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Yes that drama surrounding that particular banned member and his known alt-accounts as well as the backing he was given by various members (and a campaign manager) was an eye opener. For example, that banned member used an alt-account posting about other forum members that had alt-accounts therefore was a hypocrite and that was just one issue related to him.

I believe he had other alt-accounts that were not caught out by members. but if it were not for the vigilance of several members (as you pointed out with the link), none of the associated alt-accounts would have been exposed.

My friend The Sceptical Chymist was right when he stated: If you're really looking to catch alt accounts for whatever reason, it's these little quirks of writing that give them away sometimes.

While I do not know how to feel exactly on using this kind of evidence to connect accounts, I cannot argue about how it was been effectively used in the past to catch certain person.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hello-world-welcome-back-again-5416864
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OH! MY! GOD!  On a forum that's used by hundreds of thousands of people a day, three accounts misspelled a word similarly?!?!?

We need to discuss this in at least two threads, maybe three!
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While I do not know how to feel exactly on using this kind of evidence to connect accounts, I cannot argue about how it was been effectively used in the past to catch certain person.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hello-world-welcome-back-again-5416864

Still, I assume that when anyone does this kind of thing they also apply some personal filters at their own discretion, for example, if I also committed such typo in a regular basis, I would probably appear among the alleged alt accounts as well, however it would be up to the OP to consider other things, like the fact I participate in the Spanish board and other patterns.

Anyways, interesting to see people's attention to detail while investigating accounts.
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In light of a post in a different that recently mentioned the way a particular word was misspelt by a few accounts, I am linking the post here:

Whooop!  That was a damn good catch by FatFork--and when I opened this thread I thought it was a new one with an accusation that I'd heard before.  But nope, it was the same one and was also a very good catch.  If you're really looking to catch alt accounts for whatever reason, it's these little quirks of writing that give them away sometimes.
Yes FatFork linked the "idea" with "ideal" and it seems to broadly correlate to some of the names already being mentioned as linked to the martyns farmed account. That was a good catch by him

And now when I think of AI-generated posts and such, I wonder if all that's going to change (or if it's already started).  Frightening prospect, no?
There have been some posts already reported by members that seem to have some sort of AI involved and they have been discussed. It is definitely a frightening prospect as we approach a new frontier in technology, things are only going to get more complicated not only in the forum but of course in every day life as the technology is implemented in our regular day to day lives.
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In light of a post in a different that recently mentioned the way a particular word was misspelt by a few accounts, I am linking the post here:

Whooop!  That was a damn good catch by FatFork--and when I opened this thread I thought it was a new one with an accusation that I'd heard before.  But nope, it was the same one and was also a very good catch.  If you're really looking to catch alt accounts for whatever reason, it's these little quirks of writing that give them away sometimes.

And now when I think of AI-generated posts and such, I wonder if all that's going to change (or if it's already started).  Frightening prospect, no?
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In light of a post in a different that recently mentioned the way a particular word was misspelt by a few accounts, I am linking the post here:

Changed language in history. Bought? Hacked?
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I also received a PM from CryptocurencyKing. And this is probably not his last message. Although, sending unsolicited PMs is also considered a violation. CryptocurencyKing, track your answers to your alternate account question. You have confidently denied your affiliation. Then you said that you gave your wallet to a friend. You now acknowledge that this is your account, after all. But in this case, you violated the bounty conditions and participated with two accounts. I gave examples above. JollyGood left you a tag for lying. Is this unfair? You answered confidently enough that you were an honest person, but the facts show otherwise. Can I continue to believe you? You just have to negotiate with the one who left you the tags. Although I've rarely seen JollyGood change his mind. But there was one recent case, yes. Smiley
You are right and I have to add credit where credit is due...

If there is significant change in any account over a period of time all members could and probably should revise their feedback as long as members are contributing positively to the forum. Posting one thing in the public threads and another thing in PMs really does not help. I will be happy to revisit this in future and I have on several occasions tagged in error then apologised and corrected myself, I have also tagged red and revised to neutral in the past too.

Sorry for being unable to post here sooner but I have many time constraints right now.

Near 1 year later I think we all need to know about one ALT account holder among above users. This is why I am giving updates here.

JollyGood, Your thinking of revising feedback was okay with your own judgement but I don't know how many messages you already got from this user: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptocurencyking-2701506

I got continious DM on my Telegram from this guy and every time he requested to lift the negative feedback from his account. Even he sent multiple messages to my forum account. I don't know who advised him to lift the negative feedback in such aggressive manner. I believe his intention of getting mercy is not genuine and I am not gonna remove my tag from this user. Trust always gain through honest work and contribution, Never through drama or forcefully. 
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Here you say that the Coinprenuer account is not your alt:

I'm just glad your getting to spot some differences between I and the said Coinprenuer. Its never been any alt of mine and I've got no alt.

And here you say that the Coinprenuer account will "never see the light of day."

I am banking on the fact that, the said Coinprenuer account is an account that has been inactive for over a year and some months, an account that is never to see the light of day as all ties with that account has been cut off.

If it's not your alt, how can you be so certain that the Coinprenuer account won't be used again?

I agree with you that you've shown some initiative in building your account over the last year and a half.  Maybe you can convince those who tagged to consider revising their tags to neutral, but if you're being dishonest about your connection the Coinprenuer account, that won't help you in that endeavor.


I hope I did not misspell anything in my post. Did I?  Grin

You nerver agreeed to teh deal, so I haben't bean checkking.
I cannot anything to that and agree with it  Grin


I also received a PM from CryptocurencyKing. And this is probably not his last message. Although, sending unsolicited PMs is also considered a violation. CryptocurencyKing, track your answers to your alternate account question. You have confidently denied your affiliation. Then you said that you gave your wallet to a friend. You now acknowledge that this is your account, after all. But in this case, you violated the bounty conditions and participated with two accounts. I gave examples above. JollyGood left you a tag for lying. Is this unfair? You answered confidently enough that you were an honest person, but the facts show otherwise. Can I continue to believe you? You just have to negotiate with the one who left you the tags. Although I've rarely seen JollyGood change his mind. But there was one recent case, yes. Smiley
You are right and I have to add credit where credit is due...

If there is significant change in any account over a period of time all members could and probably should revise their feedback as long as members are contributing positively to the forum. Posting one thing in the public threads and another thing in PMs really does not help. I will be happy to revisit this in future and I have on several occasions tagged in error then apologised and corrected myself, I have also tagged red and revised to neutral in the past too.

Sorry for being unable to post here sooner but I have many time constraints right now.
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I also received a PM from CryptocurencyKing. And this is probably not his last message. Although, sending unsolicited PMs is also considered a violation. CryptocurencyKing, track your answers to your alternate account question. You have confidently denied your affiliation. Then you said that you gave your wallet to a friend. You now acknowledge that this is your account, after all. But in this case, you violated the bounty conditions and participated with two accounts. I gave examples above. JollyGood left you a tag for lying. Is this unfair? You answered confidently enough that you were an honest person, but the facts show otherwise. Can I continue to believe you? You just have to negotiate with the one who left you the tags. Although I've rarely seen JollyGood change his mind. But there was one recent case, yes. Smiley
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Here you say that the Coinprenuer account is not your alt:

I'm just glad your getting to spot some differences between I and the said Coinprenuer. Its never been any alt of mine and I've got no alt.

And here you say that the Coinprenuer account will "never see the light of day."

I am banking on the fact that, the said Coinprenuer account is an account that has been inactive for over a year and some months, an account that is never to see the light of day as all ties with that account has been cut off.

If it's not your alt, how can you be so certain that the Coinprenuer account won't be used again?

I agree with you that you've shown some initiative in building your account over the last year and a half.  Maybe you can convince those who tagged to consider revising their tags to neutral, but if you're being dishonest about your connection the Coinprenuer account, that won't help you in that endeavor.


I hope I did not misspell anything in my post. Did I?  Grin

You nerver agreeed to teh deal, so I haben't bean checkking.
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I don't stand to deny my affiliation with that account, no, not at all. Like I said here:
Unlike many others, I had a rough start with some serious bounty days.
I had some serious bounty hunting past because, I never knew any better but, my affiliation with the account in question @Coinprenuer ended over a year ago. You can verify that by checking when last the account was active, its been over a year and it is an account that can never come to light. I was a newbie who knew apparently nothing except to bounty hunt as that was what I was taught by the one who introduced me to the forum but, my moment of change came by a comment from mk4 on my very first thread.
(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54745078)
This highlights when I got concerned and really interested in what goes on within the forum. Ever since then, its been just me, Cryptocurencyking playing by the rules, making my contributions and being a concerned forum user.
I am banking on the fact that, the said Coinprenuer account is an account that has been inactive for over a year and some months, an account that is never to see the light of day as all ties with that account has been cut off. That, the negation on my account be reconsidered, that's all I plead!
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I recently got a PM by CryptocurrencyKing asking me to help get his negative trust removed, but of course I told him the truth: I can't do anything for him.  And frankly, I never read into what his neg was all about since I wasn't involved in any of this drama.  After reading this, though, I seriously doubt Coinprenuer isn't his alt account.  I mean, come on--who comes here to participate in bounties and uses someone else's address to get paid?  And it doesn't sound like the supposed two individuals were well acquainted or that there was a level of trust between the two that would make such a situation (wallet sharing) plausible. 

In that particular instance of we having same wallet address, it was of no coincidence. I was ignorant of the fact that it could pose some trouble so, I gave him my wallet address to apply and collect payment in that particular instant due to the fact that, I had mine set-up by the one who introduced us and he was yet to set-up his and that was it.

I'd be very interested to know the details of how the earnings were divvied up between you two, assuming you're telling the truth (which I don't think you are).

Of course I got a neutral tag for it from Marlboroza which I heartily accept. At least, you've got to get some punishment for your miss doings and that was it and it is clearly displaced on my user.
[/quote]If Coinprenuer isn't your alt account, why in the world would you "heartily accept" any feedback linking you to that account?  That just doesn't ring true to me.
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Our proud friend has a violation of the bounty program rules. That is the participation of alternative accounts in one bounty of the company.
It is difficult to call it an accident. And he surprisingly escaped the negative tag. Both wallet addresses belong to him, and the account's telegram contacts.
Therefore, the statement that he is the only one on the forum is a lie. Although he does not use his account, it is likely from the fact that he was caught by marlboroza earlier.
After having all these information I don't think anyone need to wait little more extra time to get actually what happened. marlboroza have detected his activity long time ago and in result tagged the account but that wasn't the end of drama. Thank you for sharing all these information here which will definitely help others to take individual actions from their side.

I do not believe that excuse. What you said about two (or more) people using the same wallet addresses has been said many times before by others when they get caught out.
Its nothing but another self-made explanation. Huh,,,One account=> Multiple user=> Account Connected

Little more indications here,






@JollyGood, no doubt that you have already spent a good amount of time to find out the connection. Actually it was hard to take the spelling mistake as strong evidence on this case but finally it worked. Keep it up.

Account tagged from my end.



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I do not believe that excuse. What you said about two (or more) people using the same wallet addresses has been said many times before by others when they get caught out.

I am tired of this already but, just to clarify things is the reason I'm yet to sepond to this aligations towards my user. I'm just glad your getting to spot some differences between I and the said Coinprenuer. Its never been any alt of mine and I've got no alt. I can't go back trying to trace all that transpired in my early days of cryptos with regards to my association with the said user Coinprenuer.

For sure I'm familiar with that user and ain't going to be laying any blame on any bot. How does that even happen? Anyway, Coinprenuer was some user that got introduced to crypto alongside myself by the same user. My association with the said user was just that, known newbies though, I was much more enthusiast than him I suppose. In that particular instance of we having same wallet address, it was of no coincidence. I was ignorant of the fact that it could pose some trouble so, I gave him my wallet address to apply and collect payment in that particular instant due to the fact that, I had mine set-up by the one who introduced us and he was yet to set-up his and that was it. When I aged a little on the forum and got really acquinted with the rules, you can't find me making such errors. Of course I got a neutral tag for it from Marlboroza which I heartily accept. At least, you've got to get some punishment for your miss doings and that was it and it is clearly displaced on my user.

Unlike many others, I had a rough start with some serious bounty days. I thought that was all there is as at then until I learnt otherwise. When a user commented 'Goodluck ranking up with all your bounty posts', not sure I recall that comment exactly but, that was it. Then, I knew bounty wasn't getting me anywhere and as such, I had to look out for a fresh start by deleting all my bounty posts and turned a new live. The new me is what you have now.

I am here trying to clarify things because, a good name or my reputation is of importance to me and taking people for their words. Initially it was misspelt name, now its explaining my neutral tag! I'm exhausted already as this already took the whole of my yesterday. I really hope for today not to go down this drain. Other than this, I've got nothing to recount.

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to explain myself, I am and still remain, your one and only Cryptocurencyking.

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I am tired of this already but, just to clarify things is the reason I'm yet to sepond to this aligations towards my user. I'm just glad your getting to spot some differences between I and the said Coinprenuer. Its never been any alt of mine and I've got no alt. I can't go back trying to trace all that transpired in my early days of cryptos with regards to my association with the said user Coinprenuer.

For sure I'm familiar with that user and ain't going to be laying any blame on any bot. How does that even happen? Anyway, Coinprenuer was some user that got introduced to crypto alongside myself by the same user. My association with the said user was just that, known newbies though, I was much more enthusiast than him I suppose. In that particular instance of we having same wallet address, it was of no coincidence. I was ignorant of the fact that it could pose some trouble so, I gave him my wallet address to apply and collect payment in that particular instant due to the fact that, I had mine set-up by the one who introduced us and he was yet to set-up his and that was it. When I aged a little on the forum and got really acquinted with the rules, you can't find me making such errors. Of course I got a neutral tag for it from Marlboroza which I heartily accept. At least, you've got to get some punishment for your miss doings and that was it and it is clearly displaced on my user.

Unlike many others, I had a rough start with some serious bounty days. I thought that was all there is as at then until I learnt otherwise. When a user commented 'Goodluck ranking up with all your bounty posts', not sure I recall that comment exactly but, that was it. Then, I knew bounty wasn't getting me anywhere and as such, I had to look out for a fresh start by deleting all my bounty posts and turned a new live. The new me is what you have now.

I am here trying to clarify things because, a good name or my reputation is of importance to me and taking people for their words. Initially it was misspelt name, now its explaining my neutral tag! I'm exhausted already as this already took the whole of my yesterday. I really hope for today not to go down this drain. Other than this, I've got nothing to recount.

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to explain myself, I am and still remain, your one and only Cryptocurencyking.

Peace
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This link shows your connection to Coinprenuer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56065925

I presume you will claim you are unconnected to that account. I look forward to you explaining why you stated you do not have any alt-accounts but somehow through such and such circumstances you ended up using the same wallet address as another person.


Our proud friend has a violation of the bounty program rules. That is the participation of alternative accounts in one bounty of the company.
It is difficult to call it an accident. And he surprisingly escaped the negative tag. Both wallet addresses belong to him, and the account's telegram contacts.
Therefore, the statement that he is the only one on the forum is a lie. Although he does not use his account, it is likely from the fact that he was caught by marlboroza earlier.

3. One user can participate only with one account. In case that we note any double-registrations, duplicate accounts (except the initial one) will be permanently banned from the campaign.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oF6vA71id2xDp8GTxY7xBMNz67ZpbwVDAzhDeIXtnzo/edit#gid=1187103448

Also, if he refers to the usual copying of his post by some bot, it will not be true, since the wallet data in this table is different. They still belong to CryptocurencyKing
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-another thing that connects all these accounts is that users are Nigerians, based on some of their posts, or being active in Nigerian local thread.

somewhere it is simply mispronounced. i have seen many users write camping instead of a campaign. it's probably pronounced that way with them (I didn't follow where they were from) but I don’t think they are all alts of one person. In my speaking area, it is read exactly as it is written, which can lead to mistypes like this when you write what you hear.
with things like this, I always remember this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EY_uqDyGhw
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I'm not convinced these accounts are linked, but I'm playing devil's advocate here.

Perhaps it's Kevin or Kelvin but then, it makes no serious difference or should be used as a base for suspicion or connection of accounts.
Well, it does make a difference if you don't want to look ignorant and care (and also know something) about what you're writing.  Kevin and Kelvin are two different names, though obviously there's only one letter of difference.  If you're familiar at all with Kevin Durant as a basketball player and have seen his name before, I'm not sure how you'd make that mistake--much less multiple members making the same mistake.

Perhaps I spelt it wrong but, you did knew whom I was referring and that's the point. Why stressing!
You're missing the point by OP entirely.  JollyGood knew exactly who you and the other accounts were talking about.  He's suspicious that such a spelling mistake in addition to other similarities in writing style might be evidence that you're all the same person.  It may not be true, but given how many alt accounts there are abusing bounties and engaging in other crap, you can't blame him for making the connection.
You played the advocate of the devil well, The Pharmysist....

I know you are not convinced the accounts are linked, I might have some doubt too but seriously though is it believable that typing the letter K automatically brings up Kelvin on their keyboard? Or typing K and E brings up Kelvin? How difficult would it be to type KEV? That would eliminate the Kelvin issue altogether.

There is a possibility that I have it wrong, I am keeping an open mind on it and I can accept that and move on if need be.

I hope I did not misspell anything in my post. Did I?  Grin



Thank you for the response, it is appreciated considering you are annoyed and you have expressed your annoyance therefore thank you.
'I have expressed my annoyance and therefore I should thank you', really? Please don't sound this way, it's not so cool to me. More than  anything, you have to accept it fa t that, I'm human, just like you. I suppose for anyone to have been subjected to some false aligations despite his or her effort to clear his or her user, the user would be most likely to flip. I have seen some sarcastic statement in cause of this scrutiny and it wasn't taken to heart. I've got nothing on my mind as well and I hope it's all cool with everyone too.
It was me that thanked you for the reply, I never asked you to thank me, you misread what I wrote or you are deliberately trying to misdirect.

Quote from: JollyGood link=topic=5353281.msg57648767#msg57648767date=1628443966
You mentioned you are not an alt-account, that much is clear but you did not however answer the question directly to the question which was put to you and it is repeated here. I would appreciate a response: And you are categorically stating you do not have any other accounts in this forum either past or present?
I am not an alt neither do I have any other account or alt on the forum. I am and would always remain the original Cryptocurencyking. Thank you.
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This link shows your connection to Coinprenuer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56065925

I presume you will claim you are unconnected to that account. I look forward to you explaining why you stated you do not have any alt-accounts but somehow through such and such circumstances you ended up using the same wallet address as another person.


Not everybody is as clued up on European football as us, JollyGood. A lot of guys here are from the far reaches of the world & probably don’t speak/type English well.
I spell stuff wrong all the time to be fair Cheesy

I can see why you might try & link all those accounts but I don’t think we can start making serious accusations & tagging people etc without proper evidence, like using the same addresses on the blockchain etc.
You always have good intentions JG my friend but maybe there’s nothing to see in this case.

Peace.
Maybe you are right, it is possible there is nothing to see in this case. Thank you for your comments  Smiley

Well, about the "tagging" as far as I can recall I never mentioned anywhere in this thread I would tag any account yet you are the second person to mention it.

I can understand your point about people far away from Europe who do not speak or type English well, I would tend to agree with you it is possible but the written English of the protagonists is to an excellent level. I just do not feel that is happening in this case but I cannot prove it conclusively, ah well.
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Not everybody is as clued up on European football as us, JollyGood. A lot of guys here are from the far reaches of the world & probably don’t speak/type English well.
I spell stuff wrong all the time to be fair Cheesy

I can see why you might try & link all those accounts but I don’t think we can start making serious accusations & tagging people etc without proper evidence, like using the same addresses on the blockchain etc.
You always have good intentions JG my friend but maybe there’s nothing to see in this case.

Peace.
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Thank you for the response, it is appreciated considering you are annoyed and you have expressed your annoyance therefore thank you.
'I have expressed my annoyance and therefore I should thank you', really? Please don't sound this way, it's not so cool to me. More than  anything, you have to accept it fa t that, I'm human, just like you. I suppose for anyone to have been subjected to some false aligations despite his or her effort to clear his or her user, the user would be most likely to flip. I have seen some sarcastic statement in cause of this scrutiny and it wasn't taken to heart. I've got nothing on my mind as well and I hope it's all cool with everyone too.

Quote from: JollyGood link=topic=5353281.msg57648767#msg57648767date=1628443966
You mentioned you are not an alt-account, that much is clear but you did not however answer the question directly to the question which was put to you and it is repeated here. I would appreciate a response: And you are categorically stating you do not have any other accounts in this forum either past or present?
I am not an alt neither do I have any other account or alt on the forum. I am and would always remain the original Cryptocurencyking. Thank you.
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If used an autocorrect and it suggested Diogo Maradona rather than Diego Maradona I literally have no excuses to not ensure it shows correctly when I submit the post.

Roll Eyes

So, the next time you misspell an athletes name, I'll assume your account has been hacked and proceed to red-tag it.  Deal?


The fact that we have a page and half discussing such a tenuous connection is really laughable.  People misspell words all the time.  I think I have a fairly advanced grasp of the English language, and I misspell words, or use the wrong word all together.  Just this morning I noticed that in a post I made after a couple of glasses of wine last night I used the word "reigns" when I meant "reins."  I know the difference, but I made a mistake because I'm human.

Knowing how poorly autocorrect works for native English, I can only imagine the horror for those who aren't native speakers of the language.
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Come on, what's this?

I am greatly shocked to have seen this, seriously!

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Do your investigation with due diligence but, I am nothing like those users neither are we connected in anyway. Thanks for the pm.
You have taken a completely different tone in your posts in this thread whilst in public view in comparison to one you took when you responded to my PM. I am not impressed.


Everyone on the forum is capable of making an error every now and then ~
And you are categorically stating you do not have any other accounts in this forum either past or present?
I can't say I'm not annoyed with the way all this is going and you can understand my annoyance but, I've got to keep my cool. I've not been under this sort of investigation before and I'm sure to be here all the way to clear my user. My annoyance only comes in the fact that, I know my stances on the matter but, I don't know which ever way to prove it as, its just the same claim over again.

I might sound a bit rusty in my recent post but, that's basically based on the way your reading it from your end, especially with the fact that, I brought your user into the picture. I assure you that, I'm not trying to be offensive in anyway and should you have seen things that way, my apologies.

I still stand to object for claims on my user as an alt and would encourage everyone doing some sort of investigation to investigate with due diligence but would find nothing. I'm me and they remain them. Thank you!
Thank you for the response, it is appreciated considering you are annoyed and you have expressed your annoyance therefore thank you.

You mentioned you are not an alt-account, that much is clear but you did not however answer the question directly to the question which was put to you and it is repeated here. I would appreciate a response: And you are categorically stating you do not have any other accounts in this forum either past or present?



We do not have anything conclusive to link these accounts but what is for sure is that no football fan using this forum or any other would misspell iconic players names such as Ronaldo (Portuguese Cristiano or Brazilian el Fenomeno), Maradona, Pele, Cantona, Zidane, Beckham, Henry, Zola, Lampard, Gerrard, Van Basten, Maldini and others including Kevin De Bruyne and blame it on autocorrect or copy and paste. Those are probably seen by the majority as lame excuses trying to get themselves out of a situation they find themselves in.
It's not so uncommon for some names to be misspelt. Good example of that is Laszlo Hanyecz, which many here write as "Lazlo". @jamyr even started the thread about it, asking people to stop writing name of that iconic person from bitcoin history wrong.
You are absolutely right, misspelt names are not uncommon and the example you gave about Laszlo/Lazlo is a good way to articulate your point. Having said that in this particular case it is very difficult to accept that keyboard autocorrect was to blame in two cases. Why did the autocorrect not appear incorrectly throughout their posts? There could be a viable explanation for the two accounts claiming it is fault of the keyboard autocorrect but they seem to be making enough posts with enough character counts to keep on getting paid their signature campaign fee so I am not at all convinced by the explanation given.

Still though, I am open to holding up my hands and saying I got it wrong depending on what reasons are given for the mistakes but I just do not accept the keyboard autocorrect excuse. If used an autocorrect and it suggested Diogo Maradona rather than Diego Maradona I literally have no excuses to not ensure it shows correctly when I submit the post. I know we disagree on that perspective, I cannot prove it conclusively but I think there is a little more going on here with some connected accounts than meets the eye.
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I'm not convinced these accounts are linked, but I'm playing devil's advocate here.

Perhaps it's Kevin or Kelvin but then, it makes no serious difference or should be used as a base for suspicion or connection of accounts.
Kevin and Kelvin are two different names, though obviously there's only one letter of difference.  If you're familiar at all with Kevin Durant as a basketball player and have seen his name before, I'm not sure how you'd make that mistake--much less multiple members making the same mistake.

Perhaps I spelt it wrong but, you did knew whom I was referring and that's the point. Why stressing!
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You've spoken quite well, if i should sound like an African elder (chief). I'm satisfied with what you've said though, this is one tight spot I didn't bargain for or hoped to have come my way which eventually did this day and I so much didn't enjoy. Its a good thing you guys are doing out here in trying to catch the cheater and the scam. I support that a big deal and appreciate the time put in to scrutinies issue but, it was just a name spelt wrong.

I'm not a basketball fan for sure. You could go through my posts and you won't find a basketball thread post so, the name Kevin Durant as you guys have it here doesn't ring a bell to me. And yeah, you can be sure I'm watching my keys now for 'Kevin'.
I am a football fan, though not addicted and I do okay.
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I'm not convinced these accounts are linked, but I'm playing devil's advocate here.

Perhaps it's Kevin or Kelvin but then, it makes no serious difference or should be used as a base for suspicion or connection of accounts.
Well, it does make a difference if you don't want to look ignorant and care (and also know something) about what you're writing.  Kevin and Kelvin are two different names, though obviously there's only one letter of difference.  If you're familiar at all with Kevin Durant as a basketball player and have seen his name before, I'm not sure how you'd make that mistake--much less multiple members making the same mistake.

Perhaps I spelt it wrong but, you did knew whom I was referring and that's the point. Why stressing!
You're missing the point by OP entirely.  JollyGood knew exactly who you and the other accounts were talking about.  He's suspicious that such a spelling mistake in addition to other similarities in writing style might be evidence that you're all the same person.  It may not be true, but given how many alt accounts there are abusing bounties and engaging in other crap, you can't blame him for making the connection.
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We do not have anything conclusive to link these accounts but what is for sure is that no football fan using this forum or any other would misspell iconic players names such as Ronaldo (Portuguese Cristiano or Brazilian el Fenomeno), Maradona, Pele, Cantona, Zidane, Beckham, Henry, Zola, Lampard, Gerrard, Van Basten, Maldini and others including Kevin De Bruyne and blame it on autocorrect or copy and paste. Those are probably seen by the majority as lame excuses trying to get themselves out of a situation they find themselves in.
It's not so uncommon for some names to be misspelt. Good example of that is Laszlo Hanyecz, which many here write as "Lazlo". @jamyr even started the thread about it, asking people to stop writing name of that iconic person from bitcoin history wrong.


If I were to reply to a post where the name of a player was misspelt I would make sure it was correct when I replied and I am sure others would just as can be seen by many subsequent posts where Kevin was mentioned as Kelvin. Since when do members need to copy and paste a reply? The rest of us usually click on the 'Quote' button and type and why would I then need to type the misspelt name myself?
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There are examples when someone writes "Lazlo" and the other person replying to that post makes the same mistake even though he probably knows that the correct name is "Laszlo". So I guess it all depends on the person.


Your case would be stronger if for example they regularly exchange merit among themselves, which from what I could see is not the case here. Forum does have very capable investigators so if there is something to be found here they probably will, and if it turns out that you were right and that one person is behind all those accounts, he did helluva job.

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Come on, what's this?

I am greatly shocked to have seen this, seriously!

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Do your investigation with due diligence but, I am nothing like those users neither are we connected in anyway. Thanks for the pm.
You have taken a completely different tone in your posts in this thread whilst in public view in comparison to one you took when you responded to my PM. I am not impressed.


Everyone on the forum is capable of making an error every now and then ~
And you are categorically stating you do not have any other accounts in this forum either past or present?
I can't say I'm not annoyed with the way all this is going and you can understand my annoyance but, I've got to keep my cool. I've not been under this sort of investigation before and I'm sure to be here all the way to clear my user. My annoyance only comes in the fact that, I know my stances on the matter but, I don't know which ever way to prove it as, its just the same claim over again.

I might sound a bit rusty in my recent post but, that's basically based on the way your reading it from your end, especially with the fact that, I brought your user into the picture. I assure you that, I'm not trying to be offensive in anyway and should you have seen things that way, my apologies.

I still stand to object for claims on my user as an alt and would encourage everyone doing some sort of investigation to investigate with due diligence but would find nothing. I'm me and they remain them. Thank you!
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Come on, what's this?

I am greatly shocked to have seen this, seriously!

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Do your investigation with due diligence but, I am nothing like those users neither are we connected in anyway. Thanks for the pm.
You have taken a completely different tone in your posts in this thread whilst in public view in comparison to one you took when you responded to my PM. I am not impressed.


Everyone on the forum is capable of making an error every now and then ~
And you are categorically stating you do not have any other accounts in this forum either past or present?
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By the way, the account https://bpip.org/Profile?id=23095 was recently blocked, and another of his alt is also blocked
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=219801, consonant nickname with
CryptocurencyKing, isn't it?
I agree with Rikafip with all my hands, as I carefully looked at the style of their publication, but this or this person is cunning, and I think he has long since deleted all matches on social networks or wallet numbers.
I just don't get you on this one. It's nothing really, nothing. I'm sure to have come across a few users with similar users and still, it doesn't mean they are the same person. Let's take the user Laudanum for example, does consonant make the user same as Lauda? Or again, should you see a user with the user Lovesjunefamilis or Luvsmayfamilis does that make the user same as Lovesmayfamilis ?
Whats the whole back and forth thing n trying to make a link between myself and all these other guys. Comparing us as a distinct pair and as a single individual even when the claims isn't binding!

Everyone on the forum is capable of making an error every now and then. That some other person makes the same mistakes like you doesn't make you them. It's a fine job you guys are doing here, trying to get a logical conclusion on your claims but in this particular instance, I'm 100% sure your wrong!
You have a valid point, it is not time consuming to deactivate or even ignore the incorrect spelling option and just type the correct word/name.
What helps in one instance can also create some problems in others. Why must I deactivate because of some few spellings only to activate later?
Mind you, the autocorrect feature isn't just used for correction on words but it also helps for easy and fast typing. There is virtually zero point to this. You state the fact being autocorrect @JollyGood  and then you try to obliterate it and make it seem as though that isn't it. Don't do that, its wrong!
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You have a valid point, it is not time consuming to deactivate or even ignore the incorrect spelling option and just type the correct word/name.

As for the incorrect autocorrect being used because a member is used to using incorrect words/names even though they know they are incorrect, there does not seem to be too much of an issue with incorrect autocorrect with other words - Kevin/Kelvin seems to an issue.

I would like the other two accounts mentioned in the OP to share their views on this matter, it would make interesting reading.

Nice theory, Lol!

I don't know any of the users above but you're entitled to your opinion... If the spelling "Kevin" as "Kelvin" is your only basis of connection, then I don't know what could have been more ridiculous... JSYK I only spell it has Kelvin for two reasons, I'm never used to spelling "Kevin" perhaps due to my origin, and "Kevin" would always be autocorrected in my keyboard.
If it gets autocorrected then why not turn off your autocorrect or at the least delete the autocorrect suggestion to type the appropriate name, I do this and it's not that time consuming so I don't get why you're too lazy to do that.
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what is for sure is that no football fan using this forum or any other would misspell iconic players names such as Ronaldo (Portuguese Cristiano or Brazilian el Fenomeno), Maradona, Pele, Cantona, Zidane, Beckham, Henry, Zola, Lampard, Gerrard, Van Basten, Maldini and others including Kevin De Bruyne and blame it on autocorrect or copy and paste. Those are probably seen by the majority as lame excuses trying to get themselves out of a situation they find themselves in.

I strongly disagree with you on this, of all the iconic names listed above, you only included De Bruyne's full name... There are certain names that always different, I'm not so sure if you're anymore involved or interested in football or NBA than I am, but what I've come to learn is that especially with first names of British or English origin, there is always difference and you occasionally find the wrong ones even in big articles, we all might know De Boer, Ribery, Muller and Lampard, Kessie... Some are "Franck" and some are "Frank", some are Gerrard, some are Gerard... You might want to even check these kind of names to even see how many users have made this same mistakes.

EDIT: I most definitely wouldn't have misspelt their common in these cases, but I'm not sure I would have been consistent in writing their first names, it doesn't mean I'm in any manner less interested these sports or just posting to get any so called signature "Quota".

You might even want to check here in the forum for the popular: Vieri, Pavon, Tello, Eriksen and Romero, all of who are either "Christian or Cristian" for consistency.
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We do not have anything conclusive to link these accounts but what is for sure is that no football fan using this forum or any other would misspell iconic players names such as Ronaldo (Portuguese Cristiano or Brazilian el Fenomeno), Maradona, Pele, Cantona, Zidane, Beckham, Henry, Zola, Lampard, Gerrard, Van Basten, Maldini and others including Kevin De Bruyne and blame it on autocorrect or copy and paste. Those are probably seen by the majority as lame excuses trying to get themselves out of a situation they find themselves in.

If I were to reply to a post where the name of a player was misspelt I would make sure it was correct when I replied and I am sure others would just as can be seen by many subsequent posts where Kevin was mentioned as Kelvin. Since when do members need to copy and paste a reply? The rest of us usually click on the 'Quote' button and type and why would I then need to type the misspelt name myself?

Maybe you are right, maybe these accounts are not operated by one person. Maybe you are wrong and they are part of a FOMA style group of accounts operated by one person.


I agree with Rikafip with all my hands, as I carefully looked at the style of their publication, but this or this person is cunning, and I think he has long since deleted all matches on social networks or wallet numbers.

Or maybe there's no connection at all?

It's common for people on the gambling threads to mindlessly copy words that other posters are writing without using a spell checker (usually to meet sig campaign quota). With this logic, you can pencil-draw a connection with most posters there with each other.
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Nice theory, Lol!

I don't know any of the users above but you're entitled to your opinion... If the spelling "Kevin" as "Kelvin" is your only basis of connection, then I don't know what could have been more ridiculous... JSYK I only spell it has Kelvin for two reasons, I'm never used to spelling "Kevin" perhaps due to my origin, and "Kevin" would always be autocorrected in my keyboard.
If it gets autocorrected then why not turn off your autocorrect or at the least delete the autocorrect suggestion to type the appropriate name, I do this and it's not that time consuming so I don't get why you're too lazy to do that.
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I agree with Rikafip with all my hands, as I carefully looked at the style of their publication, but this or this person is cunning, and I think he has long since deleted all matches on social networks or wallet numbers.

Or maybe there's no connection at all?

It's common for people on the gambling threads to mindlessly copy words that other posters are writing without using a spell checker (usually to meet sig campaign quota). With this logic, you can pencil-draw a connection with most posters there with each other.

Where you see what I wrote, there is definitely a connection. But in the meantime, one of the specified OP, caught by me, had an alternative account. And if you look closely, his second account is also blocked, and he also wrote beautifully on the topic of gambling. Why, after I have found a connection, should I not doubt the rest?
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I agree with Rikafip with all my hands, as I carefully looked at the style of their publication, but this or this person is cunning, and I think he has long since deleted all matches on social networks or wallet numbers.

Or maybe there's no connection at all?

It's common for people on the gambling threads to mindlessly copy words that other posters are writing without using a spell checker (usually to meet sig campaign quota). With this logic, you can pencil-draw a connection with most posters there with each other.
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OP, I don't think you should count on these accounts to tell you the truth. If they are really alternative accounts, then there is no benefit for them to admit it. By the way, the account https://bpip.org/Profile?id=23095 was recently blocked, and another of his alt is also blocked
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=219801, consonant nickname with
CryptocurencyKing, isn't it?
I agree with Rikafip with all my hands, as I carefully looked at the style of their publication, but this or this person is cunning, and I think he has long since deleted all matches on social networks or wallet numbers.
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I'll be blunt and say I don't see why it matters. By itself, it isn't even anecdotal evidence for a solid account connection.
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Without really judging either way as to whether these accounts are connected (as much chance either way that they are or aren't imo), here's is a little data for you. This is based on a bit of "rough statistics". Searches for "Kevin De Bruyne" bring up 12.6 million results on google, whereas "Kelvin De Bruyne" brings up 75,600. That means 0.6% of individuals referencing Kevin are likely to spell his first name wrong (1 in every 166). Probably a bit less given the number of people actually named Kelvin De Bruyne however.

Given there are 5 users who have mispelt his name, if there are 830 users who have mentioned Kevin on this forum, then this would be the "rough estimate" of the number of users you'd expect to misspell his name. If someone can find out the number of users who have referenced this player on this forum, then it might lead to a better indication of the likelihood of these accounts being connected. It's worth looking into for sure, but far from conclusion it seems.

Ironically the third google hit I find is from ChannelsTV, who managed to misspell his name in a photo caption, even if correctly in the article  Tongue
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In my case, It's not coincidental but completely stereotypical... If I were to have written about the famous comedian, It would have been "Kelvin" Hart, because I just checked to confirm if I would have been wrong about that as well.

It's weird to see that all users mentioned are from the same country, but that probably explains the basis of the mistake. The name is "Kelvin" in this part of the world.
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Come on, what's this?

I am greatly shocked to have seen this, seriously! Perhaps it's Kevin or Kelvin but then, it makes no serious difference or should be used as a base for suspicion or connection of accounts. I for one, I just punch the keys and most times, my autocorrect do the damn thing.

I'm sure your quite aware of the switches that occurs when your autocorrect thinks you've misspelled a word and just goes ahead to make the switch if you don't go ahead to tap on the suggestions. It happens everytime and should I give it a second look to tapping on the likely similar spellings!!! Perhaps I spelt it wrong but, you did knew whom I was referring and that's the point. Why stressing!

Just briefly looking at their posting style, few observations:

-gabbie2010  tends to write very long sentences, rarely using full stop, not leaving spacing.
-when quoting, CryptocurencyKingm Mistafreeze and BlackVireuse are not making any spacing before they wrote an answer (I am doing the same thing for example)
-Harkorede is using punctuation marks and does make spacing when quoting
-another thing that connects all these accounts is that users are Nigerians, based on some of their posts, or being active in Nigerian local thread.
I am a proud Nigerian like no other and I'm open about it, thank you! When you brought up these guys, a few of them are familiar forum users but not as Nigerians to me. I had to look them up on there posting styles and from observation, You can tell that,

Harkorede is a complete gambling discussion poster.
Gabbie2010 and Mistafreeze are a lot flexible on the boards they frequent but not in the Nigeria Local Board, All board discussion welcomed. {No Official Language}, at least the first 5 pages of there last post doesn't reflect any post from them on that board on like me. I am a frequent user of that board and my Nigerian pighin, is always never far behind. I share a common goal at heart along with other Nigerians in the forum that, Nigerians can be seen as straight forward and genuine people and we hope that one day, our local board would be pinned.
Reading replies on your thread has made you @JollyGood obsessed at certain things like wrong spelling on a word or name as the case is now but, its not so thrilling for a pointy finger.

Do your investigation with due diligence but, I am nothing like those users neither are we connected in anyway. Thanks for the pm.
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I did not contact the newbie account but sent a PM to the two members that have not posted in this thread requesting their input.

You are on to something when you mention little things that give away multiple account operators and like you I also am prepared to accept if I am wrong because these things can happen. What can also happen is because of a lack of conclusive proof (which is a matter of opinion in some circumstances), it allows multiple account operators to flourish in the forum.

One of the common explanations for users defence is the "autocorrect" function on the keyboard. Well, if you type the word correct one or twice then it should always show up as an option. Like others I am keeping an open mind on this allowing the protagonists to post their comments, hopefully they will respond soon.



OP, you might be on to something here (good eyes, by the way).  Did you PM all of the members in question so that they could respond?  I see one of them did with an explanation that I have no way of verifying personally.  Maybe someone in a country where "Kevin" autocorrects to "Kelvin" can chime in.  I guess it's plausible that this could be true, but who knows.

Back when I used to dedicate a lot of time trying to catch alt accounts posting in the same thread and/or trying to cheat bounties I used to find little things like this that would give them away as being connected.  I think most of the time I was right, but be prepared to be wrong from time to time if you keep at this (and I'm certainly not discouraging you from doing so).

I'll be watching this thread.
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The following members have mentioned him as "Kelvin" instead of "Kevin". These accounts are making the same error that football fans should not be making:

There is actually one more account that did the same thing.


If he decides to go to Manchester City he will have to compete with Sterling, Mahrez, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, Silva, Rodri, Zinchenko and Gundogan for a midfield position.
Zinchenko is a left full-back, Fernandinho plays at the backline he was converted from DM to CB last season where he performed so well, Sterling, Mahrez and Silva are wingers and Grealish would have no business on the wing, Rodri is no better than Grealish so this leaves the midfield wide open for Grealish, Kelvin and Gundogan to operate so I don't see any challenge for Grealish if the deal went through.


Just briefly looking at their posting style, few observations:

-gabbie2010  tends to write very long sentences, rarely using full stop, not leaving spacing.
-when quoting, CryptocurencyKingm Mistafreeze and BlackVireuse are not making any spacing before they wrote an answer (I am doing the same thing for example)
-Harkorede is using punctuation marks and does make spacing when quoting
-another thing that connects all these accounts is that users are Nigerians, based on some of their posts, or being active in Nigerian local thread.


Another interesting thing is that @Harkorede is misspelling the name of another famous person, Kevin Durant, on several ocassions.

Great call! But it wasn't never an easy one!

Finally the Bucks are heading for the eastern finals, but you've gotta give Kelvin Durant some huge credit, man's a freaking legend. He literally had too much to do, and the last air ball from the Nets could easily be attributed to fatigue, just as one of the commentators said.




Dunno, all this is still kinda flimsy to connect these accounts and it would be good to get more evidence before jumping to conclusion, like connection via adresses or use of the same social media accounts.
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It might be a co-incidence, or they just copy/pasting content - post concept, or might be the name of the guy. Positive thinking  Wink
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 I watched EPL matches every week including Man City games DE BRUYNE was bodly written on his jersey while commentators do pronounce his full name during commentaries however I have a friend who bear "Kelvin" equally during  my high school days in chemistry and physics lessons I knew that " Kelvin" is a scientist whose name was one of the units of Temperature, I assumed that there could not be other name that bears "Kelvin" until now when I googled searched the full name of the player after reading your post, in view of that I have no link or connection with those users.
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OP, you might be on to something here (good eyes, by the way).  Did you PM all of the members in question so that they could respond?  I see one of them did with an explanation that I have no way of verifying personally.  Maybe someone in a country where "Kevin" autocorrects to "Kelvin" can chime in.  I guess it's plausible that this could be true, but who knows.

Back when I used to dedicate a lot of time trying to catch alt accounts posting in the same thread and/or trying to cheat bounties I used to find little things like this that would give them away as being connected.  I think most of the time I was right, but be prepared to be wrong from time to time if you keep at this (and I'm certainly not discouraging you from doing so).

I'll be watching this thread.
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Well I read your explanation and will not be making a comment right now. I look forward to what the others say, I am sure they will feel the need to post here too then I will make a comment.

Nice theory, Lol!

I don't know any of the users above but you're entitled to your opinion... If the spelling "Kevin" as "Kelvin" is your only basis of connection, then I don't know what could have been more ridiculous... JSYK I only spell it has Kelvin for two reasons, I'm never used to spelling "Kevin" perhaps due to my origin, and "Kevin" would always be autocorrected in my keyboard.
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Nice theory, Lol!

I don't know any of the users above but you're entitled to your opinion... If the spelling "Kevin" as "Kelvin" is your only basis of connection, then I don't know what could have been more ridiculous... JSYK I only spell it has Kelvin for two reasons, I'm never used to spelling "Kevin" perhaps due to my origin, and "Kevin" would always be autocorrected in my keyboard.
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(edit: I changed the title of the thread to give the benefit of the doubt that these account not be connected but let us see how things unfold in this thread and note an edit *)

For those of you who know about football in general or the English Premier League specifically, you know who Kevin De Bruyne is.

For those that do not know about him, he is a footballer who plays for Manchester City and he also plays for Belgium on an international level.







The following members have mentioned him as "Kelvin" instead of "Kevin". These accounts are making the same error that football fans should not be making:


(newbie account) Theroyal-Ball: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/theroyal-ball-3300240

(OWNR) Mistafreeze: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mistafreeze-23095

(ROOBET) Harkorede: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/harkorede-2160117

(DUELBITS) gabbie2010: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gabbie2010-949294

(DUELBITS) CryptocurencyKing: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptocurencyking-2701506


It seems the Theroyal-Ball account was created a few months ago with a view to use as part of a batch. No newbie would create an account in a crypto forum, let it sit idle for a few months then make one post about football of all things then hibernate.

To me it seems a simple case of having multiple accounts to join signature campaigns, I think the accounts are operated by one person and he should post here to explain his side of the story or to use each individual account to post here to defend the allegations. * Either way, it will be interesting to read what they write to explain the misspelling.

I'm hardly sure that's the team Pep would be looking to play the EPL with. It's hardly it because, the team I saw today was a team lacking a lot of quality. No Kelvin De Bruyne, No Gabriel Jesus, Raheem Sterling and a few other first team players. This was a sustained match for me, a game meant to test out players and how well they could go on a trophy and they pretty much failed.

Are there those that really took the Leicester City team on a bet to win against Manchester City other than merely predicting it. You ought to be proud of yourselves if you did that. This is what underestimation could do to you. Pep needs to watch out for this in the EPL that is forth coming.


That is football for you the day you expected your favorite team to win will lose, it is a  pity Portugal the defending champion couldn't make it to the next stage it obvious they tried their best to win the match Belgium on the hand continue with the pursuit of winning their first major trophy, they will face tougher oppositions in their subsequent matches especially playing against italy with a likely injured Kelvin De Bruyne out this will be big huddle to cross and a challenge for the Martinez side going by the Italian performances so far in the championship.


Kante >>>>> Kelvin

Kante had just 2 days to train for the champions league final after suffering from a hamstring a week before the game and yet he was over the pitch playing from the attack to the defence, won the MOTM 4 times in a row in the champions league. Kelvin was already in Kante's pocket in the midfield before he got the injury and was taken off... Kante don't disappear in big games unlike kelvin.


West Ham vs Man City would kick in about 30 minutes, the lineup having been released. It's quite a very strong lineup from Man City with a front trio of Mahrez, Aguero and Sterling, if all things works this could be a rout, even with Kelvin De Bruyne on the bench.


well,I still think city does not need any other attacker,because they already have Gabriel Jesus who is a complete finisher delivering on daily basis for city. Giving Gabriel Jesus regular playing time will boost his confidence in front of goals.He already has the likes of Mahrez,Kelvin,and Sterling to provide him the goalscoring chances that he needs.
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