Topic: Several users trying to cheat Coinomat signature campaign (Read 2941 times)

Nice catch you got there. I agree with everything you have said. People like that shouldn't be trusted and should be excluded from every signature campaign if you ask me.

What the hell are you talking about? I haven't noticed any other users trying to cheat the coinomat campaign, just the ones mentioned in the op. There have been plenty of people making poor posts and this is exacerbated when they realise the op isn't keeping an eye on them, but I report them to coinomat and admins if appropriate and they're usually dealt with, but they're not scamming just spamming. Regardless of that, you need to stop trying to divert or pass blame on to others. This thread is about the accounts in the op that were caught abusing the campaign in a specific way in an attempt to get paid for posts they shouldn't have.


Stunna left several negatives for people trying to cheat his campaign and other members have left negative when users have been caught trying to cheat giveaways or promotions etc because it's dishonest. Sometimes users do get banned as well. Lots are banned for copying and pasting posts from either the forum or the net. This is both spam and scam because they're attempting to get paid for posts they aren't really making.


Having multiple accounts on signature campaigns isn't against the forum rules and I don't care whether someone has 100 accounts on the same campaign making 100 posts a day just as long as they're not spam. It wouldn't be a scam because they're not fraudulently taking money away, but you tried to game the system without putting the effort in (or minimal effort).


The fact that the spam wasn't visible isn't the point, it's that you hid it in an attempt to game and cheat the system. And if you're not banned then you can continue to use the forum and we'll see if your behaviour changes.


You can consider it whatever you want but it's a scam in mine and others eyes whether you want to admit it or not. You tried to cheat money from a campaign that you hadn't rightfully earned. You're only apologetic because you've been caught and your accounts are now ruined because of your greed and laziness and you've realised it wasn't worth the amount you took and figure it'll be better to return the amount that you defrauded rather than destroy accounts that are likely worth a couple of bitcoins not to mention the further money you can earn from them.

coinomat answered on twitter, so they're aware https://twitter.com/coinomat/status/610340765320019968

sadly, coinomat is not super active here on forum and just believe their bot and not checking posts at all. I just hope, that those suckers pointed by OP will be removed from their sig. campaign..

To be perfectly clear here, you did not break any forum rules. To scam is not against the rules.


No. Selfish greedy spammers[1] like you are the reason signature campaigns and their tolerance are a constant discussion here. Dont tell me you did not know you did something wrong. You went out of your way to hide the symbols. If your mindset is that you are doing something legit and perfectly fine, why hide your actions?


Scam is when you agree to a deal and one party gets payment for a service or good they do not deliver. Your deal was to post 75 char posts and while it was probably not stated explicitly you knew that these 75 chars should not be useless junk. You got payment for something you did not deliver. You maliciously modified your posts in order to get paid while you should have not. You were aware of this otherwise you would not have hidden the symbols. If you think others are worse, feel free to speak up and act accordingly, but others and their scams are not the topic of this thread.


[1] Considering that you purposely padded your posts in order to get paid for them makes me wonder whether the payment was the sole purpose for the post. Spam is indeed a bannable offense.

I'm not Malin Keshar, lithium or catena5260. If you look at my posts you'll see that the majority of my giveaways claims are not  made in the same time as the claims of the other users, even if some have been for coincidence. I bought this account few weeks ago, and it already came with 90% of posts made to claim giveaways.

I just saw some extra characters in someone's post when I quoted him, and since looked like nothing happened to him and I thought that no forum rules have been broke, I did the same.

I'll return all my payments too, and will remove my signature before I get payment. And I already removed all the small things from my posts. And of course will never do it again.

Sorry for everything, I don't it it would cause so many troubles.

Please everyone accept my apologies, if you think I deserve

Its not signature abuse, its scam, you are tricking the campaign manager or the bot in this case to believe you made +75 character words to get paid, thats scamming, you are taking money from him fraudulently.

You got caught cheating thats the point and if you want to get your neg trust to be removed try contacting the users who gave you..


WTF, people should try to cheat the cloudthink.io signature campaigns and not the ones that are trying to make a legit living and contributing to the bitcoin community..

Hilariousandco said "more people are abusing the campaign", but he only said my name in public. You can't say if I reported users abusing the campaign or not because the reports are not public, but the fact is hilarious don't say publicly other's peoples names, so I think there is a double standard(and as you said my word means nothing). Hilarious doesn't even notified me about this thread, giving me no chance of defense. He should open a thread about the coinomat signature abuse in general if

I don't see users banned for signature spam receiving negative trust from  for being "signature scammers" from BadBear, or signature managers giving negative trust to users saying: "this user spammed quotes in the stake your bitcoin address thread and we needed to make posts in the thread doesn't count for the payout". If a user is caught using multiple accounts in a signature campaign where multiple account is not allowed he only get his payment denied and gets banned from the signature campaign, but won't receive negative trust and won't be called signature scammer without even taking in consideration the whole picture, like you and others are doing, and they usually don't give back what they received before being caught/banned or whatever.
 And in my opinions their behavior is much worse than mine because what they do is visible, while what I did is not visible. And most of the users that are punished after being caught change their behavior and don't abuse the forum.

And I'm not denying what I did, I'm only trying to bring the whole picture to the topic. You can't judge someone by a single act he or she made, and it is what I'm trying to show.

I consider what I did signature campaign abuse, but not signature campaign scam. Scam is when some campaign manager don't pay the users, or when someone receive more by mistake and refuse to return the difference, and even to true scammers another chance is given if they repair what they did.

Mistakes? Those are not mistakes, you did it on purpose to scam coinomat, of course you should have negative trust because you are a scammer and not happy doing it with 1 account you do it with more. If you believe someone else is abusing the campaign, report it, dont just say it here, your word means nothing. You are a signature scammer, how can you even deny that? Are you dellusional?

I received another negative feedback from favdesu:


I remember that Candystripes made 70+ spam posts with some account he got for a loan default(pierre something, I think). He would be banned, but he deleted all the spam posts and avoided the ban.

I removed all the extra small characters from my messages, or deleted them, except the ones made where I can't edit them.


As I said, I'm ok with receiving no payment and I'm willing to give back everything I've received. Can't say about others. I'm waiting for some statement from Coinomat to know what to do.

Even if I'm not banned from campaign I won't remain with them, as I promised. I don't remove the signature right now because I made the compromise to wear it for 1 week.


What special characters? I don't have an english keyboard, and if you type alt gr + some letter you will get special characters. And I already said why my posts couldn't be made by a bot, but you just ignored it

Please be more cautious and give more substantial evidence before accusing people of things that would make them being perma-banned


Again forgive me for my mistakes, they won't happen again

Well, you are the expert of dropping unsubstantiated allegations, so [ fill in a pointlesss but witty retort to Quickseller's trolling here ] Who knows really?  The main point is that hillarious caught them at it.  Which was pretty cool of him, imo.

Well you are the expert of using bots to cheat various companies, so if you say so then you must be right.

I just found it unlikely that someone would smash their keyboard and special characters would be output

Actually, the fact that they're using random characters probably means it isn't a bot.  Think about it, people need to generate junk and they just smash on the keyboards.  If you have a script and you need to generate junk, why not just use some random words in a dictionary or something.

Anyway, the fact that they're using the same strategy does seem to indicate that it's the same person doing it.

Nice job, hillariousanco, for finding it!  Good catch!

I already told coinomat yesterday.

I already posted a link to to this topic in coinomat signature campaign thread. and based on the link that tidus1097 posted (above you), it seems he is already aware of it.
and those users got a -ve rating from hilariousandco so maybe they won't get paid

good find hilariousandco, appriciated.
you should notify the signature campaign manager about this so he can ban those users from their campaign.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11617003

I'll let you interpret this however.

Yes, I did it and I'm willing to return the money and face the consequences. I would never try to deny it.

But I'm being accused of ONLY doing it, and by using 4 accounts to do it, and by one of the most trusted members here, hilarioussandco.



Yes, you can ask the admins about same IP's or computers. And if you have evidence of others accounts that you think belong to me you may ask me, I will confirm or deny and you can leave them neg trust too if they are mine.

And, as I said, it is not an absurd that others might have perceived it before and copied me or had the same idea without my help.

And I'm not trying to deny what I did.

It is pretty self-evident. It's very likely they are yours and I very much doubt they belong to others who you don't know. It's more than just a coincidence that you're on the same campaign, and often post one after the other, and then there's the fact you were cheating the campaigns in exactly the same way. If I ask an admin to check are you trying to tell me they wont find any other evidence linking you to other alts (which I  believe you have others than the ones mentioned here)? You're not using the same IPs or computers etc? Regardless of that, it still doesn't take away from you on your two accounts cheating the campaign.

1ANfsdJuKeE1VmMFpoQqyLqDZef6hU4VVn only has 2 transaction, one going in, other going out. 1 transaction without blockchain connection would not be claimed as proof by any serious investigator.

And the last out transaction happened less than 24 hours after the coinomat payment, so it is natural that some transactions happens close to each other. I bet that if you use the same criteria with all the 100+ accounts that are part of the coinomat signature, you would find many users that are not the same person with out transactions close to each other.

And of course you ignore the transactions that are far away from each other.

You seem to be missing the point. You are scamming Coinomat by padding your short posts with random characters. How about addressing that.

time to save-quote

https://archive.is/k4WmK

My life is not even close of being only claiming giveaways.

My game and round count with this account: 49
My post count with this account: 1708 posts

And (lithium) has 32 game and rounds posts, from 281 he ever made.

I can't let it pass because you are s highly trusted member here and your opinions have much value in the administration's eyes, and you are trying to give the impression I'm only here to post in giveaways threads and do insubstantial posts, what is a lie. Even while in the  coinomat campaign, the majority of my posts haven't been made in game and rounds threads and with no aid of small extra characters.

And you haven't even asked if all the accounts are mine and just say that they all belong to me as if it is self-evident and beyond all questions, without showing any definitive proof. Many users have posts made more or less closely than from others member without them being alts of each others, because they life in the same time region or just by coincidence.

That's arguable. When your only existence here is to largely claim giveaways (and cheat them) it's spam in my eyes but I'm not going to get into a discussion about what is and isn't spam and whether you are banned or not is up to the admins.


This is irrelevant, still doesn't make it ok to cheat them by padding your character count.


On this account, but the others are worse but the numbers are besides the point.


Not interested in soccer? You should read my posts more, but again, irrelevant and this isn't about me but you.


And I said I would take that into consideration but I'm not promising anything. You still tried to cheat and would have continued to do so had you not been caught.

MalinKeshar is an alt of me.

And Vod used to remove their preventive negative trusts about people asking for loans after some time. One might say that the only reason they haven't scammed is because they get caught even before they could do something

Well the only reason why you are returning the money is because you were caught. Are all of these accounts yours? Do you have any others?

But, is it fair if you joining a giveaway with more than 1 account?

Giveaways claims are not spam. Or half of the forum should be banned, including the members that create giveaway threads. If they were spam per se, the forum would have already banned all kings of giveaways, like they did with altcoin giveaways. It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.
(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least. I think a neutral feedback would be more suitable, that way everyone would know about what I did, including signature campaign managers. Even users that scammed for many BTC or defaulted big loans got their trust back to neutral when they repaired the damage they did.
(but of course my opinion is biased)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11614681
I will not report it decreases my prediction accuracy as he is a trusted member.

I think his point is that his bot makes it too easy to scam the site that is buying member's signature space.

I think this is a good example as to why counting posts should not be automated

That isn't relevant to this thread. Report the posts if you feel they're breaking the rules. Double/triple posts would normally be removed if they should/could be made in just one.

Marcotheminer himself making more than one post where one post is sufficient.
I saw he got 3 loan request when he saw those three requests he quoted each request and Sorry denied,
Denied, sorry but denied.
Awesome guy made a signature bot to scam bit-x.

Yes. They're cheating money out from a signature campaign which is dishonest.


Spamming. Half of the posts are just crap in the giveaways threads and the others aren't up to much.

Pasting gibberish (even in an unreadable font) would constitute spam.

What forum rule are they breaking?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

This seems clever. But yes its cheating the campaign.


There doesn't have to be a bot for it. They could just randomly type things at the end and get to the word count required. This way they don't have to drag on to their normal text.


Having multiple accounts is not the problem. Even if they are alts it shouldn't matter . All accounts have got the negative trust from hilariousandco .

Take a look at this
I just investigated these 3 address from each user
https://blockchain.info/address/1ANfsdJuKeE1VmMFpoQqyLqDZef6hU4VVn
https://blockchain.info/address/1A2Qw4Y5P2ddxqnQ84pjJNnHJBpvb9ySXD
https://blockchain.info/address/15Q5Y8HjAqdxHvCA6gNXi8TtUt1UbrY1FT

Every transaction that come to the wallet (which is I belive from Signature Campaign), will be directly send to another unknown address.
And every sent transaction always have adjacent intervals
So, It means that this 3 users controlled by a same person.

thanks for pointing it out, OP. forwarded this thread to coinomat!

I'll look into if coinomat has added rules to their sig bot.

I don't even know there is bot for this kind of thing
Using a bot is a very bad thing, because the others trying hard to make constructive posts. But this person do it with cheating

Poor accounts, trying to cheat to get some bucks and now their accounts is worthless

They're probably just copying and pasting the extra stuff to be honest.

The fact that they are using random characters makes me believe it is a bot. They clearly are trying to post quickly in order to increase their post count so in theory they would just type random buttons on their keyboard to have their posts meet the 75 character minimum, however some of the small characters would require a certain keyboard command in order to be displayed.

They obviously are the same person. Think there's another that belongs to them but on a different campaign so no need to add the extra junk.

additional information:
Coinomat.com (he manages his own campaign) promised that the bot will work properly by tomorrow, so we probably won't see any of that next week
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by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

If it is not a bot, they must be alts of the same person.

It seems that the "bot" to count posts is not so good after all. I wonder if these posts are being made by a bot

Maybe this is an inside job

Just wanted to reference this here so I can link to it.

The following four accounts are all adding invisible junk to their posts in what I'm assuming is an attempt to get around the 75 character minimum character count of the Coinomat campaign thus cheating it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/catena5260-140741 catena5260
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lithium-359284 (Lithium)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/svein-337394 svein
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/malin-keshar-255797 Malin Keshar





Quote them and you get this:


They're doing it on all the posts that obviously won't meet the minimum.