Topic: slavery always was the condition of 99%+ of the worlds society and even elites (Read 797 times)

Watch this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9dZQelULDk

Most people are oblivious. And even those that knows can't do much. It's like being a puppet that can see the puppeteers' strings - it doesn't make much difference.

We can attain some level of independence but as long as we live in a society, we'll be expected to act like we don't have problems with said society. Maybe we'd get a hard reset with "Novel Corona" or maybe a war, etc. But history has shown us that inequality is the norm.

no joy in being a slave for me actaully would rather die.

Then I suggest that instead of working one of those job, volunteer yourself to become a slave, without the ability of choosing to get out. Have someone wealthy become your slave master, and you must do everything they said. And when you don't obey, if they wanted to they can give you a beating.

jes stealing value away is a big issue with spineless EU plutocrats.

All societies devolve and they collapse eventually. The current system can too. We have come to the point where competition can easily be quashed by the big players, that has already gained enough power to influence politicians.

We use their fiat because we have to but that doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare for whatever trainwreck they'll throw us next to steal the value of our money away.

what value is the choice if you have to compete with thausands of other proletarians for the capitalist banksters money, like a third world person in india, africa or latin america.

Yes. When you're forced to worry about your income then you have a choice on changing things and improving for the best. I realize you post is a troll post.

slavery is forcing others to do what someone else want's

you can use either direct violence -> like the slavemasters throughout history

or what is modern and considered better today is -> financial isolation

if you are financially isolated and helpless and a government/police is hunting for you, considering if you steal something, then thats a much stronger form of slavery.

a society that works like that will need a religion to keep people working and preventing them from doing suicide.

if you keep people like slaves only working while their life is trash they have historically often prefered suicide than continuing to work, for that religion was important and necessary,

islam for example says who suicideds burns eternally in hell, and if you convert to islam being a slave it doesn't free you, you stay a slave.

regards

those that print money are not the same like those that are forced to earn it to survive,

instead of imprisoning people in plantagions nowadays we run financial prisons. and let the survival and consumption drive of the people drive forward the system
oh and we hope to always find labourers who haveing fun doing the dirty and difficult and risky work

seems kingscorpio still has no clue what real slavery is

also seems he loves to promote religion.. however religion is just sheep following(which he describes as slavery).. kind of hypocritical

if you are not a slave, you become a parasitarian enslaver who isn't supporting the economy.

in reality almost everyone of humanity is in one way or the other a slave, salary slaves are slaves to their employers,

the employer is slave to the market and the state he has to pay taxes to, and even the state leadership and their financial leadership are slaves to the security and economic needs of the population.

you can't really be free of slavery. muslims seek freedom of the mind instead of political freedom because they always knew it can't be escaped. the islamic state destroyed iraqs and syrias economy and infrastructure and enslaved the people there, to rebuild everything again.

regards

They usually wouldn't rise up because in time of starvation etc. they couldn't feed themselves on their own and it was beneficial to be a slave to a good master.
Even if they could uphold themselves, it's questionable if they could 'rise up' since they certainly didn't have the power to do so.
It was customary to make slaves free men as a sign of good will in their older age or to virtue signal (at least in Rome).


We're at least allowed the freedom of movement and employment.
Our master currently just takes half of our income and tells us what we're not allowed to do in a smaller proportion.


No, the goverment is your slavemaster.
You're free not to work for your boss, but you don't have a choice regarding anything about the goverment. They enforce it because they have a monopoly on force.
Business is entirely voluntary.


If these people were dumped on a deserted island, and they had to work to eat they would say
"Nature is oppressing me! I'm natures slave!"
Natural state is no food.
You have to earn it, exchange something for it etc.
Someone has to produce it and you need to incentivize people to grow it and give it to you.


The pope never commanded armies.
He used his influence to persuade other kings to use their armies.

Since even our thinking and choosing is slavery to the bioelectric activity in out bodies and brains, it's time that we understand something that is very deep.

God is making children for Himself when he makes us. Children are little gods. God even calls us such in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The universe in which we live is very great. Nobody has but a sliver of understanding or ability regarding the universe. God is greater than the universe beyond how the universe is greater than we are. Everything that we think, do, or that happens to us, is training and forming so that we are pushed into becoming Adults.

But how do you make baby souls/spirits into Adult souls/spirits? Even God has made a big job for Himself when He decided to do this... make "companion Gods" for Himself, out of nothing. It will take all eternity to complete this task.

God is beyond even eternity and infinity.

I agree with you because in life we all have the freedom to live a normal life But this slavery society is ruining it It makes all the people of society oppressed Stupid and oppressed people are more prone to it Poor people are more enslaved to slavery.

We just ignore the small inconvenience that we end up getting used to it and now we get used to slavery.  Aren't we all slave to this economy?

During the time of Nikola Tesla he invented the coil tower which distributed wireless energy, everyone can just connect to it freely as planned but somehow capitalist aren't happy with it because there is no money to it. The end up using the technology of Thomas Edison.  We could have got these energy for free but right now we are force to work 9-5 in order for us to pay our bills.

thats true, but only if the money the servants/salary slave money/capitalist  earns is being treated with wisdom,

in a corrupt republic you money gets inflated away quickly, and only hard currencies count,

A serf cannot be king. A salaryman can become a banker or billionaire, etc. Life still sucks but there are more options to rise up in the ladder or at least life comfortably. Know the rules well and get your game up.

there is no big difference actually between serfdoom to financial nobility (bank/billionaires/equity billionaires with passive incomes) and official nobility (kings, firsts, barons, etc)

Um, the Middle Ages when serfdom was common also happened to be the time when the papacy was at its height. Only as organized religion weakened was there greater economic progress in Europe. I'm for freedom of religion but I'd rather have it separate from public life. I don't want to return to the time when the Pope command armies, etc.


I'm under the impression that everyone's a "slave" to someone. The goal is to reduce the number of masters one is beholden to.

plantations it is, well i am telling it very clearly also very important for black or africans to hear, in reality of human life always more than 99% where always enslaved even the top elite's where slaves, if you research the history of the russian tzar ivan the terrible, which was in russia known as ivan the strict, you will instantly understand that even top elites where slaves to the ruler.

and the sovereign ruler? he was usually a slave to a religion or nations mindset, take putin as an example he has to do what his nation is expecting from him, same with trump, and also the same was the case of ivan the strict, and of course the muslim chaliph

from that perspective i share muslims oppionion that it is the decision of higher beings than humans what happens. human's are never free, and human rights can only be truly given by god/gods etc.

We're all virtual slaves, but the difference is that we have a choice. We can choose to live a simple life, go live off the land, and not care so much about being down with the Jones. We have that type of freedom.

Comparing an outright slavery to wanna be slavery is either being economical with the truth or just a form of consolation to yourself or probably you are apologetic to the fundamental error that our forefathers have committed. How do you compare someone who could get raped, made to dance for its owners in nakedness, turned to a pimp, sold like a commodity or eventually killed for no justifiable reasons as to someone who probably getting paid for staying at home in the name of social welfare. Its not comparable and no one should not attempt to do such.

Poor little franky1. Remains a slave of his fear of reproach. Can't simply have a conversation without picking on the personal life of other people.

 

Doesn't "plantagion" have to do with botany?     

salary slavery= doing work to have money to actually do things with. to have choices of what to do with it
plantation slavery= not able to do things. all you have is food and daily punishment. and then still having to do work

.. so heres a question now that i have figured out that you are unemployed.
you are obviously receiving state social security.

have you even bothered to do the math of how much SS you get and how many hours of getting out of your house at $10 an hour that equates to.

i guarantee you it is no were near 40-80 hours
most social SS equate to about under 30 hours.

if you really think that doing something for just 8 hours a day 3-4 days a week is considered slavery. then you really have some issues you need to really sort out about your concepts of slavery

its becoming more and more apparent that you seem to be what is defined as a 'momma's boy' where you think people need to serve you and be slaves to you so that you dont have to do anything for yourself independantly.

you know. you think its your right to be paid to live and be lazy and not contribute to society
but here is the funny thing.
if everyone had your mindset. you would be living in a caveman era where all you do is hibernate in a cave starving to death where you do nothing for yourself and no one does anything for you. you end up dying alone
maybe you would actually prefer that lifestyle

why is plantagion slavery then illegal and salary slavery ok?

for me they look quite similar, alternative would be communism in which everyone is a drone with a function, well capitalism might very well backfire due to the corruption in the republics financial centers

Besides, if he falls off a ladder and breaks both legs, he just might lose his job. But he DOES lose it temporarily during the time his legs are being healed.

im starting to get the feeling that maybe you dont even have a job and you are actually trying to find excuses of why you want to perceive jobs as being slavery as some illogical moral reason to not go find one.

you know. thinking that working in mcdonalds or shelf stacking in a grocery store or being an uber driver is beneath some ethical line you have drawn for yourself. so you have pretty much imprisoned yourself(yes you imprisoned yourself) by limiting your own options

no one is holding a gun to your head saying you should work at mcdonalds. but with the same respect no one is holding  gun to your head saying you shouldnt work at mcdonalds.

only YOU have made the opinion that a job is slavery, because YOU have become a prisoner of your own prison

you can't quit a job like you want with a job you are building your life, only billionaires could do that, not those dependent to financially survive

(facepalm)
seems you have no clue what either actually mean

also you re not forced to be a serf. you can quit your job and find another. you can move house. you can do as you please.

slavery is about actual harm being dealt. you know physical injury. where you are a true prisoner. not a metaphoric prisoner

by the way if you are a true religious guy. i am ashamed that you even consider the atrocities of 2000 years ago being compared to being an uber driver today..
they do not compare in the slightest

serfdoom is same like slavery, in my oppinion west should return to religion, because atheism makes people claiming something pointless you can't trust the statements of anyone anymore, and people are becoming unable to communicate.

Way to start the year! 

We can argue that the rat race these days is similar to slavery but I personally think it's more similar to serfdom. You have rights (albeit not much) and you can buy off your freedom OR you can flee.

A medieval serf can flee to a town and stay there for a year and a day and he's free. A modern salaryman can cut his expenses for a few years and leave the rat race to be more financially independent. The modern man have a bit more options.

us-leadership clearly states that only god can give someone human rights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4mWPwjrfo

most americans are salary slaves, slavery was historically always in some sence skincolor or nationality based.

the arabs enslaved the persians once they conquered them, people have defended themselves from foreign powers for good reasons.

slavery will always exist, same like powerful and powerless people always existed.

it never was historically about putting the good guy into power it always was about preventing the powerful to do what they can.

regards

beyond this life? ok then why forcing your belief system on people who don't want to have something to do with it, or want to have a differen't religion, like a communist religion etc.

why be violent and kill + enslave innocent people who don't want to be part of your religous maniacism?

zergish style islamic society doesn't look attractive for a lot of people including many muslim women living in it, that then betrays their chaliph because they knew all islam seeks is to use women like cattle,

no form of race-based chattel slavery ever existed like it did in the US.  There have been many instances of slavery but none nearly as horrific and persistent as the one that took place here.  With that said, African Americans recovered from slavery and were repressed again in the early part of the 20th century.  I'd say those events alone warrant reparations. 

I'll spare you a history lesson but there was a time shortly after reconstruction where blacks had taken control of most local governments in the South and midwest via democratic demographics, skilled labor, and sheer numbers.   Many had began to amass tons of capital.  This led to the formation of Jim crow, the KKK, and events like the Tulsa riots were carried out across the country.  There were essentially  several decades of Kristallnacht.

You are missing the point. The point is beyond this life. Everybody who makes mistakes in this life, is a slave to the mistakes he makes. The culmination of these mistakes is death.

Jesus-salvation delivers from death. The deliverance will exist through the resurrection, into the new universe. Since nobody knows what the new universe will be like, we can only have faith that it will be for freedom, as Jesus and His prophets teach.

forget religion or governments.
even in a non-governing non religious deserted island there is not freedom

you still got to go out and find food. you gotta chop down branches to make planks to make a raft.
you still have to live by the rules of stay out of the sun to avoid heat stroke. make a fire at night to avoid the cold. eat to survive hunger and drink to survive dehydration.
you dont have the freedom to watch superbowl/sports anytime you wish. because there is no tv on a deserted island.
you cant just drive around and go to the store and buy things when you wish.. because there is no store no car.


yes some elitists think they are more freer because they dont even see the customers they are ceo of who are putting funds into the company.. they have accountants so they dont see the bank balance. they have vice presidents that oversee the main running over the company so they dont have to do anything.. and when they get home by the chauffeur driving them and then the maid cooking them food. the elitist feels they are more free because they do not feel the efforts involved in supplying them their needs.

but that does not mean they are free. and it does not mean the poor are less free.
but to even try to think that modern days working class are 'slaves' just shows how idiotic the misunderstanding the OP has about what a slave really is

there is no absloute freedom, in true sence, look at the islamic state in the middle east it is similar like christianity a protest movement against the established forces (chrsitians-roman state) -> (isis - us run world order)
olthough islam says serve no one but good, the muslims do solidarise with each other, in the face of nonmuslim banking cartel running a region.

once an islamist revolution stops existing it becomes a slavery style brainwashing society like what islam has always been, massively racist/xenophobic etc.

Sadly!

Martin Luther wasn't trying to break away from the Church. He was trying to reform it. But the Church kicked him out. Why? Because He had found the thing that the Church was trying to hide... Jesus salvation, and freedom through it. He didn't even realize that the Church was a slave installation until later.

How about you? Are you going to get free? Or are you going to remain a slave?

sadly once christians conquered rome and installed the papacy they started a new imperialism, and to run that economy they then tolerated slavery.

badecker is at it again...
funny part is he thinks religions sets people free

he doesnt realise more deaths are attributed to religion than anything

its religious people that consider people evil if they dont go to a certain location on a sunday. or if they love someone they are not married to or if... the list goes on

just because laws means your not free to walk into a school and shoot kids, does not mean your a slave.
just because you think your faith makes it ok to massacre many does not make you free

until you can actually understand the true plain meaning of freedom and slavery. you ill be stuck digging at a hole you cant escape.

badecker, your own ignorance is your prison

Being a slave to God is good. Why? Because, Galatians 5:1:
In other words, God set us free in Christ and His work of salvation that He did on the cross. Become a Christian by believing this, and never stop believing it, so that you don't burden yourself by a yoke of slavery again.

Of course, if your freedom is in slavery to death and destruction...

being a slave to god is then a good thing? or for egalitarian atheists being a slave to the infrastructure or central bank (commuinism) is a good thing?
shall we return to slavery then? the problem is as soon as there is a major power using slavery that is not racially defined, everyone anytime in the world could get caught and get enslaved by criminals

Slavery started as a voluntary thing that people did. Adam and Eve listened to the Serpent and ate the fruit, after God had told them that they would die if they ate. They volunteered themselves into slavery to the Devil and to death. We, having their genes passed down to all people, haven't figured out how to back ourselves out of the death slavery, yet.

you seem to have no clue what real slavery is,, and im starting to think your unemployed as your starting to appear to not even know what real work is like

maybe comeback with an opinion on slavery when even after working 80 hours all your given is a bowl of soup and a few bruises with threats of death

Around the Haw Ivan the emperor was treated as a slave but also in the traditional society 99% of the traditions were that slaves were among the lower castes along with the upper classes of the society. They captured the property of the poor and enslaved them.

job creation is the privilege of the rich and the banksters. they are therefor the slavemasters and the salary dependent workers the slaves

if you dont like your job... get another one. no one is forcing you to stay.
a simple 'i quit' is all thats needed

thats the big difference between things
slaves cant just say 'i quit' and find another job.

if you cannot see the difference then please learn it. dont compare slavery to these days working environments. they are no where near the same.

by the very fact that you can afford electric and phonebill and a device to be on this forum.
by the very fact that you have free time to be on this forum
by the fact that no employer/government has whipped or hanged you for being on this forum shows that modern day life is not slavery

so dont try to deminish the meaning of true slavery to be thought of as what we experience in modern times. true slavery was far worse and should not be compared to modern working environments

so its better to be forced to worry about your own income, instead of having and employer working for your sustainment

if you take the elites around ivan the terrible you will also observe rich elites that where treated like slaves by their emperor

There's a big difference between being a slave and a plantation worker. There's a difference between being a slave to your job and being property.

Technically we already have slaves in jail.
They were forcibly put in rooms with bars and are sometimes forced to do work.

I think they should be better utilized.

no master wants a slave that could anytime run away, thats an investment you can't rely on, there where reasons slaves where used as property many african americans where treated almost like family members in the end they even got the name of their slave masters.

regards

the problem with acceptance of slavery though is, that if it exists anyone could anytime theoretically get enslaved by criminals or greedy people

Exactly. But that is what I said in my post at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53487396.

When NASA or the media says something like "We went to the moon in 1969," do they mean that we all went? Do they mean that every last person on earth or in the U.S. went? No, of course not.

So, what did they mean? They meant that some people willingly donated to the project, and others were enslaved through their taxes to take part indirectly.

slave labour never was creative it was simply law value labour that had to be oversighted, slavemasters and slave owners of today are managers and equity holders, the system never changes 99% of humanity are always somehow in chains.

american government self claims publicly that human rights are god given temprorary privileges nothing else https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6fbAIWJB3Q

i wonder why they then attacked christian royalty in europe that had those god given human rights and privileges. nevertheless it allied with muslim monarchies against communism,

today usa becomes an anarchic form of communism with private tyrany pockets in it.

whats the difference if there is a banking cartel that exploits you and buys your women, so you can't marry at all because you have to earn money while your master just prints or lends it.

But then again, Slaves are still humans and are capable of learning and evolving. I'd say them being under a master and undergoing miscellaneous chores is because of their "current" incapability to do whatever they want. But after let's say, few years? That Slave would rise up and quit his job right? I'd say that's the reason for uprisings in the past to occur.

Taking into @BADecker example, You couldn't jump no matter how high, cause you are a slave. To gravity. BUT, give time, you yourself would learn to subjugate gravity right? Meaning, You are now a master of your own, so Jumping higher and to the moon is of no issue by then.

The world is really ugly and cruel maybe they're asking for some equality. Where in america the black people gets bullied or oppressed or treated lowly because of their color, maybe because they know what happened in history about their ancestors being slaves that's why they somehow carry some hatred towards the white, but in reality any people gets oppressed all the time and we're all slaves to something.

My first though was what the fuck did I just read lol

But, yeah, it's true that through history people voluntarily became slaves because they weren't able to feed themselves on their own so they subjugated themselves to a master who took care of them.

@OP
You don't have to use the banking system & therefore you're not a slave.

But slavery is good. Why? Because most people don't know how to live free even if it is offered to them. The slave makers, who live off the enslaved people, keep their hordes alive and well fed. They do this so the slaves can work harder for them.

How dumb are people? Imagine that you wanted to go to the moon. So, you go out on the parking lot at night when the moon is shining, and you look at the moon shining brightly up there. Then you jump. You jump again, harder. Then you give it your best, but you still can't jump to the moon. You are not free. You are a slave...

... and a good thing, too. Because if you had jumped hard enough to jump to the moon, you would have died in the airless, frigidity of space.

Good thing you are a slave. If you can't figure a way out of your slavery, you are probably safer within.

Btw, there are some smarter people who stole some of your labor so that they could "jump" to the moon using rockets. If you don't like being a part of their jumping into space, stop paying taxes... you slave, you.

i think your downplaying slavery abit

true slavery was the guys chained together so they couldnt escape the fields. the women were raped
and they both were not fed much because when the harvest season was over the land owners didnt care, they could get a fresh crew off the ships the next year so why feed the current crew over winter.

true slavery had torture, rapes, disease, malnutrition, death. involved.
it wasnt just 'low pay'

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i do agree that the modern workplace doesnt have a happy work/life balance and doesnt often offer a good living wage. but saying todays workplaces are slavery just kinda makes real slavery seem like its acceptable..
true slavery was not acceptable.

standards of living have increased. even without workplace ethics.. just human rights and equal rights has raised standards above slavery standards. .. the whole 'living standard' goalpost is way above slavery. but some can argue that its not a true happy free life of happiness and contentment with acceptable standards

african americans are pissed of since once they where put into so called "plantagions" where they helped growing plants (for the british or spanish empires), similar like other slaves throughout human history

but what is the difference between a plantagion and a workplace? effectively its the same.

there is either, you get ruled and to live under a nationalist or geographic banking cartel dictatorship (russia, china, usa, eu) or you get to live under an imperial financial cartel (british, spanish empire)

alternatively 99% of people are also defacto salary slaves in a marxist proletarian dictatorship.

and not to mention theistic middle eastern kingdoms, and not just middle eastern also african european and even aztec kingdom used and catched slaves.

what are blacks in america living in wealth complain therefore about?

regards