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Topic: Showing I merited 3 people 2 days ago but I never even visited those threads.. (Read 935 times)

legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
FYI. To verify that I am still in control of my account.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1ELWAR1qFQbfmpMhcsTaBniFRLewrYqGo2

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jr. member
Activity: 103
Merit: 3
Elvar, may I ask, if you can add the other accounts which were involved? It's likely there are more accounts connected and if you include them into your entry post this could help for future references and investigations. I can have a look into it, if I find something suspicious.

Thanks  Smiley
member
Activity: 329
Merit: 23
I'm not going to do reversals on mere abuse.
Oh yeah finally our great "theymos" heard my poem Wink . I think we can take as " I'm going to do reversals on large scale Merit abuses" is it valid for the ANN underworld freaks too? ,who do Merit business more oftenly.

No, you should probably not interpret it as that. This was reversed because theymos was able to verify that the account was compromised.
Reversals of Merit abuse look fine at the first glance and while I read that I thought first this could be a good idea. But it's obvious that a Merit reversal of abusers will lead to nothing because all the sMerit will be given back to the same cheater and it's possible for him to spent these sMerits again, a never ending story and only more work for admins.

And thanks to OP, now we know that we have to be careful. I'm just wondering the hackers got access but OP didn't enter his login data on this phishing site. Fortunately the hackers didn't change your password.
hero member
Activity: 1659
Merit: 687
LoyceV on the road. Or couch.
Ok, I found it in my browser history.

https://bitcointalk. to /index.php?topic=1638278.0

Did a google search to find out how to do animated gifs on bitcointalk
Add the phishing site to your hosts file, and reroute it to localhost. That prevents this in the future:
I have added this line to /etc/hosts
Code:
127.0.0.1       bitcointalk.to
Now my computer can't access that phishing site anymore.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Ok, I found it in my browser history.

https://bitcointalk. to /index.php?topic=1638278.0

Did a google search to find out how to do animated gifs on bitcointalk.


Damn, sneaky bastards.

Thanks to ibminer for suggesting I check my browser history.

Sorry for causing any trouble for anyone due to my mistake.

Merits all around.


Still scrubbing and locking down my computer anyway...wake up call I suppose.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 174
I'm not going to do reversals on mere abuse.
Oh yeah finally our great "theymos" heard my poem Wink . I think we can take as " I'm going to do reversals on large scale Merit abuses" is it valid for the ANN underworld freaks too? ,who do Merit business more oftenly.

No, you should probably not interpret it as that. This was reversed because theymos was able to verify that the account was compromised.
Okey my mistake. But I think theymos will spell it out sooner than we think Wink isn't that great if it happens?
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
I'm not going to do reversals on mere abuse.
Oh yeah finally our great "theymos" heard my poem Wink . I think we can take as " I'm going to do reversals on large scale Merit abuses" is it valid for the ANN underworld freaks too? ,who do Merit business more oftenly.

No, you should probably not interpret it as that. This was reversed because theymos was able to verify that the account was compromised.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 174
I'm not going to do reversals on mere abuse.
Oh yeah finally our great "theymos" heard my poem Wink . I think we can take as " I'm going to do reversals on large scale Merit abuses" is it valid for the ANN underworld freaks too? ,who do Merit business more oftenly.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Thanks for looking into this. I'm just glad that's all the hacker did.

Now I get to spend the day scrubbing my computer for anything suspicious.  

Fortunately I lock my keys up in cold cold storage plus they need to know which numbers I added/deleted.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
I'm not going to do reversals on mere abuse.

Fair enough, we're gonna have to use this quote instead of "merit is not moderated".
administrator
Activity: 5222
Merit: 13032
Is this being accepted as a hack or potential bug in the merit system? I assume IP records would indicate whether the account was compromised?

His account was compromised.

Oh boy... brace yourselves for 500 new threads about merit abuse.

I'm not going to do reversals on mere abuse.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
Since it was a large amount and a clear-cut case, I deleted those merit sends.

Oh boy... brace yourselves for 500 new threads about merit abuse.

legendary
Activity: 1789
Merit: 2535
Goonies never say die.
Is this being accepted as a hack or potential bug in the merit system? I assume IP records would indicate whether the account was compromised?
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Since it was a large amount and a clear-cut case, I deleted those merit sends.
From your first post about Merit:
While we will not be directly moderating this
I'm glad to see you've drawn a line and made an exception!

Now all that's needed is a picture of the Merit thief's face when he sees it's gone again Cheesy
administrator
Activity: 5222
Merit: 13032
Since it was a large amount and a clear-cut case, I deleted those merit sends.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 174
I suspect those merits have been sold, we have a new kind of merit-trading-hacking activity around here.
I remembered a poem of "Emily Dickinson" which I learned for literature at school and I made few changes for that (just for fun).

"I'm Merit abuser! Who are you?
Are you - Merit abuser too -?
Then there's a pair of us!
Don't tell! They'd ban us - you know!
"

Actually they don't Cheesy

Merit abuse isn't moderated by the forum.
legendary
Activity: 3346
Merit: 3125
I know, I may have been hacked but...

I checked my merits sent and on July 17 it shows 3 different merits given of 50 merits each for threads I have never visited.

Very odd that someone would hack my account just to merit someone.

I have since changed my password but I would have figured a hacker would do some more interesting things with a Legendary account than merit some people.

Or is this a random bug.


Ummm... seems pretty similar than this case https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/edit-my-hacked-account-was-used-for-merit-abuse-by-this-user-bgpsq-4642710

I don`t know, but maybe this is a new way of merit trading, maybe you should red tag those that steal merits from you. They`ve been already tagged by the pharmacist and suchmoon.
I suspect those merits have been sold, we have a new kind of merit-trading-hacking activity around here.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1416
Just did a scan of my computer so I'm not seeing any virus or anything along those lines. I use antivirus but also do a scan with a secondary program periodically.

I'm curious about who I would talk to about checking the IPs I've logged in as over the past week. Should all be the same country if it was me.

Do you remember if at the time the merits where assigned you were logged in the forum or online at all doing something else?

My computer was online and connected but I wasn't posting on bitcointalk. But was likely still logged in at the time. I don't recall if the next morning I had to re-log in.

I don't click on links to go to bitcointalk. I have been using the site for 8 years, I know the address. I just type in the URL.

Without going into too many technical details, i was just asking because i thought would be possible just by visiting a link "make you assign merit to somebody" through an exploit, but i verified and is not possible. So i guess somebody took control of your account.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas

I always type in websites before I log in. Bitcointalk is always up for me. But thinking about it I did have to log in again several days ago.
Why you even bother to type the "Bitcointalk" in the search bar? I just simply bookmarked the boards where I normally read and post. Then tick the "show bookmarks bar". I only logging with those bookmarked links and problem solved, no phishing links at all Cheesy

Ya, usually I just go to the address bar and type bitc and it has bitcointalk at the top.

The reality though is I usually have about 20 tabs open at once and bitcointalk is usually one of them. So I rarely need to actually go to the site.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 174

I always type in websites before I log in. Bitcointalk is always up for me. But thinking about it I did have to log in again several days ago.
Why you even bother to type the "Bitcointalk" in the search bar? I just simply bookmarked the boards where I normally read and post. Then tick the "show bookmarks bar". I only logging with those bookmarked links and problem solved, no phishing links at all Cheesy
member
Activity: 336
Merit: 42
I'm not sure how your account got involved in this, but the 3 accounts are connected. They're sending merit to each other and probably should be banned.

Merit abuse isn't moderated by the forum.

I just want to ask, what will be the actions of Bitcointalk if someone has been proven guilty as a merit abuser?
If it is not moderated by the forum, how will they manage it?
member
Activity: 136
Merit: 16
Many such cases are being reported here. Is there any other hack or some kind of bug affecting the forum ?
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Selling merit? No. I like my merit. That's why I only give 1 away at a time.

I didn't know it could be sold. Maybe that's as good a reason as any to hodl them.

Easy IP check will show my IP has been the same for the past month.

And I doubt a hacker would continue to answer questions about seasteading for me in various threads. Or be able to capture my oh so classy level of wit. Especially since the accounts that were meritted look like russians.

I've been offered the equivalent of about $1 per post for advertising in my signature. Never went down that path (I advertise Varyon because I support the project and volunteer for the project). I imagine the amount of money paid for merits wouldn't 'merit' even a second thought for me.

Unless they're going for like 1 BTC each then PM me...
legendary
Activity: 3528
Merit: 7005
Top Crypto Casino
So OP got his account hacked but they didn't change his password and he recovered it with no problems?  Everything about this sounds fishy.  The accounts that received the merits look very much like they were hacked, but I'm on the fence as to whether they should be tagged or not.  The issue in my head is that they could easily have been sold, and it's not even clear whether OP is the original owner of the Elwar account.  A signed message would be nice.

This looks like it could easily be an alibi for merit sales.  There was another thread claiming much the same thing recently.

Selling merit? No. I like my merit. That's why I only give 1 away at a time.
I'm not accusing you, just suspicious.  I gave negs to the accounts that received the merits, but not to you.  You have to admit that your story would be one concocted by someone trying to get away with selling merits, though you'd be throwing the buyers under the bus.  It is surprising that the hackers wouldn't change the e-mail on your account like they apparently did on the ones who got the merits.
legendary
Activity: 2240
Merit: 3150
₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(
Checked the accounts "you" sent merit to and they all 3 are connected, sending merit to each other, just see their merit history.
Well, I always have a lot of doubts in everything, so just as an example here :
(I don't accuse anyone in anything without solid proof.)
If you have sold your merit to, let's say, this group of accounts the only way to justify this act is to    
plead innocent and blame the "hackers".

It's one way to get out clean.
I'm more to believe in your story than the example I gave but there is still a possibility of such act.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Just did a scan of my computer so I'm not seeing any virus or anything along those lines. I use antivirus but also do a scan with a secondary program periodically.

I'm curious about who I would talk to about checking the IPs I've logged in as over the past week. Should all be the same country if it was me.

Do you remember if at the time the merits where assigned you were logged in the forum or online at all doing something else?

My computer was online and connected but I wasn't posting on bitcointalk. But was likely still logged in at the time. I don't recall if the next morning I had to re-log in.

I don't click on links to go to bitcointalk. I have been using the site for 8 years, I know the address. I just type in the URL.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
I always type in websites before I log in. Bitcointalk is always up for me. But thinking about it I did have to log in again several days ago.
Is it possible you clicked a link through Google? Google loves showing phishing site .TO instead of .ORG.

phishing site
Code:
thebitcointalk.net 
is fake too and will steal your password.

It is super easy to get caught out.

These are some links that came up via google that I accidentally posted a while back:



Fortunately someone picked up the error and notified me so I could change it.

hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1416
Just did a scan of my computer so I'm not seeing any virus or anything along those lines. I use antivirus but also do a scan with a secondary program periodically.

I'm curious about who I would talk to about checking the IPs I've logged in as over the past week. Should all be the same country if it was me.

Do you remember if at the time the merits where assigned you were logged in the forum or online at all doing something else?
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
I always type in websites before I log in. Bitcointalk is always up for me. But thinking about it I did have to log in again several days ago.
Is it possible you clicked a link through Google? Google loves showing phishing site .TO instead of .ORG.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1756
Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!

Oh Oh now it is officially spell out "Do whatever with your Merits, you can sell your merits...you can abuse the Merit system...Who cares?". I think that's not the kind of answer we expected from forum staff.

Quote from: theymos
While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-new-rank-requirements-2818350

It's not my rule, and it's not a secret!

Scams and the trust system are also not moderated by the forum.

You are free to interpret those rules however you wish.
member
Activity: 169
Merit: 18
Just did a scan of my computer so I'm not seeing any virus or anything along those lines. I use antivirus but also do a scan with a secondary program periodically.

I'm curious about who I would talk to about checking the IPs I've logged in as over the past week. Should all be the same country if it was me.

I think you need to request to Theymos/Cyrus to check IP address. Only administrator  will be able to check the IP addresses.
 
I am not sure but all the accounts involved should prove that they still control the accounts. If some kind of malicious attempt is made by anyone involved that need to be banned.

I'm not sure how your account got involved in this, but the 3 accounts are connected. They're sending merit to each other and probably should be banned.

Merit abuse isn't moderated by the forum.

Even forum do not moderate Merit abuse but hacking of account is much more bigger issue and for that forum definitely should take measures.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 174
I'm not sure how your account got involved in this, but the 3 accounts are connected. They're sending merit to each other and probably should be banned.

Merit abuse isn't moderated by the forum.
Oh Oh now it is officially spell out "Do whatever with your Merits, you can sell your merits...you can abuse the Merit system...Who cares?". I think that's not the kind of answer we expected from forum staff. This wait and watch game not any good for the forum. So i think now it's time to introduce at least few guidelines regarding Merit distribution. I hope "Theymos" has his plans in mind. Any system has their pros and cons at the early period of time, but system has to be periodically(can decide the time frame accordingly how system reacts) reviewed. Then amendments, revisions and rules to be introduced with the time. Without those 3 activities most likely system will failed which is what we don't want to happen. Because i'm a believer of that the introduction of Merit system is the best thing happened to the bitcointalk forum.  
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Just did a scan of my computer so I'm not seeing any virus or anything along those lines. I use antivirus but also do a scan with a secondary program periodically.

I'm curious about who I would talk to about checking the IPs I've logged in as over the past week. Should all be the same country if it was me.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
I'm not sure how your account got involved in this, but the 3 accounts are connected. They're sending merit to each other and probably should be banned. Oh ok, didn't realize that mods don't deal with this, thanks for clearing that up.

E-mail addresses have been changed on all three too, likely hacked accounts.

Clearly someone is working hard for those merits, it's a shame they don't put that effort into making quality posts.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
I know, I may have been hacked but...

I checked my merits sent and on July 17 it shows 3 different merits given of 50 merits each for threads I have never visited.

Very odd that someone would hack my account just to merit someone.

I have since changed my password but I would have figured a hacker would do some more interesting things with a Legendary account than merit some people.

Or is this a random bug.


Change your password. Check your email hasn't been changed.

Account farmers value merit. Obviously enough to resort to crime.

This may explain how it was done: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/thebitcointalknet-and-bitcointalkto-are-fake-phishing-sites-edited-4426885

I always type in websites before I log in. Bitcointalk is always up for me. But thinking about it I did have to log in again several days ago.

Could be a virus. Will check that out.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
I know, I may have been hacked but...

I checked my merits sent and on July 17 it shows 3 different merits given of 50 merits each for threads I have never visited.

Very odd that someone would hack my account just to merit someone.

I have since changed my password but I would have figured a hacker would do some more interesting things with a Legendary account than merit some people.

Or is this a random bug.


Change your password. Check your email hasn't been changed.

Account farmers value merit. Obviously enough to resort to crime.

This may explain how it was done: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/thebitcointalknet-and-bitcointalkto-are-fake-phishing-sites-edited-4426885
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1756
Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!
I'm not sure how your account got involved in this, but the 3 accounts are connected. They're sending merit to each other and probably should be banned.

Merit abuse isn't moderated by the forum.
member
Activity: 66
Merit: 62
I'm not sure how your account got involved in this, but the 3 accounts are connected. They're sending merit to each other and probably should be banned. Oh ok, didn't realize that mods don't deal with this, thanks for clearing that up.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
I know, I may have been hacked but...

I checked my merits sent and on July 17 it shows 3 different merits given of 50 merits each for threads I have never visited.

Very odd that someone would hack my account just to merit someone.

I have since changed my password but I would have figured a hacker would do some more interesting things with a Legendary account than merit some people.

Or is this a random bug.
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