Topic: Should Europe repay Africa for Slavery (Read 507 times)

I dont think so. Why do they have to pay for something that their ancestor have done? It is not fair for them to pay for something that happen before they were even born. I think we should just learn from the past and make sure that the bad thongs won't happen. The era before us was different and lets just keep it as it is.Continue to move forward anf live our life to the fullest. Worrying about this thing will just lead to cinflict.

Even so called 'actual Muslims' says the same. ''They are not real Islamic people., Islam is the religion of peace'' but they never come forward against terrorists     Christians have killed millions of people so far in the name of region. that amount cannot be compared with ISIS killings, In Medieval times: The Crusades were violent and led to atrocities by the modern world's standards under the banner of the cross and in the name of Christianity. But the Crusades were a counterattack on Islam. Muslim invasions and atrocities against Christians were on the rise in the decades before the launch of the Crusades in 1096. All current western imperialist countries are Christian.

I will list here , similar teachings of Christinism to Quran later on. May be you don't know them.

You're leaving out one crucial element to that which completely negates your entire argument. Christian scripture was completely opposed to what actual "christians" did. The scripture told them to do the exact opposite of what they did. It actually taught to love and forgive. Be kind to your enemies. If someone strikes you turn the other cheek. If people do not accept your teachings then turn around and leave them.

This is completely contrary to the teachings of Islam that actually tell muslims to kill the infidel, force their beliefs on others, kill those who turn from the teachings, allow them to use deception and even lie about their religion in countries that may be hostile to Islam etc.

So Christians in western societies imposed religion in their human judgement in order to impose "a civilized way of life" (which they learned eventually to be counter to it), not because scripture told them, and ended the subjagation a thousand years ago. Islam on the other hand actually tells muslims to commit these atrocities in the name of Allah. A thousand years later they are still stuck in mideival times.

THAT, is where your argument falls flat sir.

I'll tell you more, European countries will take even more from African countries, and not return for slavery. Although there is nothing to take from some countries. As far as I know, only a few countries can boast of their wealth and developed economy, but they know the value of this result.

Islamic teaching is barbaric. so the Christian in the past. But with the time They removed that barbaric teachings from Christinism according to the modern world. but Islamic people didn't , thats the difference. Otherwise both belongs to Ibrahim religions. Basic religious concept the same. If you go back to 70s,80s, Muslims were not this much aggressive or violent. some people used their religious fundamental to turn them barbarian to activate their hidden agenda. Now Muslims are nuisance for the  rest of world. whether you are not a part of hidden agendas, you can be a victim of them.

Uhhh no. That's called having a job and being an adult. Only lazy people think of that as a form of slavery. Is anyone forcing them to go work there? Nope. They can go live under a bridge if they'd like to. As to the 2nd part of your statement on ISIS. Sure, Hillary and Obama created ISIS by arming the rebels and deposing of Gaddafi which created a power vacuum in the area. But nobody makes any of them go and blow up men, women, and children except their barbaric culture and ideology. Running around with suicide vest killing groups of innocent people is a choice they make on their own to carry out. Most civilized cultures find more amenable solutions. When 20% of your entire culture (or 350 MILLION people) thinks Sharia law and sympathy for jihadists is okay then that is a problem with the people, and they certainly have no business being blended in with Western culture because their cultures clearly do not mix. That's called being a realist. This is why Donald Trump's extreme vetting is a sensible solution and the mass migration of refugees into countries like Sweden and Germany are laughably unrealistic. It's also why they have the matching numbers of murders, assaults, rapes, and pedophilia to accompany those numbers.

Slavery still exists in many ways even today. even a man who is working in big company wearing proper clothes in AC rooms but still a slave of some one or some group which means he/she has to work for them,  make profit for them. So current social structure ( Capitalism ) too should change oneday. It won't change itself I think , people have to change. If i come back to your comment,  even Behind Muslim terrorism Western imperialist are there. who created ISIS ? now everyone knows the truth, may be you don't. just google..

I was talking to the common mainly accepted slavery. the slavery era. Otherwise we can talk about this topic for days.

You do realize that black people owned slaves during the time of slavery as well correct? In fact, the first person to own a slave in the new colonies before America was created was a black man. In Africa the warring tribes used to actually cannabalize the prisoners, as well as sell them as slaves. You do realize that white people are the reason that there is no longer any slavery in both Europe and America correct? Less than 1% of Americans owned any slaves during the time of slavery. Have you seen how muslims treat slaves in the Middle East still to this day? How about their treatment of women? I don't see you pointing your finger at muslims. This is perhaps one of the dumbest comments I've seen on this site yet.

Couldn't put in any better. What happened in the past must be forgiven. An individual should not be punished for the actions of his great-forefathers. Repatriations can only be extracted from individuals who are directly responsible for a crime. For example, after the WW2, the axis powers such as Japan and Germany paid repatriations to the allies.

I think this is something that has to be done but is not gonna happen ever.

It seems like a pointless conversation to have. From what I can see, very few countries in Africa have their shit together enough that it would be helpful. Any reparations would likely be stolen by a few corrupt officials or squandered on worthless projects. How far back in history do you go in this hypothetical scenario?

Should Mongolia repay for the pillaging of Arab countries by Genghis Khan? Should the Italians pay reparations for Roman plundering of Europe? Should Turkey pay for the Ottoman invasion of Greece? It is a stupid discussion to have, why should current generations pay for mistakes made hundreds of years ago?

Everyone is a slave who doesn't have the financial freedom even today. Slavery still exits in different way, different manner. so get the financial freedom. Otherwise you will be a slave for someone until you work under him/her.

Everyone is a slave of the devil. Everyone except those who have been released from his power by becoming Christians.

it's all in the past.

If possible yes. They ruin the lives of African people living with peace and then here they came with greedy motives. So I think as an act of repentance and peace offering.

Yeah yeah I know. I have read enough. Mainly Imperialist westerners responsible for that black era against the humanity. I just highlighted that hollywood movie as  many people watch hollywood movies and it shows us the cruelty of slavery

Do you believe that Hollywood depicts the truth? For heaven's sake, if you want to learn what happened in the past, then read some history books. Watching Hollywood movies is not a good way to improve your historical knowledge. Yes... the slaves were treated very badly back then in the US. But in other countries, they were treated even worse.

Have you guys watched ''12 years as a slave''- movie? It is very pathetic to see how slaves were treated by White people, Color of skin makes the discrimination , how cruel world this was ?

Europe and America only took over the slave business from other Africans. Then, after a time, they stopped most of the slavery business, and taught the slaves how to read and write. Now the former slaves want a free ride. but just try to give them a ride back to their ignorant African "state," and they cry all the louder.

I guess they are simply slaves of their inability to realize how good they have it in Europe and America.

£30bn debts write-off agreed | Politics | The Guardian
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11 Jun 2005 - Eighteen of the world's poorest countries will have their debts to the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund wiped out as part of a $55bn ... the agreement between George Bush and Tony Blair earlier this week in Washington, which included debts owed to the World Bank and the African Bank but

A decade after debt forgiveness, Africa still hooked on dollars - Reuters
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18 May 2017 - Now he has zero exposure outside of South Africa, he said, adding: “They just fell back into the 'original sin' trap of borrowing in dollars.” After the debt, owed to multilateral organizations such as the International Monetary Fund, was wiped out, investors such as Carter were prepared to accept the risks of..

So they borrowed more dollars and the leaders run with the monies like they always do..

So the African leaders get the borrowed monies and they borrow on the promise that when they mine and farm that they will pay this monies back BUT..

They get the monies the African leaders and instead of building nice roads and homes off the roads the leaders build themselves a mansion with swimming pool and rob the Africans of there future labour
and then the average afican then blames the white man for slavery that happened many years ago..

Yes still slaves but slaves in all colours..As i will prove below..

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Millionaire traveller family who kept 18 homeless men as slaves for decades have been jailed for a total .

WHITE BRITISH SLAVES^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^..

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Right the BRITISH peoples are going to war to help the Jews because we feel sorry for them
because my german i mean the germans are being terrible to the Jews..

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NO..Africa should pay it's self for slavery..

Human Sacrifice and the Supernatural in African History:
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Mbogoni, Lawrence E.Y. - 2013 - ‎Social Science
Sacrifice (kutamba) was often demanded by diviners and the following used to be offered as sacrifices: a chicken, various kinds of medicinal charms and magical horns, such as akagote, esiriba, amahembe, emihambo.52 Nyakarura also mentions that goats were used for sacrifice as part of the ritu- als for a “lucky bath also kill children for sacrifice ..

Who do you think rounded the slaves up?..Other AFRICANS ..

I go to next village chop the village up and take some slaves and sell them to the white man ..

What about the ROMANS do they owe the British monies ..Italy you owe us monies

Oh maybe China can get some monies off genghis khan ..

I know who owe the UK monies though GERMANY.. .

Britain finally pays off WWII debt - Foreign Affairs - Politics.co.uk
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29 Dec 2006 - Britain will today make the last repayment on loans lent by the US and Canada during the second world war - 61 years ago. The Treasury will send £42.4 million to the US and £9.98 million to Canada via electronic payment, the 50th instalment on a loan that without which Britain may have collapsed under ...

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21 Mar 2017 - Prominent Tory MP and veteran eurosceptic Sir Bill Cash suggested ministers “bear in mind” a post-war deal that saw Germany's debt halved amid likely demands Britain pay a multi-billion pound EU exit fee. Brussels' chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier is ready to hit the Prime Minister with a .. 

I suppose the GERMAN QUEEN  sorry i mean the UK queen let them off with it and made me the future
pay the ww2 debt back for her lovely GERMAN PEOPLES i mean she wanted the UK to be loyal debt
payers..

If you try to settle all crimes done in the past centuries by people who are now dead, you are deep into an impossible mission. And probably you would just end in doing new injustices.

Finally someone understands basic history

Europe can't repay Africa and Asia. Cos what they took from them is priceless and nonreturnable.. that past is full of tragedies. Specially slavery era.. how pathetic..

No, not for slavery. If anything it's for colonialism. That's way more brutal and hurt the different societies directly.

So, the repayment should be made to the slaves but not their place of origin and to some extent they had done so.
Today the (family of) slaves that survived had a better life than those who sold them.

It happened already in our history, we can't deny how it is worst because people didn't have the rights to live and freedom. However, why the European should repay it now? I think repay is not suited, European must help African people to overcome their problem in their society now. They brought that problems because in old times they are greed in power and resources, that's why slavery existed.

No at all, because they Europeans bought the slaves fare and square and they bought them from their very own black people fair and square. If they are blames, we should blame Africans who sold their own brothers.

No. There has always been a master/slave relationship. It is how the universe has dispensed with justice or karma through reincarnation. But the robber barons of Europe will cease to exploit the African continent's resources when and if the people would only rise up against the government shilling for the corporations which control the wealth of so many.

Should Italy repay all Europe because of Roman Empire?

First of all, local African chiefs were responsible for most of the slave trade. And secondly, the Arabs shipped far more slaves than the Europeans ever managed. The Europeans are being made the scapegoats, since their slaves survived and multiplied in number. The descendants are now demanding repatriations. On the other hand, the Arabs mostly enslaved young African women and boys, to be used as sex slaves. These slaves were killed once they got sick. There are no descendants of these slaves and therefore no one demands repatriations from the Arabs.

BTW, the Crimean Tatars enslaved more than 10 million Russians and Ukrainians, until the Russian empire conquered Crimea in the 18th century. Those slaves were treated much worse than the Africans. Also, the Barbary pirates enslaved many millions of Southern Europeans. What about the repatriations for these people?

I believe they should, African people have nothing to eat in 90% countries. They still act and live as a slaves. Only humanity and love can bit this situation...

Should Arabs and Americans vacate the regions they invaded and settled?

That is a world problem and It will exist whatever we try to stop it .. So, I don't think so

Do you honestly believe that European countries should pay reparations to African countries for the sins of Slavery ?