Topic: Should Muslims be aloud to impose Sharia law anywhere in the United States? (Read 1849 times)

if you knew what the sharia law is, you would run away from it as far as you can go...

Since when do banks and pharmaceutical companies need guns to write laws?  Is this new?

America is an oligarchy (look it up if you need to)...

Rich people write the laws... like the Koch brothers... they don't spend $900,000,000 each year lobbying congress if they aren't making ROI on that investment...  for every billion they spend, they save 2 billion in new tax loopholes...

Forget what you learned from School House Rock about, "How a bill becomes a law"... things have changed:
How a bill becomes a law - Saturday Night Live

Your last line is why it's "okay" to impose American laws on Americans.

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anyone who thinks differently is a complete moron.

this will never happen.. because islam population is so low to make it happen .. as a usa citizen, i respect their religion but they must obey usa law not sharia law..

That's the point. You may impose your own law. And everyone else can do the same.

If you agree with the law of someone else when that other person's law is to kill you, then you die by your own law, not theirs. If they kill you without your agreement, then there is American law that the majority of us agree to that says to punish the murderer.

If we are going to have Sharia law in America, let it be done with people who understandingly volunteer to it... but no one else.

IF it's okay to "allow Sharia law..."

THEN isn't it okay to impose "NonSharia law..."

AND THEN isn't it okay for me to just impose my own law?  "You give me your eldest daughters, half your savings, and your cat.  That's my law.  Either obey it or you are going to really, really regret it, buddy."

Sharia law includes things like 'honor killings' and murdering an 'apostate' (A former Muslim who now rejects Islam)... these could never be legal in the US...

You can't impose "Sharia law" in the US because the Constitution prohibits the establishment of one religion above another (basically, no religious laws allowed)

well... except... there are a few states where a parent can choose to pray for their child's cancer instead of taking him to the hospital, without facing charges of murder/child endangerment/negligent homocide... Blows my mind, but mostly unrelated...

I have no idea what Sharia law is but sure, why not? Let's let muslims do whatever they want where ever they want it. Sure - what harm can come out of it? (said he quite worried, but still slightly amused)

Muslims can be allowed to impose Sharia law anywhere they want in America. Why? Because it is religion, and they have freedom of religion in America, just like everyone else.

The catch for Muslims is what will happen to them if they apply certain aspects of Sharia law in America.

American law trumps Sharia law. If a Muslim in America harms another person or his property, just like anyone else, he can be taken to court, and if found guilty, punished for his actions. This includes if a Muslim actually threatens someone else with a real threat.

The really difficult question has to do with how much Muslims will take. When they find that American law is much more favorable to them than Sharia law, how long will it take them to convert away from Sharia? Or if they won't convert, how much punishment will it take via the American court system until they move out of America?

Yes and must be destroyed...They have crazy laws in their country but now want to contamine whole world..no USA is free place for free people and who can not respect it or want to try to put their own laws go out

Same reasons Mormons can't have 25 wives.  You should not be able to rape a women in America because she is walking the streets alone.. Islam is a plague to this planet.

Sharia law is not the United States law. In no way should it ever be imposed. You do have rights, but they should be within a reasonable limit; the allowance of such strict procedures would not be acceptable at all.

Way to read.

Here is more stuff for you not to read.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/07/09/the-true-meaning-of-separation-of-church-and-state/print/

i rather remember this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

On topic, no of course Sharia Law (or what most people believe SHaria law is) shouldn't be imposed anywhere in the USA (or anywhere else for that matter). Any law based solely on religious texts is dangerous to civilization.

But, there's no reason to inherently deny certain parts of Islamic law if they are acceptable under the current laws of a state. One example of this would be Islamic financial laws, whereby interest is not allowed. For example, if someone wants to write up a loan with zero interest, based on Sharia law, then there's no reason why they shouldn't, as long as they are acceptable under state law.

There's also a lot of confusion over what exactly Sharia law is. From https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law:


You're fucking talking bollocks again Bryant. Local laws are certainly in force in these cities. Are you implying that theives are getting their hands cut off in Brussels, or people are being beheaded in Oldham for adultery? You got any sources for this dangerous nonsense you keep spouting?

There may be specific laws that are allowed (such as the zero interest law I mentioned earlier), but they're not being imposed on everyone in the city because that would be against state law.

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I really wish there would be more shakira law in germany

USA is a free country for free people and freedom is respected. If they want sharia law better to stay in Saudi Arabia, Afganistan...and they can enjoy their law..The main problem is they make their getos in USA cities, and secretly they practice that law..but not in public, other people avoid their quarts...

As an Anarchist I resent that statement.

The real question is, should Muslims be aloud to be soloud?   

None of this has anything to do with what I just explained about religion and government. This isn't a reply to my comment but a statement after it with no consideration for the premise whatsoever. Like I said, just bias bleeding out in the guise of a response.

I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I never said that "religion is bad" I said some religions are bad. I think Christianity, Buddhism Hinduism, and a lot of other religions never been "designed" to be oppressive and (originally) were not aimed for world domination. Of course nearly off of these religions were used as tools for oppression and domination by some ambitious people, but on their own these religions were targeting improvement of individuals and communities. On the other hand there are some other religions like Islam and mesoamerican religions what were especially "designed" for conquest, domination and enslaving others. These are what I consider bad for a multi-ethnic, multi-religion society. 

Way to ignore everything I just posted and fall to your previously held belief of "religion bad!"

Indeed, but some law and religions have developed a lot, some other religions and law systems are still there were they were fifteen hundred years ago. Perpetuality and sticking to old traditions are nice things in many areas but not that great in law.

Technically all law is based on religion. If you research the history of law it all goes back to religious texts, some of which are still in use word for word today in modern law. There is some debatable value to some of these laws as most people agree murder, theft, rape, and other forms of crime are in opposition to the foundation of a civil society even though the laws have a religious origin. Most people misunderstand the concept of separation of church and state. Many people assume that it means all concepts of faith and God should be removed from law and government. In reality it means that the government is not allowed to infringe on any individual's right to practice their religion as long as it does not bring direct harm to others. This was a direct reference to Britain's hybridization with the church, and meant to prohibit such an arrangement between any church and the US government.

The most important thing to remember about the relationship between God and law is not about cloudmen looking down and judging you, but the concept that there is something higher than government, higher than money, and higher than man itself that we should all pay respect too religious or not. To ignore this is to literally give the government all of the powers reserved for the commonwealth/God, and if you didn't believe before, you will pray God does exist after seeing the very real hell that results when men try to abuse all of the authority and rights formerly reserved by "God"/the commonwealth. Without this distinction we are literally nothing more than property. I don't think most people want this regardless of their beliefs.

Of course not. USA is multi ethnic society so if every ethnic/religion group would impose their law there would be anarchy. If anyone dont like USA law, he can always go back where he belong.

Very simply said, sharia law is civil law based on the religion of Islam. Civil law is essentially governmental dictatorship over people.

In America, Canada, the U.K., Australia, and to a lesser extent, India, we have common law of the people. Common law of the people is law where the people can overrule government except when people harm other people.

The wealthy of the world would like to do away with the common law of the people so that they can rule by making slaves of the people. They are succeeding through keeping the people ignorant. Few people nowadays know how to use the common law of the people to put government down.

No no no no no no no no, a thousand times no.  I agree, their laws should stay in their homeland.  My personal view is that any religious law is silly and superstition-based and has no part in a modern society.  So I would vigorously oppose Sharia law in the US. 

Judge Judy has a court of the basic kind that we have in the States. It is a man/woman against man/woman court direct. I don't know if Judge Judy is real, but the process is real, in real courts.

Take your friendly, neighborhood Muslim to court for every little thing he harms you with. And sue him for every false claim/complaint against you in every area that he tries to sue you when you haven't harmed him with real harm or damage. It's the law. You can do it.

But, if you harm him, he just might figure out how to use our laws against you. So, be careful.

The Shakira law is spreading like cancer. In some of the Muslim majority European cities such as Brussels, Oldham and Burnley, the local laws are no longer in force. On the other hand, the Shakira law is having the ultimate authority. That said, I don't think that it will be easy to impose it in the United States. The Muslim population is quite low there, unlike that in Europe.

United States is a secular country (lol, I can't believe I wrote this) so their need is nothing for government.
They have free speech, they can yell at sharia but they won't get sharia rules anywhere.

What is sharia law?

I like you. Migrants should adapt to the country they're going to, not the other way around.

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Same sort of question...Should i be aloud to go anywhere in the United States and kick anyone i want in the bollocks   MAYBE TEXAS

Absolutely not. Here's the thing: In the United States we enjoy many freedoms, as we all know, so there is no reason to go into detail. But if you truly do not know, just Google U.S. Constitution. Sharia "law" is contrary to those freedoms we enjoy. So, why is this even a question?

Maybe we should keep Islamic church and state separate by chopping all the Muslims in half.

 

Our constitution makes it clear that church and state are to be separate.

If you choose to keep laws based on your religion, that's fine by me as long as they don't interfere with the rights of others.

But you can not impose your religious laws on me.

The justification behind any law needs to be secular justification, not religious justification.

Exactly, I don't even understand why people are considering this, also, do you people even realise how fucked up Sharia law actually is? It's fucking ridiculous to even consider adopting the laws of a Theocratic Dictatorship which is pretty much what countries who follow Islam are.

No. There shouldn't even be a debate about this. That would be the most blatant violation of the 1st Amendment. If Christians can't have a cross in the public square, Sharia law most definitely can't be imposed anywhere on U.S. soil.

Only if they can show where it is found in the Quran! because Sharia Law was not written by the Prophet is written by Imam who says this is what the Prophet meant.

yup! they should respect and adopt the law where they live, it would be disrepectful if they continue to do this in a non muslim country.

If you want sharia law go live in a sharia country.

Do not try to impose your beliefs on a country gracious enough to take you in.

If I went to live in Saudi im sure they would respect my wishes to follow UK law and ignore Sharia 

No, it's not the official law. Imposing them on random citizens will likely get them sent to Gitmo.

If they are living in the States, so they should adapt to the local circumstances, not the opposite. If they don't like that, nobody will block them to move somewhere else what is more suitable for their beliefs. BTW for US citizens or residents accepting and honouring the Constitution is mandatory, I guess.

do we still use the inquisition to judge people?
sharia law is pretty much the same.

If I understand well, in USA is only one law, one constitution and one President.
Sharia law is very strict and radical law, against any law in the USA, specially regarding women rights, freedom etc.
No, we can't allow Sharia law in any western country. Muslims should accept our culture and laws, not the opposite.

No. There shouldn't even be a debate about this. That would be the most blatant violation of the 1st Amendment. If Christians can't have a cross in the public square, Sharia law most definitely can't be imposed anywhere on U.S.

they should not be allowed in the country

No, why? its not a muslim country, i respect muslims, but their laws should stay on their home country

Should Muslims be aloud to impose Sharia law anywhere in the United Sates? in a way that will affect non muslims