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Quote from: Happiest on April 13, 2018, 11:24:24 AM

It seems to me that the recent price are being upheld by steadfast holders. Thousands of cryptocurrency enthusiasts have given up because they weren't seeing the money and prices they were expecting. And I think that is why the price seems to stick with the rate of $6k. They really need to understand that cryptcurrency is not a get rich quick investment. In cryptos, high patience is needed if you want to get the best price.

holders are people who stay away from the market (exchanges to be exact) and because of that they have no significant effect on prices!

to put simply in the market there are two forces, sellers and buyers. if one is stronger price moves in that direction and if they are at a balance price stays stable. so in other words the reason for price to be here is because there were buyers in the market that kept it up and not enough sellers to drop it any lower.... holders don't come in anywhere!

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They werent very enthusiastic if they gave up just because the price fell. Especially when factors like the end of a tax year is apparent, thats a real lousy time to sell. I think the people who dumped either had no choice or really werent that interested in crypto overall only in the price token speculation. I mean thats fine because people can buy for whatever reason they like but also leverage and other flaky reasons is why they dump out so fast, real weak hands. It matters because a market will always try to take easy money in this way. People talk of whales but its just natural action in any market not attributable to one type of participant as the cause

On the flip side its a positive also because a true market acts exactly like this, double checking solid or loose areas of the market. Going straight up is a sure sign of fake action really, people like it but also a good market will not move just one direction like that. now people want to say the market can only go down, but thats wrong for the same reason really. Shorters got forced out recently, sadly this matches the smallest investors stepping back perhaps. Shorts will of course try to step back in etc.

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It seems to me that the recent price are being upheld by steadfast holders. Thousands of cryptocurrency enthusiasts have given up because they weren't seeing the money and prices they were expecting. And I think that is why the price seems to stick with the rate of $6k. They really need to understand that cryptcurrency is not a get rich quick investment. In cryptos, high patience is needed if you want to get the best price.

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Thats quite a bullish sign as the smallest investors are the participants most easily thrown off in a market turbulence. A normal business has 6 years to spread their gains and losses across and discount all kinds of costs and probably gain access to cheaper finance. Your average person cannot write off losses and is purely trying to grab an up move which being engaged in a full time job elsewhere.

Capitulation can be a bullish sign, the weakest hands give up their positions which means the price represents those willing to hold. Speculators then add to the price and it takes off again from there. Not sure it is that way but many markets swing up and down like this

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The crypto market is deprived of new money and goes hugely volatile market cycle. In such a time, it is always advisable to go short term trading. The markets which are in initial and building phase are always preferred for short term trading. Crypto market is still amateur and new for traders to go long term in it. Short term trading thus seems profitable and is preferred. The marketcap needs to cross at least $1 Trillion threshold to make long term investors interested in it. With this volatility, short term trading will dominate.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

I don't see the short term crypto currency trader as the cause of the market dump in price because the short term is long existing type of trading. Although, the short term trading play it role in the market but the FUD, the regulators and the huge bitcoin which the Mt. Gox converted was the reason behind the dumped in price of the crypto market.

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Quote from: ahmadakbari on April 09, 2018, 06:33:47 AM

Short-term traders are always in the market. It's not something new. Those trades are in stock market too. I don't believe they destroy the market. They were also trading when the price were reaching 19000 in the last months of 2017. They always trade, Sometimes they make money and sometimes they lose. Short-term investors and long-term investors both can earn money.

I agree with you. Traders have never had a big impact on the price. They only have a price and market sentiment indicator. Long-term holdings significantly reduce liquidity on the market. They have a major impact on the price of bitcoin. It seems to me that this year a lot of holdings sold their coins because they do not have a large number of Fiat. Perhaps this beginning of the year will now be a trend.

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Destroy what are we destroying if we are making money why should we think of others there is no place for people who are fools or take time to react if you want you can also play along with short term income and who can assure that bitcoin will continue to progress like it is doing right now it's better to make how much every profit you can in short term rather than waiting for the price to rise in the future

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Yes there are short term investors in the market who don’t hold the coin for long long and tends to sell it soon. Doing this they can earn profit sometimes, but sometimes they have to incure huge loss. These investors don’t actually dump or destroy the cryptomarket but increases the inconsistency of the market.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

There will always be short-term speculators whose aim is to increase their dollar balances not their bitcoin balances. The benefit of these people is that they bring liquidity to the market. Imagine a world without short-term speculators - you wouldn't be able to buy anything as you would have to hunt high and low for a long term investor who was ready to sell.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

Its not specifically those that invested in the short term market are those crashing the price of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency, anything can affect the market. The price correction, a FUD, or probably even dumps from some people panicking because of the reds. And moreover, bitcoin is known for it instability. Whenever the price goes down, use the opportunity to stock up.

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Short term investors doesn't have the intention to destroy the market but rather they do short trades for faster profits. They are not always in fucos on short term trades, they also do long term trades. It just depends on the coin they bought in the market.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

So if you decided to sell then you wanna destroy everything by just taking a short term profit? What's happening with the help of whales they are also riding their boat in able to sell for a while. And when the price resulted to drop, chance is for everyone.
Whether you're a long term or short term investor, you have to take that chance of buying at low.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

A big player maybe doing that right now but I know this is just a shorter effect.
The market will go up again, as I can see its an uptrend already, my TA might be wrong but I'm really hoping for something good this month of April.

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Quote from: aardvark15 on April 10, 2018, 05:34:56 PM

Also, if they sell for a short term profit, it gives potential long term investors a chance to buy.

Long term hodlers don't mind to buy at levels that are considered to be high or low. They just buy. If you think logically, then 10-20% higher or lower doesn't matter when you think about the long term targets.

What people consider to be very high right now, is insanely cheap one year later. That's why I am happy to mainly be a hodler and not an active trader. It saves me time and plenty of stress monitoring the market constantly.

I do occasionally trade, but that's more buy low sell high with longer time gaps than most of the more active traders. I have tons of patience to wait out various market circumstances and act when the time is right.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

Short term investors are normally buying and selling, so I don’t think they will destroy the market. They mostly will buy low and sell high and pick the opportunities for quick profits. This has some benefits in that it increases trading volume. Also, if they sell for a short term profit, it gives potential long term investors a chance to buy.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

They are free to take profits if they are only short term investors. We can't blame them as everyone is free to do their own strategy and profit from it. I'm agree at them since all of us wanted to have profits whether it's for short term or long term. But I'm sure that these short term investors are also looking for long term, they have fund for long term and they have fund for short term.

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Don't blame short term traders, they are just doing what they want. Market is not destroyed because of them, so don't put all the blame to them. I am a long term trader but I do not see any reason for this. I can say that it is not the reason why market is falling.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

There are many people who use short-term methods to make money, sometimes I make short-term investments because sometimes I'm too depressed to wait for the price of the altcoin increase. You should not blame short-term investors

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I agree this very well. What happens many of the investors are here for short term profits hence the investors lobby is a combination of high and low value investors who are pumping their funds for both long term and short term.Still the market creates a win win situation for both as both long and short term traders win and everybody have their own targets .I still feel short term investors enter the market many more times and reap more profits.This is only my opinion.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

No! Maybe that's the strategy to make the bitcoins stay in put in crypto! Even this token is the #1 crypto currency if no one can play the dump and pump I think it will destroy it self. So we should to those who are playing the value of bitcoins in the market even if always dump.

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There currently is not a strong demand for BTC - daily volume. The price will continue to go down. The trick is to buy it at a low and hope like hell the EU and USA have positive regulation news

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All investors has unlike of ideas and strategies, there are investors are holding their crypto assets on a long term, but there are also fan of selling immediately their stocks when crypto price grows. In this business, we are free to used different strategy and techniques on how to earn bitcoin as long as it is good for the total operation of cryptocurrency business.

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it is like it always is, short term people thinking they are getting rich, and miss out on the big riches in the end becuse they are so trigger happy all the time, and just thinking about the short term, how many stories have you heard in your life when people missed out being super rich just becuse they just thought about short term riches.

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Short-term investors he trades by taking or making a profit quickly and I think that's pretty good for chart movements, or market movements.

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There is no issue to use a short term especialy in many traders in cryptocurrency until now. They used ther knowledge in crypto to earn a good profits in short term, and i think there is no impact in market to used that methods.

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That was quite unexpected the drop to the low of the channel. There is a big chance this big drop could have some follow up through. Currently, the price a little bit stabilizing, let us see how is the BItcoin goes from it.

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Quote from: sam__bog on April 09, 2018, 06:27:14 AM

It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

Let day traders trade if they want to. We should not put hate to them as their job - day trading is hard and really stressful as you can find yourself asking if you've made the right decision over and over again. Day traders exits with other markets, it's not just crypto. They don't want to destroy opportunity for themselves nor for others. They are just trying to make money faster by trading with the difference in price. You should be okay with them, let them do their thing.

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Quote from: brickafterbrickwalldpt on April 09, 2018, 06:38:27 AM

I agree with you. Bitcoin was a little bit above $7100 dollars when it started to decline again. Sell walls were enormous.

whales obviously dont want it to go up just yet.

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There are a lot of people who play or trade in the short term, but I think that's better because that's actually the use of bitcoin for transactions is not just holding back

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I agree with you. Bitcoin was a little bit above $7100 dollars when it started to decline again. Sell walls were enormous. What a shame that people won't let Bitcoin increase. It's been already a long time since it was quite expensive. I understand that short traders would like to earn even more money but they have had a chance to do it.

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True there are people who inevested for the short term and might be getting their money and getting out now that they have met their targets.

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i only trade altcoins in short term not bitcoin because i do not honestly see any potential for altcoins in long term but i see it in bitcoin.

and that in my opinion is not destroying anything since you can't destroy something that is already ruined. let the altcoins first grow to have some real usages and live up to the promise they give in their advertisements then i rethink my strategy.

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Short-term traders are always in the market. It's not something new. Those trades are in stock market too. I don't believe they destroy the market. They were also trading when the price were reaching 19000 in the last months of 2017. They always trade, Sometimes they make money and sometimes they lose. Short-term investors and long-term investors both can earn money.

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It's the the reason why the market keeps instability. Many people play in a short term. Do they wanna destroy everything by thinking just about short term income..

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