apart from extreme circumstances, like if someone got run over through no fault of their own and couldn't work). Basically, if you're willing to pay your own way, then you should be allowed to work wherever the hell you want.

EDIT: I also think that the "immigration card" is being played far too much - I agree that illegal immigrants can be a drain on society, however I think that the state of the economy in general is much more of a problem, due to crony capitalism, tax evasion, financial monopolies, defense budgets etc.

the disproportinate levels of violent crime committed by dark skinned immigrants and their decendents are seen in europe as well as usa, look up stats for london or any european city that has lots of non europeans living in it if you dont believe me

Undocumented workers can't receive SNAP benefits unless they have stolen a SOC number. Less than 5% of snap benefits are used by non citizens. ~1% of snap benefits are traded and or are fraud related. Abuse is a myth.

You are delusional and out of touch with reality. There is no point trying to talk to people like you.

It isn't. Widespread abuse is a myth, especially for SNAP.

sorry but i can't go next to this one: "we live in peace and harmony with one another, different races and different cultures" , well this is just clear bullshit here. Go ahead and check stats and compare EU and USA on the crime, on the ''harmony'' index, peace and all other stuff and you will see that USA is not peacefull and full of harmony. There are fucking ghetos killing you for beeing white or black, there are folks killing you on the street for having different religion, don't bullshit here about harmony and peace, do you follow news? where in the world does teenager kill 20+ other kids from neigbourhood ? That's just reallity and sorry for serving it on the plate.

People "bitch" about welfare in cases when it's being abused, which is quite often. The government has admitted to known widespread abuse of our welfare system that's hard for them to weed out.

There's very few Americans whether right or left, that wouldn't want to help a fellow American when he's down and out and needs help to get back on his feet. You suggesting otherwise shows us how much you are out of touch with general consensus.

The same people who bitch about illegal immigration also bitch about welfare. The idea that what folks like you really want is to help americans out and its illegals sucking up all the resources, which they don't, is bullshit.

yep

Even if we spent less on welfare we'd just spend more on warfare.

1) trillions of dollars in debt

2) millions of Americans living below the poverty line, rely on gov. assistance to survive

3) veterans who fought for our country are dying for lack of care from the government

4) our school system is failing due to lack of funding

... this is not the time for our nation to add more burden to its weight, this is not the time to welcome people who enter in our nation illegally and spend billions of dollars caring for them



going back a five hundred years ago in the USA - the place was teeming with savages and white settlers living in tents and hovels with the USA owning fuck all money !!

your skint forefathers could only dream of a heaven where they could lend trillions of dollars off the chinese to build mansions and schools and have a welfare system

back in the old days of red injuns and savages, people had shitty sanitation and had to shit in a hole in the ground out the back of the house in a freezing wooden box, even the ladies

the fashion trends were really shitty, folk had to dress up like cunts

the US was at constant war with red injuns, or the mexicans, or the brits, or themselves for hundreds of years, with veterans getting fuck all for losing their legs, not like now

schools were shared with makeshift wooden churches like on the "house on the prairie", and ten years were all put in the same class, with the youngest wearing the dunce caps

... only when Irish settlers came to the US and built America up to the modern super power it is today, was when america could afford to lend trillions of dollars to feather its nest right and proper, and live in the lap of luxury, you have never had it so good


now veterans who lose a leg can become millionaires overnight, and drive round in top sports cars and dine at Fajita King or Texas de Brasil whenever they want

You do realise that the majority of the problems you describe are created by constant warfare and currency devaluation right?

We've welcomed people from all over the world, our nation is built on the backs of immigrant workers, we live in peace and harmony with one another, different races and different cultures, we have accepted and embraced them as our own, Americans.

Now our nation is trillions of dollars in debt, with millions of Americans living below the poverty line who rely on government assistance to survive, veterans who fought for our country are dying for lack of care from the government and people they fought to protect, and our school system is failing due to lack of funding, this is not the time for our nation to add more burden to its weight, this is not the time to welcome people who enter in our nation illegally and spend billions of dollars caring for them.

This view does not make me a racist.

I have friends from every race, nor do I care the races of those that enter our country illegally.

I believe in one thing, and that is to do what is right for this nation and its people, and spending billions of dollars, money that we have to borrow to spend, in aid to illegal immigrants is not good for our nation.

Our efforts and financial resources must be focused on improving the lives of our own citizens first, not those who come from other countries, illegally.

Americans First.

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