Topic: Should we stop all Muslims from entering America? (Read 4587 times)

stopping all muslims from entering isnt going to happen lol.

These days their way is studying abroad and planning out after being in the states..

You cant stop any person with a student visa.

Israel does not have the hoardes of inspectors such as the TSA has.  I bet it wouldn't cost any more to do it right.

Why didn't Bush help close is beloved states border while he was gov and then when he was prez?  He had like 15 years to do something. 

We all know that the TexAss border is the most porous - so why didn't he take action - why didn't he help solve the problem??

Sorry about that i wanted to quote you ,not to copy you...as for TSA,yes,we could, then we will have to add the extra cost of using professional help.   But as I said it will cost you.  Are you willing to pay.

You copy what i post?Seriously man ,use your brain......we could take the money we pay the ignoramuses of TSA, couldn't we?

Basically, what we "should" do is irrelevant as these drastic measures couldn't be accomplished.  

While poking around for passport info, came across linked opinion piece in a Pakistani publication.  Pakistani reader response was both heartening and discouraging, provides insight into the mindset of the moderates some people say don't exist.  Many Pakistanis are vehemently opposed to zealots calling the political shots, their politicians afraid to buck that system (for reasons well known...).  


http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/5468/passport-woes-does-the-world-need-to-know-we-are-muslim/

You say you want experts watching our airports.  I fully agree.  Now are you willing to pay for professional help.  It comes with a price tag.

No,my mistake ,i wanted to quote him and i ended by copy what he sayed.

Tag team trolling?

I have passed through Israeli security many times.  We would do well to adopt their methods.  El Al has never had a hijacking because of it.

who is we, you are not the state you are a person.
you don't throw anyone out, the armed group called the American government does.
i wouldn't rush to tell people off how they are not obliged to let anyone in, there may come a day when they'll throw you out too.

Not as a general rule.  They are trained in body language and they do not fool around.  Unlike our idiotic TSA jobs program, which appears to employ people whose only talent is to sit on fat asses and holler about straight lines.

Found only one country where religious affiliation is on passport (Pakistan), though there may be more.

But, if not on PP, the  faith of entrant (tourist or visa holder) can't be known.  Also, even it were noted, or made mandatory to disclose religion upon entrance, compulsion would be meaningless - a radical wouldn't hesitate to lie.   Nationality isn't a certain indicator either.  Muslim majority nations contain minority populations - Christians, Jews, Buddhists.  Conversely, there are Muslims in virtually every nation on the planet.  Appearance as screening criterion wouldn't help either.  Major portion of Muslims are southeast Asians, not all middle easterners are dark haired, darked eyed and swarthy, Afghans, Chechyans are often fair and blue eyed, etc.  

We are not obliged to let anyone in. As a nation state, we have our roots, our identity, our nation. We throw out anyone we want, and deny entry to anyone we wish, because it is our nation.

You seem to have some serious issue understanding this.

Do you need a reason to tell someone they are out of place at your own home when you are the home owner? No.

Sounds good.  Tell me they don't fondle the bodies the way our guards do.

There isn't a cut and dried answer.  Of course we should not exclude ALL muslims.  But we DO need to be a bunch more selective about which ones are welcomed with open arms. 

What on earth would the criteria for screening them be?  You cannot see what is in a person's heart.  Taqiyya is an article of faith in Islam;  we certainly cannot just ask them!

I think a longer wait time for a visa, and an in-country b/i is in order.  Those countries that make it impossible to do a b/i----  are SOL

can i see some of those facts?

Laughable. Facts don't support what you say, so you blanket it with 'well they weren't any better..' when numbers from research all around the world say otherwise.

did i say america is any better?

Another moonbat with his rampant Russophobia infected with verbal diarrhea.

The American war machine has invaded dozens of nations ever since the end of World War 2. Even today, the American defence spending is almost 20 times bigger than that of Russia. Some people still think that the US is a messenger of world peace.

thats what i said, they didnt keep the peace any better.

Not true, remember the Crusades?

alot of things happened in the last 1000 years, the europeans don't have a better track record than anyone else of keeping the peace in that timeframe.

i dont know if you noticed but the peace in europe is about to end, holding it for 70 years isn't exactly a long time.

you can continue blaming the muslims for all the bad things in the world while your civilized white christian european commrade putin drives with his tanks across your home.

This statement reeks of ignorance and self-satisfying cherry picking non sense. Someone who clearly knows nothing about history.

A crack of last 1000 years of history tells you clearly who is more responsible for killing whom. I bet you are stupid enough to think all the conflict spots in africa today are the results of 'evil colonialism'.

Europeans did a fine job keeping peace since the war, unlike vast majority of places around the world that flare into indiscriminate killing.

You honestly stink of pathetic self hate, something people usually see in those who lost out in competition within mainstream society. Your kind will not find any acceptance or allies anywhere else.

hitler and stalin got the idea to kill tens of millions of people from the ottmans?

the europeans are no better than anyone else in keeping the peace.

even today putin with his huge russian war machine is 50 times more dangerous than a bunch of muslims with pickup trucks.

its not that i don't think that isis are a bunch of lunatics, its just that the world has the wrong priorities, the white russian europeans are a much bigger threat.

I didn't used the term "ethnic European". "European" in normal instances refer to someone who is the citizen of a European country. Most of these "European" mercenaries were born in their respective European nations (mostly UK, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany.etc) and possess the local citizenship. If they are captured, then they will face prosecution and will serve their prison sentence in these nations only.

So then it's not about being Muslim it's about being middle eastern?  You really need to make up you mind who it is you want out..  I'm not surprised your having trouble when you say I'd be an idot if I was to become Muslim.  The level of maturity and ignorance portrayed is your posts is unsettling.

Europeans didn't get the idea from the Ottomans. A couple thousand years of internal violence and empire building gave them the idea. Why do you think Europe pretty much conquered the world? A lot of practice.

They are not europeans. Kick them out for being racially inclined cunts.

Yeah I didn't understand that either

"Europeans".

Yeah, it's their choice to fight, nobody's drafting them

A few centuries ago, the Ottomans did the same. Even in the early 20th century, millions of Greeks, Assyrians and Armenians were butchered by the Ottomans. Why accuse the Europeans, when they got the idea from the Ottomans?

And if you think that the ISIS is not a problem, then you are delusional. More than 10,000 Europeans fighting for them in Iraq and Syria. It is just a matter of time before they organize something similar in the EU.

But shhhh, forget about that, it was years ago, etc etc

only 70 years ago a bunch of white people in Europe almost killed everyone including themselves and yet ISIS is the problem.
if we go by the track record of the last century its Europeans you should be afraid of.

Worldwide, "white people" are among the smaller minorities, and becoming an ever smaller one every day.

That applies to you buddy

If someone said black/brown people's farms were being collectively attacked, their people harassed, and laws specifically stating that such people are obliged to give up their property and are discriminated against, then bitches like you will be running their mouths until cow comes home calling it genocide.

But apparently, white people who have done less crime than other races are supposedly fine when they are pushed out of a country, systematically persecuted, and killed robbed or mugged. That's your delusion. Because they are soo 'evil'? I don't think so. History tells us that others don't really have the right to bitch and moan when it comes to committing crimes based on racial grounds.

If you believe black and brown people have the 'right' to demand to be part of the west, then you better accept that white people are also entitled to flood any nation they want and demand that nation to change to suit THEIR whims.



As a minority, it's amusing to see this kind of bitch attitude among western-based 'oppressed' minorities

You need to check this out

That is true. Out of the dozens of countries where whites are currently in majority position, the percentage of white population is stable in only one country (Belarus).

USA, which had a Non-Hispanic White population of 83.5% in 1970 is now just 63.7% white. In countries such as Romania and Hungary, the population growth of the Roma and low birth rates among the natives are resulting in decreasing share of whites.

Like I said, the damage has been done. However if you decide to subscribe to Islam, you are still not middle eastern. Just an idiot.

People that say we should stop all muslims from coming here make me laugh so hard.  It's so irrational it's not funny, but I just can't help it.  I honestly don't even know where to start but I guess the main issue is they are already here and have been here. 

I(or anyone else)could become one of "them" tomorrow if I wanted to.  You can't ban a religion and that is what your trying to do which is such a poorly thought out plan and telling of the logic of those who think that way. 

Yes, what you say is true I suppose. I do not live in Europe so I am not as familiar with it. I think the damage is done, any resistance to foreign immigration is labeled racist, evil nazism, and whatever other labels liberals conjure up.

Europe? Unless parties like Golden Dawn, Jobbik, and NF(or everyday people) do something, they're already done!

Yes western cultures intermingling with foreign cultures will inevitably cause the decay of western civilization, particularly the United States. Although immigration is drastically affecting Europe as well.

But anyone that says the truth is simply discarded for being "racist".

+1,000,000

Why is it diversity for white countries, and white people get genocided in South Africa and Zimbabwe?
Switzerland is multi-racial, but their racial borders line up with their internal borders, so intermingling between the French, Germans, and Italians is pretty low.
Intermingling with non-Western cultures is destroying what made Western Culture great.

Why? Won't you be able to answer his point if he quotes Chomsky?

And I agree with him: "if you want to stop terrorism, stop terrorizing them".

This.

It was an estimated figure buddy. I cannot pinpoint the exact number

Pew Research Center is not a reliable source. They get most of their religious data from the CIA World Factbook, which itself is full of inaccuracies. The most accurate method to calculate the number of Muslims is to look at the census reports from all the global nations (90% of them have data on religion). But compiling such data is very labor-intensive and time consuming.

IMO, Muslims might be anywhere from 1.25 billion to 1.5 billion.

According to the Pew Research Center, there are approximate 1.6 billion Muslims, this figure accounts for 23% of the world's population.

Chomsky.

Just like many people, he tells what he wants to hear saying.

Don't quote that mouthy fool and expect to be taken seriously.

Wow... from where did you get that number?

The total world population, as of now is around 7.25 billion. For your figure to be true, some 41.3% of the world population have to be Muslims.

India and China, together having some 2.6 billion people have only a few million Muslims living there. Also, there are very few Muslims in the Americas, which is home to 910 million people. Europe (600 million) is no more than 5% Muslim, and more than half the population in Africa (1 billion) is Christian. Now tell me from where you got that 3 billion figure.

Atheist propaganda could be the only solution. Because christians and jews are no better than muslims, they're spreading the same Abrahamic shit.

Try to spend some time reading the UDHR. It's a bit legacy for now but the modern treaties (1966-1986) were based on the UDHR statements.

As well as have never opened any book since graduation.

It's too late. I believe the terrorists have started recruiting Americans and European citizens years ago. So stopping Muslims from entering America will not stop any attacks. Besides, you cannot tell one's religion from nationality or appearance alone.

Honeypot troll harder please.

For those interested in a genuine response, a more pertinent question any human should be considering is:

"How do we stop America murdering large numbers of our population thus causing many of the survivors to join radical groups that then justify more American brutality."

Want to stop terrorism? Being a bigger terrorist won't help. (Thank you Chomsky).

LOL

Haven't touched a tv in 10 years you dumb fuck

I bet you are reading news in cnbc, cnn, or any other shitty us news site, dont know a language except of your native lang, and watching tv?

I would like to notice, nobody is raring to enter your country, especially muslims.

(I am a muslim too and I dont like hate any Arab nations)

Most people don't like sloppy seconds, never mind thirds or forths. The whole world and especially putin took the school boy obama and passed him around like a piece of meat plenty of times

Never mind no real American takes the fool seriously anymore. They just laugh and do their own thing. He has no respect or power over the agencies or departments in US government, other than lame attempts at hiding behind his rank.

You are given opportunity to the rights when you are born - they are inalienable by outside forces, but definitely alienable by the virtue (or the lack there of) of your own actions and your own attitudes.

Deal with it bitch

And it doesn't violate any human rights, of course.

When muslims keep to themselves and mind their own fucking business, the world will leave them alone.

Let them come, we can always kill more and open up more guantanamo where they can be fucked to pieces by real men

This.

I'm getting very fed up of people who use these phrases in order to sound clever when they clearly have no idea what they mean, are using them in the incorrect context or are just doing it to sound clever, complicated words don't make your arguments any better when basically what you just said amounts to "HE SAID MEAN THINGS TO ME WAHHHH!".

There are close to 3 billion Muslims on the planet. If every one was dead set on terrorism, every non Islamic person would be dead. The reality is a very small minority are using Islam to further their own agenda. Groups like ISIS and al quaeda don't represent Islam at all.

To deny entry into a country based on religion is incredibly discriminatory

This holds true for any kind of regulation, but fundamentally, gun control.

The USG can't stop Muslims from entering the US. They can only make it illegal.

Nothing is more amusing than those claiming to be victims of 'ad hominem' yet doesn't even know when they are allowed to make that claim.

When you obviously interject in an argument with baseless 'logic' with clearly subjective tangents that are only relevant in your mind, then refuse to accept your mistake, then you are putting your own character and personal stance on the line.

But you think you can mouth off and then claim 'ad hominem'

Ad Hominem attacks are even more amateur, and are certainly unwelcome when engaging in civil discourse.

No straight thinking individual could ever believe this kind of weak argument is anything more than semantics and word games.

They need to set age limits on this website - this kind of 'opinion' I expect from a 15 year old. Very amateur.

Not only is barring Muslims from entering America unconstitutional, but the assumption that doing so would stop terrorism is absurd.

There is nothing on the National ID that states anyone's religion. Do you really believe, that any Muslim who wishes to go to America with the intention of terrorism would actually state his religion to the authorities, if such a fascist law were ever to be passed in our nation?
Furthermore, the organizations you mentioned, Al-Qaeda and ISIS, were both funded for fully by the US government, once upon a time.

Much like other foreign immigrants from the Middle East, Muslims are already subject to harassment, discrimination, and illegal searches by the authorities. You are nine times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist, according to data from The U.S. Department of State.


And...


Data obtained from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control above further proves that you are 35,079 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

According to this source, Obesity accounts for 100,000–400,000 deaths in the United States annually, which means:

You are more 23,528 likely to die by being a fatass than get killed by a terrorist.

The 911 card is always used by politicians to try and impede our rights and take away our constitutional freedoms.

Unless they are using those very categories as identifiers and collectively try to challenge a nation state/group/individual, then they will be identified based on their race, religion, gender, etc and selectively removed.

Those categories are noose around their necks. They will be exterminated with extreme prejudice.

Stopping them coming into America would probably be the best decision anyone could ever make however it's far too late to make that decision now to be honest because they are already here and there is nothing that can be done about that now.

That is against the law, my friend.

No one shall be discriminated because of race, religion, sex...

Tired of the entire world getting mad at america for anything that they do. America is not the worlds parents, we don't have to be involved in other countries. Everyone expects us to take care of other people's countries.

What's the genetic marker for Muslim?

LOL what a bitch

Muslims don't need help killing each other.

Vast majority of aid during soviet invasion was given to pakistanis who then dispersed them haphazardly some of which could have found their way into AQ hands.

By your logic, I should sue the car company of the offender in a car crash because they should have know their car would have crashed into mine when they sold it to the other guy.

Enough with your bitching. Do you even have any concrete evidence or shred of real information to claim that US is doing any of the things you WISH was true, so you have the reason the bitch and moan? Typical conspiracy fucker with no idea what the hell he's getting mouthy about.

You demand evidence from others, but I have yet to see any real solid word from any of you or any evidence to prove that US is the guilty one, never mind being guiltier than all the arabs who supply weapons to each other, the chinese arms finding their way into afghanistan, or russian support for factions in the middle east.

Fuck off and bitch about something else.

Pretty much, America funded Al Qaeda during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, they funded ISIS during Syria and so on and then they have the balls to declare it's all the Muslims fault that all of this is happening.

This. No country has the 'obligation' to take anyone in. We can deny entry at any time we want, reason simply being it is our country, our decisions. Who the fuck thinks they can say otherwise? Do start bitching about 'native americans' as if you gave a shit before it was a reason to bitch about.


No one asked them to come here. They beg, we can refuse. They can be settled somewhere in the middle east refugee camp. it's not our problem. They are responsible for their own futures.

As for muslims in US, they are guilty as shit. We do reserve the full right to expel them because they are outsiders and do not belong here.

We reserve the right to expel, punish, and destroy those who are not of American character, or loyal to its identity above all else. The core of american identity is western with significant influence of christianity. As a minority, I fully support the notion that any nation on earth has the right to take action against those who agitate or otherwise try to manipulate others into taking advantage of its own country for their benefit.

This is fucking common sense - something you believe you are above but you are not. Otherwise, I will be happy to enter your home and take what I want.


Look at this cheeky fuck.

Next time anyone says they have the right to enter your home without permission, don't even think of telling them otherwise.

Anti-Americans sure are cheeky little shits.

For reasons like this that's why many people from all around the world hate America.

We could start with actually using the International Airport Screening training Israel offered us, because you sure as hell don't see much getting past the people at Ben Gurion.

Send them to Mexico. Why are we always the world's daddy? Let other nations take them in for a change.

The visa fees from people wanting to travel here from other countries should foot the bill for screening whoever these visitors are. And, if homeland security was actually worth their salt they should be scoping out Americans that are overseas and forming allegiances w/ militant orgs not worrying about veterans and constitutionalists back home.

If you're christian or jewish then it's your God too.

stop all non white immigration

What about those who are coming here to ESCAPE the violence?  Should we be screening people who request visas to come here? Absolutely, we should. But just placing a blanket ban on visiting America or emigrating here based on religion? That's not a precedent I'd want to set. What's next? Expulsion of Muslims already IN America  - even as citizens?

Al-Qaeda was bad enough, ISIS is potentially even worse. Arab nations around the world are in disarray. Violence is everywhere on the world stage and it seems our government is about to attempt to destroy ISIS wherever they can be found. Sooner or later this probably means American "boots on the ground" back in Iraq and possibly in Syria. Like it or not we are actively involved in this crisis in the Muslim world. 9/11 and our past involvement in that part of the world.... along with our superpower status has cast us in a leading role.

Terrorism is the new religion for millions and death is their God. This is a savage God that allows no prisoners to survive and nothing is sacred. A God of immense cruelty and little logic.....and his eye is on America.

Would it not be wise under this present threat to temporary close our borders to Muslims who may come to our nation for a variety of reasons? Most Muslims live quiet peaceful lives and should not be considered terrorists. However it seems we are about to enter a new war against even a more vicious opponent than Osama Bin Laden. Can we afford to be cavalier about this? What do you think?