Topic: Should there be sub forums under Scam Accusations? (Read 416 times)

I don't agree with your suggestion. If we would have much more scam accusations than we have now, then it would make sense. But now this board isn't such active that topics may get lost. And I don't see big difference between all these kind of scams. Scam is scam. And I think that adding more child boards would have negative effect. Accusations would get less visibility as less people would bother to visit each child board

This is something what I really would like to see. And not just in scam accusations board, but in whole forum in general. But yeah, I wouldn't count on it that such feature will be implemented. Maybe in new forum software one day...

Bitcointalk already has many boards and subboards. Creating more might confuse others. Most of us are used to the old layout. Changing the layout and making new subboards can be a headache. I like your idea. It will make the accusation board cleaner, transparent, and easily navigable. But instead of making boards, new rules should be made on how to write an accusation post. If we mention altcoin in the subject, people will easily understand that this accusation is related to altcoin. So one won't have to read the whole post.

I agree and it will make the Scam Accusations section more organized  I fully support this, and with this, we will see who and what platforms have the most number of complaints.

But there should also be a sub-forum forum for Resolve Cases after the Original Creator of the topic locks the thread and edits the title to Resolved, this is to decongest the Scam Accusation section.

How thoughtful of you! It's a brilliant idea that will help people of a particular interest to easily navigate to their preferred subsection instead of having to battle with the lumped-up in the Scam Accusation page.

How you've suggested them above is also good, but I would have preferred if the "People" is changed to "Others" since we already have a Reputation page.

As in; Scam Accusations -> Others.

So that it will contain more than just People's scam discussion and more discussion outside Cryptos, Casinos and Projects scam.

It can't be stopped you'll find ppl posting stories about being robbed but each story can't be true. Newbies slandering platforms without proofs shouldn't be allowed. Opportunistic users want to blackmail because they're taking advantage of forum good will.

If they've got evidence they should post it or else they're creating unnecessary problems for authentic sites.

When you cross check those scam accusations thread created by newbies you will notice most of them is been created to blackmail some of casino platform, and they tune they use will tells you that it's alt account some of them use to come against other casinos, so many of them accusations when you go deeper to find out the truth and you will not8ce that some of their informations lacks merits [lacks meaning] many of the scam accusations I do come across they are propaganda kind of accusations because some doesn't have an evidence to backup its proof.

The idea seems good to me in terms of the general appearance, as it helps to arrange and coordinate the sections better and helps members search for the topics they want to visit easily.

But the problem, in my opinion, is that there are not many new topics in the Scam Accusations section. Most of the topics that are written there are related to gambling sites. Therefore, if we separate each section separately in the way you suggest, I think we will end up with several subsections that are almost empty due to the lack of Lots of new topics related to the section.

I've posted a scam warning Double bitcoin scam websites so it'll need a different sub Scam Accusations  -> Websites

They don't censor scammers in this forum so it's unlikely they'll insert your suggestions. It looks a good addition but we won't discover if it's useful unless it's added. That's when the feedback's going to help.


We'll be able to give feedback if we're allowed to use the subs first.

Could be good idea, except for the 'People' sub-board. 'People' sub-forum could be a little bit confusing, in a case when a forum member creating or promoting either a project/casino/exchange, and they use it to scam people would it be in the 'People' sub-forum or the others sub forum, this could lead to double posting. Other than that I think adding sub-forum on the Scam Accusation is a good thing, especially the 'Casino' sub forum, I saw many people has been asking for this multiple times. And even though I am not an active poster on those Sub Forum, I am still frequently reading and checking Scam Accusation, just update and avoid new scam method, so I don't think the sub-forum activity could be taken into consideration whether we need the sub-forum or not, because maybe there are many other passive readers on Scam Accusation on the sub-forum, and adding other sub-forum there would be neat.

I only agree if it is made separate between accusation and reports:

• Accusation means the accused has an opportunity to come forward to defend himself and the case coudl be resolved or not.
• Report means there is no chance of solving the case because it's basically a clear scam like Tinder woman, phishing sites, etc.

Exchanges and casinos are part of projects I guess. If we don't have projects board then we can add more like

Scam Accusations  -> Mixers
Scam Accusations  -> ICO/IDOs
Scam Accusations  -> Social media, mainly Telegram

and so on.

If we have such sub-board, I see moderators will have a major job to filter these topics and move them to the appropriate sub-boards from the old thousands of threads we already have.

From user experience perspective, I think it will be boring to have many childboard's childboards. I think that instead of Scam accusation -> childboard, we should open every thread in scam accusation like we do today but there should be an option to tag these threads like we do on reddit, see for example:


We should also be able to filter scam accusations when we click on thread's tag but I don't have a hope that will happen.

Nice Idea. I think the reason you suggested this is to sort the accusations to know which boards they are coming from. This would have been more appropriate in a board that has much engagements, like Altcoins and Bitcoin discussion boards.
This is 11:29 forum time and only 2 new posts are made in scam accusation board. This means that throughout a week the second page of the board might not be seen.

So, I think that the arrangement is fine rather than having a child board that might not have a single post for almost a week.

No way to avoid it. Some newbies will be up for learning, while others won't. The forum isn't meant to pamper newbies who don't want to put in the effort and make things easier just for them, at the cost of other members. That's why we've got moderators who can topic the topic to the right board.


This is all the more reason why we should have a dedicated board for scam accusations related to Gambling.

I have to disagree, most of users who create a new thread in scam accusations are brand new accounts. We as an experienced people aware where's the scam accusations belong to, but brand new accounts still doesn't know where's scam accusations sections and that's why they choose to post in Gambling, Bitcoin Discussion or Service Discussion since those sections are obvious.

Having sub forums under scam accusations will make it harder to reach since you need to open Trading Discussion board or Scam accusations section first.

Moreover most of scam accusations thread are full of fake accusations when the gambler not want to admit his own fault and blame the casino.

Dave....I think you've got a good idea here.  It would be nice to be able to see just from looking at what child board a scam accusation thread is in whether I'd be interested in clicking on it, because I don't have much of an interest in casino scams and only a few exchanges who might have screwed over a customer.  True, I can usually get all that info from the title (that's the way I browse the forum, and I know it's different that how a lot of others do it) but from feedback I've gotten I bet it'd be a convenience for many members.

I'm not sure why Theymos is so reluctant to create child boards.  I've seen a few good suggestions like this one, and I don't think it'd take much coding to implement nor would it create more work for mods that I can tell (but correct me if I'm wrong).  Sub-threads/child boards are just a good way to organize sections that usually have a variety of popular, reoccurring topics, themes, what have you and in this case just making it easier for everyone to go to exactly which kind of scam accusations they're interested in.  Makes sense, right?

That would be fine, because you're right about not all gambling scams involve casinos.  As to the second statement, there might not be many scam accusations against individual members right now (and I don't know that to be true because I haven't checked), but that could and likely will change.  Plus there are already enough of them to fill up a child board with more pages than you could read in a week.  Same thing for exchanges.

I agree on this, but it should be Scam Accusations  -> Gambling, as not all gambling platform can be called casinos imo.

The rest doesn't have much complaints/topic/thread, the scam accusation board is enough for them as of the moment.

Nobody goes to the scam accusations board to search for a particular topic. What are you looking for exactly?

Since the highest percentage of scam complaints are in casinos, there is a need to create a separate board for such complaints in the gambling section since most of the casino users are always active there. They can easily get the information quickly and take caution, as the case may be.

But not all reputable members do visit the gambling section, and for good and quality judgment, these reputable members need to interfere in order to get a possible solution. I think if that is the case, then leaving all the scam complaints on the scam accusation board will be better, but there should be a separate subboard for each, just as you explain in the Op.

I think that of exchange has became more easier since we have users that are very active in the Exchanges sub board in the service discussion board. Information about any scam exchanges is been shared and discussed there.

Yeah that is the easier way for users to effectively finds those gambling site that are trusted although it can be regularly visit at that section than the accusations board where it is now, it will be easily accessible to gamblers and most at times there could be a highlight of the most reputable casino and gambling site.

From my personal view, that is the only way people can be very mindful with those site, to me the sections where it's now seems to be hiding those site with their evil did but if it was moved to gambling section believe me no one would chose a bad casino to gamble knowing too well that they had a bad records over the years or months than creating additional subforum instead it should be added over while the scam accusations section can be for either users and some altcoin or loan defaulter although someone mentioned this above.

Separating the gambling accusations from the rest of the scam accusations seems like a pretty good idea to me.  I was not around back when the board was first created, but looking at some of those old topics it definitely seems like it started off being a place for people to call out scams happening between members here on the forum.  But over time, especially once we got that whole Gambling section and tons of crypto casinos popped up everywhere it kinda shifted to be all about shady stuff those casinos are up to.  But not everybody here cares about gambling stuff.  So cleaning up the scam accusations board to just be for non-gambling scams could make things easier to follow for most folks.

Plus it will keep things more focused instead of having accusations about like a million different things all jumbled together.

Scam accusation is already a subforum and it will add 4 more child forums. Somehow it's neat and easier to navigate and find scam accusations on one page but over time, they piled up til sent to 2nd to a hundred more pages also. If a user wanted to look for a particular scam accusation, they could also use the search box. The 2024, kids seem to be aware of to use of Google and search boxes already.

Overall i would say i like the OP idea. i can make things less massive like alot of newbies come to promote scam using their new account. which may relate to gambling or any scam token. i had that kinda experience, someone was trying to promote the crypto exchange which was related to AI like according to him/her the exchange was totally AI based we just need to put amount and it will generate profit for us and we need not to do anything at all.

I feel the way he/she was trying to emphasising the use of that AI based exchange which i don't think so much reliable in way he was trying to promote very hardly. The funniest thing i found there he was doing it with newbie account. At the end i would say your idea is quite Good.

I agree that such kind of sub-board is needed in gambling board so that any casino that frauds with its customers will be reported at that board instead of scam accusation board. But, I think that it would be better to add that sub-board in scam accusations as that would be more suitable for such board. There have been many scam accusations against gambling sites and I believe that a sub-board dedicated to gambling scam accusations is highly needed.

Most of the accusations are against the gambling sites because most of the frauds take place at gambling sites. We really have to think about such board and I'm pretty sure that such board will help so many users who get scammed by gambling sites. That way users will be able to find all gambling casinos scams easily by browsing that sub-board.

Didn't think about that.
Possibly a separate board about gambling scam accusations under gambling and all the others in a generic scam board since it does look like 75%+ of the scam complaints are about casinos.


That is part of the issue, the sheer amount of casino scam accusations causes everything else to get buried.  


Heh, I don't think in the 50+ years I have been alive the word tidy has been used to describe me.

The problem with the search here is it's far from perfect so someone doing a quick search might miss it and going to ninjastic or someplace else although good for the users in the know, others who don't use the forum as much and don't know about that or Loyces post scraper either will never see some things.



Perhaps harsher moderation might be needed. If it's not in the scam report format: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-report-format-use-it-to-make-scam-reports-properly-260073 or something close to it the mod has the duty to delete it and tell the poster to try again. Kind of like messing up an assignment in school and having the teacher tell you to do it again.

Might be a bit harsh, but it could clean up a lot.

-Dave

I disagree With you. The scam accusations board had 1331 number of posts last month from 235 posters. The Board is not as quiet as you may assume, and having a sub-board for easy navigation will be quite helpful because frequently, posts about scam projects and loan defaulters are buried for complaints about casino scams.

You are a Tidy person, who wants everything to be in place. I like that, I also like things to be arranged in a manner way. Well, I have tracked each and every big section including the Scam Accusations and from the last 2 months, I can tell you, the number of new topics created in Scam Accusations is too low, then how can you say the important scam accusations about exchanges are buried under others. Okay, I got it, when a person makes a reply, the old topic goes up and the good ones, go below like to 3rd or maybe 5th pages.

But, won't it happen even when we make all the boards? Like if we make a sub-board of exchange in scam accusations, will good topics/accusations will not be buried under the new ones? They will, but I really liked your idea as things will be more arranged.

A messed up board is the one, nobody wants to visit, the best practice, if we want to know about the accusation of some exchange is to search about it, on ninjastic or using the search box.

The scam accusation section is enough to report scammers in my opinion it's better to add the scam accusation at the gambling section so that whomever that wants to visit any casino or gambling site can easily finds it there and then be very cautious of the one to get started with. There are some users who doesn't discover the accusations or regularly visit there to know what casinos that has good reputation to gamble on. Additional subforum can either makes it complicated whereby there may be some section where they won't visit at all, just the above user said of the investigation board I can't remember when last I have posted there or even posted there before. Although is a nice idea anyway.

Maybe this is a good idea, but I think that in reality it only complicates things further. Many individual scam accusations do not even have the basic form that is expected in order to have an easier insight into where the problem is. Even many have not presented relevant evidence, especially newbies who just came to present the problem and ask for help.

Perhaps a more straightforward solution is to write on the subject of the topic for example [Casinos], [Exchange] etc... But even that would be too much, because hardly anyone even emphasizes [Solved], which is much more important because it directly affects someone's reputation.

There is one sub board under scam accusation called investigation, which I do not visit.

Look at scam accusation board now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Since today has almost ended, remaining just 6 hours and 50 minutes, only 7 posts has been under scam accusation board.

If I should answer the question, becuase of low posts on scam accusation board, no need for sub board.

There are a lot of scam accusations about casinos. We get them almost every day. It would be good to have an individual sub forum for this. However, I would rather attach this sub-forum under the Gambling section. I guess that's where it would better suit as we see a lot of newbies post scam accusations on the gambling section.

Instead of just Scam Accusations should there be:

Scam Accusations  -> Exchanges
Scam Accusations  -> Casinos
Scam Accusations ->Projects
Scam Accusations  -> People

Just wondering if it would actually cause more people to look in on things that interest them instead of seeing a mess of things that do not.
If you spend a lot of time in crypto casinos, you would want to look in there, but you don't care about the dozens of posts about the fact that the newest scam token is a scam.

Same with exchanges, if you don't gamble you may miss the issues that started happening with your favorite exchange since it buried within all the other posts.

Just a thought. Would not require massive changes to the board in general, just more of a cleaning up thing. Might make it better, might make it worse.

-Dave