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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

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I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

On the contrary, it is not uncommon that no matter how many online casinos you visit and play, if you are not lucky, you will not experience big wins like x5000 to x9000. to be honest, I don't really study the ins and outs of slot games, because from my point of view this type of game is purely based on luck. sometimes RTP does not apply at all, after all in most cases we lose in long games. but it is undeniable, if cases like yours also happen to other gamblers. to be honest I don't have the right answer, but what is certain is that the luck factor plays a big role in the wins we experience. sometimes in sports betting, something similar can happen to you, even though the mechanism of how the bet works is actually different. but in any case, the role of luck is never separated from gambling, even though it involves knowledge, insight and skills, so imagine what types of games are purely related to luck. so wherever you play casino, if you are really lucky, you get the experience you are experiencing.

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It's wrong to say that RTP are the same at every casinos for a same game. Slot games are available in several versions with different RTPs, so a casino could have a version with 97% RTP while another could have the 95% RTP version of the game. Usually the RTP is indicated somewhere in the menus of the game, it's important to check it if you know the casino doesn't use the game versions with the higher RTP and to compare with other casinos where you have an open account. You can save money if the casino bonuses are rather similar.

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Quote from: hyudien on January 06, 2025, 08:30:02 AM

This is not a strange thing as well as people who believe this with the assumption that games that have high RTP values will easily give them victory while in my opinion it does not guarantee it either but it is the right of each to believe or not but I myself do gambling not leading to that, many casinos that I have visited have RTP but I ignore it,

RTP is what the games run on, you can ignore it you can think it's not that important but long run you're winning and losses are dictated by it.
And no, higher RTP values don't mean higher chances of winning, they mean lower chances of losing, for chances of winning constantly you will need an RTP of over 100, as anything below 100% will take money from you before returning a small share, which is just what RTP or "return to player" means.

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I think it's not strange in gambling, I also often experience things like that and that's what makes me prefer to move from one casino site to another regardless of the results, such as when I lose I will try another casino and when I win it's the same, the reason is because often the casino takes back the amount I have won before slowly but yes that's the luck scenario, there's nothing strange about it.

The point is regardless of the percentage displayed by RTP in the end it still depends on your luck for winning, and even if for example you manage to win at the casino you usually play but I'm sure that when you continue the game at that time or return to play at that casino but at a different time I'm sure that the results will not always be the same as before.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on November 17, 2024, 08:41:38 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

That's the slot game, RTP is one of the methods or strategies that is often used and commonly applied by online casinos, the RTP formula in slot games has become a favorite for some players, that's something that gamblers generally feel.

Many slot advertisements offer RTP in certain slot games, when we actually play, we never get RTP wins, that's just casino speculation to attract players, sometimes as you have experienced where RTP wins are obtained in other slot games such as Gates of Olympus, Sweet Bonanza, Lucky Twins Wild, Black Panther and so on.

For this reason, don't be provoked and tempted by offers of high RTP on certain slots, play on slots that you believe in, unexpectedly there is an attractive RTP to get.

This is not a strange thing as well as people who believe this with the assumption that games that have high RTP values will easily give them victory while in my opinion it does not guarantee it either but it is the right of each to believe or not but I myself do gambling not leading to that, many casinos that I have visited have RTP but I ignore it, for example when I want to play Sweet Bonanza but the display of this game has a low RTP value then I will not care about it I just follow my heart. Maybe for those who believe in RTP have their own reasons including my friend who always prioritizes this when he is going to bet on slot gambling and even though I asked about his beliefs he answered confidently that he could get a big win with a game that has a high RTP value.

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I think the whole RTP thing in slots is a bit tricky to pin down sometimes. In my experience, it seems like casinos tweak the RTP depending on the game or the platform. But, most of the time, it’s all a bit of a guessing game. You can’t really know for sure unless the casino is super transparent about it. I think using a demo mode like avia master demo is a good way to get a feel for a game without risking your money. You can check out how it plays and figure out if it's worth your time. It's always smart to test the waters before diving in, and it helps you make better choices, especially if you're into the numbers behind slots.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

That's the slot game, RTP is one of the methods or strategies that is often used and commonly applied by online casinos, the RTP formula in slot games has become a favorite for some players, that's something that gamblers generally feel.

Many slot advertisements offer RTP in certain slot games, when we actually play, we never get RTP wins, that's just casino speculation to attract players, sometimes as you have experienced where RTP wins are obtained in other slot games such as Gates of Olympus, Sweet Bonanza, Lucky Twins Wild, Black Panther and so on.

For this reason, don't be provoked and tempted by offers of high RTP on certain slots, play on slots that you believe in, unexpectedly there is an attractive RTP to get.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 16, 2024, 09:13:58 AM

Sometimes newer casinos set the RTP lower to make it harder for players to win and take their bankroll. They just started and don't wanna go broke in the 1st week. You can go to Pragmatic play website and check the RTP, there you will find the normal RTP. Then whatever casino you are playing on, you can look at the game description and check to see what they have the RTP set at. If it's set lower than the normal, don't play slots on that casino.

It will probably also depend on the casino's capital. Casinos with larger capital could take big losses even if they've just started their business/operation. Plus, because larger casinos can take those losses, then they probably shouldn't lower the games' RTP to make them another attractive choice for those users of the other casinos with larger capital. If they have that advantage over smaller casinos, then there's a higher probability that they will be doing that.

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Quote from: o48o on November 13, 2024, 01:49:19 PM

Casinos have no hand in rigging the slots because casinos don't own the slots. When you are playing online slots, you might be accessing them via casino, but in reality you are connected to the servers of the provider of those slots (like pragmatic play).

This is kind of confusing. There are some casinos, if you click on a game to play, it will take you to another site. That game is not owned by the casino but by a third party site that the gambler is taking to when about to play the game. But there are some casinos that you will click on the game and you will still be in the casino. That games is owned by the casino. But the games are just a replica of one another and they are programmed in a way that the casino will be making huge amount of money from its customers.

And you are basing this to what exactly?

First of all, user doesn't experience it like it would "go to other site", it just transfers necessary data from provider's site and to user it seems like casino is doing everything.
If some site would actually be hosting illegal replicas, you shouldn't play in that casino ever. But i don't even believe that without any proof, so show me a casino that does that please and i will confirm if your accusation is correct. It would need to be really small casino to pull that off without no one going after them, and small casinos like that wouldn't have enough users or money to pull off such scams.

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Sometimes newer casinos set the RTP lower to make it harder for players to win and take their bankroll. They just started and don't wanna go broke in the 1st week. You can go to Pragmatic play website and check the RTP, there you will find the normal RTP. Then whatever casino you are playing on, you can look at the game description and check to see what they have the RTP set at. If it's set lower than the normal, don't play slots on that casino.

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Some Pragmatic slot game are difficult to wins or hit big multiplier so we don't have to chase the win. But if you can wins in the other casinos, maybe you can still playing slot game in certain casino and leave the other casinos.
You don't have to risk your money by playing in that casino because you feel it is difficult to win in there. But you must realizes that winning in the slot game is not easy and if you still playing slot game, you must be careful because slot game can be very tempted.
The real reason why you can not hit the big multiplier is you don't have luck. That is what we needs to realize so we don't have to chase the wins.

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Quote from: dansus021 on November 14, 2024, 09:30:22 PM

Slot RTP on every casino speculation welcome to gambling freenn hahha I mean what you said sometimes can be true but all of this is just about the luck and maybe some casino have better RTP and some other are don't it just part of their marketing too in my opinion.

When you talk about pragmatic I meant this slot provider is hype all over the place maybe this is one of the reasons you rarely hit big fish because so many fisher in the pool and you are not the lucky one, and the other provider might have less fisherman

I agreed with you, indeed when discussing the gambling type of slots, luck is above everything, those who use tricks, patterns, or strategies that are said to be easy to get a victory do not guarantee it will definitely be able to get a win even though they believe in the strategy they have if indeed unlucky then there will be no victory that can be obtained. I wonder what the obvious purpose of the casino that provides my own RTP does not really understand.
Of course not a few who play this game, even if it is said to be a certain amount at a certain time, of course many people play it, and some people who are not fortunate to experience defeat but even so there are also those who can get victory only the number of people who win with the losers It's very much different for example 1/100.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on November 15, 2024, 06:52:38 AM

Technically you’re right about game provider is the only one who set RTP on slot games however we don’t know whether a casino can request to change their RTP to slot provider based on their preference. This kind of agreement can be protected by an NDA to avoid public notice.

I’m not suggesting that casino doing this manipulated RTP but there’s a possibility that this can be true since slot games are close source which means there’s no way to verify the game specs.

RTP manipulation happens but mostly on unlicenced and unregulated casinos that are not audited and monitored by third party and that's why I always advise playing slot games on a regulated and licensed casinos where RTP are audited monitored by GLI a thirty party regulatory body, they help monitor these things and make sure casinos found guilty of RTP manipulation loses their license..

There's literally no way any reputable casino would want to risk losing it license due to RTP manipulation so they always never do it.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

From my observation, I'd say RTP has everything to do with the frequency at which a win is hit on slot games, but has nothing to do with the timings at which these wins are hit! It's always a different ballgame and just like you said, it differs from casino to casino,...
See, the algorithm at which a win is distributed especially in casino games don't really have a fixed pattern...WHY? If they did, you(and everyone else) would study 'em pattern and the casino will lose everything after at the snap of a finger... Infact, the casinos are more vulnerable than y'all are since they deal with the public -- a number that surpasses the inhabitant of atleast one state!
That being said, everything is resuffled over and over again to ensure that if anyone must win, it'll be cus they've been lucky and not because they found a pattern to win.

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This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

Exactly! That's how it goes eitherways. What do you think is the reason why most people don't dedicate themselves to one casino all the time? They wanna try out other varieties cus they feel they maybe Lucky out there....

You've had enough suggestions already... I'm wondering if you replied to anyone on this thread just yet?

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Quote from: Rustam Meraj on November 15, 2024, 05:02:32 AM

Your experience with Pragmatic slot games is interesting. You have noticed different winning patterns when switching casinos even with same game making you wonder if payout rate varies between casinos. However RTP is usually set by game maker not casino. For example NetEnt Mega Joker has high RTP of 99%. Other top games include Blood Suckers 98% and Starmania 97.87%. Keep in mind that RTP is calculated over time and does not guarantee individual wins. Other factors can influence your experience such as random outcomes and win frequency and also bonus rounds and casino specific promotions or bonuses.

Technically you’re right about game provider is the only one who set RTP on slot games however we don’t know whether a casino can request to change their RTP to slot provider based on their preference. This kind of agreement can be protected by an NDA to avoid public notice.

I’m not suggesting that casino doing this manipulated RTP but there’s a possibility that this can be true since slot games are close source which means there’s no way to verify the game specs.

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Quote from: Josefjix on November 15, 2024, 04:46:21 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on November 13, 2024, 08:42:35 AM

Since slots works based on RTP then is all about luck to get one of those huge wins. You could get one of those huge wins on any casino, I don't think the reason of those wins was the fact that you moved to other casino.

And another factor to have in mind is that some users must lose firts, that way you will be able to get those huge wins.

What most gamblers don't realize is that whatever big wins they get, someone else has lost those big bags, and whatever you lose, someone else wins it. Players provide the majority of liquidity on gambling platforms. I'm not a slot gambler, but I occasionally spin freebets on slots games, and I've never paid much attention to RTP scores.

I assume that's why I keep losing in slots games. What is the recommended RTP score before placing a bet?

Gambling is a business where there is a profit gained by the host or casino and is obtained by the player, but the advantage is definitely gained by the host and the number of wins obtained by the casino is re -been to the player who is lucky to get a victory, the number of players who are Experiencing that defeat is a victory for the casino, but even so there are also some players who can get a victory but not many number whether it's victory or the player.
Some people who do gambling tend not to pay attention to the existing RTP value and in my opinion it is not a big problem because the victory that is in the same type of slot depends on the luck of each individual, there are people who are fully sure to the RTP but I still say the victory he gets is because luck.

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Your experience with Pragmatic slot games is interesting. You have noticed different winning patterns when switching casinos even with same game making you wonder if payout rate varies between casinos. However RTP is usually set by game maker not casino. For example NetEnt Mega Joker has high RTP of 99%. Other top games include Blood Suckers 98% and Starmania 97.87%. Keep in mind that RTP is calculated over time and does not guarantee individual wins. Other factors can influence your experience such as random outcomes and win frequency and also bonus rounds and casino specific promotions or bonuses.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on November 13, 2024, 08:42:35 AM

Since slots works based on RTP then is all about luck to get one of those huge wins. You could get one of those huge wins on any casino, I don't think the reason of those wins was the fact that you moved to other casino.

And another factor to have in mind is that some users must lose firts, that way you will be able to get those huge wins.

What most gamblers don't realize is that whatever big wins they get, someone else has lost those big bags, and whatever you lose, someone else wins it. Players provide the majority of liquidity on gambling platforms. I'm not a slot gambler, but I occasionally spin freebets on slots games, and I've never paid much attention to RTP scores.

I assume that's why I keep losing in slots games. What is the recommended RTP score before placing a bet?

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Casinos are designed to win money from gamblers.

I would say to hoover up gamblers money. "Win" would mean the use of fair algorithms/gears that secure the same chances for both parties involved into gaming. I don't believe into non-biased technique used any casino ^{either land-based or online} in the course of their operation, however sometimes gamblers may reckon upon the chance of success ^{if they are lucky}.

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Slot RTP on every casino speculation welcome to gambling freenn hahha I mean what you said sometimes can be true but all of this is just about the luck and maybe some casino have better RTP and some other are don't it just part of their marketing too in my opinion.

When you talk about pragmatic I meant this slot provider is hype all over the place maybe this is one of the reasons you rarely hit big fish because so many fisher in the pool and you are not the lucky one, and the other provider might have less fisherman

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It's just perception, there are other things that are different, the same game has a different minimum bet and there are even providers that change to ubtc and not to dollars, or mbtc (if you play in BTC) for the same game. But the RTP in the long term will be the same.

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No I don't think the difference is almost negligible to be notice, if you play hundreds spins which often happens if you are a slot player, you are very likely to notice it and to get higher losses with the slot with the smaller RTP (or higher house edge if you prefer) so I think RTP is one of the most important criteria when you are a player in the long run. Volatility shouldn't be forget of course, but RTP is more important for me. I've experienced the difference with several games.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

RTP is definitely not the same and the difference, in the long run, is terrible, a measly 1% in RTP means that you will lose close to 15% more of your money after 10 rolls of your initial sum, from 95 to 94 it will cut the time you lose half your money by 20%.

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

You know what they say? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence! So if you say things like this and you're so sure about it, how about we also speak on real cases with real evidence, otherwise it's just a claim in a sea of claims where everyone can say anything they've dreamed and think of it as the real deal.

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Quote from: o48o on November 13, 2024, 01:49:19 PM

Casinos have no hand in rigging the slots because casinos don't own the slots. When you are playing online slots, you might be accessing them via casino, but in reality you are connected to the servers of the provider of those slots (like pragmatic play).

This is kind of confusing. There are some casinos, if you click on a game to play, it will take you to another site. That game is not owned by the casino but by a third party site that the gambler is taking to when about to play the game. But there are some casinos that you will click on the game and you will still be in the casino. That games is owned by the casino. But the games are just a replica of one another and they are programmed in a way that the casino will be making huge amount of money from its customers.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 13, 2024, 08:18:34 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

I have experienced this but it was just beginners luck. I think the RTP differs from one casino to another. You didn't mention whether the time you hit multipliers are on you first plays. If it is so, I may just say it is beginners luck or rather there is the thing casinos do when the beginner wins big and then subsequent plays are not as the first one. This is just my theory though.

So the OP shouldn't complain first but look back and he might realize that he also hit a good win on the current casino or previous casino that he was playing before he moved on the other new one. About the beginner's luck, I'm not sure if there is such thing as that but luck must have no favouritism. Whether you are new or an old player, luck can strike at you, or not, because there are also newbies who started badly at first and eventually they only got improved.

Also, it may not really be luck that make us win but it can be intentionally done by the casino for us to keep on coming back at them. They prioritize newbies because this is where it all began and they can't have a loyal member eventually if without them.

As for the RTP, it is usually seen on the games but I think you are right that it can also differ from one casino to the other because there is this shady and scammy casinos and it is hard for us to win on them, no matter what. So it is important to choose only a trusted brand. There are still some that aren't really on the mainstream but generous, so it is also up to our feelings and experiences. When a beginner wins big, the casino can congratulate them and there is also this KYC that welcomes them.

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Your observation about varying win rates on the same Pragmatic slot game across different casinos is quite surprising and understandable too. While Return to Player (RTP) remains constant some factors like variability of the Random Number Generator (RNG) some game configuration settings and even statistical variance kinda contribute to difference in outcomes.

The fact is casinos claim to make use of randomisation algorithms just to make sure that the games mimic a real life situation or stimulation rather. However the idea is sometimes the odds may be on your side simply based on the outcome In mathematical probability.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on November 13, 2024, 06:22:01 AM

Yes. I will agree with you on this. I also have some conspiracy theories that some online casinos are manipulating the RTP to a point that it will be too difficult to win in the slot games.
My bigger question on this though is different. Do slot providers let this slide even if it will ruin their game? I mean, there must be a contract on where the RTP should be placed by the slot provider themselves but what if the online casino can also tamper on those? Gamblers will start hating the slot provider and not the online casino.

I have played slots for a long time and used 3 online casinos, one of them is a local gambling application and I have been losing most of the time not feeling any RTP even if I play for a long period of time. It's different when I use the international one, most of the time it's like playing tag with my money going back and forth.

I guess we're both from the same country, so I totally get where you're coming from. I have this same feeling too when I'm playing with our local online casino. I know most trusted slot providers are regulated, so casinos aren’t supposed to mess with the RTP. But like you said, it can feel different on certain sites. I’ve feel or noticed that some casinos feel fairer than others, even if they claim the same RTP.

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Quote from: len01 on November 13, 2024, 12:09:33 PM

I used to think like this but now I'm starting to think that what I get today is the result of previous losses.

You may "feel" it to be that way, that the casino is manipulating the Random Number Generator against you, but what that truly is is that you're merely being fooled by randomness. Because if a casino is truly manipulating the games, then all casinos or the majority are manipulating the games, which is laughable.

The casinos already have an edge against YOU. It's not necessary for them to manipulate anything.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

I think it's just a coincidence that works to the casino's advantage. It reminds me of a story about a guy who loved slots, and he especially liked a particular game in fantasy slots. He liked the interface of this game, and he often won on these slots.
And because of these two coincidences, this guy became too attached to this type of slots, which is why he began to play them constantly, and became a problem gambler. And it's all initially the fault of coincidence, well, and the interface of the slots.

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Talking about RTP I think I will say something based on my experience and research that I have done, in the type of slot game especially on the Pragmatic Play channel for example, there are indeed quite a lot of games that have a high RTP level but believe me that not all casinos provide an RTP percentage that matches the course of the game, or simply put high RTP does not mean that the game will run well, sometimes there are always casinos that manipulate it to trap gamblers into gambling more aggressively.

On the other hand, from what you experienced, I think you are not far from lucky when trying the second choice casino, as you experienced that at other casinos you always lose but when you return to the casino that you often use to play you manage to win, but I think you need to try playing at the second casino again, if it turns out that the results really keep winning then it seems like there is something special

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

There are two different people in gambling if it involves RTP, of course there are those who believe this is a benchmark for easy victory and there are also those who do not believe in this, actually it is the right of each because the one who gambles is ourselves and uses our own money so it's up to us how we respond to it, it's just that what must be watched out for is not to let addiction become a big part of ourselves like thinking that we can get victory for sure whether it involves RTP or not.
I myself don't believe in this because I play according to my heart's desire, for example I want to play one game and the game has a low RTP value but because my heart wants it I will still do it in that game. Besides that, I have never found or experienced betting on a game that has a large RTP that makes me win big.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 14, 2024, 03:13:27 AM

First, I don't agree with the so-called RTP, I only believe it existed in writing but not in practice. Also, your argument may be valid, but not always, the reason is that luck plays a key role in gambling. You might be gambling with a casino for long and not win anything reasonable, while a newbie who knows nothing about gambling may start playing right after you and persistently winning, that's how gambling outcomes could be funny. Although rigging can't be eliminated here too, the casino you were initially playing with might have a tough difficulty for you, and since it's their algorithm you played against, you can do little or nothing.

Gamble for long and not win is really normal, that's what RTP is, it doesn't make you earn. Actually when the gambler make money from the casino, it's an anomaly.

We can know the RTP if we gamble for the same amount for million times, like if the game has 95% RTP, it means if we have $1,000,000 and we only gamble for $1 per bet, the end balance should be around $950,000.

But, does a gambler that has $1 Million bankroll want to bet $1 over and over? I doubt it.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

First, I don't agree with the so-called RTP, I only believe it existed in writing but not in practice. Also, your argument may be valid, but not always, the reason is that luck plays a key role in gambling. You might be gambling with a casino for long and not win anything reasonable, while a newbie who knows nothing about gambling may start playing right after you and persistently winning, that's how gambling outcomes could be funny. Although rigging can't be eliminated here too, the casino you were initially playing with might have a tough difficulty for you, and since it's their algorithm you played against, you can do little or nothing.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

Saying RTP at a casino is no longer a strange thing, many casinos do provide RTP as a benchmark for the level of victory that can be obtained by players and some players also believe that they can win by betting on games that have high RTP. I myself do not believe in it, because I have proven it by comparing games that have high and low RTP where I experienced defeat in games that have high RTP and won in games with low RTP.
Unlike my friend who believes in this RTP and really plays depending on the available RTP value, for example he will place a bet and he sees a game he likes has a low RTP value then what he does is wait for the RTP value to increase, actually it doesn't matter because it's each person's right but during his gambling I have never seen my friend get a big win, while I myself have won a big win.

Therefore I believe more that gambling is based on luck alone, not by looking at the high RTP.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

It is luck not about RTP on every casino with the same game, it has nothing to do with it and RTP is just the percentage of return you get, I experienced the same thing but did not think about all that you have mentioned here.
Even though with low RTP it can still give win if we have luck, this is casino game and of course you own luck will affect the outcome.

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TBH, this was gambling fallacy.

Some of us have a thinking or speculation:
1. New account can boost or give you a big win before straight lose
2. Moving casino can boost your luck
3. RTP are shit or feeling being control.

In the end, no matter the discussion these can't be proven. The things you need to do just believe and trust to casino & provider for the RTP. The decision is always on your side, If yo not believe any programmer game just go to live-games.

We all know, (Slot) are being design by corporate to their market target was (CASINO). The favour must be in casino side, for long term.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on November 13, 2024, 06:22:01 AM

Yes. I will agree with you on this. I also have some conspiracy theories that some online casinos are manipulating the RTP to a point that it will be too difficult to win in the slot games.
My bigger question on this though is different. Do slot providers let this slide even if it will ruin their game? I mean, there must be a contract on where the RTP should be placed by the slot provider themselves but what if the online casino can also tamper on those? Gamblers will start hating the slot provider and not the online casino.

I have played slots for a long time and used 3 online casinos, one of them is a local gambling application and I have been losing most of the time not feeling any RTP even if I play for a long period of time. It's different when I use the international one, most of the time it's like playing tag with my money going back and forth.

But how would they manipulate them? Only thing they can do is select few different RTPs from the game provider’s RTP presets, and that would immediately show in the slot, because those providers are required by law to show it.

Casinos have no hand in rigging the slots because casinos don't own the slots. When you are playing online slots, you might be accessing them via casino, but in reality you are connected to the servers of the provider of those slots (like pragmatic play).

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Honestly I don't see anything strange from your experience, the point is I think it's quite simple to say that in the first casino you were far from lucky and in the second casino luck came at the right time so you managed to get some big wins, and if you are still curious then I think it's quite easy for you to go back to gambling in the second casino that previously gave you some wins, do it as a form of trial at least 3x and if it turns out that all those trials win that means there is a possibility that your casino account is quite special, but I'm not too sure that you will always be able to win at that casino. On the other hand you say that it's quite easy to make wins at your favorite casino, and if that's true then I think you should be quite rich now buddy. Grin

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

You just got lucky , IMO. We all know that the result in slots is affected by RNG. It is possible that you got lucky and you got a script that give you 5k to 9k multiplier. I do not think that a reputable casino will lower their RTP percentage, besides, I think RTP is about paying back to the player over time and it has nothing to do about getting a huge win as soon as you changes a casino platform.

Quote from: len01 on November 13, 2024, 12:09:33 PM

But when you just create an account at casino Y and try to bet a few times, of course you will continue to lose because you don't have a betting volume and more losses.

Not every time because there are new players that experience a huge win when they create an account to a new casino platform. I think new account getting a huge win is all in luck, which many calls it a beginners luck

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It could just be luck as others mentioned. Pretty much why we could have different experiences in certain casinos and particular slot games in terms of wins/losses.

In terms of RTPs, it's hard to gauge IMO as it is based on long term runs like hundreds of thousands spins or mills. Unless you have more or less hit around such threshold on both accounts perhaps we could look into it more.

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I used to think like this but now I'm starting to think that what I get today is the result of previous losses.
This theory is actually a little unreasonable but I have felt it when you often bet on site X and have a high betting volume and often lose, a few days later you will get a big win.
But when you just create an account at casino Y and try to bet a few times, of course you will continue to lose because you don't have a betting volume and more losses.

But this assumption is actually unreasonable but whatever I say is what I have done. So I will really say that it actually depends on luck.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on November 13, 2024, 05:30:28 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

That is gambling. It is about luck and you were lucky in the second casino while not lucky in the first casino. It can happen to anyone. But if you continue to gamble in any casino, you will finally realized that the casino will be winning more. Casinos are designed to win money from gamblers.

You know most times there are changes and I have experienced that as well, my experience is on plinko few days ago when i was playing that in a site and i noticed that my ball always roll down at the same point 0.5x, after i emptied my bankroll i stopped and continued the next time again and it was same place between 1x, 0.5x and 2x as maximum. But with same game i tried it in another site and i hit 10x, at first it was 4x then i play again i hit 5x i tried again hit 10x before i stopped not to lose all back to the casino.
Although i didn't have to panicked so much because i know is luck and chance based game, maybe i was not lucky in the first site and got lucky in the second site.

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Even in each type of game in one provider, the RTP is also different. Back to the final result of gambling, even though the RTP is high, it is not certain that the chance of winning can be as desired.
My experience playing slots can be said that I am not as interested as I am in sports betting.
Forcing every opportunity to play slots will not be good. There are times when we have to stop for a moment rather than choosing to force (self-control).

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

Where did you get this information? We can't know what goes on "behind the scenes" in a casino, right?

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

So the essence of RTP is that (RTP<95%), the longer you play, the less chances you have to win. Therefore, the chances of winning in the "old" casino are less than in the "new" one at the first stages. After some time, winnings in the "new" casino will become as rare as in the "old". Therefore, you should periodically "update" the list of your casinos.

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

Isn't this a reason to doubt the normal (at a different) level of RTP in different casinos?

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

Every gambler has to deal with this.

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Maybe it depends on the casino itself. It might be that they have variations on the games knowing that the RTP might be changed depending on the statistics that the players do on the casino games. Maybe the game who have a lot of winners games were adjusted so that it would be different. It could also depend on the volatility, we all know gambling is really a random volatile thing like BTC lol.

I just believe that it's random and some casinos might have taken advantage of as well.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 13, 2024, 08:18:34 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

I have experienced this but it was just beginners luck. I think the RTP differs from one casino to another. You didn't mention whether the time you hit multipliers are on you first plays. If it is so, I may just say it is beginners luck or rather there is the thing casinos do when the beginner wins big and then subsequent plays are not as the first one. This is just my theory though.

This makes me wonder about some details that I don’t see many people asking about. The most important of these questions is if the casino buys slots software from the game providers, who can technically modify the RTP? Also, we know that game providers and casinos operate under legal business licenses, don’t the licensors impose monitoring on the activities of these companies, including monitoring the settings to ensure the fairness of the game? If these details are not subject to monitoring, it would not be strange for someone to manipulate the winning percentages.

I totally agree with this idea: "I believe that casinos don't want plebs to notice that we're always losing, because it will absolutely make us NEVER return to that casino."

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Quote from: Oshosondy on November 13, 2024, 05:30:28 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

That is gambling. It is about luck and you were lucky in the second casino while not lucky in the first casino. It can happen to anyone. But if you continue to gamble in any casino, you will finally realized that the casino will be winning more. Casinos are designed to win money from gamblers.

Although that's true, the more factual phrase is, "Casinos are designed to win money, long term, from its users SLOWLY". They'll give you some opportunities to win and go home with some money, but if we're going to talk about long term winnings, the casino has the edge over the player.

I believe that casinos don't want plebs to notice that we're always losing, because it will absolutely make us NEVER return to that casino.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

So the best way is not to have 1 casino, I mean you have many options to play slots in different types of casinos. Because as far as I have experienced there is a fundamental difference with the regular casinos that we often play with casinos that are only visited occasionally, especially in Slot games which are relatively more often played, the harder it is to get a big win. Jumping from one casino to another and then from game provider to another provider is a personal way to find out the difference in each RTP.

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I never checked RTP on each slot game because that will needs more time to get the right slot game that we wants. I don't wants to spends my time to do that instead just check the newest slot game and try to play that slot games. If you want to win big money in slot game, you must have luck because that is the thing that all gamblers must realize when they playing slot games. Slot game is based on the luck so without luck, we can not win even for small money.

Pragmatic slot game is difficult to win as I already tried to play some slot games from Pragmatic Play. But I don't minds with my losses because the outcome when playing gambling is just win or lose so I must accept whatever the outcome. Maybe when you move to the other casino, your luck comes in the right time and help you winning a big money. Luck is important to have to win in the slot game.

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Since slots works based on RTP then is all about luck to get one of those huge wins. You could get one of those huge wins on any casino, I don't think the reason of those wins was the fact that you moved to other casino.

And another factor to have in mind is that some users must lose firts, that way you will be able to get those huge wins.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

I have experienced this but it was just beginners luck. I think the RTP differs from one casino to another. You didn't mention whether the time you hit multipliers are on you first plays. If it is so, I may just say it is beginners luck or rather there is the thing casinos do when the beginner wins big and then subsequent plays are not as the first one. This is just my theory though.

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We can create conspiracy theories, but I doubt we will be able to find out the real truth behind this. Each of us has different experiences with different casinos, and I believe that each of us has at least one bad experience at one of the popular casinos. I also have a blacklist of casinos where I only have losses, I feel it's up to my bad luck and just move on...

I guess it's hard to make any conclusions here... slots are all about luck, so we can never really know. But if someone feels that the casino is messing with RTP just leave it and move on. Warn others about it if you really think they are trying to scam people, people should be aware that something is happening, it's all we can actually do.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

I have published several threads regarding the same or almost the same topic and let me tell you that slots RTP can easily be manipulated by the casino operator and it is not the same after it has been tampered with. Pragmatic slot falls exactly in this category and in the Stake casino I have the world record of bad luck which equals to 17 consecutive buy feature bonus lost in a row. Lately they have changed the minimum bet and RTP and you will not lose again 17 buy bonuses in a row but you will still lose. So what you hit is 1000% casino dependent.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

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It's pretty idk, odd to talk about chances when it comes to gambling lol. Realistically speaking you're never going to play that big amount of games to the point where the RTP would 100% show that it's, well, the RTP of the game. You will inevitably fall on one side, losing more or winning more. Pretty sure you just chanced on the losing side for that specific time. Well at least that's my take until someone actually shows proof other than their "gut feeling" and yes, this counts as one.

Never really found anything odd with my slots personally though. Not that I take the time to try and check which casino I win more in the first place.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

No, Slot RTPs in every casino are not the same, nor the difference is negligible. I can happily tell you that if you want to play slots with the highest RTP, Metawin.com is your best bet. Metawin has officially stated that their games use the highest Return To Player settings provided by their slots games providers.

I think that different RTP setup can be the reason why it's sometimes hard to win in some casinos but it's easier to win in other casinos but besides RTP, luck plays an important role. You might accidentally and luckily win in one casino but lose in another casino.
Also keep in mind that there is a thing called Live RTP. Slot might have 99% but for a certain 24 hours, it's RTP might be 24%, for another 24 hours, it might be 136%.

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All we can do here is just mere speculation but I do experience this on my gambling activity from multiple casino. This is the reason why I play on multiple casino to find what casino will give me some good result.

We choice to leave the casino if we are not comfortable with the result to play safe. But technically, Slot RTP should be the same on all casino since they are just add by the casino as 3rd party games only.

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I experienced that before but I consider that is because I don't have luck when I played that slot game. That makes me difficult to win the slot game and only lose my money. That is a risk that I will get especially if I keep trying to play another slot game. We can not win a huge money if we don't have luck so we must realize that luck is the important thing that we must have. It is difficult to win some money in slot game or even hit the jackpot and only those who have a big luck that can hit the jackpot.

We should thinks that we don't have to chase the jackpot or huge winning because we must consider that will not easy. We can lose too much money if we forget to limits our gambling activity. So it is better we don't think about RTP or else and only enjoy our time to playing slot game.

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Yes. I will agree with you on this. I also have some conspiracy theories that some online casinos are manipulating the RTP to a point that it will be too difficult to win in the slot games.
My bigger question on this though is different. Do slot providers let this slide even if it will ruin their game? I mean, there must be a contract on where the RTP should be placed by the slot provider themselves but what if the online casino can also tamper on those? Gamblers will start hating the slot provider and not the online casino.

I have played slots for a long time and used 3 online casinos, one of them is a local gambling application and I have been losing most of the time not feeling any RTP even if I play for a long period of time. It's different when I use the international one, most of the time it's like playing tag with my money going back and forth.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 13, 2024, 03:49:22 AM

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

That is gambling. It is about luck and you were lucky in the second casino while not lucky in the first casino. It can happen to anyone. But if you continue to gamble in any casino, you will finally realized that the casino will be winning more. Casinos are designed to win money from gamblers.

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I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.

I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.

This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.

I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?

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