Topic: Signature Campaigns causing lifeless posts in Gambling section (Read 1162 times)

Quite right, and these BMs have no reason to make efforts on stopping shitposting. Cryptotalk campaign campaign is causing huge spam on forum currently, but guess what these spam has what actually made it popular.

If the forum won't disable signatures in those discussion boards, I propose:

Stop counting posts made in any discussion board to users' postcounts and activities will stop spam-endemic. It is unrealistic to ask for more companies or managers of shit companies/ campaigns to control the post-quality of their participants. This is a very good solution, I think, because the forum and admin still want to give privileges to wear signatures (and get money) for good users.

Spammers will stop spam if their posts won't be counted. When they stop spamming (posts, topics), constructive posts/ topics will appear consequently.

This is utter nonsense. Some education might enlighten your minds. It's all about supply and demand. If you supply shit paying campaigns, then don't be surprised when the demand is only generated by shit posting monkeys. The user in question and his kind should be permanently removed, and severe consequences should be issued for the manager(s) (note: I have not looked at who this is, nor do I care).

That's a false equivalency, actually.

Though both alcohol and gambling addiction are prevalent in society, the former has a significantly higher toll on the physiological health of the user. The latter would be a financial toll however depending on what kind of gambling you're "teaching" your pupils can actually perform better in terms of risk management and control.

Think of it like this way: a guided experience through gambling is almost certainly better than someone stumbling into their first gambling experience without any precautionary measures. /derail

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In my opinion it's been steadily more difficult to start constructive topics in the Gambling and Bitcoin Discussion boards. Over the past year, I'd only thought up a noteworthy thread (that wasn't redundant) once, in regards to Bitcoin Discussion. In that sense, it's more of a survivor bias where you are finding solely spam posts because those that care about their posts seldom stoop to that level.

The reason why I want to bump this thread is following: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/are-you-willing-to-teach-your-children-how-to-gamble-if-you-are-good-at-it-5199545 (can't insert hyperlink)
In this thread someone asks: Are You Willing To Teach Your Children How To Gamble If You Are Good At It?
Just tell me the logic behind this question. It's like are you willing to teach your children drink if you don't get headaches after hangover?
I know a lot of silly questions are asked there while there are really some interesting topics too but cmon, don't open your fantasy so widely. Don't post anything for the sake of signature, enough is enough.

Okay I get it now, from the contents of the image LOL
Well it seems like some kind of bot posting to me too. This is what I guess that happened there:

1. The poster copied and post from someone from the same thread
2. They used article spinner to hide plagiarism
3. Either they used bot or did it manually to post the spinned post.

Yeah mate it seems fairly obvious to me that the guy who had quoted you was referring to the person in the screenshot in the OP as being a bot, not you yourself.

I'm actually curious to see if someone could make a bot using machine learning to try to game signature campaigns...considering how many low-quality posters get through it would probably actually be quite successful.

Sorry I was out of touch in the forum for last two weeks. I am trying to understand that if this was a call for me? I mean did you mean that the post on your quote from me was bot or something?
 
I am pretty sure that you are not meaning the OP of course.

Let me remind you of this post I've written months ago: bounty managers should be held responsible for their participants.

I've also tried warning several managers about the spammers in their campaign. Some clearly told me to mind my own business or never replied.

There's plenty of reasons to support this point of view: it's a way of getting rid of spam without having to get rid of the concept of signature campaigns. Also, the gains would be higher for honest participants, since the spammers would lose their part of the bounty, thus making the total amount available per (honest) participant.

The only way of finding a solution is by contacting the bounty manager and urging him to keep his threads and campaigns clean, by reporting spam posts and by kicking spammers immediately out of the campaign.

However, you risk getting kicked out of the campaign yourself, so most participants - spammer or not - just keep their mouths shut, thus keeping the current situation alive...

I don't think this was even a human that wrote that post. I have ran a couple of forums over the years and I have seen bots come in and try to sell Viagra or something and make more sense than that. That post looks exactly like what you would see whenever you go to a forum that has been flooded with bots and you can tell they all just copy/pasted some keywords into a random message in order to get better hits on the search engine. I've seen Chinese instruction manuals that make more sense than that.


The issue isn't really the campaign manager. The issue is that they accept anyone that requests to join into the campaign. They need some sort of moderation to guard the low quality people from entering into the campaign. I also think they need to limit it to 5 to 10 posts a day. It's getting almost impossible to get into any other campaign these days. I was in the Nitrogensports campaign for like 2 years and then when it ended, I couldn't get into any campaigns at all because they were always full. It would be nice if they could lower the amount of paid posts a day to keep the campaign going for longer. I don't really ever make more than 5 posts a day anyways.

Better ignore this ignorant.

Who just came to post something and wanted to make it look like a constructive post .

Better he needs to undergo some test for suitability for his rank now,if it happens he is supposed to be a Jr.member now since he earned 1 merit since merit system introduced.

Well, that escalated quickly. Not cool.

^^^this right here is what you call "ignorance at its finest". it's funny when someone assumes what a country have and doesn't have.

the sentence sounds familiar, to be honest.

Ok *cough* racist *cough*.


How can you be so sure that these countries don't have large factories, or even no market system, how poorly do you think those countries are? And to go far as "this is the only way they earn money"? That's messed up mate. This impression of yours is very inaccurate. And what do you mean by "with the exception of prostitution and harvesting"?


I have a better idea, how about you fix that mind of yours? 

Might I add, Yobit Sig is not the only campaign he manages--there are 2 more campaigns under him. So it's going to be a lot of work. Not only he checks the quality of posts of participants to be eligible; he also creates its spreadsheets (except for Yobit); then he has to ban/warn people, creates a list of it; and ultimately, read thousands of PMs. That man is a living AI (just kidding).

Recently Yobit announced that the eligible number of posts will be reduced to 10:

And yahoo62278, is requesting for a merit requirement--to filter out the participants:

There are two situations that are causing this
- higher rates or obligation to post in gambling session, as bl4nkcode said.
-zero moderation

If a moderator just passed by deleting and locking threads, the situation would be much better. Additionally, after x posts deleted, signature ban for 2 weeks.

I think theymos could ask the mining moderator board to pay a v isit there, as that guy just deletes everything.

In fact, not 300 participants, but more than 500 are participating in the CryptoTalk signature. If additional managers were required, then for yahoo 62278 there would not be a problem to take such. He still uses the services of volunteers and even found an opportunity to pay for their assistance.

Its not going to make any difference if they appoint multiple manager for their campaign where actually chances of changing shitposters habit is 1%. Managers only can follow strict selection process to choose best participants for their campaign. If you want to educate low quality poster than its probably a meaningless try. Yeah its true that sometime its hard to go with a proper selection process but managers have the power to remove them or disqualify their post.

For yobit if you just look at its best side then i can say that we have been introduced with a lot of shitposters and you can easily find them by visiting yahoo's thread List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign and actually i am not seeing the necessity of having multiple manager.

Two? Honestly, make that three. If you even take Bitcointalk's users and separate it to the countries, you won't be shocked when most of them are from relatively low-income countries when compared to NA and most of the places in EU. Just a simple trivia, in Turkey, the minimum wage is about 2000 Turkish Lira per month, which equals to roughly 350 USD a month. 224 bucks a WEEK is literally enormous money for an average person living in Turkey, it's even worse when you do the math yearly. 11.6k USD a year? Make that almost 70k Turkish Lira a year. Mind you, a person working minimum wage is earning only 22-24k on average. This calculation is even worse for East-Far Eastern countries where even 1 dollar is actually considered "a good amount of money."

To be fair I can't really blame them for joining the campaigns. Before the recent changes you could get 0.004 BTC a day out of Cryptotalk's campaign. $32 a day ends up being $224 a week for a couple hours of shitposting a day. 11.6k USD a year is a very good salary in a lot of countries, and looking at the poor average quality of a lot of these posts I'm willing to wager that most of these people are not from English-speaking countries :')

The blame realistically needs to squarely fall on the shoulders of Yobit. I think it is still silly that a 300+ participant campaign has a single manager moderating it. It needs two, minimum.

Not money, greed. They shouldn't be joining such campaigns if it results in them posting very low quality posts just so that they don't get kicked out of the campaign.

This is the reason I don't spend my time there as you can't find anything good besides a funny chat with someone who loves the same sports like you and this should be worry for Gambling section. Today I've surfed some other threads besides sportsbet who is a funny thread to talk and make your statements about football ( in my case ) and the guys who are searching for scamming betting sites ( all my respect for them ) I couldn't find anything useful.

At least talk about sports and the teams you love and how passionate you are about those sports as this would be the ideal talks in Gambling section in my opinion. Don't trow all the guilt to signature campaigns...its the users who are doing the posts not the campaign...

I will further add that if anyone is not involved in gambling, he should not apply in gambling related signatures because this will only add to spam. How can anyone contribute to the gambling section (other then this site is good and this is bad), when he have no knowledge about the gambling. Maybe that's another reason why gambling discussion thread is more like a trash.

Another problem is that most of the campaigns and the long lasting ones are relate to gambling. I think more than 60% of the campaigns are for the promotion of gambling sites and there is not much choice.

I dont think thats possible. Advertising can still come in text and banners, assuming you don't mean removing signature altogether.

Nothing will change until theymos completely removes the ability to advertise in your signature space. Talking about it and pointing out issues is nice and all, but if you want actual change then start a petition or something and send the result to theymos, while I doubt he'll ever do that, remove signatures, but it would be a start.

..and to think that user is senior member with good merit and activity, has he lost his mind  ??


Campaign is giving money so in sense it's campaign


Or may be give preference to quality.

The irony of participants applying voluntarily for the campaign after reading all the details and then being "forced" to post in a certain board or comment on topics that he/she is not familiar with  It may be the money that is forcing participants and not the campaign.

I do not even think it's about being "forced" to post in a certain section, I would blame the fact that some users simply do not want to engage in the conversation, especially those which had been made prior to the time they want to post theirs, they rather would prefer to hurriedly make their post and go over to the next thread.

I love football, and I'm an active gambler and also active in that section, I find it very easy to engage in conversations on those sort of threads in the gambling section, I avoid topics that are not related to "football" in the gambling section, I know I might make a huge blunder if I comment on such topics.
Users should only make posts in sections thats comfortable for them, and on the ones they know they truly can contribute to the discussion.

This isn't a news, I remember pointing out similar observation back then when I was creating this thread; [Guide] Factors to consider before joining paid signature campaigns. in this case the users was advising supposedly gamblers (thread audience) not to gamble yet he/she was advertising a gambling platform to the audience. The gambling, Bitcoin and altcoin discussion board are board you should visit often if you intend reading ridiculous replies either out of topic or totally different from what's actually been discussed.

Hardly before you observe or engage in an interactive discussion on the board as most visitors are just there because their campaign requires them to. There are some special threads that take me to the gambling section which I mostly engage in conversation in (e.g Premier discussion thread) as you can have a reasonable argument probably leading to an interaction. This sport related threads are consider offtopic but I prefer them than most of the supposedly gambling related threads which are just host to spams.

Seems that the problem is going to be less severe. Yobit decreased the maximum number of eligible posts to 10 per day. Spammers will likely make fewer posts.
Here is the post made by Yobit account.

Most of the time these are people who have not and never are going to genuinely care about Bitcoin. The other case is that they are bought&sold accounts, so you have a knowledge disparity and the account owners don't know enough to comment deeply on anything bitcoin-related.

I call these borderline cases. They are on the edge of being spam but have commented just enough to sneak by. It's like when people are asking empty questions that they don't truly care about.

Example: topic="How to start trading?";reply="Well OP it would be great to have some more details on your trading like how much capital you want and what market you are going to enter, can you answer this?";postNumber=56

Partially... but he doesn't accept them: they are automatically registered via YoBit's website, which is why you'll see such crappy posts.

If YoBit cared. They launched the campaign several ties w/o a manager and only brought yahoo on board after the campaign started.

I think that @bL4nkcode have nailed one of the main issue - signature campaigns that requires to make x number of posts in specific boards like gambling. I'm not talking about this user particulary, but I often see people who aren't interested in gambling and don't have knowledge about it posting rubbish there. They are "forced" to do it if they want to get paid. Managers should check where user is posting usually before accepting him to campaign. And I know that best managers like DarkStar, yahoo, Hhampuz are doing it.
Another problem is users who post generic stuff everywhere. It's not that big problem as it was some time ago, but we still can see some spammers accepted to campaigns.
@hd49728, just turn off autocorrect or predictive text on your phone. Voila, issue solved.

Honestly it's depressing reading posts from a lot of people of all kinds of ranks now. It seems the problem with signature campaigns has only been getting worse in recent years. Now you have many, many Hero Member accounts and Legendary accounts which post completely lifeless things.

Earlier in this thread, I said that the pattern looks something like this:

Here's an example of a thread made in one of the Altcoin sections:




And here's three responses from Hero Members which honestly hurt to read and add very little to any kind of 'discussion' - not that the thread topic really fosters that anyway.




In all of these spammy posts the common theme running through them is that they latch onto some keyword from the OP or title, in this case IEO, and just say generic crap. The first post addresses the topic of the OP but it is clearly pretty low quality and just a combination of vague statements about how IEO is good, I'll be watching what happens with IEO in the future, etc. The second is a pretty poor post, doesn't address the original topic. Third post has the same problem.

Honestly, it's depressing nowadays to go through the forums and see so many crap posts. I think part of the problem is that it seems the Cryptotalk campaign is moderated solely by yahoo? He is a very good campaign manager but I don't think anyone can reasonably be expected to moderate 300+ participants on their own and the relevant sticky thread about signature campaigns does say something to that effect. Another moderator (not necessarily a 'manager' per se) for that campaign should at the very least be brought on - if they can afford to spend whatever they're spending right now, they can afford to pay another person to check posts.

Hi OP,
That post is mine. Honestly, it is my fault, because I posted that one on my phone, and there are something wrong with my phones, which trigger it automatically replace some words by default. I meant after I type wager or wagerer, for example, then when I move to next words, my phone will automatically replace these words with water or waterer, for example.
Honestly, again, when I made that post, I did not check it again and did not notice that typo. I got that issue months ago, and still don't know how to correct it on my phone.

Most of time, whenever I post on my phone, I reread my posts before posting, and after posting to edit if needed, but that time I did not check and forgot to come back to check. I made that one when I cradled my daugther when she slept after got fever. 

I decide to leave that post with its initial version. First of all, it is a typo, and not a serious one. I think readers can still guess what I meant. Secondly, I don't want to spoil initial evidence of that post. Just wait for feedback from the manager.

Anyway, it is my fault by not rechecking the typo after posting. I am thankful to you by bringing it here.
If you look at my post history, I am definitely not a shit poster.
Cheers

It's not possible I guess. Cryptotalk campaign has more than 300 participants and yahoo62278 is unlikely going to check all the post made by the users, not even possible. That's why it's very much important to recruit members who are active without signature. If users are active when they are active in a signature, is likely going to spam everywhere.
Requiring x amount of posts in certain board is a bad idea, but if Campaign manager spend more time when they accept participants, I believe spammer will not be able to get accepted in any campaign.

Well, let's just hope more campaign managers voice out their stances against this.

Yep.  I'm not sure which campaigns are currently requiring that, but I know the 777Coin one used to offer a bonus for post in the gambling section.  I suspect that members in such campaigns know about gambling but either don't know how to write in English, don't have anything constructive to say, or are just plain fucking lazy.

Notice that this happens with every signature campaign and not only in the gambling section.  These idiots just don't give a crap what they're writing about and put in the absolute minimal effort in order to get paid.  Guys like this one, who use the word "waterer" instead of "winner" (at least I think that's what he was going for ther) ought to be summarily banned from their campaigns, as they're clearly shitposting.

True, but that should be enough such that shitposters aren't paid for their crappy output.  I doubt any campaign manager is going to be checking all of the posts of the participants on a daily basis, and I think that's an unreasonable expectation.

Guys thanks for bring it on my attention and thanks to everyone for input their opinions, of course I will take appropriate action end of week (tomorrow). Kick out someone on middle if campaign would not wise decision. And I can't PM them about their posting behaviour for each post. I can take action only end of week. Of course I am visiting every member profile and post history occasionally. I am not just waiting for end of week. I have to check if they are wearing signature and related stuff and posting history. Making spam post after accepted couldn't prevent, that's why company hire manager to monitor them and take action.

I have been always work against scam and spam, so I won't make spam by signature which is manage by me. Just with single post we can't judge people about his whole profile. I didn't accept anyone who had not made post on gambling. If they spamming after accept then I have right to remove anyone without any explanation.  Those company paying just for posting on forum so they might have some minimum requirements. Making 5 post wouldn't very difficult for anyone who even occasionally posting there. Anyone who will not able to fill weekly requirements will cause remove. So spammer also will be remove.

Regarding concerns about gambling section, it will never end even I stop them to posting on gambling section. Honestly more than 80% post on gambling just because of signature campaign. Actually that posts are useless. I have seen previously that kind of thread regarding gambling section but nothing changed.


However, thanks for reporting, that's the way how we could build a decent forum. Also I will encourage to report moderators when you will find such as spam post. Your suggestion will be appreciated always regarding campaign since I am new on that field. Mistakes could happened by anyone so I am not out of that. Thanks once again and I have noticed few more participants and they might removed as well.

They will force to post in the gambling section even though they don't have enough knowledge on it, just because of reaching the weekly quota that eligible for them to get reward in a week. Almost flooding of spam and redundant replies of these two boards the gambling and gambling discussion in a single signature campaign.

This.
This is the right way we can help our managers by the simple clicking "report to moderator". If that is extremely irrelevant to the topic.

Reviewing posts once a week doesn't cut it, campaign managers should be doing this every day, dozens of participants of a single signature campaign can post enough shitposts in a single week to be annoyingly noticeable.

When the majority of signature campaigns require posts in the same specific section, people will post in that section just to be seen as someone who frequently posts in that section to get chosen for the campaign.

The only way to address this problem is to put pressure on campaign managers to not require posts in specific sections.

This has been a long-standing norm in the signature campaign scene. We find them as annoying as you do, especially those coming from the recent "pay-to-post" forum.

Unless the campaign managers step up their moderating game such as yahoo, we'll continue to see junks like this everywhere. After all, they manage several campaigns at once and each one have like tens of participants + the the posts screening process.

You can try reporting them, but I'm not sure if the mods are gonna take action or simply discard our reports, which affect our report score.

I agree entirely with boss @yahoo62278 comment up there. Also, the managers review the post at the end of the week. I believe boss @Coolcryptovator, who is new in this space, would give the best impression about his ability at the "counting day."

Besides, this shitposting issue happened quite often actually with other campaigns as well (it's not only about Match365).

Sometimes I want to tell the managers about some users who often shitpost, but I'm afraid that they will get me wrong. So I just reported it as junk or quoted the post and made a joke about it.

Yep. ^
Great way to illustrate what I mean, it's technically "on topic" but contributes 0 and makes no sense to actual english speakers or someone actually looking to converse over the topic.
Still useless posts of no value clearly intended to just force a low effort post out.

This is why the manager should be looking into the users old posts. If he does than then he will see if a user normally hangs out in the section where x amount of posts are required. If a user usually posts in that section, then getting his weekly number shouldn't be too hard.

Coolcryptovator is the manager and should probably be pmmed vs making a thread complaining. He is new to managing and will likely make mistakes as we all do from time to time.

Ooh, yes sorry, I didn't check full members, which I saw in Sr. rank.

Ooh, yes sorry, I didn't check full members, which I saw in Sr. rank.

I hope the manager will act as soon as possible for the sake of reputation.

The user referred in the OP is already accepted as a full member while he is a senior member.
I checked his merit history. I think every manager (except DarkStar_ for ChipMixer) would accept him if there are open slots.

As far as I can see in the spreadsheet the user is accepted as a Full Member instead of his current rank (Sr. Member) in the campaign.

The user you are referring to is not on the campaign list, ⚽️Match365⚽️ .

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ended-match365-signature-campaign-earn-up-to-0006-btc-5192881

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You can check the spreadsheet, the member you are referring to, only using the Match365 signature, but they are not accepted by the manager.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DohhS4dPQGl4nZ-BJHsnZL4WJGG1-FxhzHJPVtjYqkM/edit#gid=0

These lifeless posts happen everywhere. It’s a mixture of the poor control of the English language that these people have - likely due to how far signature campaign payments can go in third world countries - and, of course, the fact that they are forcing themselves to post in order to meet requirements.

It’s pretty common. Say for instance the topic is {technology_name} and a recent occurrence to do with it, these people will generally latch onto the name and say things like “{tech_name} is very interesting, it could be very good for bitcoin, I will be watching {tech_name} with interest”.

I normally report the posts which aren’t fully on-topic.

I guess my posts weren't something special too, if I had to make x posts per week in the gambling section.  
These days, most signatures are gambling-related and people try to join there even if they aren't active gamblers. Of course that's a problem and as far as I know the campaign managers check the post history if people are active in the gambling section and posting good content there, otherwise they get rejected.  
The problem right now is that it's difficult for campaign managers to fill all the slots for gambling related campaigns and then it happens that users are accepted who aren't bad posters but when they have to make the mandatory posts in gambling it's not easy for them to post good quality.
I can understand both sides here.

Unfortunately, there is no clear way to get ahead of this issue. The only solution you can do is follow the campaign manager/campaign's procedures to report an abuser. If the campaign manager has some sort of a blacklist that is somewhat globally followed. (Similar to SMAS) you can lean back and relax and rest assured that abuser is never going to join any other campaign, ever again.

Merit system is really amazing. But campaigns do not really value it that much from what I've seen. Rather than asking for "5 merits in the last 120 days" something like "20 merits in the last 60 days, 120 days." might be more useful. There are several factors for this suggestion I have. One is that you will never receive merit if your post does not contribute to the thread. Two if you are the OP, unless your thread is something that makes sense and/or gibberish that is not helpful in any way, you will not receive merit. Long story short, the merit system is useful, but it has to be utilised by campaign managers a tad bit more. Either put in a merit limit for campaigns, such as "400 or above" or just limit it to ranks.

This is what happens if a certain individual was part of a campaign but nothing to do with the type of project, just for example is that. If anything that doesn't really concern him but still have to posts then he will, whatever the outcome will be. That's why some managers include this on the rules:

Damn right.
You were just a few seconds ahead of me LoL.

That kind of posts happens when a signature campaign requires x amount of post in the gambling section whereas these users don't even know what gambling is, posting nonsense just for the requirements.
So if you don't know what to post in the gambling section, just don't participate in signature campaigns that requires it.

There is no doubt in what you say about the merit system. But according to what is shown in bpip.org, the post referred by the OP has been made by 192nd most merited user of the forum.

Yeah, I agree. Quite a few posts don't add any value sometimes.
Best example:


Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-factors-to-consider-before-joining-paid-signature-campaigns-5115291

The merit system is already a good tool preventing bad posters from joining a BTC-paid campaign but sometimes it's difficult to find users willing to join a campaign. yahoo62278 explained the situation very well:

Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52541607

In general, the rules are effective and small adjustments can be done manually like some sorts of warnings for users to improve the qualitiy of their posts or they will receive less BTC paid.

The thread itself is just wolf.bet's announcement thread of their site.
I can't make the assumption to say the account was bought and is being used to farm for sig campaigns, however it definitely should be considered violation of any signature campaigns that user is in.
This is just one example and took about 30 seconds to find, I see this all the time now.

About what you have quoted op, I also didn't quite get it since you only quote what that user just posted but as what I observed the thread that this user posted is in a thread of wolf.bet and streak bonus. Do you think that this account is bought from someone else?. This user also did not complete what he/she us trying to point out.

Thanks, I'll request it to be moved.
I agree though, this is mainly to serve as a warning to campaign managers that a lot of users are doing this now.
I think campaign managers get overwhelmed with the amount of different posts they go through sometimes, and something like this is easy to overlook thinking they did a good job and followed the requirements.

You got it in the wrong section. I suggest you to move it to the meta or reputation board. I think meta is the right place if I am not wrong.
It really seems the users lost his mind LOL

I've recently noticed a lot of people posting in the gambling section who are participating in signature campaigns,
that post lifeless stuff which makes no sense and basically just taking words from the topic / thread in random order.

They'll restate whatever the original poster said in their post, give some generic response that's barely coherent, and post.

EXAMPLE :



What the fuck does this mean?
I hope the campaign managers disqualify people like this who try to jumble random words together while putting 0 thought into actual content
It ends up causing half the gambling section to not make any sense or posts to have any conversational value.

This isn't an attack towards the campaign managers btw, it's directed towards certain participants themselves who half-ass their posts to cheat the signature campaign terms