Send untraceable and anonymous payment

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Quote from: pereos on March 28, 2022, 05:47:57 PM

I need to make an intraceable and anonymous Dash payment.
My idea is to buy XMR in a popular Exchange, then exchange it within Exodus and send payment directly from Exodus
Do you know then if you exchange XMR to Dash with Exodus and if I send the payment directly if it will be totally untraceable and anonymous?
Or do you recommend others steps?

You are not completely anonymous when you choose to transact pseudo anonymous coin and don't forget that XMR is not available on many exchanges. Instead of conversion why don't you try bitcoin via mixture so you can erase the trails.

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Quote from: pereos on March 30, 2022, 05:04:00 AM

if with vpn in this transaction you already are anonymous, then the question should be: Could anybody link me to Krakn if my final dash payment is made from exodus using vpn?

exodus wallet is a newbie friendly, closed source wallet that does not provide the necessary privacy options so even if you use VPN, at one moment or another you will make a mistake and then connect with your IP address.
I also remember exodus have syncing issues when connecting from a certain IPs/VPNs.

Quote from: PrivacyG on March 30, 2022, 05:22:26 AM

Use Tor. Not VPN. Some VPN's collect and sell your data and only very few do not do this. Public WiFi is even worse for your privacy.
What I would do is. Have two computers, one running Tails and one running a Live Linux session with an unused disposable Monero wallet seed through Tor.

As I said above exodus wallet doesn't look like designed for privacy so I think the user will have sync issues, you can read this thread on Reddit.

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Exodus on Tails/ over Tor?
I've managed to install exodus on Tails in the persistent folder, but nothing seems to connect. I also can't sync to mobile as the QR code won't read. Any ideas?

Source --> https://www.reddit.com/r/ExodusWallet/comments/lsz1ob/exodus_on_tails_over_tor/

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Use Tor. Not VPN. Some VPN's collect and sell your data and only very few do not do this. Public WiFi is even worse for your privacy.

What I would do is. Have two computers, one running Tails and one running a Live Linux session with an unused disposable Monero wallet seed through Tor. Get XMR into your Monero wallet. On your Tails computer go to an instant exchange service you can choose from kycnot.me. Preferably use the 'Safest' option in Tor Browser security and use a no JavaScript exchange.

Use this exchange to create a XMR to DASH transfer. DASH receiver should be the address you want the coins to be sent to. Send the XMR and once it is confirmed the recipient will receive the amount of DASH you set from the exchange. Then shut down Tails. Shut down the Linux Live session. Done.

But, disclaimer. Tails is an amnesic Operating System meaning it removes any trace of your actions when shutting down. Linux Live does about the same. This means if you shut them down without backing up the seed or transferring your remaining XMR balance back to another wallet, you will lose your coins because your computer will 'forget' everything you have done on it.

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Quote from: jerry0 on March 29, 2022, 06:25:59 PM

So isnt the ip address going to prevent it from anonymous? But what if you use publc wifi but use a vpn?

What about buying a burner phone and having data on it and using the data as hotspot?

if with vpn in this transaction you already are anonymous, then the question should be: Could anybody link me to Krakn if my final dash payment is made from exodus using vpn?

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So isnt the ip address going to prevent it from anonymous? But what if you use publc wifi but use a vpn?

What about buying a burner phone and having data on it and using the data as hotspot?

pereos

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I have BTC in krakn and I need get dash from here, so;

What route do you recommend me?

i. example:
Krakn btc exchange to xmr > xmr to monero gui > monero gui xmr to xmr exodus > exchange xmr to dash in exodus?? > send payment from exodus

Or what easy mixer do you recommend use considering I need to use the Krakn Btc to make the DASH payment ?

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When you wanted to become fully 100% anonymous, you need to stay away from this:
1. All centralized exchanges no matter what their popularity and the features they offer trading without KYC.
2. All centralized shitcoins (e.g. Dash and other 10.000+ coins)
3. All closed source wallets (e.g. Exodus)

Learn how to trade on Bisq with TOR and using mixer to wipe your trails, it's more cheaper (fees) and anonymous than your schema above.

hugeblack

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You are doing it wrong, and suppose, for example, that you succeeded in conducting this transaction completely hidden, using a closed-source wallet will leave a privacy hole in your plan and therefore you will be tracked because:
All servers that exoudus Wallet runs on are closed source, and therefore your IP addresses may be recorded.
Transactions in Monero cannot be traced, but they know your IP address and the amount of money, so if you transfer it to any wallet in the future, they will match the IP address and value to identify you.

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Quote from: pereos on March 29, 2022, 06:01:55 AM

I mean having a second account of Exodus on the same PC to send XMR to another XMR wallet and then exchange there to Dash, when you have installed exodus you can only connect with an account. This idea is to avoid to be traceable from the exchange where i exchanged BTC in XMR

You leave too many traces creating an account on a centralized exchange, depositing your bitcoin, and withdrawing your monero. Moreover, withdrawal fees that centralized exchanges take from you for their services are usually so high that small payments simply don't work. If your goal is to preserve your privacy, it is always recommended to use less centralized and more privacy-friendly solutions such as direct swaps from bitcoin to monero and back. Take a closer look at this article where you can find links to special software with which it is possible to achieve a very high level of anonymity without having to rely on unnecessary third parties:

https://www.getmonero.org/2021/08/20/atomic-swaps.html

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Quote from: tranthidung on March 28, 2022, 08:21:43 PM

Quote from: pereos on March 28, 2022, 07:16:04 PM

I dont know how get other exodus account (to resend xmr to xmr and get untraceable wallet)

It's a closed source wallet and you can download it from https://www.exodus.com/

I mean having a second account of Exodus on the same PC to send XMR to another XMR wallet and then exchange there to Dash, when you have installed exodus you can only connect with an account. This idea is to avoid to be traceable from the exchange where i exchanged BTC in XMR

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Once a private feature of Dash is enabled, is it even necessary to convert it to monero first? I do not think so though, but converting it to monero first and then to dash back is not bad, you are only using privacy coins to exchange for privacy coins in a way your transactions would be harder to trace.

Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on March 28, 2022, 06:59:44 PM

I don't know how much you want to send, but try using instant exchanges that don't require KYC.

Instant exchanges do not require for KYC but can demand for KYC at any time, if the user do not comply, his coins will remain seized. This means that instant exchanges are centralized.

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Quote from: pereos on March 28, 2022, 05:47:57 PM

I need to make an intraceable and anonymous Dash payment.
My idea is to buy XMR in a popular Exchange, then exchange it within Exodus and send payment directly from Exodus
Do you know then if you exchange XMR to Dash with Exodus and if I send the payment directly if it will be totally untraceable and anonymous?
Or do you recommend others steps?

First of all, you need to take into account that Dash is not anonymous by default; in order to make a private payment, you have to enable a special feature called privatesend. When you use this feature, your transaction goes through some sort of mixing process which allows for hiding the source of funds. However, given that private features are optional and used only by those who want to preserve their privacy, the anonymity set is not as big as it might be. In short, you can't hide in the crowd like in the case of Bitcoin. Your transactions in Dash are therefore very obvious and easily traceable.

Secondly, buying something on a centralized exchange is the worst thing you can do for your privacy. They will collect everything about you and your transactions, including IP addresses, email addresses, your system information, etc. They will know your XMR address and probably even the wallet you used to withdraw your coins. It is also possible that they will look closely at those who are buying Monero and will try to trace those transactions more carefully. If you want privacy and anonymity, avoid centralized exchanges at all costs.

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Quote from: pereos on March 28, 2022, 07:16:04 PM

I dont know how get other exodus account (to resend xmr to xmr and get untraceable wallet)

It's a closed source wallet and you can download it from https://www.exodus.com/

pereos

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I need exchange BTC in XMR from krakn, then send XMR to exodus and exchange within exodus in Dash. So; If i send the Dash payment directly from exodus it will be fully untraceable?
I dont know how get other exodus account (to resend xmr to xmr and get untraceable wallet) and monero gui is garbage with all the "apparent" innocent Trojans..
Do you know about other wallet (not exchange) like exodus accepting XMR ?

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I don't know how much you want to send, but try using instant exchanges that don't require KYC. Like Buy XMR then send to to and instant exchange for a swap to DASH which you can send as a payment.

You can also use some p2p exchanges that support buying DASH for BTC like localcryptos More of them here - https://kycnot.me

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I think you did the right thing.
We already have a guide here created by our admin that you can follow check this thread below it includes CoinJoint.

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-decent-mixing-methods-5146241

Alternatively, you can use a mixer or tumbler like Chipmixer but the problem is it only supports Bitcoin but it's totally untraceable because the last transaction is being stuck at Chipmixer and you will receive a clean BTC that you can able to spend any time.

pereos

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I need to make an intraceable and anonymous Dash payment.
My idea is to buy XMR in a popular Exchange, then exchange it within Exodus and send payment directly from Exodus
Do you know then if you exchange XMR to Dash with Exodus and if I send the payment directly if it will be totally untraceable and anonymous?
Or do you recommend others steps?

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