Thanks for your overview and update, DannyH..... I think that it can help others to understand how you approach the matter, but also provide a decent model for any other member who wants to employ similar kinds of considerations.
It seems to me that more or less I was correct in the assessment in my earlier post that hypothetically, if a member had received negative feedback from your for something like "merit begging," and thereafter, the member were to discontinue merit begging, remove their retaliatory negative feedback of you, and became a better quality poster, then you may consider removing the negative rating, based on those kinds of hypothetical circumstances, if they were to exist favorably for the member.
However, I agree with you that in this particular case, the member seems to have doubled down in negative trust behavior rather than making any attempts at reform and therefore has a pretty low chance of any kind of recovery of the negative rating because s/he seems to have not learned from your negative rating nor attempted to make any improvement to the distrustful behavior.
Topic: Since I was asked about it (Read 216 times)
The current feedback page of Devawnm367:
Devawnm367 contacts me:
I respond letting them know that retaliation feedback isn't helping their case:
I then review their post history to see if I made a mistake.
I discover that AFTER being aware of their negative feedback for begging, then were begging AGAIN.
I post here making it clear that I'm aware that they are still begging even after being scolded:
You beg for merit, and you get negative feedback.
Then, instead of learning from your mistake...
You retaliate with negative feedback for your own mistake, and YOU BEG FOR MERIT A SECOND TIME?!?!
Go find yourself some ethics. Come back when you've matured. This forum needs a lot less people like you.
Devawnm367 responds in PM as follows:
And I respond explaining a bit about the trust system here and letting them know that saying the words "i did come at you respectfully" does NOT mean that they actually did:
Devawnm367 contacts me:
I respond letting them know that retaliation feedback isn't helping their case:
I then review their post history to see if I made a mistake.
I discover that AFTER being aware of their negative feedback for begging, then were begging AGAIN.
I post here making it clear that I'm aware that they are still begging even after being scolded:
Ok thank you i do applogize im only new, there was no need for red trust, Im simply learning it will not happen again id delete it if i could, My applogies
You beg for merit, and you get negative feedback.
Then, instead of learning from your mistake...
You retaliate with negative feedback for your own mistake, and YOU BEG FOR MERIT A SECOND TIME?!?!
Go find yourself some ethics. Come back when you've matured. This forum needs a lot less people like you.
Devawnm367 responds in PM as follows:
And I respond explaining a bit about the trust system here and letting them know that saying the words "i did come at you respectfully" does NOT mean that they actually did:
I wasn't going to bother with a thread about this, but I was asked here:
That was in reference to this exchange between JayJuanGee and Devawnm367:
Surely, I don't know the whole story of your situation, and maybe the whole story does not matter too much because I can gather a certain amount of information merely by looking at some of your post history, your trust rating and your so far received merits.
The truth of the matter seems to be that you have a lot of shitty posts, and some of your posts seem to be excessively obsessed with merit and NOT even expressing your ideas very clearly. Furthermore, you received 10 merits for a largely nonsensical thread that you had started, and you received those 10 merits on February 26, so I do not understand why you would need to be so obsessed with merit in the short term because, with those 10 merits that you already received, you have enough merits to rank up to member status, and you still have another 3 months (approximately) before you would even be eligible to rank up to full member, which requires 100 merits, as you likely know. Anyhow, DannyHamilton negative trusted you on February 26.
If you really are serious about attempting to earn merit and attempting to get your negative trust removed, then you would likely need to work pretty hard to accomplish such. It is not an impossible task, but it just seems to me that your whole approach, so far, has been a bit wacky with a lot of shitty posts.
To me, your posts are so shitty that you would likely need to engage in some efforts to improve the quality of your posts and for several months. Also, you should probably remove your negative trust of DannyHamilton (which seems to have been a retaliatory response from you towards him). Perhaps after you post quality posts for a few months, then you might want to PM DannyHamilton and ask him if he would be willing to remove your negative trust or if he has some conditions that he would like you to meet before he removes your negative trust. In the end, your negative trust is not going to stop you from participating in this forum - although it may prevent you from engaging in some signature campaigns, and if engaging in a signature campaign is your main goal, then it could take some time to resolve your matter and with some efforts on your side to consider ways to post quality rather than quantity.
By the way, I am giving you a general suggestion, and certainly I don't know whether DannyHamilton might NOT be willing to remove negative trust from you, but surely it seems to me that if you engage in quality posting and improve your approach and discontinue soliciting merits, then it is possible that he may be willing to consider such a request to remove the negative trust that he gave you.
NOTE: I would not suggest contacting DannyHamilton at all for several months, until after you have made some decent and materially demonstrable efforts to fix what he had negative trusted you for. On the other hand, if DannyHamilton has a policy to never remove negative trust, then your account is going to be labelled with that negative trust from him hence forth. That is not a death knell for your account, but would just be a factor and a part of the history of your account, that you could still improve with quality posts and discontinuing with asking for merits.
Below you can see how Devawnm367 responded...
Danny you saw this discussion upthread, right? It would seem topical for you to clarify your point of view about that recent discussion, no?
That was in reference to this exchange between JayJuanGee and Devawnm367:
Jayjuan i got negative trust for asking for merit... i have to google everything i googled howto gain merit, and a hero rank on the forum said i have to make quality posts, then went on to say even with 100 quality posts i may not get any, because they are so hard to come by people dont want to give them out, and then he ended it with the best way to get merit and (the quickest) is just ask... im only asking you because you are legend rank... is there anyway i can redeem myself and fix it im not trying to have a neg trust, simply followed what higher ranking of official said for me to do... please dont neg trust only want to know how i can fix it.... or what is the consequences because i got neg trust and reported.... and how can i fix it thanks
Anyone can answer this question, and it does not need to be me.Surely, I don't know the whole story of your situation, and maybe the whole story does not matter too much because I can gather a certain amount of information merely by looking at some of your post history, your trust rating and your so far received merits.
The truth of the matter seems to be that you have a lot of shitty posts, and some of your posts seem to be excessively obsessed with merit and NOT even expressing your ideas very clearly. Furthermore, you received 10 merits for a largely nonsensical thread that you had started, and you received those 10 merits on February 26, so I do not understand why you would need to be so obsessed with merit in the short term because, with those 10 merits that you already received, you have enough merits to rank up to member status, and you still have another 3 months (approximately) before you would even be eligible to rank up to full member, which requires 100 merits, as you likely know. Anyhow, DannyHamilton negative trusted you on February 26.
If you really are serious about attempting to earn merit and attempting to get your negative trust removed, then you would likely need to work pretty hard to accomplish such. It is not an impossible task, but it just seems to me that your whole approach, so far, has been a bit wacky with a lot of shitty posts.
To me, your posts are so shitty that you would likely need to engage in some efforts to improve the quality of your posts and for several months. Also, you should probably remove your negative trust of DannyHamilton (which seems to have been a retaliatory response from you towards him). Perhaps after you post quality posts for a few months, then you might want to PM DannyHamilton and ask him if he would be willing to remove your negative trust or if he has some conditions that he would like you to meet before he removes your negative trust. In the end, your negative trust is not going to stop you from participating in this forum - although it may prevent you from engaging in some signature campaigns, and if engaging in a signature campaign is your main goal, then it could take some time to resolve your matter and with some efforts on your side to consider ways to post quality rather than quantity.
By the way, I am giving you a general suggestion, and certainly I don't know whether DannyHamilton might NOT be willing to remove negative trust from you, but surely it seems to me that if you engage in quality posting and improve your approach and discontinue soliciting merits, then it is possible that he may be willing to consider such a request to remove the negative trust that he gave you.
NOTE: I would not suggest contacting DannyHamilton at all for several months, until after you have made some decent and materially demonstrable efforts to fix what he had negative trusted you for. On the other hand, if DannyHamilton has a policy to never remove negative trust, then your account is going to be labelled with that negative trust from him hence forth. That is not a death knell for your account, but would just be a factor and a part of the history of your account, that you could still improve with quality posts and discontinuing with asking for merits.
Below you can see how Devawnm367 responded...
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