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Quote from: Nahl on November 21, 2021, 09:18:52 AM

skill and strategies are useless for this game and every rolls seems people only have less than 10% of wining chance so for me the most difficult game to beat during gambling is slot and so far i was never get decent winning during playing slots so this game is very unpredictable and i personally will avoiding and move away try another games instead of slot

Slots can go in cold streak for ages and you can hit max win in few bets too. Unpredictable RNG can result different consequences for gambler, I had checked the max win ratio for No Limit City provider slots and Book Of Shadows slot has 1 in billion spots to hit max win.

One out billion attempts? Those gamblers who are all aware of this fact, definitely will not try again with such third party providers' slots. Basically, there will be at least 500 million attempts (I am just considering the worst case as 50% of billion attempts) needed to have 2 max winners. This is the reason, I always look for starting a gambling business rather than just being a frustrated gambler.

Slots and dice are not having any big differences in results wise at least. But, mostly all crypto houses are having their own dice software and for some reasons we are not having any provider for dice gambling (please correct me if I am wrong).

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Quote from: Nahl on November 21, 2021, 09:18:52 AM

skill and strategies are useless for this game and every rolls seems people only have less than 10% of wining chance so for me the most difficult game to beat during gambling is slot and so far i was never get decent winning during playing slots so this game is very unpredictable and i personally will avoiding and move away try another games instead of slot

Slots can go in cold streak for ages and you can hit max win in few bets too. Unpredictable RNG can result different consequences for gambler, I had checked the max win ratio for No Limit City provider slots and Book Of Shadows slot has 1 in billion spots to hit max win.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on November 20, 2021, 02:42:53 PM

It's not just slots but other games too just like roulette, dice and card games like poker, blackjack. The similarities of all is no matter how many strategies you used it is all base on luck whether you are lucky or not. Mostly people lose a lot more than the amount that won. Some may win big time and some also win big time but it cover the total amount lose and only less profit.

I think for poke it goes back to the strategy we run because this is talking about tactics not just relying on luck alone.
on the other hand for slots it is even worse because this is pure luck because indeed we cannot know what will happen and hope to get the jackpot from there.
unfortunately they are too indifferent to this and this is understandable because of the fun in playing slots and the different visualizations when playing there.

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skill and strategies are useless for this game and every rolls seems people only have less than 10% of wining chance so for me the most difficult game to beat during gambling is slot and so far i was never get decent winning during playing slots so this game is very unpredictable and i personally will avoiding and move away try another games instead of slot

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Quote from: dbc23 on November 19, 2021, 10:19:18 AM

Slot is strictly on how lucky you get, the house always has the edge but the lucky ones still have a win although seldomly. Other than dwelling much on slot games dice could also be another better option since your outcome determines your win. It's more easier with dice but still not easy to catch up a win but if one can utilize their outcome then a win could be possible

One of the augment I always have with people is on this topic of slot being referred to as a game of luck, there are some skills that are applicable to slot games and if you play slot base on luck you may stand to fall apart.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 20, 2021, 04:04:16 AM

Dice outcome may be predictable but if it is played under a manipulated system without a probably fair system it outcome may be manipulated to favor the house.

You should stop your non-senses, there is no way you can predict the outcome of dice game even if you play dice with provably fair system. If you can predict the outcome easily because the game is provably fair, why dont you enrich yourself by playing dice game in so many provably fair dice sites? If you what you say is true, please teach people to predict the outcome of dice game and make all people rich. Can you?

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

What?If the dice games outcome could be easily predicted,everyone could exploit the dice games to make money and the online casinos would go bankrupt.
The "probably fair" system can be easily verified on most casinos,but you are talking about an "accurate forecast of the outcome" which is something completely different.Dice and slots games are supposed to be unpredictable.If those games could be easily predicted,then "strategies" like martingale could work all the time.

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House edge would just be added to the margin of error, if its all stated beforehand then you can work out if the results are likely fair or not after playing. Just have to play enough, someone would be able to prove its far outside correct outcomes if the machine were broken or corrupt for profit. Most people arent this methodical, its more likely some investigative site would be able to prove it one way or the other.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted

It sounds like you're very certain to win since it can be easily predicted. If thats the case why many gamblers are losing their money by playing Dice?

Quote from: robelneo on November 20, 2021, 05:21:12 PM

There's no guaranteed forecast and slots are designed to make you lose in the long run if you are trying to make money out of slots you'll be disappointed, forget about what you see in advertising where a guy wins a jackpot in a slot machine, it can happen but that does not mean it can happen to you, it's hard to manipulate the outcome, compared to dice where you can always change your setting and could change the course of the game.

Indeed, slot is a luck based game and strategy and skills are not necessary to win. Hence if you dont want to play games that are more on luck then you can choose other games that you can come up for strategy to maximize your chances to win.

The slot game will have its fan because it is one of the easiest gambling games that does not need much play. Because the luck-based game makes slot become a way for people to hit and run from the games and when they win, they can stop playing the game and leave it to enjoy their winning. But it also attracts people to play for more, especially when they lose some money. Only with control can people know when to stop.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted

It sounds like you're very certain to win since it can be easily predicted. If thats the case why many gamblers are losing their money by playing Dice?

Quote from: robelneo on November 20, 2021, 05:21:12 PM

There's no guaranteed forecast and slots are designed to make you lose in the long run if you are trying to make money out of slots you'll be disappointed, forget about what you see in advertising where a guy wins a jackpot in a slot machine, it can happen but that does not mean it can happen to you, it's hard to manipulate the outcome, compared to dice where you can always change your setting and could change the course of the game.

Indeed, slot is a luck based game and strategy and skills are not necessary to win. Hence if you dont want to play games that are more on luck then you can choose other games that you can come up for strategy to maximize your chances to win.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

There's no guaranteed forecast and slots are designed to make you lose in the long run if you are trying to make money out of slots you'll be disappointed, forget about what you see in advertising where a guy wins a jackpot in a slot machine, it can happen but that does not mean it can happen to you, it's hard to manipulate the outcome, compared to dice where you can always change your setting and could change the course of the game.

This is true and this should how people be looking about slot games or typically on luck based games because this isnt how reality works and its true that in the long run you would really be losing money for sure.

thats why its not bad on not to believe into those things about forecast or something like that because it doesnt really works on the first place and its true that something that happened into others

wouldnt really happen into you which you should really realize off those things first so that you would able to save your ass up.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

There's no guaranteed forecast and slots are designed to make you lose in the long run if you are trying to make money out of slots you'll be disappointed, forget about what you see in advertising where a guy wins a jackpot in a slot machine, it can happen but that does not mean it can happen to you, it's hard to manipulate the outcome, compared to dice where you can always change your setting and could change the course of the game.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

In my five years playing gambling I have not played slot this is mainly because I only play the one that I know and I am sure winning because what we are all looking for is to have fun and at the same time make money out of our fun in playing gambling.

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Forecast? What do you mean??
If the house edge is an actual discussion theme, the house edge is obviously over 4-5% on most slots, only a few slots of Thunderkick have a lower house edge than 1%. It is quite normal to lose more on video slots compared to what you can lose in dice, limbo, Plinko that have 1% or less house edge.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

It's because just as dice, it's a game of luck. Coming from the word itself, forecast, you're just giving possible results but they're not accurate at all.
As result, as you've said it is unpredictable so the house is always having a high chance of winning. There are gamblers that are lucky with this game but in most of the time, it's all about the house.

Slot is a basically luck game but in most casino house the house edge is always high and that result in player's always losing to the house because the slot machine are set to favor the house. I will prefer to play dice instead as it outcome is more predictable.

In the long term, the house always wins. So if you've once or twice won with a good amount, take that win and cashout it to enjoy.

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As result, as you've said it is unpredictable so the house is always having a high chance of winning. There are gamblers that are lucky with this game but in most of the time, it's all about the house.

In dice games the chance that the House will win is usually not that high. Btcgosu.com has a nice overview of the most common casinos and their house edges:

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As you can see, this already starts at 0.8%, which means that you have a 49.2% chance of winning a game and the house just 50.8%.

Thanks, I'm not good in statistics but this speaks the difference between dice and slot for the association with the house. Others might find it very little difference but that's still the actual difference.

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Quote from: jostorres on November 20, 2021, 01:50:27 PM

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Even predicting is not possible in neither slots nor dice, we may go for employing some strategy to extend our play for long run; still such strategies are helping only for playing more and definitely not for predicting the next outcome. It means profit making is not possible ever out of slots or dice.

Or else, if someone is too much interested in predicting the outcome, he can simply try to know the seed of the casino by hacking it and then, just do like many hackers did with PrimeDice and try to withdraw. There were winners (here: hackers) who got 100 BTC wins each time they gambled because they "knew the outcomes" of all those bets and it wasn't prediction, and many of them were even successful in withdrawing some part of those coins or even in full.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on November 20, 2021, 02:42:53 PM

It's not just slots but other games too just like roulette, dice and card games like poker, blackjack. The similarities of all is no matter how many strategies you used it is all base on luck whether you are lucky or not. Mostly people lose a lot more than the amount that won. Some may win big time and some also win big time but it cover the total amount lose and only less profit.

Don’t expect to win consistently agains the how, that’s now how gambling works and with slot forecast, I don’t think its possible. Slots are more on a system operated game, you’re lucky if your machines hits the jackpot but there’s no other way for you to make money aside from having luck with slots games.

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Its literally a game which doesn't need any skills to get the outcome so its pure luck which always decides the results and there are lot of different types of slots but everything is almost similar in long run you will lose your money. Cheesy

But again despite slot being luck base game some level of skills is also required to win the game. The house edge may be high and players may need additional skills to aid they winning.

I don't think we need any skills at all, probably the money management skill is important bit it doesn't ensure the winning for us it just save us from losing too much in the continuous streak because more often we get into the game completely and start chasing the money without actually realizing that how long you have been doing it.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on November 20, 2021, 02:42:53 PM

The similarities of all is no matter how many strategies you used it is all base on luck whether you are lucky or not. Mostly people lose a lot more than the amount that won.

But, this is how the chance based gambling games should work and people those are not ready to understand how these gambling should be working, may be complaining about it. Gambler must have enough idea about the possibilities of their winning against losing their bankroll before getting into gambling so that they will not try what is impossible in all chance based gambling. There will be no point of keep trying where winning is always impossible.

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Quote from: swogerino on November 19, 2021, 07:12:48 AM

In slot luck is a huge/big/great factor that determines the outcome.The first and foremost golden rule in slot machines is this:

"Each spin is completely independent from each other"

Now how programmers of the slot implement that above rule in their game play algorithm is not known and it will never be as it is the secret that made that slot provider successful (I am assuming only successful slot providers in here).
Based on that there is no accurate forecast for how the slot would behave in a single or a multiple number of spins.If that is not enough to hold you back keep in mind that near misses are another secret of the algorithm used to develop the slot which will deceive you into thinking next spin I am going to win or to get the bonus round.Trust me I used to play a lot slots but I have quit since April/May of this year or a bit later don't remember well when but I did because of the exact things I described here.

As simple as that, for example in a game like blackjack in which so many decks of cards are used unless the dealer shuffles after each round then the game has a memory of what has happened and this can be used to the advantage of the player, this is why a tactic like card counting works as you keep count of the number of favorable and unfavorable cards that have appeared and you adjust your bet accordingly.

But in a game like slots this is not possible as each spin is independent from each other, which means there is no strategy that can be implemented by the player to try to reduce the house edge the casino has over them.

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It's not just slots but other games too just like roulette, dice and card games like poker, blackjack. The similarities of all is no matter how many strategies you used it is all base on luck whether you are lucky or not. Mostly people lose a lot more than the amount that won. Some may win big time and some also win big time but it cover the total amount lose and only less profit.

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Quote from: Raflesia on November 20, 2021, 02:02:37 PM

For me in slots or dice games there is no skill in this game and indeed we depend on luck, so any predictions including the predictions you have will still not be accurate, even I have not found a special strategy in slots it all depends on luck and the same player others also rely on him there.

This game is for fun, there is no guaranteed result that what you bet is absolute luck, so it is indeed difficult for us to guess and we should not be too excessive in the desired result.

And what is luck? We call it lucky-based games, but that doesn't mean it's only luck! If you know what can you do with your bankroll you will have more chances to win! Having goals is also important, do you wish to double your bankroll or just 10-20%?

All gambling games are for fun! We all play games we like, and of course, we would like to win! To win you need to know a game, rules, you need to know what you can do with your balance and many other things... so you either play it with some logic, with some thinking, and you have higher chances to make some profit, or you are playing blindly with constant all-ins, where your chances for getting busted are crazy high!

Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game

After reading this I don't know should I laugh or should I cry! Imagine that, a gambling game that doesn't give an accurate forecast of the outcome! Hilarious!

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

It's because just as dice, it's a game of luck. Coming from the word itself, forecast, you're just giving possible results but they're not accurate at all.
As result, as you've said it is unpredictable so the house is always having a high chance of winning. There are gamblers that are lucky with this game but in most of the time, it's all about the house.

For me in slots or dice games there is no skill in this game and indeed we depend on luck, so any predictions including the predictions you have will still not be accurate, even I have not found a special strategy in slots it all depends on luck and the same player others also rely on him there.

This game is for fun, there is no guaranteed result that what you bet is absolute luck, so it is indeed difficult for us to guess and we should not be too excessive in the desired result.

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Quote from: Stedsm on November 20, 2021, 01:36:25 PM

Try to find games that are really predictable, like soccer, cricket, tennis, American football, etc. because you know the team's stats as well as their abilities and skills, so you can better predict in such games.

That must be the right suggestion for those who are looking for profit making out of gambling. Such Gamblers should try only sportsbetting because that could yield them some money if they are good at predicting the results of matches. This way, most of the the games in gambling world are suitable only for entertainment seeking gamblers. They need to consider the bankroll is for paying fees for those entertainment.

Even predicting is not possible in neither slots nor dice, we may go for employing some strategy to extend our play for long run; still such strategies are helping only for playing more and definitely not for predicting the next outcome. It means profit making is not possible ever out of slots or dice.

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@OP, be it dice or slots, nothing can be predicted. Both of them give random results based on the string hashed at that time and the generated results, so you really can't call yourself a predictor but lucky enough if you had a great gambling session whatsoever. I'd also like to point out that there's a house edge in these games and if it's very high like 3-4%, I assure you that you'll lose a lot more there. Try to find games that are really predictable, like soccer, cricket, tennis, American football, etc. because you know the team's stats as well as their abilities and skills, so you can better predict in such games.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 20, 2021, 09:25:25 AM

If slots can be determined, do you think there will be a slots program running today? We are playing gambling that's why don't expect that slots are predictable. The same on dice as even how hard you worked on it, there's no way you can determine if your next roll will be won.

That must be the basics of gambling industry and it seems that OP it is not aware of that.
Everything which are based on randomization then no one could determine what is going to happen next.
All gambling things are based on randomization hence if we tried to crack them down then we will lead to big disappointment as all our efforts will be ending up in vain.

Quote from: Distinctin on November 20, 2021, 08:29:29 AM

Just take it easy, don't complicate your way of having fun, there's no way you'll win here unless you are lucky.

That's the only thing about these games whether it will be slots or dicing. We need to be super lucky to make a win here. If we are not ready to accept this fact then over the time gambling will enforce us to realize this truth.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Ofcourse
It all depends upon the probability, which does mean that most of the times, you would not be able to predict anything for that matters and that's why people make comments about how the penny slots are way more worth than the dollar one's since at the end of the day the penny slots will give you more chances.
The dice game is better for me as compared to roulette or anything else since you get to choose the percentage of risk you are taking there, which would be much better in general. Most casinos have a fair system therefore most of these games would be based on sheer luck and how many hours you are willing to spend on the particular site and the particular game. That's why it's always better to choose games which needs skills more or so like blackjack. It gives you better options and option to brush up your skills as well.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

If slots can be determined, do you think there will be a slots program running today? We are playing gambling that's why don't expect that slots are predictable. The same on dice as even how hard you worked on it, there's no way you can determine if your next roll will be won.

Dice seems to you so I guess you have to stick with that. Don't mind slots now and focus on dice as you claimed, it's easy.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

It's hard to make a forecast on the slot but there are strategies that you can pick to strengthen your chances of winning in the slot if you are dedicated enough you can implement these stratregies, check out these articles and increase your chances if you find a slot as your game of choice.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

This is given since slot games are working under the system of the house so technically they have the advantage on this and this is a game of pure of luck.
Its hard to forecast gambling anyway, even if you make a lot of studies and research about it, you can't always win and if you do for sure you'll be on the red list and the house will start to monitor your activities because they can't afford that someone keeps on winning on their system.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Forget that thinking mate. There's no such thing as either dice or slot or any luck-based games are predictable. If playing dice is easily be predicted by you, can you share some of your roll histories? Maybe you just got lucky but I doubt your winning happens regularly.

Slots can't be predicted not because it's hard to predict but they are programmed based on the site's edge. If you want to test your luck at slots, choose slots with great RTP but don't think it's a sure win.

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We may have different views about slots but this game for me is based purely on luck.

A 5% house edge is too high, no one that will take this game seriously will win and enjoy a long-term success, all of them will suffer the taste of defeat. Also, you cannot implement a strategy to its fullest which is the martingale as definitely the house will set a limit so they'll always win.

Just take it easy, don't complicate your way of having fun, there's no way you'll win here unless you are lucky.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

You sound like you got lots of misconceptions against both slots and dicing.
Firstly, the provably fair system works and ensures how our luck factor acts real life. So, you never need to doubt it.

Secondly, outcome of dicing is exact same to slot's outcome. Could you explain your statement of how outcome of dice is easily predictable. If you are right like dice game's outcomes are predictable, then probably you might have bankrupted almost all gambling houses by this time and definitely not might not have created this topic about slots because for a billionaire (from predictable dicing), there must be other schedules to get busy with.

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I have never played a slot machine, nor been to Vegas. We are going to the Bellagio next week for a week. I have heard some hotels pay out better, but also heard not to do proprietary slots, as they pay out less. I also heard to not play ones with big play-outs advertised. My logic was to put in a set amount, expect to lose, and maybe score a few free drinks, and call it done.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on November 19, 2021, 08:45:22 PM

I was 10 losses out of 10, that is why I never play that game again,

Can't imagine how unfortunate you are. Maybe you are in rush or doing massive bets per spin. I'm sure to myself that in my 10 sessions, I will win at least 5 with a decent amount. It happened many times already at several sites and I can even dig a proof of that although that was time-consuming.

Of course, I will apply a betting strategy there and won't do a suicidal and random bet.

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Slot is a game of luck that is unpredictable and the system in playing it is always unfamiliar. It is really a game which one wins with luck , what always surprises me about slot same strategy can't be used in playing the game, though it's interesting game.

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Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Slot for me is an exciting game if you just want to try your luck or waste your time away, it's hard to win a slot game but there are people who are addicted to playing slot because of the stories that casinos circulated of people winning a lot of money from slot, physical casinos offer the slot to new gamblers because they know it can cause addiction, I read stories where people stay for hours playing slot.

If you are playing the slot for fun and not as a passive gambler who want to play for the money, but in the other hand slot just like dice is a game base on lucks and once the house edge is under check one is good to go.
Dice outcome may be predictable but if it is played under a manipulated system without a probably fair system it outcome may be manipulated to favor the house.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

There are websites that guarantee you that they have a provably fair system and you can always double-check whether they are saying the truth or not. Slot games are indeed one of the most famous games there is in the gambling industry, may it be in casinos or online sites. Maybe because this type of game requires minimal effort for the player because it also belongs to luck-based games. However, I must say that winning this game is also challenging because as we all know, the advantage is always in favor of the house because it is still a business after all and not a charity work or event to give out free money to the players. There is this thing called house edge that ensures the profit of the site/casino in order not to get bankrupt or suffer losses. If ever you think that the house is winning more than you do, maybe you can try to find another one that suits your playing style and is much more friendly to players (has lower house edge).

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Slot for me is an exciting game if you just want to try your luck or waste your time away, it's hard to win a slot game but there are people who are addicted to playing slot because of the stories that casinos circulated of people winning a lot of money from slot, physical casinos offer the slot to new gamblers because they know it can cause addiction, I read stories where people stay for hours playing slot.

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Also if I may add, there is also an element of 'near miss or near hit' in slots. Meaning you thought you have a good outcome on your favor, i.e getting 2 out of 3 characters to get a bonus.

Now you are encouraged to play more and thinking that you will get lucky and hit the bonus and give you a windfall, but it is not. You still have to play a lot of rolls just to be able to get that bonus round and maybe by that time, all your capital have been lost in the game.

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I think you misspelled the word forecast.

But according to the study, the house edge of a slot machine is around 5% to 10%, therefore there's no way you can win in the long run. This type of game is only good if you are lucky, or just trying to have fun, and that house edge will certainly make your forecast wrong most of the time.

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The house edge for slot machines typically falls between 5% and 10%, with most machines delivering a payback percentage in the 90% to 97% range. (If it's 90%, the casino's take—and the player's loss—is 10% of the coin in, for example.) But how can casino operators determine the best house advantage for their bottom line within that range? "It's really a pricing issue, because it's a unique product," said Lucas. "With real slots, the price isn't marked anywhere."

Source : https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/study-busts-popular-myth-that-gamblers-can-sense-differences-in-house-edge/

Thanks have corrected the misspelled words, but slot is based on skills even a 5% house edge is enough to make the players sufficiently equip with skills if not if a player depends on luck as you said it be practically impossible to win a slot game most especially when it against the house. But again if one is just playing for the fun of the game you can easily look away from the loses and continue to lose to the house edge. But if a probably fair system is in place a player may win sometimes.

They say it's based on skills but actually only gamblers who know how to cheat won the slots. Slots are programmed by computers, the house edge is high, therefore it's hard to convince me that it's won by skills. If Slots is based on skills then probably is also based on skills, a dice game has a 1% house edge and yet we are still losing in the long run.

I don't think slots require skills to win because there's just a small chance of winning here and there's no specific and effective strategy that we could apply to it. It's a pure luck game for me since the result isn't really predictable and there's no consistent sequence.

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Quote from: Sanitough on November 19, 2021, 04:46:13 AM

I think you misspelled the word forecast.

But according to the study, the house edge of a slot machine is around 5% to 10%, therefore there's no way you can win in the long run. This type of game is only good if you are lucky, or just trying to have fun, and that house edge will certainly make your forecast wrong most of the time.

If you have a poll here I don't think it will win against dice or any other games of luck the house edge is just too high compared to popular luck-based games, I have bad experience playing on a slot, I was 10 losses out of 10, that is why I never play that game again, I prefer playing crash game or dice when it comes to luck-based games where my chances are good.

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It can not give an accurate forecast as slot games are one of the gambling games based on the luck factor so the player can only play and use their strategy or modify the other strategy to find out which strategy can give them a chance to win. Although they can have a strategy that works for them to win, that will not be able to work many times because the algorithm of the games can change at any time. About provably fair, we do not know about that so maybe we can only guess and hope that the casino is fair for the player.

It is hard to make an accurate forecast on slot because the outcome is always unpredictable, what a player can do is to develop skills that can aid the player to win against the house which is at a minimal level.

I will only consider that we can make the closest forecast on the slot that will almost hit what we want but to have an accurate forecast, maybe that is about having luck in the slot games. It is better to win some money from the house and then leave the games rather than continue playing for other rounds because that will not guarantee more winnings. The strategy only helps us sometimes but not most of the time so we need to know when to stop playing the games before it is too late.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Lol, you are saying dice outcome can be easily predicted? Not sure what dice are you playing... but I am sure you are not gambling. If anyone could predict the outcome of the dice, the casino would end up going bankrupt. Users would clean the house. And it wouldn't be called gambling. Not only dice, you can't "forecast" any of the gambling games. If the provably fair system works in the favor of the house, then the casino you are talking about is scamming people. I guess you are talking about the "house edge" not the "provably fair system".

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The slot game is based on luck because the program gives an automatically random pattern, and some instances have the small odds of chancing to win. This is the reason why I'm not a fan of slot games because it the chance of getting a profit is too close to impossible like its all about your faith to win on this game. I'd rather to choose skill base games than slot game. Dice game if this is a machine game its not ideal to play for me but if this needs the essence of the human-like throwing the dice there's a chance you change the odds of the win.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house.

That's not actually a problem. It's been ages already where gamblers already know that slots are unpredictable nor a strategy can save their asses winning on that kind of gambling. Most gamblers not really thinking that way but just waiting for their turn that someday that big winning will be on their own hands.

For some experienced online gamblers, RTP is what they are looked at. For physical ones, layout, and looks.

The bottom line, gamblers play slots regardless if they aren't able to see the outcome (as it was impossible) or how provably fair works.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

That's why I only play provably fair slots.

They exist, but they're just not as fancy as the slots that NetEnt or Evolution offers.

They generally have much better RTP as well which is an added bonus. I simply don't trust the 'random' nature of non-provably fair games.

Would you mind on mentioning out those slots that werent provably fair on the first place? Its unlikely for some providers do really ending up on having non-provably fair slots
but on general sense i would simply step on into those famous providers out there which you could already presume out that theyre fair and good.
Im not really that keen on verifying out since slots do still always end up on loss most of the time.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

And can you predict dice outcomes?

Dice is just as random as slots if that is what you're wondering.

And no, there is no way that you are able to actually profit off slots in the long run, because the RTP to the player is always going to be <100% for the sake of the profitability of the house! It's all inbuilt to the game and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

That's why I only play provably fair slots.

They exist, but they're just not as fancy as the slots that NetEnt or Evolution offers.

They generally have much better RTP as well which is an added bonus. I simply don't trust the 'random' nature of non-provably fair games.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

That is why I seldom play slots it's unpredictable if you just want to rely all of your bet on luck then the slot is for you, but if you have a strategy on your betting dice, mine and crash games and sports betting are the games to choose, Slot is an easy cash cow for gambling operators online and offline, many offline casinos have sets of slots positioned in a place that visitors can easily see because it's easy to lose here.

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slots and dice are two traditional games for those who don't want to put in too much effort when placing their bets. just press a button and be lucky.
Slot machines feature a greater variety of combinations, which is why it's so famous. most sites also invest heavily in site look, animations, and bonus extra plays, which helps to attract players' attention to this type of bet.

And I disagree that slot machine bets cannot be verified, as if the site does everything correctly it is possible to verify.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 19, 2021, 10:42:18 AM

Its literally a game which doesn't need any skills to get the outcome so its pure luck which always decides the results and there are lot of different types of slots but everything is almost similar in long run you will lose your money. Cheesy

But again despite slot being luck base game some level of skills is also required to win the game. The house edge may be high and players may need additional skills to aid they winning.

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Quote from: sikke on November 19, 2021, 04:24:40 PM

He's talking about whether or not the game is provably fair.

For a lot of slots they are not provably fair but they are regulated by governments. So whether or not you trust that is up to you.

The same dice and slots can be provably fair man. You can easy count all probable outcomes in dice and slots and hash them to show later (big simplification of provably fair process). So even in such point of view there is no difference between them.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmm. What? Huh

The dice and slots are statically predictable games, like i know, that on long term the chance to get "6" from dice is 1/6. The same story with slots. I don't know exact amount of slot machine images, but i know that probability will be ratio between all outcomes and binomial coefficient of needed outcome (like n/m where m is all outcomes)

So i can't get why OP think in that way.

He's talking about whether or not the game is provably fair.

For a lot of slots they are not provably fair but they are regulated by governments. So whether or not you trust that is up to you.

I definitely prefer dice because of this aspect. If a company wanted to rig a game it would be super easy for slots.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmm. What? Huh

The dice and slots are statically predictable games, like i know, that on long term the chance to get "6" from dice is 1/6. The same story with slots. I don't know exact amount of slot machine images, but i know that probability will be ratio between all outcomes and binomial coefficient of needed outcome (like n/m where m is all outcomes)

So i can't get why OP think in that way.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

You can never give an accurate prediction in any game of chance. Even by flipping a coin the chance of guessing a side on the flip will always be 1/2.

Naturally, the playground always has an advantage over the player because it requires funds for its maintenance and this advantage exists in every game.

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Slots are one of those games that we really can't predict victory here because it's pure luck.
although many people say through certain ways or tricks to win but in the end it still comes back to the luck we have.
The mechanics of the didadam have been arranged in such a way to benefit the dealer and that's for sure because this game is different from predictable dice and roulette.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

House Edge of course it falls between 5-10% which it isnt really surprising that most players do lost in the end of the line.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/study-busts-popular-myth-that-gamblers-can-sense-differences-in-house-edge/
This is talking about physical slots.

This one is also worth to read.
https://www.canadiancasinos.ca/what-is-rtp-or-house-edge-in-online-slots/

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 19, 2021, 04:42:35 AM

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@OP mean is, for non provably fair slot.

So, most the time we can't verify did the "RTP" is the same like they are told on the site. You only can trust the casino & provider it self, so sometime user is really sceptical about the RTP they're playing even the casino already provider the information RTP.

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Quote from: michellee on November 19, 2021, 07:39:18 AM

It can not give an accurate forecast as slot games are one of the gambling games based on the luck factor so the player can only play and use their strategy or modify the other strategy to find out which strategy can give them a chance to win. Although they can have a strategy that works for them to win, that will not be able to work many times because the algorithm of the games can change at any time. About provably fair, we do not know about that so maybe we can only guess and hope that the casino is fair for the player.

It is hard to make an accurate forecast on slot because the outcome is always unpredictable, what a player can do is to develop skills that can aid the player to win against the house which is at a minimal level.

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Its literally a game which doesn't need any skills to get the outcome so its pure luck which always decides the results and there are lot of different types of slots but everything is almost similar in long run you will lose your money. Cheesy

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it will be difficult to predict slots and maybe it can be said that slots are one of the games that rely on great luck in it.
it's not without reason that we don't know what the mechanism is like because this slot is driven by a system that is arranged in such a way with a series of codes and traps in it.
we will not know where we will win if there is no leak by the developer

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Quote from: Sanitough on November 19, 2021, 04:46:13 AM

I think you misspelled the word forecast.

But according to the study, the house edge of a slot machine is around 5% to 10%, therefore there's no way you can win in the long run. This type of game is only good if you are lucky, or just trying to have fun, and that house edge will certainly make your forecast wrong most of the time.

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The house edge for slot machines typically falls between 5% and 10%, with most machines delivering a payback percentage in the 90% to 97% range. (If it's 90%, the casino's take—and the player's loss—is 10% of the coin in, for example.) But how can casino operators determine the best house advantage for their bottom line within that range? "It's really a pricing issue, because it's a unique product," said Lucas. "With real slots, the price isn't marked anywhere."

Source : https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/study-busts-popular-myth-that-gamblers-can-sense-differences-in-house-edge/

Thanks have corrected the misspelled words, but slot is based on skills even a 5% house edge is enough to make the players sufficiently equip with skills if not if a player depends on luck as you said it be practically impossible to win a slot game most especially when it against the house. But again if one is just playing for the fun of the game you can easily look away from the loses and continue to lose to the house edge. But if a probably fair system is in place a player may win sometimes.

They say it's based on skills but actually only gamblers who know how to cheat won the slots. Slots are programmed by computers, the house edge is high, therefore it's hard to convince me that it's won by skills. If Slots is based on skills then probably is also based on skills, a dice game has a 1% house edge and yet we are still losing in the long run.

The only skill a gambler can use in slots games is bankroll and bet size management, so he can play for longer, losing less money, consequently increasing the probability of winning money (considering the longer he plays, higher are the chances he hits a decent prize). However it doesn't prevent him from losing on long run, after many slots sessions, anyway.
Only very few people will be able to make profit from slots and those are the ones who hit the jackpot and never come back to play again in an attempt to be lucky again.

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Slot is strictly on how lucky you get, the house always has the edge but the lucky ones still have a win although seldomly. Other than dwelling much on slot games dice could also be another better option since your outcome determines your win. It's more easier with dice but still not easy to catch up a win but if one can utilize their outcome then a win could be possible

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

What do you mean players cannot forecast the outcome of the game? If players could predict which side would win then they would never lose, so that is a pretty redundant and meaningless statement. I fear you have conflated your inability to understand how the provably fair system works with other people being able to understand the explanation of how it works. In the simplest terms a game with no house edge would have a 50% chance of the player winning and a 50% chance of the house winning. The "house" in this case is a company that needs to at least make some revenue to cover operating costs so they must tilt the game in their favor. Which means they might set up a random number generator which will give them a winning outcome 51% of the time versus a player at 49% of the time. Over a short time frame a player might get ahead, but over the long term it will be the house that slowly wins the whole balance the player has deposited.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 19, 2021, 07:45:50 AM

As result, as you've said it is unpredictable so the house is always having a high chance of winning. There are gamblers that are lucky with this game but in most of the time, it's all about the house.

In dice games the chance that the House will win is usually not that high. Btcgosu.com has a nice overview of the most common casinos and their house edges:

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As you can see, this already starts at 0.8%, which means that you have a 49.2% chance of winning a game and the house just 50.8%.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

It is true that you don't know your exact chances of winning when you are playing the slot machines. When you play dice games or roulette you always know (or at least you can find out if you look it up or you can calculate it) how high the probability is that you will win with your pick. That doesn't necessarily mean though that slot machines have a lower chance of winning. Here where i live (Germany) every slot machine hast to be tested if it has a minimum winning probability by an independent technical association and only if it is approved by that association the slot machine is allowed to be used in casinos and i guess similar rules also exist in other countries.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Are you joking? If the outcome of dice game can be predicted easily, there should have been so many gamblers become millionaire by playing dice game only.
If you still think that dice is easy to predict, can you share how you predict it and how much you have earned by predicting the outcome?
The outcome of any gambling game is unpredictable, no one is easier to predict than the other.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game

That's what you call unpredictable, and is a major part of what makes gambling, gambling. It'd be pretty dumb to turn it into something completely possible for users to predict no? That'd be dumb and no one in hell would actually play it. All types of gambling games don't give an accurate forecast due to the number of possibilities that they have, not just slots. And slot is probably mostly preferred since it's simple, repetitive and amusing at the same time, simple as that.

Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Dice is the same as slots, they both give out multitudes of possibilities hence why guessing the right result is difficult.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

It's because just as dice, it's a game of luck. Coming from the word itself, forecast, you're just giving possible results but they're not accurate at all.
As result, as you've said it is unpredictable so the house is always having a high chance of winning. There are gamblers that are lucky with this game but in most of the time, it's all about the house.

Slot is a basically luck game but in most casino house the house edge is always high and that result in player's always losing to the house because the slot machine are set to favor the house. I will prefer to play dice instead as it outcome is more predictable.

This online slot are hard to cheat, so no one can use his skills here to win.

I saw some video on the real slot that there are people who are consistently winning, but they don't win in an honest way, they won through cheating.
You might want to check the video. == https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts70LHeJXU4&t=2002s== Just check the other episodes if there is, I watch it already last year, I feel I like to share it here.

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This is why slots and dice are games of chance. You literally cannot predict the outcome of any bet that you did, hence why you really need to cling on your lucky stars in order to win. Most of these slots and dice games are provably fair, and it's a good thing that casino platforms give you the freedom to check it for yourself. There are also a lot of ways to do it, and oftentimes platforms even tell you to do it before every bet that you make.

One thing's for sure though, there isn't any strategy that can win over dice and slots in a real-world scenario. You cannot beat the house long-term on these games.

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Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

It's because just as dice, it's a game of luck. Coming from the word itself, forecast, you're just giving possible results but they're not accurate at all.
As result, as you've said it is unpredictable so the house is always having a high chance of winning. There are gamblers that are lucky with this game but in most of the time, it's all about the house.

Slot is a basically luck game but in most casino house the house edge is always high and that result in player's always losing to the house because the slot machine are set to favor the house. I will prefer to play dice instead as it outcome is more predictable.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

It's because just as dice, it's a game of luck. Coming from the word itself, forecast, you're just giving possible results but they're not accurate at all.
As result, as you've said it is unpredictable so the house is always having a high chance of winning. There are gamblers that are lucky with this game but in most of the time, it's all about the house.

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It can not give an accurate forecast as slot games are one of the gambling games based on the luck factor so the player can only play and use their strategy or modify the other strategy to find out which strategy can give them a chance to win. Although they can have a strategy that works for them to win, that will not be able to work many times because the algorithm of the games can change at any time. About provably fair, we do not know about that so maybe we can only guess and hope that the casino is fair for the player.

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In slot luck is a huge/big/great factor that determines the outcome.The first and foremost golden rule in slot machines is this:

"Each spin is completely independent from each other"

Now how programmers of the slot implement that above rule in their game play algorithm is not known and it will never be as it is the secret that made that slot provider successful (I am assuming only successful slot providers in here).
Based on that there is no accurate forecast for how the slot would behave in a single or a multiple number of spins.If that is not enough to hold you back keep in mind that near misses are another secret of the algorithm used to develop the slot which will deceive you into thinking next spin I am going to win or to get the bonus round.Trust me I used to play a lot slots but I have quit since April/May of this year or a bit later don't remember well when but I did because of the exact things I described here.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 05:08:48 AM

Thanks have corrected the misspelled words, but slot is based on skills even a 5% house edge is enough to make the players sufficiently equip with skills if not if a player depends on luck as you said it be practically impossible to win a slot game most especially when it against the house. But again if one is just playing for the fun of the game you can easily look away from the loses and continue to lose to the house edge. But if a probably fair system is in place a player may win sometimes.

There's no skills in slots except for risk management which you could do on other gambling games and even if you have the skills it's still unlikely as you're going to get sucked in by the house edge if you keep on playing.

Third party slots or not the outcome is still the same though it's just that with provably fair slots it's more transparent as we're able to verify the outcome. One way to reduce this house edge is by joining contests but it's still not enough for compensation as it's a hit or miss since you're likely to spend more than usual given that you're competing against other players with bigger bankrolls.

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I think you misspelled the word forecast.

But according to the study, the house edge of a slot machine is around 5% to 10%, therefore there's no way you can win in the long run. This type of game is only good if you are lucky, or just trying to have fun, and that house edge will certainly make your forecast wrong most of the time.

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The house edge for slot machines typically falls between 5% and 10%, with most machines delivering a payback percentage in the 90% to 97% range. (If it's 90%, the casino's take—and the player's loss—is 10% of the coin in, for example.) But how can casino operators determine the best house advantage for their bottom line within that range? "It's really a pricing issue, because it's a unique product," said Lucas. "With real slots, the price isn't marked anywhere."

Source : https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/study-busts-popular-myth-that-gamblers-can-sense-differences-in-house-edge/

Thanks have corrected the misspelled words, but slot is based on skills even a 5% house edge is enough to make the players sufficiently equip with skills if not if a player depends on luck as you said it be practically impossible to win a slot game most especially when it against the house. But again if one is just playing for the fun of the game you can easily look away from the loses and continue to lose to the house edge. But if a probably fair system is in place a player may win sometimes.

They say it's based on skills but actually only gamblers who know how to cheat won the slots. Slots are programmed by computers, the house edge is high, therefore it's hard to convince me that it's won by skills. If Slots is based on skills then probably is also based on skills, a dice game has a 1% house edge and yet we are still losing in the long run.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

Can you explain that? It sounds like bullshit to me.

Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 05:08:48 AM

but slot is based on skills even a 5% house edge is enough to make the players sufficiently equip with skills if not if a player depends on luck as you said it be practically impossible to win a slot game most especially when it against the house.

Now it's pretty clear to me that what you are writing is bullshit. It contradicts what you said before. If it is unpredictable it can't be based on skill.

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Quote from: Sanitough on November 19, 2021, 04:46:13 AM

I think you misspelled the word forecast.

But according to the study, the house edge of a slot machine is around 5% to 10%, therefore there's no way you can win in the long run. This type of game is only good if you are lucky, or just trying to have fun, and that house edge will certainly make your forecast wrong most of the time.

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The price is right
The house edge for slot machines typically falls between 5% and 10%, with most machines delivering a payback percentage in the 90% to 97% range. (If it's 90%, the casino's take—and the player's loss—is 10% of the coin in, for example.) But how can casino operators determine the best house advantage for their bottom line within that range? "It's really a pricing issue, because it's a unique product," said Lucas. "With real slots, the price isn't marked anywhere."

Source : https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/study-busts-popular-myth-that-gamblers-can-sense-differences-in-house-edge/

Thanks have corrected the misspelled words, but slot is based on skills even a 5% house edge is enough to make the players sufficiently equip with skills if not if a player depends on luck as you said it be practically impossible to win a slot game most especially when it against the house. But again if one is just playing for the fun of the game you can easily look away from the loses and continue to lose to the house edge. But if a probably fair system is in place a player may win sometimes.

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I think you misspelled the word forecast.

But according to the study, the house edge of a slot machine is around 5% to 10%, therefore there's no way you can win in the long run. This type of game is only good if you are lucky, or just trying to have fun, and that house edge will certainly make your forecast wrong most of the time.

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The price is right
The house edge for slot machines typically falls between 5% and 10%, with most machines delivering a payback percentage in the 90% to 97% range. (If it's 90%, the casino's take—and the player's loss—is 10% of the coin in, for example.) But how can casino operators determine the best house advantage for their bottom line within that range? "It's really a pricing issue, because it's a unique product," said Lucas. "With real slots, the price isn't marked anywhere."

Source : https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/study-busts-popular-myth-that-gamblers-can-sense-differences-in-house-edge/

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on November 19, 2021, 03:34:32 AM

Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate focast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

I think even slot machines in a online crypto casinos can still be check if they are provably fair or not.

You can also read this thread: Slots 102: The Provably Fair Slots (with poll).

Of course, slot machine are pure luck base game so it is very unpredictable. But the thing is that most gamblers really only playing slots whether online or offline (traditional base casinos).

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I have always preferred roulettes, but dice is not bad either, there are many slot games that are also good, it depends on punter's interests. Know that some people are not after the gain, but to have fun. Know also that some people are not that after the gain but they do not want to lose. No matter the one taken, people can lose, people have more chance to lose while playing dice, that is the fact. There are other ones that people will play and gain. But we should always know one thing, that there is no much analysis when it comes to slot games, be it dice or not dice, it is purely more of a game of luck. Playing with what we can afford is just the best no matter the slot game we are playing.

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Slot is one of the most preferred gaming game in most casino houses and online gambling platforms but one of it major defector is the fact that players can not give an accurate forecast of the outcome of the game and how the probably fair system works in favor of the house. Apart from dice that it outcome can easily be predicted slot on the other hand is unpredictable.

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