Topic: Should the psychologist have poured the drain cleaner and blinded this lady? (Read 641 times)
October 05, 2015, 10:50:53 PM
Donating sounds great.. until you realize that no doctor is going to remove the perfectly healthy corneas from a perfectly healthy woman
October 05, 2015, 12:32:07 PM
Doing no harm can be argued from either side in this case. She may have sought out an even more dangerous method to blind herself. In this case, denying her "treatment" or "negligence" could be blamed on the psychologist.
While also the obvious is present; The psychologist is doing "harm" by "treating" her. In a sense, the zeitgeist has been positioned towards "Individual Satisfaction" as long as it does not interfere on a grander scale.
If this woman is truly experiencing an increased quality of life by blinding herself, then so be it and I encourage everyone who is a closet-blind to use her as an example; Hopefully having the courage to fulfill their desires and live their lives to the fullest.
While also the obvious is present; The psychologist is doing "harm" by "treating" her. In a sense, the zeitgeist has been positioned towards "Individual Satisfaction" as long as it does not interfere on a grander scale.
If this woman is truly experiencing an increased quality of life by blinding herself, then so be it and I encourage everyone who is a closet-blind to use her as an example; Hopefully having the courage to fulfill their desires and live their lives to the fullest.
She should have been treated in another way. If she was liable to hurt herself, she could have been put in an institution because she's liable to do harm to herself if she's not being watched.
She "says" she got a psychologist to do it. I don't believe that, she just doesn't want to admit she did it herself, it legitimizes it by pretending a professional did it.
Perhaps. But I think it would be difficult to put the drain cleaner in your eye once it starts hurting, your natural body reaction would be to turn away or close your eyes. I think that's pretty telling about why you shouldn't be doing it, IMHO.
Did you look at her picture?
No wonder she wanted to be blind
Everyone can do what they want as long as they dont harm anyone else imho.
No wonder she wanted to be blind
Everyone can do what they want as long as they dont harm anyone else imho.
Like the psychologist harming the woman?
In this case i think both of them are nutjobs and losing them from the genepool would have positive effects for the future of men.
October 05, 2015, 10:43:08 AM
Doing no harm can be argued from either side in this case. She may have sought out an even more dangerous method to blind herself. In this case, denying her "treatment" or "negligence" could be blamed on the psychologist.
While also the obvious is present; The psychologist is doing "harm" by "treating" her. In a sense, the zeitgeist has been positioned towards "Individual Satisfaction" as long as it does not interfere on a grander scale.
If this woman is truly experiencing an increased quality of life by blinding herself, then so be it and I encourage everyone who is a closet-blind to use her as an example; Hopefully having the courage to fulfill their desires and live their lives to the fullest.
While also the obvious is present; The psychologist is doing "harm" by "treating" her. In a sense, the zeitgeist has been positioned towards "Individual Satisfaction" as long as it does not interfere on a grander scale.
If this woman is truly experiencing an increased quality of life by blinding herself, then so be it and I encourage everyone who is a closet-blind to use her as an example; Hopefully having the courage to fulfill their desires and live their lives to the fullest.
She should have been treated in another way. If she was liable to hurt herself, she could have been put in an institution because she's liable to do harm to herself if she's not being watched.
She "says" she got a psychologist to do it. I don't believe that, she just doesn't want to admit she did it herself, it legitimizes it by pretending a professional did it.
Perhaps. But I think it would be difficult to put the drain cleaner in your eye once it starts hurting, your natural body reaction would be to turn away or close your eyes. I think that's pretty telling about why you shouldn't be doing it, IMHO.
Did you look at her picture?
No wonder she wanted to be blind
Everyone can do what they want as long as they dont harm anyone else imho.
No wonder she wanted to be blind
Everyone can do what they want as long as they dont harm anyone else imho.
Like the psychologist harming the woman?
October 05, 2015, 07:34:38 AM
Did you look at her picture?
No wonder she wanted to be blind
Everyone can do what they want as long as they dont harm anyone else imho.
No wonder she wanted to be blind
Everyone can do what they want as long as they dont harm anyone else imho.
October 05, 2015, 01:48:47 AM
She "says" she got a psychologist to do it. I don't believe that, she just doesn't want to admit she did it herself, it legitimizes it by pretending a professional did it.
October 04, 2015, 11:03:53 PM
Doing no harm can be argued from either side in this case. She may have sought out an even more dangerous method to blind herself. In this case, denying her "treatment" or "negligence" could be blamed on the psychologist.
While also the obvious is present; The psychologist is doing "harm" by "treating" her. In a sense, the zeitgeist has been positioned towards "Individual Satisfaction" as long as it does not interfere on a grander scale.
If this woman is truly experiencing an increased quality of life by blinding herself, then so be it and I encourage everyone who is a closet-blind to use her as an example; Hopefully having the courage to fulfill their desires and live their lives to the fullest.
While also the obvious is present; The psychologist is doing "harm" by "treating" her. In a sense, the zeitgeist has been positioned towards "Individual Satisfaction" as long as it does not interfere on a grander scale.
If this woman is truly experiencing an increased quality of life by blinding herself, then so be it and I encourage everyone who is a closet-blind to use her as an example; Hopefully having the courage to fulfill their desires and live their lives to the fullest.
October 04, 2015, 09:42:31 PM
The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. Of historic and traditional value, the oath is considered a rite of passage for practitioners of medicine in many countries, although nowadays various modernized versions are often used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
Thanks for posting that. I have never really looked at it closely before. A couple of things stand out to me.
1) "I swear by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius the surgeon, likewise Hygeia and Panacea, and call all the gods and goddesses to witness, that I will observe and keep this underwritten oath, to the utmost of my power and judgment."
No Christian or Jewish person should be swearing the oath to false gods, if this is required to be a doctor, there should be no Christian or Jewish doctors. I would think that the first commandment of having no other god before the Lord would count for Jewish people. But there is definitely a no-oath policy in the bible. Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
2) "With regard to healing the sick, I will devise and order for them the best diet, according to my judgment and means; and I will take care that they suffer no hurt or damage."
The people forcing vaccines aren't really paying attention to that one.
3) "Nor shall any man's entreaty prevail upon me to administer poison to anyone; neither will I counsel any man to do so. Moreover, I will give no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child."
I wonder if the abortion doctor's took this oath...
4) "Whatever, in the course of my practice, I may see or hear (even when not invited), whatever I may happen to obtain knowledge of, if it be not proper to repeat it, I will keep sacred and secret within my own breast."
"I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug." (modern version)
Loosely related, reminds me of story: the Anesthesiologist trashes sedated patient — and it ends up costing her
Ah. I see the ones I quoted are no longer oaths being used in the modern age. lol
But I digress, back to the heart of the discussion, "First do no harm."
She had to look for a "sympathetic" psychologist to harm her, and IMHO, the doctor should be charged with harming her. But they probably won't be.
As EthanB was discussing....this is actually supremely related to the sex-change movement. See, those were thought of as having body integrity identity disorder (BIID) back in the day, and since society (in general) has accepted them cutting off parts of their body to feel "normal" or "right" then it's only logical society should accept people blinding themselves or cutting off their legs if they want to feel they are not supposed to have them, or adding horns, if they feel they should have been born with horns, etc.
People argued about it back then, that it would be a slippery slope. This seems to be the way society is headed.
October 04, 2015, 09:05:03 PM
I just dont understand why drain cleaner? I m sure there. Is someting else. Weird.
I agree, using drain cleaner seems to be an extremely poor choice for the method.
October 04, 2015, 08:59:01 PM
I just dont understand why drain cleaner? I m sure there. Is someting else. Weird.
October 04, 2015, 08:18:17 PM
Should the psychologist have poured the drain cleaner and blinded this lady?
North Carolina Woman Identifies As Blind, Pours Drain Cleaner In Her Eyes
North Carolina Woman Identifies As Blind, Pours Drain Cleaner In Her Eyes
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A woman in North Carolina is attracting media attention for telling her story about pouring drain cleaner in her eyes because she identifies as a blind person.
Jewel Shuping was born with perfectly healthy eyes, but she told Barcroft TV in a recent interview that growing up there was always something missing.
“By the time I was six I remember that thinking about being blind made me feel comfortable,” she said. She fantasized constantly about losing her vision, and spent hours staring directly at the sun after her mother warned her that it would damage her eyes.
At first, Shuping simply pretended to be blind, going about with sunglasses on, her eyes closed, and using a cane to navigate. She also became fluent in braille. But after a while, that just wasn’t enough.
“By the time I was 21 it was a non-stop alarm that was going off,” she says in the video. So, she did the only rational thing: She got a sympathetic psychologist to pour drain cleaner in her eyes.
“I laid down on the sofa, and he sat next to me, dropped two drops into each eye,” she says matter-of-factly. “In the moment, all I could think of was ‘I’m going blind, it’s going to be okay.'”
“When I woke up the following day, I was joyful, until I turned on my back, opened my eyes, and could see the TV screen,” she says. Then, thankfully, over the next six months her eyes gradually failed due to the damage, and Shuping was finally blind like she’d always dreamed. She says she has no regrets.
“I really feel this is the way I was supposed to be born, that I should have been blind from birth,” she told Barcroft.
Shuping initially told family members her blindness was due to an accident, but they later found out the truth, and both her mother and sister cut off contact.
Officially, Shuping’s desire to be blind is labeled body integrity identity disorder (BIID), an ailment where people with healthy bodies strongly desire a disability. Most of those with the disorder seek to amputate healthy limbs, though, while Shuping’s desire to mutilate her eyes is less common. Those who seek to become disabled in this way often are described, and identify as, “transabled.”
Shuping is willing to admit that her self-mutilation stems from a disorder, and she says she hopes others don’t follow her path.
“Don’t go blind the way I did. I know there is a need but perhaps someday there will be treatment for it.”
Jewel Shuping was born with perfectly healthy eyes, but she told Barcroft TV in a recent interview that growing up there was always something missing.
“By the time I was six I remember that thinking about being blind made me feel comfortable,” she said. She fantasized constantly about losing her vision, and spent hours staring directly at the sun after her mother warned her that it would damage her eyes.
At first, Shuping simply pretended to be blind, going about with sunglasses on, her eyes closed, and using a cane to navigate. She also became fluent in braille. But after a while, that just wasn’t enough.
“By the time I was 21 it was a non-stop alarm that was going off,” she says in the video. So, she did the only rational thing: She got a sympathetic psychologist to pour drain cleaner in her eyes.
“I laid down on the sofa, and he sat next to me, dropped two drops into each eye,” she says matter-of-factly. “In the moment, all I could think of was ‘I’m going blind, it’s going to be okay.'”
“When I woke up the following day, I was joyful, until I turned on my back, opened my eyes, and could see the TV screen,” she says. Then, thankfully, over the next six months her eyes gradually failed due to the damage, and Shuping was finally blind like she’d always dreamed. She says she has no regrets.
“I really feel this is the way I was supposed to be born, that I should have been blind from birth,” she told Barcroft.
Shuping initially told family members her blindness was due to an accident, but they later found out the truth, and both her mother and sister cut off contact.
Officially, Shuping’s desire to be blind is labeled body integrity identity disorder (BIID), an ailment where people with healthy bodies strongly desire a disability. Most of those with the disorder seek to amputate healthy limbs, though, while Shuping’s desire to mutilate her eyes is less common. Those who seek to become disabled in this way often are described, and identify as, “transabled.”
Shuping is willing to admit that her self-mutilation stems from a disorder, and she says she hopes others don’t follow her path.
“Don’t go blind the way I did. I know there is a need but perhaps someday there will be treatment for it.”
I think that there would have been alternatives to pouring drain cleaner in the lady's eyes.. However, if it's proper practice to "mutilate" a human's body to the extent that they identify as another gender then I simple see this as an extension of that mindset towards the acceptance of what makes the individual comfortable.
October 04, 2015, 08:08:29 PM
The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. Of historic and traditional value, the oath is considered a rite of passage for practitioners of medicine in many countries, although nowadays various modernized versions are often used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
October 04, 2015, 07:14:07 PM
Should the psychologist have poured the drain cleaner and blinded this lady?
North Carolina Woman Identifies As Blind, Pours Drain Cleaner In Her Eyes
North Carolina Woman Identifies As Blind, Pours Drain Cleaner In Her Eyes
Quote
A woman in North Carolina is attracting media attention for telling her story about pouring drain cleaner in her eyes because she identifies as a blind person.
Jewel Shuping was born with perfectly healthy eyes, but she told Barcroft TV in a recent interview that growing up there was always something missing.
“By the time I was six I remember that thinking about being blind made me feel comfortable,” she said. She fantasized constantly about losing her vision, and spent hours staring directly at the sun after her mother warned her that it would damage her eyes.
At first, Shuping simply pretended to be blind, going about with sunglasses on, her eyes closed, and using a cane to navigate. She also became fluent in braille. But after a while, that just wasn’t enough.
“By the time I was 21 it was a non-stop alarm that was going off,” she says in the video. So, she did the only rational thing: She got a sympathetic psychologist to pour drain cleaner in her eyes.
“I laid down on the sofa, and he sat next to me, dropped two drops into each eye,” she says matter-of-factly. “In the moment, all I could think of was ‘I’m going blind, it’s going to be okay.'”
“When I woke up the following day, I was joyful, until I turned on my back, opened my eyes, and could see the TV screen,” she says. Then, thankfully, over the next six months her eyes gradually failed due to the damage, and Shuping was finally blind like she’d always dreamed. She says she has no regrets.
“I really feel this is the way I was supposed to be born, that I should have been blind from birth,” she told Barcroft.
Shuping initially told family members her blindness was due to an accident, but they later found out the truth, and both her mother and sister cut off contact.
Officially, Shuping’s desire to be blind is labeled body integrity identity disorder (BIID), an ailment where people with healthy bodies strongly desire a disability. Most of those with the disorder seek to amputate healthy limbs, though, while Shuping’s desire to mutilate her eyes is less common. Those who seek to become disabled in this way often are described, and identify as, “transabled.”
Shuping is willing to admit that her self-mutilation stems from a disorder, and she says she hopes others don’t follow her path.
“Don’t go blind the way I did. I know there is a need but perhaps someday there will be treatment for it.”
Jewel Shuping was born with perfectly healthy eyes, but she told Barcroft TV in a recent interview that growing up there was always something missing.
“By the time I was six I remember that thinking about being blind made me feel comfortable,” she said. She fantasized constantly about losing her vision, and spent hours staring directly at the sun after her mother warned her that it would damage her eyes.
At first, Shuping simply pretended to be blind, going about with sunglasses on, her eyes closed, and using a cane to navigate. She also became fluent in braille. But after a while, that just wasn’t enough.
“By the time I was 21 it was a non-stop alarm that was going off,” she says in the video. So, she did the only rational thing: She got a sympathetic psychologist to pour drain cleaner in her eyes.
“I laid down on the sofa, and he sat next to me, dropped two drops into each eye,” she says matter-of-factly. “In the moment, all I could think of was ‘I’m going blind, it’s going to be okay.'”
“When I woke up the following day, I was joyful, until I turned on my back, opened my eyes, and could see the TV screen,” she says. Then, thankfully, over the next six months her eyes gradually failed due to the damage, and Shuping was finally blind like she’d always dreamed. She says she has no regrets.
“I really feel this is the way I was supposed to be born, that I should have been blind from birth,” she told Barcroft.
Shuping initially told family members her blindness was due to an accident, but they later found out the truth, and both her mother and sister cut off contact.
Officially, Shuping’s desire to be blind is labeled body integrity identity disorder (BIID), an ailment where people with healthy bodies strongly desire a disability. Most of those with the disorder seek to amputate healthy limbs, though, while Shuping’s desire to mutilate her eyes is less common. Those who seek to become disabled in this way often are described, and identify as, “transabled.”
Shuping is willing to admit that her self-mutilation stems from a disorder, and she says she hopes others don’t follow her path.
“Don’t go blind the way I did. I know there is a need but perhaps someday there will be treatment for it.”
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