Should mods make a post to justify why they locked a thread?

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Quote from: Halab on May 21, 2024, 03:03:11 AM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on May 20, 2024, 06:10:20 PM

I also think it would be nice to send a DM to the user who started the thread to give a reason for locking or even moving a post, because sometimes let's say when you have a number of post and you think you have covered the post count for the week and all of a sudden you find out that some post have been deleted or moved to off-top and you have no one to give the specific reason for that action, (this only happens to sig members) which ever way it happens both moving of topics deleting of post and locking of post or thread I think mods should at least DM the members why they took that action.

So if a mod moves or deletes a topic where 50 people have posted, he'll have to send 50 PMs ? Really ?? And also send a bouquet of flowers or a box of chocolate to apologise too I presume?

I'm going to be direct, I (as usual I'm speaking for myself, but I'm sure my colleagues are on the same page) don't give a damn about the post count when I delete/move a post/topic. There are no rules, no instructions from Theymos on this subject. Before clicking on the 'Post' button, it's up to you to decide whether the topic has a chance of being moved/deleted or not.

I agree on the general sentiment. The forum mods don't have an obligation towards someone's post count and it shouldn't be considered their liability when they're simply following standard moderation practices.

But we have to agree that a notification for having one of your posts deleted would be a nice feature. By way of not having it bitcointalk lacks a feature many other social platforms would have as standard. By this point it might be wishful thinking to hope such feature gets implemented but one can only hope.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

It depends actually but I guess for due process and fairness, it would be most appreciated if mods would actually message you personally the reason on why your thread got locked.

Similar to our comments when it gets deleted, we receive a personal message (although from a bot) the reason on why it was deleted either to being spam or being out-of-topic on the said discussion. If mods were to at least apply this kind of practice to some locked threads, then it would be again, most appreciated by us.

On the other hand, I would also argue against this especially if the reason for the thread being locked has a patent nullity on its face- meaning it is obvious on why it was locked in the first place. The reasons may include due to:

Topic is irrelevant to the board where it was posted;
Thread was already answered in a previously-created thread; or
The discussion was primarily created as a spam which includes nonsensical replies from the OP.

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Quote from: Halab on May 21, 2024, 03:03:11 AM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on May 20, 2024, 06:10:20 PM

I also think it would be nice to send a DM to the user who started the thread to give a reason for locking or even moving a post, because sometimes let's say when you have a number of post and you think you have covered the post count for the week and all of a sudden you find out that some post have been deleted or moved to off-top and you have no one to give the specific reason for that action, (this only happens to sig members) which ever way it happens both moving of topics deleting of post and locking of post or thread I think mods should at least DM the members why they took that action.

So if a mod moves or deletes a topic where 50 people have posted, he'll have to send 50 PMs ? Really ?? And also send a bouquet of flowers or a box of chocolate to apologise too I presume?

I'm going to be direct, I (as usual I'm speaking for myself, but I'm sure my colleagues are on the same page) don't give a damn about the post count when I delete/move a post/topic. There are no rules, no instructions from Theymos on this subject. Before clicking on the 'Post' button, it's up to you to decide whether the topic has a chance of being moved/deleted or not.

Not saying the mods should PM everyone on the thread or apologize, no that's not what I'm saying but all I'm saying is there should be a notification that this particular action has been taken especially on deleted post. I don't know if you get me. And if you check properly we have many members who don't know where to drop their post (newbies especially), it only takes time before they get things done properly, and I'm not against the rules or neither am I saying you guys (MODs) are not trying by putting things in order but I think if the notification is not given some members won't know why their post was deleted and they may continue doing what they're doing without knowing if is wrong or not.

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Quote from: Halab on May 21, 2024, 03:03:11 AM

And also send a bouquet of flowers or a box of chocolate to apologise too I presume?

I like the idea, but I don't like doxing myself to receive the flowers. I'll take Bitcoin if you want to lock my threads Tongue

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on May 20, 2024, 06:10:20 PM

I also think it would be nice to send a DM to the user who started the thread to give a reason for locking or even moving a post, because sometimes let's say when you have a number of post and you think you have covered the post count for the week and all of a sudden you find out that some post have been deleted or moved to off-top and you have no one to give the specific reason for that action, (this only happens to sig members) which ever way it happens both moving of topics deleting of post and locking of post or thread I think mods should at least DM the members why they took that action.

So if a mod moves or deletes a topic where 50 people have posted, he'll have to send 50 PMs ? Really ?? And also send a bouquet of flowers or a box of chocolate to apologise too I presume?

I'm going to be direct, I (as usual I'm speaking for myself, but I'm sure my colleagues are on the same page) don't give a damn about the post count when I delete/move a post/topic. There are no rules, no instructions from Theymos on this subject. Before clicking on the 'Post' button, it's up to you to decide whether the topic has a chance of being moved/deleted or not.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 20, 2024, 07:28:17 PM

Quote from: PX-Z on May 16, 2024, 06:03:07 PM

I don't think it is based on their "own discreation" rather its based on forum rules.

Me neither, and if mods could or did lock threads based on factors other than forum rules, a shit storm of chaos would probably ensue. My guess is that most of the threads they lock are garbage ones that should never have been started in the first place or were ones that got reported by someone for breaking a rule.

As far as mods giving a reason why, I don't think that's ever going to happen even if I thought it was a good idea, which I don't. They've got way too much to handle as it is without having to justify their actions when said actions usually aren't controversial in the least.

When a thread is a spam megathread it often gets deleted as deliberately inviting spam could be considered against the rules.
But it also does happen that mods will lock an old thread at their own discression without it being spam or breaking any rules. Not everybody should be up at arms with this and also it wouldn't be too much work to simply add a simple response to a thread before locking it to justify the decision.

The best option would be for Bitcointalk to have a drop-down menu so this can be done automatically when mods lock a thread but I don't think it makes sense to request features for the forum based on wnsy we've seen so far.

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Quote from: PX-Z on May 16, 2024, 06:03:07 PM

I don't think it is based on their "own discreation" rather its based on forum rules.

Me neither, and if mods could or did lock threads based on factors other than forum rules, a shit storm of chaos would probably ensue. My guess is that most of the threads they lock are garbage ones that should never have been started in the first place or were ones that got reported by someone for breaking a rule.

As far as mods giving a reason why, I don't think that's ever going to happen even if I thought it was a good idea, which I don't. They've got way too much to handle as it is without having to justify their actions when said actions usually aren't controversial in the least.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

I thought about this in a way that can some how help members of the Forum to stop asking questions like "what's the reason for locking this thread", I also think it would be nice to send a DM to the user who started the thread to give a reason for locking or even moving a post, because sometimes let's say when you have a number of post and you think you have covered the post count for the week and all of a sudden you find out that some post have been deleted or moved to off-top and you have no one to give the specific reason for that action, (this only happens to sig members) which ever way it happens both moving of topics deleting of post and locking of post or thread I think mods should at least DM the members why they took that action.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on May 18, 2024, 01:56:02 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on May 17, 2024, 05:09:35 AM

For obvious spam/low quality posts= Lock/delete without explanation.

For duplicate topics= Lock with a link to the original discussion thread.

@OP, the quote above better describes what I wanted to say.

Moderators can not just lock or delete a topic when nothing is wrong.

If a post gets deleted or lock, it is obviouse that it might have been because of the reasons that @Igebotz has given, which moderators will not really find the strength to start explaining why they want to lock a topic. It is left for the OP and other readers to figure out why the topic got locked.

I agree, If the moderator has to explain why he locked the thread, he will be put in the spotlight for his decision. He will have to defend all the reasons why he locked the topic since we already know the rules on this forum and have ideas on why the moderators locked the topic.
The moderator's job is to implement the rules on locking the topic based on his judgment, and he has the discretion to do that. It's a moderator's privilege.

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I had my some of my topics locked by moderators or admins several times before, but I was not really that interested in getting written explanation why it happened.
Most of the times I can guess why this happened, I probably asked some tricky questions or topic was going nowhere or off-topic.
I wouldn't waste my time on that anymore, unless it was something really important.

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If that was the case, they would probably not meet their quota and they're going to take a really long time to lock all the thread that needs to be locked, maybe if there's a way that mods can do an automated message for the reason for locking the thread, it might work but for now, we just have to rely on self-reflection as to why our threads have been locked.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

You raised a very good point and I hope I am not yet late for the party. I also read what so many people wrote here which now makes me confused about whether moderators have the right to lock and unlock a thread or not, which is against what I believed initially, and I know that many also believed that moderators have that power as well and not only the admin.

Regardless, just like what PowerGlove pointed out here, any action made by any moderate or any high ranking persons on the forum who can do what other ordinary members can't do should not just be but also the reason for the action.

This is not only to allege/sanction the users but also for such users to know and avoid it next time. Some actions could be confusing at times, so what use is it if the person redo it if he didn't know what was wrong with the initial one?

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

A note would be fine by me, cos how can you find out what you did that made mods lock your thread? But nevertheless, if you know the rules of the forum, so in the first place, you wouldn't had that thread locked. Although you can find out the reason from your PMs, which is enough info to know.

Otherwise, you would DM mod and ask the reason, cos that is more communicative.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on May 18, 2024, 09:31:06 AM

I have never seen any mod giving any sort of explanation for a locked thread until they have been asked here in meta.

It seems that you do not visit all sections of the forum.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator.

Not at their own discretion though.... that's like saying they're responsible for adjudicating what should,and what shouldn't be posted. We've got rules already; so basically, the moderators are only there to blur out/control incessant posting.

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I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked

Is this really necessary?? Ofcourse, when a post is deleted, a user gets notified through PMS for the possible reasons that happened. The same case would imply when it's locked by the MODs.

Look, you have no idea how much time and energy it takes to manually run the forum. Why not avoid tryna make their job more strenuous?

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 18, 2024, 02:50:46 AM

I don't remember any of my topics ever being locked by a Mod, but I do think you have a point: if a spam megathread is locked because it's a spam megathread, it might be good for users to see. Then again, most of them were deleted, and there's no notification for anyone other than the OP.

Maybe you didn't notice because there's absolutely no way the user gets notified. Cheesy

Bitcointalk is lacking many quality of life features that any social site should have these days. But some things could be done as moderation courtesy too.

At least deleted threads send the OP a personal message automatically.

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Already if a post is being locked then op should know that is only mod or admin that can lock a post and this implies either the post doesn't meet the quality or that post has been subsequently discussed over time so when a member create a post that looks same the next is for them to get it locked without prior noticed to the op or even without making any comment to attached to their reason of locking the thread or topic. Moving a post is common especially when that post is created in the field where it's not needed, and if you are using bitcointalk telegram bot then you would get notified for the moved only if you enable notification for that particular board its being moved to.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

If a mod locks a topic and the OP is not comfortable with it, it is the duty of the Op to create another post asking why their post was locked.
Moderator writing the last post before locking a thread is a nice suggestion. But moderation is best when you don't know who moderated you. A moderator making such a post before locking will expose him to everyone that he's the who locked the thread.
Since you corrected yourself, a user cannot unlock a post locked by a mod.

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Quote from: Igebotz on May 17, 2024, 05:09:35 AM

For obvious spam/low quality posts= Lock/delete without explanation.

For duplicate topics= Lock with a link to the original discussion thread.

@OP, the quote above better describes what I wanted to say.

Moderators can not just lock or delete a topic when nothing is wrong.

If a post gets deleted or lock, it is obviouse that it might have been because of the reasons that @Igebotz has given, which moderators will not really find the strength to start explaining why they want to lock a topic. It is left for the OP and other readers to figure out why the topic got locked.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 18, 2024, 11:17:20 AM

Yeah I would think a mod could lock and pick from a list of why the lock

1. super spam
2. threats of violence
3. other

obvious the list could be longer but the effort to pick one of 3 or 4 or 5 on the list is pretty much zero. the effort to lock is much more as the mod has to read a few or more than a few posts to decide if thread should be lock. so adding a reason from a predetermined list is not much to ask for.

Exactly what I was trying to say in my previous reply.
Instead of saying mods should start threads or topics with respect to their actions on a particular post like ( Nuking, moving or locking.) there should be a feed back message the mods should select during the process of taking their actions. Probably something like this post was nuked because of spam or this post was nuked by this mod because of suspected scam. So on and so forth.

So any one who is not satisfied with the action of the mod can be free to step up and create a reputation thread asking why his post was nuked or moved as the case may be. However from my experience on the forum, posts that are usually nuked are just too obviously off topic or scam.

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 18, 2024, 02:50:46 AM

I don't remember any of my topics ever being locked by a Mod, but I do think you have a point: if a spam megathread is locked because it's a spam megathread, it might be good for users to see. Then again, most of them were deleted, and there's no notification for anyone other than the OP.

Yeah I would think a mod could lock and pick from a list of why the lock

1. super spam
2. threats of violence
3. other

obvious the list could be longer but the effort to pick one of 3 or 4 or 5 on the list is pretty much zero. the effort to lock is much more as the mod has to read a few or more than a few posts to decide if thread should be lock. so adding a reason from a predetermined list is not much to ask for.

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Quote from: Lucius on May 18, 2024, 05:05:52 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on May 17, 2024, 02:30:59 PM

The only reason for a thread to be locked is " There's nothing more to discuss further ", so I guess someone reported that to mod and they took the action or atleast that's what my assumption about locking threads by mod.
~snip~

If you had read at least a few posts in this topic, then you wouldn't have guessed what happened - too many people only read the titles and the first post in the topic, and that's why their posts look like yours.

You know what, I read all the replies and decided to make this as my reply along with an added opinion. I mean it's just simple and obvious if a thread is locked and AFAIK no one highlighted that point in this thread so I did.

I have never seen any mod giving any sort of explanation for a locked thread until they have been asked here in meta.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 18, 2024, 08:39:58 AM

Quote from: Lucius on May 18, 2024, 05:05:52 AM

Based on what you wrote, do you think that repetitive content is completely acceptable and that regardless of what someone wrote before you, you have some sort of "right" to express yourself and repeat it in your own way? No offense, but I didn't expect such an answer from someone like you.

In addition, the topic has 12 pages.

It doesn't offend me, we are just analyzing the situation from several perspectives. Wink

The fact that someone explains the same thing in a different way does not mean that they are repeating it. It can bring a different perspective on the subject, highlight a point that was not highlighted before and other details. And this other way of analyzing the topic can bring other points to the debate that have never been mentioned before.

What I mean by this is that for me it makes more sense to eliminate posts that are spamming (or repeating what has already been said in a clear way, without adding anything), than closing the topic.

Regarding big topics, it all depends on the topic. It should always be analyzed on a case-by-case basis. There are cases where a topic can get very large, but never be a source of spam. But this usually only works in local tabs, with smaller communities.

A perfect example of what you talking about would be this particular thread in speculation BUY THE DIP AND HODL. For sometime it feels as if the whole discussion is being repeated over and over again but if you just tend to keen in closely you will actually get that sometimes most of the repeated talks convey new info that needs be debated by others and that's why the thread itself is still powering till date although I won't lie sometimes it feels like deja Vu (feeling that you read same thing over and over 😁)

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

Yea, I support what you have said alani123. The OP of a topic have the right to lock their topic, a moderator also have the right to lock a thread for a good reason that is best known to them but before moderators must lock a topic of another OP, they should state a reason below the topic, so that users and the OP can know the reason why the topic was locked. If the moderators does not also keep a reason for locking a topic, the OP can send them DM to ask why the topic was locked.

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Quote from: Lucius on May 18, 2024, 05:05:52 AM

Based on what you wrote, do you think that repetitive content is completely acceptable and that regardless of what someone wrote before you, you have some sort of "right" to express yourself and repeat it in your own way? No offense, but I didn't expect such an answer from someone like you.

In addition, the topic has 12 pages.

It doesn't offend me, we are just analyzing the situation from several perspectives. Wink

The fact that someone explains the same thing in a different way does not mean that they are repeating it. It can bring a different perspective on the subject, highlight a point that was not highlighted before and other details. And this other way of analyzing the topic can bring other points to the debate that have never been mentioned before.

What I mean by this is that for me it makes more sense to eliminate posts that are spamming (or repeating what has already been said in a clear way, without adding anything), than closing the topic.

Regarding big topics, it all depends on the topic. It should always be analyzed on a case-by-case basis. There are cases where a topic can get very large, but never be a source of spam. But this usually only works in local tabs, with smaller communities.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on May 17, 2024, 02:30:59 PM

The only reason for a thread to be locked is " There's nothing more to discuss further ", so I guess someone reported that to mod and they took the action or atleast that's what my assumption about locking threads by mod.
~snip~

If you had read at least a few posts in this topic, then you wouldn't have guessed what happened - too many people only read the titles and the first post in the topic, and that's why their posts look like yours.

Quote from: joker_josue on May 18, 2024, 02:35:21 AM

Not wanting to call into question the analysis you made, I ask:
Why does a topic have to be closed, just because you think everything has already been discussed on the subject?

Looking at the topic you gave as an example. The topic has 10 pages, I can read the OP and the following two or three pages, and be interested in saying something about it. Maybe even ask something. What would be the problem if I made a post, 10 pages after the debate?
You will say that the answer to my question or the point I wanted to highlight has already been mentioned before. Yes, it may be true, but that's no reason for me not to be able to express myself.

Based on what you wrote, do you think that repetitive content is completely acceptable and that regardless of what someone wrote before you, you have some sort of "right" to express yourself and repeat it in your own way? No offense, but I didn't expect such an answer from someone like you.

In addition, the topic has 12 pages.

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I don't remember any of my topics ever being locked by a Mod, but I do think you have a point: if a spam megathread is locked because it's a spam megathread, it might be good for users to see. Then again, most of them were deleted, and there's no notification for anyone other than the OP.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on May 16, 2024, 11:48:52 PM

It shouldn't only limited to reason why they lock the topic.

It also needs:
1. Explanation why someone post got deleted.
2. Notification to non-original poster when the topic from original poster got deleted.
3. Different logo for locked thread (locked by OP and locked by moderator).
4. Hyperlink to the reported post when someone got banned.
5. Explanation why moderator mark your report as bad.

It would be nice, but it would mean quite an amount of extra work for them and also for somebody adding new features to this forum (which some would call pointless since this one was meant to be replaced by the new-forum-software; but I no longer believe/expect that)

And somehow, you people, seem to take into account the few of your topics/posts and forget about the sheer number of spam posts from people or bots who will not care at all about the feedback.
I will also tell that some years ago I could have agreed with this. But now I know that in time you can learn to see the signs for "what was the reason".

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Quote from: Lucius on May 17, 2024, 06:16:40 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on May 16, 2024, 08:06:01 PM

alani123, What is the purpose of your inquiry? Did a moderator block your topic or did this idea come to you just by chance?

I believe that this is the topic that caused him to ask the question. Given that I am the one responsible for the report, I can also explain why I think the topic should have been locked.

I personally think that the topic has reached its maximum and has turned into a signature spam megathread - and the moderator who handles the report obviously agrees with that. @alani123, just so you know, I have nothing against you personally, but I think you'll agree that there are very few topics that can generate some kind of meaningful discussion after 10 pages of discussion.

Not wanting to call into question the analysis you made, I ask:
Why does a topic have to be closed, just because you think everything has already been discussed on the subject?

Looking at the topic you gave as an example. The topic has 10 pages, I can read the OP and the following two or three pages, and be interested in saying something about it. Maybe even ask something. What would be the problem if I made a post, 10 pages after the debate?
You will say that the answer to my question or the point I wanted to highlight has already been mentioned before. Yes, it may be true, but that's no reason for me not to be able to express myself.

Furthermore, over time more information and other details about the topic may emerge, and the OP may prefer to add this information to this topic instead of creating a new one.

I also noticed that the last post in this topic had a merit, so I believe it was not an out-of-context or spam post.

There are thousands of topics on the forum, with several years of existence, and have never been closed. Why close recent topics?

As I said, I'm not calling into question any analysis, I just want to understand the logic applied.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

I have had my post locked also for no clear reasons sometime back also, but it seemed like the mod understood I had gotten enough satisfactory response for the question I asked and did some good to lock the post, I guess.
I love the fact that this came up here and in my opinion, even if a justified post isn't created, at least, a dm or email with a good reason for locking the post should suffice as a courtesy to the person who put in the effort to create the post.

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The only reason for a thread to be locked is " There's nothing more to discuss further ", so I guess someone reported that to mod and they took the action or atleast that's what my assumption about locking threads by mod.

I am sure there are certain instances the decision by mod could be wrong but it doesn't happens everyday so if we ask them to give explanation for every thread they lock then it's gonna add buttload of work for them when they used to deal hundreds or even thousands of reports requires their attention.

So the solution should be, when someone feel.a thread is locked by a mistake they're free to raise their concern in meta perhaps we can create a specific thread to post such kind of queries and mods can keep then in their tracked threads, this may not be what OP is looking but its the realistic solution for it.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 17, 2024, 09:26:11 AM

Yes.

Having said that, I would like to see not just mods giving some sort of explanation for their actions in certain cases, I would also like to see either a special board for people's complaints or at least mods answering them in Meta in a reasonable timeframe.

Yes it does make sense however I think that board should be the reputation board. For me I think if a mod should give reasons why they locked or moved every single topic to different boards or why they nuked different topics, there will be way more topics on the forum daily.
I think the best alternative is that when a mod moves a topic or deletes a topic there should be a feedback text space where he would briefly fill the reason for his actions instead of creating unnecessary topics. They when someone tries to visit the post you get a a message saying for example;

This post has been nuked because of suspected spam or scam

I think if the user is not satisfied with the remark he can probably go ahead to create a reputation thread about it.

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Yes.

Having said that, I would like to see not just mods giving some sort of explanation for their actions in certain cases, I would also like to see either a special board for people's complaints or at least mods answering them in Meta in a reasonable timeframe.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on May 16, 2024, 08:06:01 PM

alani123, What is the purpose of your inquiry? Did a moderator block your topic or did this idea come to you just by chance?

I believe that this is the topic that caused him to ask the question. Given that I am the one responsible for the report, I can also explain why I think the topic should have been locked.

I personally think that the topic has reached its maximum and has turned into a signature spam megathread - and the moderator who handles the report obviously agrees with that. @alani123, just so you know, I have nothing against you personally, but I think you'll agree that there are very few topics that can generate some kind of meaningful discussion after 10 pages of discussion.

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Quote from: PX-Z on May 16, 2024, 06:03:07 PM

I don't think it is based on their "own discreation" rather its based on forum rules.

Mods are allowed to act based on their discretion. The have their personal interpretation of the rules based on the case that is up for consideration.

If there is no human touch you could as well have automated bots make predetermined actions.

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Quote from: Churchillvv on May 16, 2024, 08:27:59 PM

It's up to the mod to decide whether to leave a text or post before locking a thread.

I'm my local board, I have seen @Igebotz make a post to inform the @OP of thread his reasons for locking thr thread. That shows that it's a personal decision of the moderator to share his reasons for locking the thread.

Additionally, if for sure you know that you made a thread or post and didn't lock the thread then find out that it's locked them you should know it doesn't follow one or more rules or there most be a good reason for it getting locked. And I haven't seen a scenario where an op open a thread that was locked by a mod.

I don't necessarily give explanation to why I lock a topic.

For obvious spam/low quality posts= Lock/delete without explanation.

For duplicate topics= Lock with a link to the original discussion thread.

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I think this should be something that should be implemented from the beginning. They wouldn't even need to write, there should be a pre-defined list of reasons and they would just have to choose which one applied. I know that other forums have this capability. I don't know if it's a software issue or if it was something that was disabled. But it is something that makes sense to exist.

It could be something strange, when we see a post deleted or a topic blocked, or any other moderation action, and in the end we are not sure what really happened.

Now, I also think it's difficult to change this, especially if it's a software issue. But, yes, there should be more information about moderation actions, regarding this aspect.

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It shouldn't only limited to reason why they lock the topic.

It also needs:
1. Explanation why someone post got deleted.
2. Notification to non-original poster when the topic from original poster got deleted.
3. Different logo for locked thread (locked by OP and locked by moderator).
4. Hyperlink to the reported post when someone got banned.
5. Explanation why moderator mark your report as bad.

Administrators and moderators reaction after they read my post:

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Sometimes I also ask moderators to close a topic because it is no longer relevant and the author of the topic no longer responds. What's the point of keeping an open topic whose problem has already been solved many times? Having received the report, moderators often agree to close it. But I think that an explanation about closing a topic is not necessary, since a careful look and some thinking will help a person understand why and for what reasons the topic is closed. Most often, this is the irrelevance of the question and the prevention of a megathread.

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Actually, because of I am an active member of the political section of the forum, I have noticed that when the mod there decides to lock a thread for some reason, they decide to leave a post before locking the discussion there. I have seen it happening when there are two or even three threads which are about the same topic (the criminal trials of Donald Trump) and could perfectly be discussed in the first thread opened.
I have also noticed the moderator of the section offers some warning when they realize the thread is lacking of actual value for discussion and makes clear their consideration on locking it in the future if the topic continues to devolve.

I am not aware whether it is something a couple of moderators do by their own will and etiquette or if it is something which only is supposed to happen within the political section of the forum, for the sake of keeping censorship at minimum. Huh

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It's up to the mod to decide whether to leave a text or post before locking a thread.

I'm my local board, I have seen @Igebotz make a post to inform the @OP of thread his reasons for locking thr thread. That shows that it's a personal decision of the moderator to share his reasons for locking the thread.

Additionally, if for sure you know that you made a thread or post and didn't lock the thread then find out that it's locked them you should know it doesn't follow one or more rules or there most be a good reason for it getting locked. And I haven't seen a scenario where an op open a thread that was locked by a mod.

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alani123, What is the purpose of your inquiry? Did a moderator block your topic or did this idea come to you just by chance?

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Quote from: PX-Z on May 16, 2024, 06:03:07 PM

I don't think it is based on their "own discreation" rather its based on forum rules.

I see few locked threads that there's a note/post from the mod but not as always. So yeah, it will be good to see a required note to add if the mod is going to lock a thread to avoid confusion of the OP.

Exactly mods do not act base on what they think about that thing rather they take action base on the rules of the forum, most threads are mostly locked due to spamming although there are others for some other reasons but to me the number for spam locked thread are much. And judging by that once you go through a thread that is locked you will definitely see clear reasons why it is locked.

But this doesn’t mean it won’t be a good addition that a note for the thread getting locked is stated at least it guides more members again on why they get their thread Locked. Those who will like to improve their posting habit will improve. But this will also give the mod an extra work

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator.

I don't think it is based on their "own discreation" rather its based on forum rules.

I see few locked threads that there's a note/post from the mod but not as always. So yeah, it will be good to see a required note to add if the mod is going to lock a thread to avoid confusion of the OP.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference.

There isn’t any complication on who can luck a post or not. It’s always going to be either a moderator or the OP as, no forum user can just take actions on a post that wasn’t originally created by them.

Meanwhile, a moderator note wouldn’t be so bad. As this wouldn’t only serve for the OP alone but, would in a way relate to the rest of the forum users some specifics. Mind you, only the OP would be of full knowledge on whom might have locked a thread as, if it ain’t OP’s actions, it’s definitely going to be a moderator but, the rest of the forum members can’t know that. A moderators note could however, spill this secrete as to reasons why, it would serve as a reference point and by some means, serve as a deterrent for those who would like to create similar post.

This however might be a lot of work for moderators and could be ignored since it doesn’t matter much but, it’s a thought still.

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That would be nice. I think, when mods lock a thread, they should have a select box where will be stated some reasons and they'll mark the one(s) that suit lock reason the most. By the way, I think that main reason of locking threads by moderators is to prevent spam. There are many threads where user asks basic question, that question gets answered multiple times by multiple people and then hundreds of users spam the thread.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

And also from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod, a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

As of last, I read about a locked thread by the moderator; this is not possible unless there has been a change since then.

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After the moderator or administrator closes the topic, the creator of the topic can not unlock it. If the creator tries to unlock the topic, he will receive a message:

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I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

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