Slot random algorithm for bonus game

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Quote from: swogerino on July 16, 2020, 07:04:56 AM

I have been playing a lot of slots lately and the end result has been always I have lost with few exceptions where I won with a 0.40 Eur bet 1000 Eur.The fact that the games keep you play or not is the bonus game which no slot provider tells its running frequency on the reels.How to check for example ones in how many spins a bonus round is guaranteed?I have taken notes and sometimes it has been 35 spins some other up to 350
spins without bonus game.These statistics are from Play n Go provider and Swords and the Holy grail slot.

Are they provably fair? You should only play on provably fair games if you are concerned about this kind of things.

I made calculations for a one in 10,000 chance jackpot :

Quote from: Saint-loup on July 01, 2020, 08:01:58 AM

Do you think (or anyone else) my calculations are correct :

If I have one in 10 000 chances of winning the jackpot at each spin it means I have 9 999 chances of missing it.
Thus I have 9 999/10 000 x 9 999/10 000 of missing it for 2 spins

So for 1000 spins I'll get
(9 999/10 000)¹⁰⁰⁰=90.5% chances of missing the jackpot
and 1 - 90.5%=9.5% chances of winning the jackpot at least one time

and for 10 000 spins
(9 999/10 000)^{10 000}=37% of missing the jackpot
and 1 - 37%=63% chances of winning the jackpot at least one time

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Quote from: Ucy on July 17, 2020, 03:59:13 AM

Does the bonus happen frequently at 35spins? How frequently? And how about the 350spins...i mean how frequently does the spin gives you the Bonuses? I guess if you really get the bonus frequently at both (35 & 350spins) spins then it could have some predictability to the "randomness". Maybe you just focus more on spinning at 35 & 350 to see if they are part of the answer. Just my opinion. Don't know much about the games

No, it doesn't work that way, there is no predictability in randomness, and as you get more data, not just 350 spins, you will really find out that it is completely random. You can get lucky to hit it in less than 35 spin or 350 spin, but that's about it. You can drain your money in minutes specially if you are a max bettor and never hit the bonus. And even if you hit the bonus, there's also no guarantee that you can get a good return, you can also get $0 bonus return, that's why slots games are very difficult to win.

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Quote from: Ucy on July 17, 2020, 03:59:13 AM

Does the bonus happen frequently at 35spins? How frequently? And how about the 350spins...i mean how frequently does the spin gives you the Bonuses? I guess if you really get the bonus frequently at both (35 & 350spins) spins then it could have some predictability to the "randomness". Maybe you just focus more on spinning at 35 & 350 to see if they are part of the answer. Just my opinion. Don't know much about the games

no they arent . you will know what will happen to the site if they put bonuses more often , yes they will bankrupt . although its random too and you can hit them on a few spins if you have been verry lucky . 35 free spins is already hard to hit , i only hit it once on my entire life playing slots but 350 free spins is close to impossible already . slots are one of the hard games on gambling because they have a high house edge compare to other games but they are fun to play

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Does the bonus happen frequently at 35spins? How frequently? And how about the 350spins...i mean how frequently does the spin gives you the Bonuses? I guess if you really get the bonus frequently at both (35 & 350spins) spins then it could have some predictability to the "randomness". Maybe you just focus more on spinning at 35 & 350 to see if they are part of the answer. Just my opinion. Don't know much about the games

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Quote from: mu_enrico on July 16, 2020, 12:22:57 PM

It's completely random and different for each game. Sometimes I spent too much time to hunt the bonus round and sometimes I got it in less than 10 spins.
Keep in mind that you can still lose even with free spins, so don't double down for the sake of hitting bonus round.

Playing slot is the fastest way to burn money. Be careful Wink

We have a winner here, Grin

. Yes it's random, you can even hit bonus round with your first spin or not even hit with hundreds or thousands of dollars as starting capital. For the near miss, that is the most heart breaking feeling specially when you are already down or you got it during your last spin. Been there, experience that. Sad

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Quote from: leea-1334 on July 17, 2020, 01:59:53 AM

Quote from: swogerino on July 16, 2020, 07:04:56 AM

I have been playing a lot of slots lately and the end result has been always I have lost with few exceptions where I won with a 0.40 Eur bet 1000 Eur.The fact that the games keep you play or not is the bonus game which no slot provider tells its running frequency on the reels.How to check for example ones in how many spins a bonus round is guaranteed?I have taken notes and sometimes it has been 35 spins some other up to 350
spins without bonus game.These statistics are from Play n Go provider and Swords and the Holy grail slot.

Well done on the x250 win,,, I guess that is the pure attraction of slots that you always bet a small amount and you never know if you can win the jackpot or a huge payout.

But I do not understand your actual question about bonus spins guaranteed, is that not explained slot by slot in the how to play?

No it is not in most of the slots.They never tell you the real hit frequency of hitting the bonus game.But I also have to the same conclusion discussed here that even when the bonus round comes it can not give you a big win,I have seen this pattern several times in the Swords and Holy Grail slot which unfortunately I have become addicted to it but I know how to stop.I will only play fun mode from now on.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 16, 2020, 07:04:56 AM

I have been playing a lot of slots lately and the end result has been always I have lost with few exceptions where I won with a 0.40 Eur bet 1000 Eur.The fact that the games keep you play or not is the bonus game which no slot provider tells its running frequency on the reels.How to check for example ones in how many spins a bonus round is guaranteed?I have taken notes and sometimes it has been 35 spins some other up to 350
spins without bonus game.These statistics are from Play n Go provider and Swords and the Holy grail slot.

Well done on the x250 win,,, I guess that is the pure attraction of slots that you always bet a small amount and you never know if you can win the jackpot or a huge payout.

But I do not understand your actual question about bonus spins guaranteed, is that not explained slot by slot in the how to play?

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Quote from: swogerino on July 16, 2020, 07:04:56 AM

I have been playing a lot of slots lately and the end result has been always I have lost with few exceptions where I won with a 0.40 Eur bet 1000 Eur.The fact that the games keep you play or not is the bonus game which no slot provider tells its running frequency on the reels.How to check for example ones in how many spins a bonus round is guaranteed?I have taken notes and sometimes it has been 35 spins some other up to 350
spins without bonus game.These statistics are from Play n Go provider and Swords and the Holy grail slot.

Quote from: ralle14 on July 16, 2020, 07:22:32 PM

It depends on the type of game, I enjoy playing those slot games where you can choose how many free spins you want on your bonus round but the downside in getting more free spins is that the multiplier is reduced by 1/3 and you can also do it vice versa.

I agree some slot games would sometimes tease you with 2 scatters then the next like 10-20 spins are all losses. Cheesy

Quote from: mu_enrico on July 16, 2020, 09:52:08 PM

Slot manufacturers build near-miss elements into their reels all the time, with the hopes it keeps players engaged, feeling like a win is nearby. Sometimes it’s deemed they go to far, although near misses themselves are not illegal.

@swogerino I too had this question in my mind but after burning my free coins, I have come to the conclusion that there’s no way to create a legitimate pattern to win in slots, it’s all about your luck and that’s it. mu_enrico you’re right as slots are made to be more engaging, and they’re also considered as an easy game which requires no skill set, hence everyone prefers to play slots more than any other game in the casino.

Some additional links to read:

https://slotegrator.pro/gambling_blog/algorithm_and_operation_system_of_slot_machines.html

https://www.wizardslots.com/blog/how-to-win-on-slots

Sources:

https://theconversation.com/designed-to-deceive-how-gambling-distorts-reality-and-hooks-your-brain-91052

https://www.gamblingsites.org/blog/11-reasons-why-gamblers-love-slot-machines/

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 16, 2020, 07:22:32 PM

I agree some slot games would sometimes tease you with 2 scatters then the next like 10-20 spins are all losses. Cheesy

This is called a near-miss

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Slot manufacturers build near-miss elements into their reels all the time, with the hopes it keeps players engaged, feeling like a win is nearby. Sometimes it’s deemed they go to far, although near misses themselves are not illegal.

https://www.knowyourslots.com/slot-vocabulary-near-miss/

Hence the best practice is to ignore this kind of situation, and keep in check with your planned budget.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on July 16, 2020, 12:22:57 PM

It's completely random and different for each game. Sometimes I spent too much time to hunt the bonus round and sometimes I got it in less than 10 spins.
Keep in mind that you can still lose even with free spins, so don't double down for the sake of hitting bonus round.

Playing slot is the fastest way to burn money. Be careful Wink

True! This is why its pointless when you are trying to take notes on because anything can be get in fewer spins or even more and thats why i dont mind that much
when i do play slots specially on searching up for that bonus round.

Quote from: ralle14 on July 16, 2020, 07:22:32 PM

I agree some slot games would sometimes tease you with 2 scatters then the next like 10-20 spins are all losses. Cheesy

Very much related. Cheesy

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It depends on the type of game, I enjoy playing those slot games where you can choose how many free spins you want on your bonus round but the downside in getting more free spins is that the multiplier is reduced by 1/3 and you can also do it vice versa.

Quote from: mu_enrico on July 16, 2020, 12:22:57 PM

Playing slot is the fastest way to burn money. Be careful Wink

I agree some slot games would sometimes tease you with 2 scatters then the next like 10-20 spins are all losses. Cheesy

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It's completely random and different for each game. Sometimes I spent too much time to hunt the bonus round and sometimes I got it in less than 10 spins.
Keep in mind that you can still lose even with free spins, so don't double down for the sake of hitting bonus round.

Playing slot is the fastest way to burn money. Be careful Wink

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I have been playing a lot of slots lately and the end result has been always I have lost with few exceptions where I won with a 0.40 Eur bet 1000 Eur.The fact that the games keep you play or not is the bonus game which no slot provider tells its running frequency on the reels.How to check for example ones in how many spins a bonus round is guaranteed?I have taken notes and sometimes it has been 35 spins some other up to 350
spins without bonus game.These statistics are from Play n Go provider and Swords and the Holy grail slot.

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