Topic: Should merit system really exist? (Read 816 times)

I think you've adapted the culture of calling the project makers as "devs" in a bounty campaign chat.  
As you can see, our admins and other merit source has a lot of smerits and will definitely give those to deserving people. Make it sure you're one of them before askin' similar question here in meta. Let the higher-ups discover you and continue your work (If you know yourself you've made good posts).

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People nowadays always askin' why they don't have any merits even they're a "good poster". You can check these guys listed on @Coin-1's topic and search how do they manage to earn merits. It doesn't mean you're always posting, you'll receive merits, that's wrong. Posts have their own definition and value too, if your posts was a great add-ons to a certain topic then you deserve it but if you're giving false statements and not good opinions, don't expect one. Accept the fact that you can't manage to earn merits now, but soon enough if you study really hard how the things work, you'll gain it.

Also, avoid rephrasing similar ideas because it's just making things worst, don't push yourself to make posts if you don't have any interesting things to be stated and will just rephrase again other replies. Be original.

Moderators are already awarding every post that "maintain(s) the standard of forum rules" by not deleting it and by not banning you. Don't expect a cookie for cleaning your room and doing your homework.

Your posts are utterly retarded:

...and there are tons more just like this.  Those are all asswipe; they're all in garbage spam threads; and you're a fantastic example of someone who's overvaluing his contribution to bitcointalk.  You suck, and you're going on my ignore list.

i don't believe it i have started ethical post since i started comment here, but i didn't get any merit point or appreciation even i don't copy paste from google. i always comment here from my humor sense.

I guess you're in the right section which is Meta. Most of the people who are giving merits are in here. They won't bother giving merits to spam sections. If you want to focus more on getting merits you should be active in this section. Posts in bitcoin discussion seldom get merits.

There aren't "hotbeds" that I know of, because I don't have the statistics about which sections are having the most merits given out.  And I would suggest that it isn't about which section you're posting in but the quality of your posts.  You can't expect some 100-character post in broken-ass English to earn you merit, and I suspect that's exactly what shitposters are counting on.  From what I've seen, people tend to seriously overestimate the quality of their posts.

I think Meta might be one of the sections where merit is frequently given out, but the regular posters in it know that noobs have infiltrated it, looking for merits--and it's obvious, and it's also apparent that these noobs are not getting merited.  

So ultimately there is no "ideal section" to post in if you're looking for merits, but as I've said many times you would do well to avoid spam-infested sections like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion, Economics, and Speculation.  Even if you make a fantastic post in one of those, nobody is likely to read it.  On the other hand, you shouldn't be choosing where to post based on your own need for merits.

And that's basically what I just said one post above you, except I said that low-ranked members who are trying to earn merit are pretty obvious and thus it will be a waste of time for them to write their shitposts in Meta.  Bitch, you're going on ignore.

I don`t think that this is a good idea. The merit system was invented in order to eliminate spam on the forum. And this shouldn`t be done by admins, but by the participants themselves. After all, the forum is a meeting place for tens of thousands of people who are developing this platform, making changes and organizing activities. Spam worries not only admins, but also the participants themselves. Therefore, the forum community should also fight against it.

You write your posts not for the administrator, who should praise you and give you a merit. You write them in order to take part in the discussion with other members of the forum. Therefore, recognition must be earned from them, and not from the admin, who doesn`t have time to read every post on the forum. The forum community is a self-organizing system. Its entire meaning is for the participants to feel equal and not dependent on one supreme administrator. Therefore, everyone has the opportunity to receive and give merits. And this creates a communicative fellowship that is responsible for its actions.

Merit system supposed to be the best thing that has be introduce to this forum because it has really reduce the meaningless post. But with all due respect, the merit system never take it due process it seems as if merit is taken a dimension which I can't really explain. My opinion is that merit should be awarded by forum moderators to maintain the standard of forum rules.

Why the topic has not been locked or moved to other boards?
Such annoying topic should not appear in Meta board, especially more than 6 months after the start day of merit system.   

It should exist for sure but the some improvement are needed in current form. For instance, there should be limits of max merits allowed per post to 5 or something like that.

The new merit system might be unpopular to some, but I do believe this is the right thing to do in order to instill order in this forum. When you suddenly think "Why am I not getting too many merits?" then this is the start of your journey to better yourself and you're absolutely on the right track. Posting messages having this question in mind will make you think harder and will surely attempt to make meaningful posts worthy of merits.

I gave you a couple of merits under my cMerit project, and this will let you rank up. These are for a variety of your posts on the Bitcoin discssion board, unfortunately my visits there are very infrequent.

Hey,
Months after the start day of merit system, you created the boring topic to ask whether the system should be existed or not.
Really?
Have you actually seen real effects of the system on forum?
Please tell me which kinds of effects you seen.

This is political nepotism

This system has improved the whole forum,i have been here for months and i dont really do like interacting with users as i am more good in reading and applying my knowledge in trades.The forum 7months ago is far worst than it is today which is why i strongly agree that this merit system should be permanent it is indeed unfair to new users but it will only lessen the spam in this forum which is why i am one of those people who are happy with the outcome.

I fear that the merit system will lead to the echo chambers that make up Facebook and Reddit.

Something absolutely needs to be done to prevent farmers from creating massive numbers of accounts with shit posts, however I don’t think the merit system as implemented is the solution.

There was an “airdrop” of merit when the merit system was first implemented and much of the merit that will be spent from that has been spent.

This is something that I've done in the past. There are many beneficial members who make reasonable discussion posts, but no individual post is outstanding. The forum needs members like this to preserve an active vibrant community. Sometimes it is difficult to decide on individual posts, so one just awards a block of sMerit to the latest one. In this case, I think it is useful if the awarder makes a comment to justify the award ( as was done in this case). This avoids charges of merit abuse, and it also encourages newer members who actively support the forum in a productive way.

This has given me another idea. I might start a 'newbie of the month' award of 10 merits, but it sounds like a fair bit of work. I will also need to think of an acronym for the award " Star Poster Awarded Merits" doesn't seem to be ideal.

Not really. You should check the reply of the person who has credited me merits on the topic. He hasn't merited me for this post. He has gone through my profile and all my previous posts and has then credited me with appropriate merits to rank up to member. Does that seem wrong to you?

Does trying to rank up only means trying to earn more money with signature and bounty campaigns? Or does it also mean that you are expecting some credit from people for your contribution and hard work on forum and trying to gain some reputation and respect? and who wouldn't like to share knowledge and content on forum and plus earn some bucks from it? But its not always just about money, atleast not for me. I am trying to rank up so as to gain some importance in the forum. If i wanted to make money, i would be shit posting and spamming instead of writing constructive posts. 

What you have said is correct. I will just add this in to your advice. Don't post in the megathreads so that somebody can see your "HELPFUL" article and "INFORMATIVE" news.

Seeing the number of merits you got for this post, I doubt it should exist in the current form. A lot of improvements are required.

I absolutely agree with your statement. And thank you so much for going through my posts and providing appropriate merits.

Yes , it's really hard to earn  merit. Not  just  posting quality post  here in btt but  I suggest  try  to create   helpful   article. I think  that is best way to earn merit and also sharing  Informative news.

I guess it comes with other benefits. However, the vast majority are wanting to rank up for earning potential. Although, there are legitimate other reasons to want a higher rank. Especially, the lower ranked members wanting a slightly higher rank. People are oddly motivated by having a avatar for example. I guess it gives them some sort of identity.

I also think that this is the trend.  The Merit system becomes the "like" of Facebook in which one will easily give a merit to a certain post that he agrees with.  On the other hand, he will rarely give a merit to a post that has a different opinion compare to him.

I am seeing many newbies posting quality posts in Beginners and Help Section recently but they do not receive any single merit.

Is it just me or the Merit circulation slows down at some point (and continuously slowing/dying down)?

Not every member here is "doing bounties".

I believe that the forum will have to disable signatures for newbies and juniors, and to restrict their thread starting capabilities. They will have brought this on themselves, as they refuse to behave and obey the forum guidelines.

So we remove it and instead let those same users sign up with dozens of accounts each to spam the forum into oblivion? The merit system was introduced to stop exactly that. People who farm merit or trade it to their 'friends' or family (aka alts) usually get caught and have their accounts ruined when they do so it's not really worth the risk. They'll also run out of merits to exchange very fast.


It's not going to stop shitposters from spamming, but it stops them from being able to rank up from doing so and that's why it's helpful. There needs to be additional restrictions or punishments for those still spamming on campaigns as Juniors etc and for those that continue to pay them to do it.

Following hilarious' comment that your posts are not absolute garbage, you are right, merits are generally given out based on the underlying content, not the effort put into one's post. The unfortunate reality is that people generally will give out merit (with many exceptions) to posts they are in agreement with, and will withhold merit on posts they disagree with.

It is my belief that there should be incentives to make posts, and disincentives to make shit/spam posts, and to remove the current incentives that currently exist to make shit/spam posts.

edit: I reviewed your posts, and I gave you sufficient merit to rank up to "member" status.

It's not that difficult bro.You should pay attention to your post quality and contribute to forum.And don't think about merit too much, just enjoy the forum.Good luck             

It is difficult to get merits. It's intended to be difficult. Everything working fine. You have to live with it or leave this forum. Your choice...

It is hard to get a merit even if you have a meaningful or Good quality in posting. They want a famous to give merit.

I have noticed since the merit system of many members who complain about the difficulty of upgrading, getting merit is not easy because merit that we can give to others is limited. so the merit that can be obtained is also difficult. but on the other hand, the merit system also has its positive side. where spam account can no longer operate.

I am not sure what changes are you suggesting. Currently most of the merits come from merit sources and they are selected and monitored ( I assume ) by the admin . So the control is already with the most trusted members here.

NO, the merit system not  should really exist here. The eco-system of merit is handling a lot of spam in here true ? I think no ,  even if there is merit system spam post are as much as even if there would not be merit system. as we know until jr. member no merit is required and for spam camp we just need jr. member. does this make sense ? and every member here is doing bounties and all.

No I don't believe so.  It is too easy for friends and family to switch to each other different merit, therefore giving them an advantage.
It's a way to cheat and make yourself more popular on the forums.

If that is what he meant by "devs" then we might see low ranking spammers become Sr. Members and above in no time. If we gave these bounty managers that don't care about spammers that power then we will see a flaw in the merit system. For one they are just bounty campaign managers they are not automatically qualify as a merit source, unlike the merit sources we have now which most go through the process of application just to be one.

I love this system this made the spam stopped from this forum when comparing before Jan 25th 2018. Before that we may see the more application on campaign side and various trashcanned topics buddy.
Then I see many people on this forum especially on the top rank and DT side many merits seems receiving for their shit posts. Hopefully those DT members will not love it to have those merits.

I can categorize post in three category :
1. Shit /spam post
2. Average (may be some below or some above average post)
3. Good post.

What ever the objective of this system , but it acted as a silent killer for average poster (category 2).

I just did the quick glance and might be you also fall in Category 2.

PS : Don't worry, be happy and continue what is close to your heart or you are good at. Don't try to fake yourself so that you can get some merits but do not break forum rules.

That is how some twitbook hunters calls their bounty manager. I think it stand for developer or they have another meaning for it. I found some in ANN threads and bounties when I was reporting lately and I also used to call bounty managers "dev" before when I was a noob spammer

What made you think that a few admins is better than 83 merit sources as right now that is giving at max of 19,100 sMerits per 30 days? If you are obviously thinking we have more merit sources than the admins and mods combined. So I know 19,100 at first do not look a lot but everytime a member sends 1 sMerit half of that will be received by you as a sendable sMerit. So do not mind that your posts are not receiving any merits instead concentrate more on improving your post by actually reading other posts in that thread and contributing something new.

When I see posts like this, it puts me off giving you any merits. I think this is against the spirit of Bitcoin Talk,and it is part of the crrent spam problem. Also I noticed that you posted that people should never sell at a loss. without knowing the financial state of an investor, and his motivation, it is unwise to give advice like this.

Thanks for your views. i will surely take your advice into consideration and improve my weak points.

Your posts aren't anything special, though they're certainly better than your standard one/two line shitposter the forum is plagued with, but they still all roughly follow the same pattern of a few sentences and don't really stand out which helps. Try actually take part in a discussion that's not just the standard dime a dozen sort of threads that get posted here. If you offer an original opinion that has clearly had some thought put into it then it doesn't seem that difficult to get merit from people.


This would make it 1000 times worse. Admins/devs are barely active here so the chances of you getting merit would be even slimmer.

   
Should merit system really exist? Basically no, but a solution to all the shits posts was really necessary. If there is someone to blame it's the members who abused the forum I would say. If the whole Bitcointalk community was behaving correctly then the system wouldn't be here.

Devs?  You sound like the type of person who labels anyone who's high-ranked or has a position of authority on bitcointalk as a "dev".  I don't get this.

You got 1 merit since January, which is more than a lot of shitposters have gotten.  It's a start.  Most of the posts I could view in your profile were in the Speculation section, which isn't exactly a hotbed of merit-giving activity.  Plus you seem to have a problem with capitalization of words, which doesn't go unnoticed.  You might think that you can write posts on bitcointalk as if you were texting someone, but don't expect any merits if you do that. 

What you need to do is be patient and improve your post quality.  You might think you haven't earned enough merits, but the community is obviously not seeing it your way.  Don't make posts in spam mega threads and you might have a shot at earning more merits.  You're not likely to garner much sympathy here anyway, since people who bitch about not getting merits tend to be those obsessed with ranking up and earning more money via spam campaigns.  That's almost invariably what it ends up being about.

I have been writing meaningful and good quality posts since start of my journey on bitcointalk forum, but i have noticed that i have still not received appropriate number of merits. whereas some people are receiving merits for posting useless and meaningless posts because they have high position in the forum. According to me merit system is a bit partial and changes must be made to it. Only devs and admins should have smerit and they should reward it to the people making appropriate posts. Please let me know your views below. No hard feelings for anyone