Topic: SHOULD RAPE VICTIMS ABORT THEIR UNBORN KIDS? (Read 303 times)

This is why I no longer advocate for a simple and easy safety protocol that will prevent the next 5 pandemics and unstoppable superbacteria.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Inasmuch as I don't support rape; I don't think it will be the best idea for rape victims to go ahead to abort an innocent baby that is a product of rape. What is right for the rape victim to do, is to run a general test of her body to determine whether she's tested positive for HIV or not. That should be the major concern of everyone who knows the rape victim, that the rape victim and the unborn kid are not contacted by the HIV from the rapist. If they are not, the rape victim should put away shame from her face and train the kid because nobody knows what the future holds for the innocent baby that is a product of rape. He or she can wipe away the tears of the rape mother by becoming someone great in the future

Sorry but that does not make sense. Many states have effectively opted for not giving people a choice. Even after having popular initiatives saying that most of the people were not happy with that State law, it was kept.

The way to give people freedom and choice is as simple to effectively give them the choice at US level. That is actually a no-brainer. You are not ever forced to not allow the embrio to grow into a human. If your moral or beliefs do not allow you to do so, you do not.

As things are you are giving people the "freedom to leave the state", which many simply cannot. Let's be honest, this laws affect much more the poor. People with means with take a trip to New York and buy something on 5th Ave as they walk out of the clinic.

I haven’t changed my mind. Part of having the states make the decision is that women (couples) have multiple choices which expand their personal options. If there was just one federal decision, that takes away from people’s personal options. I usually agree with what gives people the most freedom, so it is a no brainer to have different states offering Americans different options on abortion. It isn’t like these women are locked inside their state when they get pregnant. More choices is a good thing.

I have not been a big supporter of abortion but rape should be a good reason to relax anti-abortion laws. Nobody will want to keep a child conceived through rape because it brings back bad memories. It is also believed that the offspring of a rapist might inherit some criminal behaviour from the father. The social stigma of rape and having an illegitimate child is also heartbreaking.

The choice to keep a pregnancy from rape should be open to the victim. She should be the one to decide whether to keep or abort the child. Nobody should force her to keep or abort the child.

But our youths should be sensitized on how to handle rape issues. They must report the incident immediately so that medical procedures can be adopted to avoid pregnancy.

Exactly, I think the world needs cleansing from violent and evil thoughts, it would be very unfair to murder and unborn innocent child due to silly act of some stupid man who couldn't control his manhood.
 I know how traumatising rape could be to their victims especially when the outcome of it leads to unwanted pregnancy but then children are blessings from our maker and instead cutting short the life of an unborn a therapeutic aid should be rendered to rape victims to help them ease the trauma and learn to love the child after delivery.

Oh that is interesting coming from you, because you have repeatedly said that in the US that is a decision that is left to the States. Have you change your mind and abortion is now a personal decision (but only if you live north of Richmond or something like that?)

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Then you inform her and she will make the decision knowing that. You do not need to decide for her, like you would not decide for her on a breast implant or a radical cancer treatment.



Then you tell her the options and she decides how attached she is to the future child of her rapist (currently just a bunch of cells no more human than an amoeba). SHE takes the decision not you and your twisted ideas about women.

It's very traumatic for those raped victims. Infact, with the the brain capable of storing memories, aborting a raped child won't clear the horrible thoughts though having bearing to keep the pregnancy could worsen the sad memory and mentally affects the mother. Especially if the child has always been against the mothers wills.
I'd also subject that those victims should be decided if they want to keep the Child or not and not strickly in an authority order because some mothers could afford to live perfectly with the child without those negative effects.

Another reason is that when a woman undergoes this operation to remove a fetus in their reproductive system, she may not ever carry a child again in her entire life. So many old ladies already regretted what they have done when they were in their 20s because they aborted a child before and there is no going back to that time.

Why should an innocent victim (unborn baby) be executed for his or her father's crime?
The guilty rapist should be executed!

It’s such a loaded question that has so many variances. What if the Mother is a child herself, what if the rapist is an abusive family member? Rape is such a traumatic experience for any woman unfortunate enough to be the victim of it. I just think that the choice should be with the victim of the rape (the Mother). Nobody should be able to force them to go through with the pregnancy because it can cause all kinds of problems for the baby & Mother.

What a traumatising period it would be for these women. First they were forcefully sexualized and secondly forced by the government to go through the pains of childbearing and motherhood.

Women have choices, they should be able to decide what they want to do with their bodies,  especially on the issue of motherhood. These women who were raped are victims, keeping that pregnancy for the entire period of nine months can be traumatizing and dangerous to the mother and even the foetus. It will really be helpful if raped victims are given that right to decide if they want to keep the pregnancy or not.

The greater punishment should go the rapists and abusers. Rape is a serious offence punishable under the law. Instead of focusing on the woman who got pregnant through an unlawful act, all the attention should be focused on ensuring that these victims get justice.

I think rape victims should be given the option to choose, regardless. We know abortion is not a good thing, but we should be there to provide comfort and help guide their decision-making. We shouldn't make it seem like 'you shouldn't abort this child' or 'you must abort this child', causing more confusion and pressure for them. Instead, we should be there for them, offering help, talking to them, and guiding their mindset so they can make the right decision.

Some might say raising a child conceived through rape will cause trauma while growing up and create distance for mother-child love. However, the memory of being raped will still linger child or no child. There will always be flashbacks. This person will always remember they were once raped, regardless of whether they have a child or not. We shouldn't pin it on raising a child that's when memories will resurface. They will forever remember.

So, I don't think aborting a child conceived through rape will erase the trauma. If victims have a support system - family and friends - who keep talking to them and being there for them, they will quickly move forward and start seeing that child as a blessing rather than a reminder of a painful experience. Ultimately, I believe rape victims need support, not pressure to make rushed decisions.

We need to help such people, not poison them. Our society is too violent.

I never support abortion because I have the believe that if a woman should have consensual unprotected sex with a man, then she shouldn't abort the unborn if she's not ready for motherhood yet. People should take responsibilities for their actions, so abortion shouldn't be a moral option for women who are not ready to be mothers.

But in the case of rape, it means that it's not a consensual unprotected intimacy with a man, therefore I believe that the woman has the right to have an abortion. I believe that as long as you see the child, you'll always remember the rape incident and it can affect the bond between mother and child. Women should be left to make a decision whether to abort pregnancy or not if they were raped. If she feels that she can't handle the trauma of raising a child that she was raped to conceive, then I believe that she's moral right to abort the unborn child.

 It's a sad experience that no one wants to go through so those who have found themselves in such a situation have valid reasons to about the babies but I'm of the opinion that it still comes down to choice of the mother.
Where I come from, there are currently 29 SEXUALLY ASSAULTED REFERRAL CENTRES (SARCS) where these victims can easily walk into if they are close or get to know about the place from people and don't have to worry about being stigmatized for something that isn't their fault although for most of the victims, they were assaulted by individuals who are supposed to be close to them or ones they trust and are sometimes threatened to keep quiet and as such don't get access to these agencies and would be so depressed to even think of anything else aside from either suicide or how to quietly flush the child.
 Although it's not easy for these rape victims, I've seen some who end up keeping the baby and refuse to see the child as a product of something evil, rather choosing to shower love and and attention and also later moving on to become voices for those who can't speak up when they encounter such sad experience.

you're being biased with your argument and somehow, you're far from the reality on ground. Are you trying to say that a rape victim deserves equal punishment as the rapist just because she's not strong enough to carry a child of a man that abused her? You know, there are a lot of ways to look at these things based on what we've seen that's happening in the society and when you make certain comparison, you might just conclude that it is best that abortion is done to take out all the stigma the child will come to experience in front of the mother who will associate him to the pain his father caused her, the relative on the other hand might speak evil of the child and even the society might not be positive on there own side.

If it's from the angle where the mother decides to keep the child because she wants to avoid the complications that comes with abortion  or it's based on her believe system in abortion or she's afraid that she might never have a child again, then that should be her decision to make and it should be something she's ready to live with and work with the child through the challenges she might face while growing up. It's easy to write about this on a media platform because you're not the victim, if you're the victim, then you will understand that commiting suicide is an option some people that aren't strong enough might end up taking.

gotta love the clan that want gun freedoms and ability to defend property and think a trespasser is free to be shot and it not be murder,
..but a woman whom ends a pregnancy of a foetus that has never even drawn breath to be treated as murder, even if it is trespassing on her property(body)

im a guy nd even i can see this is all about some highly paid lobby group spreading dumb scripts to dumb political fanboys to try to take peoples personal choices about their own body away.. these idiots need to think outside the social media scripts they have been taught to recite and actually put things into real prospective of reality, biology and matter of fact.

lessons:
the woman is the life support machine, she gets ultimate decision making power
the foetus is not even a registered birth nor citizen during pregnancy, thus not the property/responsibility of the government
even as a potential parent the potential child does not have full rights nor consent status. its upto the parent to make medical decisions

the morning after pill is not a traumatic event, its just a 'big flow' period. the zygote has no consciousness
the morning after pill is not a traumatic event, its just a 'big flow' period. the embryo has no consciousness

Now that the government is doing most of the welfare, it is costing us a lot more money with worse results.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Before politics and government got into it, welfare was done by the church. And it still is, even though it has been curtailed somewhat by government.

I think for me is depending on the state where the person comes from if abortion is permitted. However my number one and kind advice will be for the mother to abort the baby, because delivering that baby and nurturing that baby will always be traumatic for her because she will be remembering the rape incident and the consequences of bringing up a child without a father figure in the life of that baby, which will make the baby grow up with a stigma within and around as people will be pointing to the fact that this is a child from rape incident, so in order to avoid all of this hullabaloo, it is better she aborts the baby to save face.

If you pay someone 500,000 dollars or however much it takes for the mother to be willing to raise the baby, then you can blame her. But otherwise, you should just shut the fuck up. Anti-abortion activists are willing to do anything other than commit their own resources to raising the children. If you are a pro-lifer, then it is your responsibility to adopt and properly raise as many otherwise aborted babies as possible. Otherwise, STFU.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Exactly!

The mother may be emotionally unstable because of the rape, but she is attached to her child no matter who the father is. If she murders her child, she will always regret it.

Anybody who says that there is something like 'natural selection' is accepting an oxymoron idea. The idea of selection means that there is intelligence behind it. But the term is associated with the idea of randomness, and no intelligence. Talk about idiots.

Wouldn't the right of the kid also violated?

The trauma is already there. Whether someone will remind her every time or not, its still there. The rape victim can move on in time but adding another traumatic experience like abortion will not be a solution also.
Regardless of who the father is, the kid will be a big help for the mother. She will not regret it once the kid grows the way she wants. The kid just need to be raised and nurtured and be loved to make life worth it. Just something to think about.

Women will risk everything to have a kid actually. Maybe depends to the kind of woman the victim is but once she grows older, she will rethink like Beth. (yellowstone)

This is a crazy question for so many reasons. Ultimately every woman should make her own decision and nobody wants to raise a kid that looks like their rapist. Rapists also shouldn’t get to procreate that way. However, getting your rapist for child support for 18 years isn’t the worst revenge, especially if the rapist was well off.

If raping is a sexual offense then abortion too is a murdering offence. This is not just terminating the lives of the unborn but also risking the lives of the mothers who bears pregnant for the rapists.

I literally don't think abortion pregnancies conceived by rapping would bring an end to rapes but having no mercy justice for those accomplice of rapping is the best option.

Muchly, aborting pregnancies by rapes would not cleanse a total memory of such experience so I don't see it helpful for rapped victims.

And still, giving birth to the child and putting it for adoption may sound as a more humane idea in the mind of the conservative right and the MAGA movement within the United States. The problem comes when the Republican party is not willing to fund anything which could help those children to have a normal life and find a couple willing to adopt them. It is already difficult to live without having children, imagine how difficult it could be with one or two children which you decided to adopt.
If the Republican party and the convertible right wanted less abortions, then they could put some tax benefits on the table for those who adopt children and those who decide to have planed children as well.

I am not a woman, so I cannot have an accurate ideal on how traumatic being pregnant from a rape could be.

alot of sheep would suggest to birth the child and to then give it over to government(adoption/fostering/child services) to avoid the reminder. but even this is still situations where other people are trying to control the womans choices and consent over her own body, she may not want to go through the pregnancy nor the birth.
even the 9 months of pregnancy is a traumatic psychological affecting period, whereby an X minute rape trauma turns into a 9 month constant reminder trauma, even if the end result is putting the child up for adoption

Do you want these people with crime and sociopathy genes who were conceived of rape to be a part of our society? Because I don't. They will commit crimes and ruin us all. You don't care about this because you are a flaming liberal who just wants the criminals to go free and commit crimes everywhere. That is despicable.

If they do raise the child, the child will probably be abused severely to the point where it grows up to be a complete and total menace to society.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

One must keep in mind which is the state of mind of a woman who was raped and finds herself to be bearing the child of her rapist. The rape itself is traumatic enough form them, some of them could even consider to end their life because of the stigma and trauma they are going through.
Are women capable of forgiving and forgetting about such a way they were assaulted and see their pregnancy with a different optics or point of view? Most won't be able to do so, in the eyes of those who may decide to keep the children of a rapist are continuously going to remember the assault each time they see their child. Not even mention the hardships and difficulties which come from rasing a child alone, in a world dominated by men.

It is a very specific controversial topic and I honestly think each woman should decide on it, whether they are willing to raise the child of a rapist or not.

Whatever the answer to that question or even to the statement "abort kids" as opposed to abort "cells" - already biased - is not "they must do what you think they should". In other words, you do not get a say on what a women does with her body nor get a say on how many, when and how she decides to have children.

Keep you religion out of people's uterus, it does not belong there and you probably would not ever understand what you are talking about (starting by writing in capitals, which already shows something about you).

gotta love the standard social media replies from sheep who dont think for themselves, you can usualy spot the posters that are both male, have no kids but wish to bootlick the government lobby groups which wish to overstep their authority and involvement in a persons life

this whole argument of if the mother can make life decisions over their offspring is not actually about "murder" its more about a lobbying group using social media to sway the public into thinking that the government should be the sole guardians of children, instead of their own parent(s), and abortion is the first step into legitimising this control over every aspect of control

firstly no man should decide on what women should do with their bodies.. and whilst gestating, a woman has full authority and medical proxy over the foetus. she is the one that is the life support, the incubator.. much like a family has next of kin/medical proxy status over an elderly relative in a coma deciding on things like turning off the life support.

until the ~24th week of pregnancy a foetus has no self sovereignty nor self control nor self sustainability to live without the life support of the mother, so yes the mother has all decision power over the foetus

a foetus under 24th week is not a viable "child", even in law it has not been born to even be certified as a citizen of a government. even with a birthed child, the child is by law not given the ability to give consent until its an adult. the responsibility of events happening to a child reside with the parents giving their consent of the child. thus it remains the parents duty, not a child, not a government to make many medical decisions

a foetus does not have the self awareness to ponder on the possibility or be upset that it wont get to be a firemen when its older due to its mother decisions and i find it laughable how the sheep of social media pretend that a mother aborting a foetus is anywhere close to the same as murdering a birthed child

there are many differences between a birthed child vs a foetus.. a foetus's situation is much the same as a elderly relative in a coma on life support whereby the family have to decide on switching off life support, and no thats not murder either

Are you trying to discriminate rape victims or children given birth out of rape. As far as I know, we are all humans despite how you came into the world, because it wasn't those rape victims fault that they found themselves in such mess.

What I would say is that anyone that was raped should immediately go for test and check up so that you can make up your decisions if you will keep the pregnancy or not before it's too late, in case the rapist got you pregnant because the baby hasn't formed yet.

Natural selection favors rape because rape is a legitimate (but obviously evil) strategy to passing their genes to future generations. And these rape genes help explain why humans are so f@#$ed up. So I have an idea. Why don't we make the penalty for rape just death with torture? And every mother of a baby conceived by rape must either abort or sign a paper that makes them permanently barred from attaining any government benefits including a public school education. Furthermore, every baby conceived by rape must be genetically tested for rape genes, crime genes, sociopathy genes, and for other ailments especially in the case of incest, and they should be required to disclose all of this information to any sexual partners before engaging in any sexual activity including kissing and cuddling. The sexual partners must then read and sign a consent document stating that their partner was conceived by rape and that their partner is of a low genetic quality and that only a fucking piece of shit would want to be with this kind of person.

CRIME GENES ARE REAL!

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Yes, rape is a deeply traumatic experience, but an innocent child should not pay for it. While society has stigmatized rape victims, I understand this might be reason enough to want to abort evidence of such an occurrence or not want to nurture the seed of a rapist. However, as much as the child comes from those circumstances, they are also a victim and a mother's love is enough to overcome whatever hate and issues may arise.

Moreover, let us not overlook the fact that some women can only give birth to one child and, unknowingly, they abort the baby because it came through rape, only to regret it later in life. Additionally, consider the dangers of abortion, as there is a possibility that the victim can lose her life in that process.

In conclusion, being a rape victim is not your fault. Deciding to keep a child conceived through such an incident is not cowardly or shameful; rather, it is bravery. So, walk with your head held high, nurture that child, and be proud of yourself.