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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Yes when you are a normal gambler or a person who knows who the casinos induestries works on the head of the people who plays in it.

You know that little wins are made to let your brain think he is winning something and wants to catch more the cheese or the jackpot who is more far away. And yes when you know it is also a joke and made you annoying.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

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What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I don't usually invest my time playing on slots, but if I had to guess I would say such a thing is made on purpose by casinos and game providers in order to keep people psychologically engaged and they continue to wager money. It would be more frustrating for anyone to start to accumulate loss after loss and not seeing any "win" after several tries, so they do this in order to keep the illusion of "winning anything".
I have only played slots a few times and in my opinion this is one of the reasons I would rather to use my time on other games like Blackjack, where there is at least the illusion of choice and strategy, given by the game to the gambler.

In the end, if anyone of us feel the game we play does not give us joy any longer, it is better to quit and move onto a different one

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Quote from: vs2014 on January 10, 2025, 04:05:18 AM

But once you understand the meaning of the various terms and how online slots work, it becomes a simple process and can enhance your online gambling experience. So even though the slots are random, players can still improve their experience by applying certain strategies. So we should provide a rundown of how the slots work below. The best strategies for online slots include managing your bankroll and choosing games with high rtp to return to the player. Play within your limits and take advantage of bonuses and free spins. Remember that online slots are primarily based.

Slots are already simple but sometimes people are just curious. We always want to know what this and that term means, so we research them. It gives a satisfaction though and a sense of achievement or confidence, that once again our knowledge have increased. Some terms are still important to understand if we are taking the game seriously, like for example the odds.

Managing a bankroll seems basic and not really what we called as a strategy and in fact slot is a luck-based game, so like they say, there is no real strategy here.

As for the bonus, sadly the casino only choose the slots games with the high RTP. They are still wiser than us after all; this is the reason, we always should remember the famous saying, "house always wins in the end". It all means, you may win and enjoy in-between.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 08, 2025, 10:02:55 AM

It would be lovely but I doubt that will happen.

It's hit or miss, I think that's what you are saying. It's either 0 or x1 - x1000+ no decimals. Well, there are games that don't use decimals in casino games but I have not yet bumped into one in slots. Maybe there's one that we have not yet known and some did.
Still, I am frustrated with other things in slots than that. Like getting 0 - x5 in free spins. I will take an x10 but I am frustrated when it goes lower than that especially if you bought it, that's more hurtful.

Yeah, I can relate, mate. At one point I decided to never buy bonus rounds, unless it's some kind of challenge where that is required. It's rarely worth it. You pay $20 and then if you get 75x of your basic bet, it's still $15, so, you are at loss of $5 while it looks like you've won with a good multiplier. That's frustrating.

Regarding your doubt, idk, who knows? Among thousands of slots there could be a couple of that type that I proposed. And even if only 1–2% of gamblers preferred playing them, it would be worth it.

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But once you understand the meaning of the various terms and how online slots work, it becomes a simple process and can enhance your online gambling experience. So even though the slots are random, players can still improve their experience by applying certain strategies. So we should provide a rundown of how the slots work below. The best strategies for online slots include managing your bankroll and choosing games with high rtp to return to the player. Play within your limits and take advantage of bonuses and free spins. Remember that online slots are primarily based.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

It has always been a kind of this when you bet with lesser amount of wager with low odds.
Being sincere I feel bad after picking my games and just to find the potential winning amount being small with how much risks I am think I've already taken on my games decision.
But the truth is that if we want to win big then we should bet big wager to probably take higher decision risks.

I think in this case we are talking about odds and also probabilities in gambling, so it is undeniable that the size of your bet will of course affect your chances of winning big or not, but in this case when we set a bet of 0.2 but win with a smaller win, it can actually also happen when we also set a bigger bet such as 0.8 but win 0.5, So it does seem like a win but it's actually a loss for us Grin

, small bets with low odds often result in small wins, but I think this also makes the risk of losing money smaller for us to be able to enjoy the game longer.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

It has always been a kind of this when you bet with lesser amount of wager with low odds.
Being sincere I feel bad after picking my games and just to find the potential winning amount being small with how much risks I am think I've already taken on my games decision.
But the truth is that if we want to win big then we should bet big wager to probably take higher decision risks.

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Quote from: Woodie on January 09, 2025, 02:48:51 PM

But the secret with slots is to have not less than 200 spins on your side and if you are after some monster multipliers you can try a minimum of 500spins and leverage that high RTP for a handsome payout...otherwise anything less than this you could be chasing your loses Cry

So my rule of thumb is plan your way to profits before you hit the spin button Cool

Yeah right, that 500 spins is equivalent to the super bonus buy of most slot provider that often gives the monster multiplier compared to 100 spins equivalent normal bonus buy.

Although the problem on manual spin especially on some slot provider that doesn’t have turbo spin is the boredom on looking to bunch of dead spins and to the spin that almost get you in to bonus round but short with 1 scatter symbol.

I always preferred bonus buy compared to manual because I don’t have much time to look at each spin due to my eyes condition.

I think we can't plan a win at all and even when we are unlucky then all the spins will not get a good return.
I often experience this, even in 100 to 500 spins I don't get a decent win, one of the reasons is I'm unlucky. Even when I use the buy feature, I don't even get a multiplier at all, yes that's because I'm unlucky.
But on some occasions too, when I do 1 to 5 spins, I can even get a bonus spin and with a big win too. So once again I think we can't plan a win.

if you think about it we can plan the victory it seems like it can make us get more profit than defeat, besides planning the victory is almost the same as the dream of everyone who gambles with the dream of wanting to get a big win. If we can plan the victory then I will not work better to gamble continuously just like a job in general.
Gambling is very tight with luck, I once found the remaining balance in my casino wallet was only enough for one round, even with the lowest bet amount, on a whim I clicked on it what happened I got a free spin, this was really beyond my prediction and with the total amount of profit from the free spins was quite large.

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Quote from: hyudien on January 10, 2025, 01:38:14 AM

I think we can't plan a win at all and even when we are unlucky then all the spins will not get a good return.
I often experience this, even in 100 to 500 spins I don't get a decent win, one of the reasons is I'm unlucky. Even when I use the buy feature, I don't even get a multiplier at all, yes that's because I'm unlucky.
But on some occasions too, when I do 1 to 5 spins, I can even get a bonus spin and with a big win too. So once again I think we can't plan a win.

I can handle to spins from 100 to 200 spins without use the buy bonus feature. But as you say, that still difficult to win some money because that will depend on our luck and that will happen too when you use buy bonus feature. Playing slot game need luck so whether we use manual spin or use bonus buy feature, we really need luck to win.

But when you have your luck, you can win easily and even that will only need 1 spin and you win big money because you hit big multiplier. I have experienced what @Betwrong experienced and I am sure that many of us also have the same thing. So we don't have to chase the win because that can cost us too much money.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

This kind of victory always happens, in the bonus round only gives low fraction once and the amount of victory is much lower than the amount of bet we set, this is the victory that I hate the most from the slot game even though I used to get this kind of victory several times in buying bonus.
Remain the same and even though it is always experienced by gamblers with unreasonable victories, slot remain one of the most popular games with multiplier offers reaching tens, hundreds and even thousands of times which makes gamblers tempted to play to get the multiplier.

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Quote from: Woodie on January 09, 2025, 02:48:51 PM

But the secret with slots is to have not less than 200 spins on your side and if you are after some monster multipliers you can try a minimum of 500spins and leverage that high RTP for a handsome payout...otherwise anything less than this you could be chasing your loses Cry

So my rule of thumb is plan your way to profits before you hit the spin button Cool

Yeah right, that 500 spins is equivalent to the super bonus buy of most slot provider that often gives the monster multiplier compared to 100 spins equivalent normal bonus buy.

Although the problem on manual spin especially on some slot provider that doesn’t have turbo spin is the boredom on looking to bunch of dead spins and to the spin that almost get you in to bonus round but short with 1 scatter symbol.

I always preferred bonus buy compared to manual because I don’t have much time to look at each spin due to my eyes condition.

I think we can't plan a win at all and even when we are unlucky then all the spins will not get a good return.
I often experience this, even in 100 to 500 spins I don't get a decent win, one of the reasons is I'm unlucky. Even when I use the buy feature, I don't even get a multiplier at all, yes that's because I'm unlucky.
But on some occasions too, when I do 1 to 5 spins, I can even get a bonus spin and with a big win too. So once again I think we can't plan a win.

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Quote from: Woodie on January 09, 2025, 02:48:51 PM

It is quite annoying if you are playing on a small bankroll and all your spins come short with $0 or less than the base bet Roll Eyes

But the secret with slots is to have not less than 200 spins on your side and if you are after some monster multipliers you can try a minimum of 500spins and leverage that high RTP for a handsome payout...otherwise anything less than this you could be chasing your loses Cry

So my rule of thumb is plan your way to profits before you hit the spin button Cool

I highly agree, I also noticed that if we spin more than 100 on the same spin, the chance of winning become slimmer and often times if we continue and stick on the same slot the whole session the series of dead spin is noticeably increasing and at the end of the session we find our bankroll depleted and if ever we hit a bonus round it often gives a small payout. I even experienced 0 wins from the triggered bonus spin.

Quote from: cryptoaddictchie on January 10, 2025, 12:30:52 AM

Probably it would be popular but winning with less than bet are made so it would be fair also on their side. If tis only higher and bigget then they wouldnt have a chance to earn too. For sure thats part of the system of the game they made.

Even in casino I always won less than my bet its quite frustrating but thats how the game works. Also you have chance to win bigger by some promo or event or combo in the game.

It would be if the player hit often but if the player hits rarely then many will avoid it. Just like what the earlier replies stated, many slots player prefer to have at least a return on their bet even if it is just the fraction of it so that they can play longer and have more chance of triggering bonuses and high multiplier wins.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Probably it would be popular but winning with less than bet are made so it would be fair also on their side. If tis only higher and bigget then they wouldnt have a chance to earn too. For sure thats part of the system of the game they made.

Even in casino I always won less than my bet its quite frustrating but thats how the game works. Also you have chance to win bigger by some promo or event or combo in the game.

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I barely find those half-wins annoying because I get to put more bets in and they make my sessions longer compared to the games with slightly better payouts.

From my experience, those games with bigger payouts are annoying and punishing knowing you can't do much about it aside from jumping to another game. Even if you hit their smallest multipliers, you'll still pay by losing the next 10-50 bets until your bankroll can't survive to land another win.

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Quote from: Woodie on January 09, 2025, 02:48:51 PM

But the secret with slots is to have not less than 200 spins on your side and if you are after some monster multipliers you can try a minimum of 500spins and leverage that high RTP for a handsome payout...otherwise anything less than this you could be chasing your loses Cry

So my rule of thumb is plan your way to profits before you hit the spin button Cool

Yeah right, that 500 spins is equivalent to the super bonus buy of most slot provider that often gives the monster multiplier compared to 100 spins equivalent normal bonus buy.

Although the problem on manual spin especially on some slot provider that doesn’t have turbo spin is the boredom on looking to bunch of dead spins and to the spin that almost get you in to bonus round but short with 1 scatter symbol.

I always preferred bonus buy compared to manual because I don’t have much time to look at each spin due to my eyes condition.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I've always thought that about lottery scratch offs. I either want to win or lose, break even. Regarding slots, if you only won or lost, you would def experience less winning spins and likely lose money faster, so if going to play for entertainment only then it might be ok. If playing to make money I'd rather be able to win a portion of my bet back to keep me alive longer so that I have more of a chance to hit a jackpot.

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I don't mind it personally? I mean it entices the players by often showing that "win" pop-up, regardless of the amount so it's understandable why game providers keep it. Otherwise, there'd be waaay more losses shown and would cause people to quit. At least this kind of thing keeps the dopamine running. Personally don't give a crap since I'd like to think I'm not influenced by dopamine but would probably quit if it was removed since I AM influenced by dopamine lol.

I mean we already can't beat the edge anyway, might as well let the people enjoy their small wins.

That's also a way to think about it. Although I'm understanding the OP's point in a way, as it feels like the risk is far greater than the reward, even though in this case we're only taking about s few cents. I personally don't really mind, especially games like slots are almost impossible to break even, I'd appreciate a few wins to break up the loss pattern. It's certainly far better than losing, so I don't really understand what this fuss is about, at the end of the day, these minor winnings add up to a substantial amount, why should we look down on them? It's still a win.

True, the point is that it is very natural if the amount of winnings is small because after all gambling is an activity that can never be known about the results and as you said even though the amount is small and not even able to reach the break-even point from the amount we have spent in the end it is still a win, and I am sure that the biggest reason OP included his post here is because he was very disappointed with the results but in any case there is nothing strange about the scenario of his small win, especially since he played a type of casino game like slots, in my opinion there is nothing that should be questioned from the incident

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It is quite annoying if you are playing on a small bankroll and all your spins come short with $0 or less than the base bet Roll Eyes

But the secret with slots is to have not less than 200 spins on your side and if you are after some monster multipliers you can try a minimum of 500spins and leverage that high RTP for a handsome payout...otherwise anything less than this you could be chasing your loses Cry

So my rule of thumb is plan your way to profits before you hit the spin button Cool

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Such things are not uncommon in slot games, you are too much if you hope that every bet can win more than what you expect, you can even go home without winning anything in the slot, that's the reality that slot games are very unpredictable and very volatile.
The interesting thing here will be very surprising at some time, therefore slots are very popular with many gamblers, but if you think that what kind of slot you show in the picture consistently happens to every gambler who tries it, of course it will not be interesting in the future and will never be popular, they come here to try their luck not just to waste money.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

We can't considera that a win, if we bet 0.2 and get back 0.08, then we lose 0.12, so, that's a lose, but getting something back isn't bad at all. Personally I prefer to get 0.08 back than getting zero.

You can see It as the plinko game, where you always get something back, x0 is not an option, and x0.2 is a lose that pays something back.

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Quote from: Wexnident on January 07, 2025, 04:02:21 PM

I don't mind it personally? I mean it entices the players by often showing that "win" pop-up, regardless of the amount so it's understandable why game providers keep it. Otherwise, there'd be waaay more losses shown and would cause people to quit. At least this kind of thing keeps the dopamine running. Personally don't give a crap since I'd like to think I'm not influenced by dopamine but would probably quit if it was removed since I AM influenced by dopamine lol.

I mean we already can't beat the edge anyway, might as well let the people enjoy their small wins.

That's also a way to think about it. Although I'm understanding the OP's point in a way, as it feels like the risk is far greater than the reward, even though in this case we're only taking about s few cents. I personally don't really mind, especially games like slots are almost impossible to break even, I'd appreciate a few wins to break up the loss pattern. It's certainly far better than losing, so I don't really understand what this fuss is about, at the end of the day, these minor winnings add up to a substantial amount, why should we look down on them? It's still a win.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 08, 2025, 08:43:12 AM

Thanks for your replies guys, but I see some of you are missing my point. I never said every spin giving you 2x+ of your bet. That would be stupid. 200%+ RTP? What I meant was RTP remains the same, that's why I said "Sure, those [2x+] would appear less often", but you'll have no "wins" like 50% of your bet or so. Also I disagree that gamblers would abandon such slots because they would be seeing no wins. As a casino you can give four 2x wins within 10 spins and still be in profit, and as a customer you would not be thinking "I never win" while getting 4 wins within 10 spins.

At this point, it would just depend on my overall mood lmao.

Sometimes, I'd be more motivated with seeing more frequent wins however small that is. Other times, there will be one slot I'd get strangely hooked on even though it's dead spins galore and I'd spin my depo on it to oblivion lol.

Looking back, there were plenty of times too that I've switched a slot game because all I've been getting were mostly less than my bet or a little over it lol—got impatient lol.

I would say both schemes are good in their own way. All part of the game of chance—that there are good and poor winnings.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

There are some slots like that but the problem is that they are not as popular as the slots which gives you even smaller payouts and has a hit frequency of more often than those slots that pay the minimum the double of your amount. This is not the problem with the slot machines in my opinion, the problem is that they need to remove that buy in feature option from many of them as that devastates many people, let the people hit the spin until they hit it once and this way people are saved from losing a lot of money because buying the feature is usually x100 your amount of bet and higher, for this reason I like very much the Play n Go provider which never implements such thing in their games.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Gambling is for entertainment, not for making money. If gambling is for entertainment to me, then I will never be Annoying if I bet $0.2 and win less than that because I have accepted gambling as entertainment.

I don't mind if there are no small wins like this and instead there are 2x payouts because I come to gambling for entertainment, not to make money.

A gambling platform cannot be popular only on slot games. A gambling platform can become popular with a variety of games. People will definitely like it if they can hit high amounts of money with low amounts of money in slot games because everyone likes to hit high potential amounts.

Finally, I would like to say that playing slots is not popular with me because I don't like playing games that are based on luck. I always prefer betting on sports which is popular with me.

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@OP, this is nothing new and it's same for many casino (if not all casinos). Even if this was a complain, I don't think anything can be done to change it, you have some casino that has as large as 500x multiplayer and also very low multiplayer than can make you win less amount you used in placing the bet. That's to say, you could use a small amount to also win a very significant amount and you can use a big amount to also hit a small win because of the low multiplayer, vice versa.

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Quote from: summonerrk on January 09, 2025, 09:15:36 AM

I will express the opinion that it is a rather strange idea on the part of casino designers to make such winnings that are less than the bet itself. I even think that it is a little humiliating. The feeling that the gambler is considered a fool who is happy with the fact of winning, even if it is a multiplication by 0.3 of the bet. Agree, it even sounds stupid. The winnings should be at least x2 of the bet, and then any winnings will really be emotionally felt as a winning. And now if a gambler wins in slots, he will not be happy until he looks closely at how much he has won.

If slot developer do this I think only few players will play on their slot games since their game design typically high volatility which means you will encounter a lot of spin that zero profit in the process before you will hit something big like above x2.

It’s playing dice game set on the winning chance rate. You will keep hitting lose after you win which most slot players will never appreciate compared to the current design that gives back part of the lose bet just like Plinko games.

Plinko is much better on dice game because it gives you an opportunity to not lose 100% of your bet while your wager count is still counted as 100% of your bet.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I will express the opinion that it is a rather strange idea on the part of casino designers to make such winnings that are less than the bet itself. I even think that it is a little humiliating. The feeling that the gambler is considered a fool who is happy with the fact of winning, even if it is a multiplication by 0.3 of the bet. Agree, it even sounds stupid. The winnings should be at least x2 of the bet, and then any winnings will really be emotionally felt as a winning. And now if a gambler wins in slots, he will not be happy until he looks closely at how much he has won.

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Slots is made in such a way, the small wins that you accumulate in the middle of the game only boost your bankroll in minute amounts giving you are false confidence that you have a chance at winning and that you should continue to play. The loss in slots is because people dont understand that hitting the bonus is an uncommon thing and reaching that even once will lead to a negative net profit.

Indeed the annoyance builds the frustration that leads to more rolls from the player's side, so in fact you win or lose you are sticking to that game for quite a few hours.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I think it’s much better than a total dead spin imho of we are talking about normal spin since it will give you a certain portion of your lose bets which is good if you want to accumulate wager at same time by hunting high multiplier. It gives more room for more spin.

What I find frustrating is having that kind of result or almost zero win on buying bonus feature. It’s absurd to think that a bonus buy will result to zero while it’s equivalent to approximately 100 spin which is impossible to experience on normal spin.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

No, since I know that slots with this kind of result are normal. If one is a regular slots player having a result like this won't make them irritated because slot players also knows the fact that despite of these many low results, there are also times although rare to happen that slots can give one more than 3x of his bet and if very lucky can hit the limit pay out or max win like 1000x to 100kx depending on the offer of the slot.

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Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

I don't mind and I won't feel anything if the slots minimal limit is paying out 2x since we all agree that our goal is to hit the highest possible multiplier.

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What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I do not think that the minimal payout alone can make the slot popular, besides what is the difference of such game when all the player get is mostly 0x wins? I would rather have a slots game that can at least payout a smaller minimal amount of winnings in higher intervals than having 2x but rarely gets it.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

Funny tho but this happens to me on most cases and I become so frustrated like why this but I came to understand that slot games especially multipliers works on this basis, you tend to put bigger amount and win a Small amount and vise versa, sometimes you might be lucky to have huge wins alongside the amount you use to bet but it'll sure prove to you that most odds won't be on your side so then a more reason to gamble free with what you can afford to lose than regrets.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Personally for me win is win i mean no matter the amount is still win but yeah sometimes you upset because the risk losing of all your money in reward of coiple of dollar or cent.

But if this screenshot comes from the slot then you should know that the win from the slot game somtime is lower frlm ypur initial bet

Of course, because talking about winning, no matter how much it is, it can still be categorized as a win because it is the result of the bet we placed and it may seem disappointing, but in my opinion, there is no need to worry because that means you are far from luck, my friend.
I agree with what you said that slot games are a type of gambling that has a very low chance of winning because most games are designed to benefit the casino and game providers, so my advice seems quite simple, which is that the point is when we bet on any type of gambling, one thing we must instill in ourselves is never to have excessive expectations and also never be disappointed with whatever the results.

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I think that the slot providers or the casinos are trying to make the gamblers to be constantly trying to increase their wins by giving them less. Winning less than the amount used to gamble can be seen as getting something instead of totally losing everything. It depends on the individual that is gambling on the slot, some will be happy to win something as a compensation instead of totally losing out while for others it can be annoying experiences. Casino sites wants you to lose more than you will win, that is the essence of the house edge, for you to be winning less than your bankroll

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It would be lovely but I doubt that will happen.

It's hit or miss, I think that's what you are saying. It's either 0 or x1 - x1000+ no decimals. Well, there are games that don't use decimals in casino games but I have not yet bumped into one in slots. Maybe there's one that we have not yet known and some did.
Still, I am frustrated with other things in slots than that. Like getting 0 - x5 in free spins. I will take an x10 but I am frustrated when it goes lower than that especially if you bought it, that's more hurtful.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Personally for me win is win i mean no matter the amount is still win but yeah sometimes you upset because the risk losing of all your money in reward of coiple of dollar or cent.

But if this screenshot comes from the slot then you should know that the win from the slot game somtime is lower frlm ypur initial bet

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Thanks for your replies guys, but I see some of you are missing my point. I never said every spin giving you 2x+ of your bet. That would be stupid. 200%+ RTP? What I meant was RTP remains the same, that's why I said "Sure, those [2x+] would appear less often", but you'll have no "wins" like 50% of your bet or so. Also I disagree that gamblers would abandon such slots because they would be seeing no wins. As a casino you can give four 2x wins within 10 spins and still be in profit, and as a customer you would not be thinking "I never win" while getting 4 wins within 10 spins.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

If we look into the most of the conditions that gives the kind of payout, the probability for winning is high, secondly the amount involved mostly are small, but if you want to increase the amount to win as well, then you will have to increase as well your stake in other to make the profit over it tangible, but most low risk bets don't even comes with bonus except for some, because they know you're taking less on risk and may likely win the bet, there is nothing to get annoyed about in this kind of games because we already know or have an idea on the possible amount to win and such is likely to come.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

This is a design to make every gambler think that we'll win more than that. But eventually, we'll lose the majority of what we've got and that's why it sucks to be in that situation when you've been hitting the slots for so long and you get lesser than 2x but that's it, it's better to have something lesser than the multiplier than losing and have nothing.

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I'm sure most gamblers, especially those involved in casino games such as slots, must have experienced or even often experienced something like this where the bet amount and the results of the game are much bigger than the bet Cheesy

, I think it's not something strange when we talk about slot games, in fact I have also had results that are much worse than what you experienced OP where I bet with a bet of $ 0.80 and managed to get a scatter bonus but when I got to the last round in the bonus it turned out that the amount I got was only $ 0.01 haha of course that's very annoying. But yes, this is gambling, especially casino games, so as many people have said, when you bet, especially in casino games, never put too much hope because in the end it will only make you feel disappointed.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

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I don't mind it personally? I mean it entices the players by often showing that "win" pop-up, regardless of the amount so it's understandable why game providers keep it. Otherwise, there'd be waaay more losses shown and would cause people to quit. At least this kind of thing keeps the dopamine running. Personally don't give a crap since I'd like to think I'm not influenced by dopamine but would probably quit if it was removed since I AM influenced by dopamine lol.

I mean we already can't beat the edge anyway, might as well let the people enjoy their small wins.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

If you did this then people would probably feel like they were never winning and stop playing. These small wins enable you to sit at a table longer having more fun while feeling like you aren’t just losing money every time you spin. Get rid of the small wins and people would just lose until their money is gone and then never play again.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on January 07, 2025, 10:13:20 AM

Even though many gamblers don't really like small wins, but I think for most gamblers, they will think it's better to win small instead of nothing.

For me personally, I prefer this small wins than games where there are no multipliers lower than 1; most times when I just want to have fun this types of odds that gives you something for every spin you make do help me prolong my game time - those little wins I get are enough for me to use for my next bet and so the circle continues till it finally gets to the balance where I can’t bet again.

For those who are hunting for huge profits will definitely be annoyed of this type of result but for those in the same category I described above won’t think much about it.

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I don't think such kind games will become popular because the RTP rates will be low since the volatility is really high. The gambler will suffer many lose in a row and only win few times, even though every win give big rewards.

Even though many gamblers don't really like small wins, but I think for most gamblers, they will think it's better to win small instead of nothing.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Nope.

Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead?

Nope.

Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Maybe. If I slot like that was available I perhaps would try it and see if I liked it more but I like the slots as the prizes are now. When I play slots I care more about the big prizes than the small ones, whether they are less than the price of the spin or double the price of the spin, because for me they are a way to keep my balance until I hit a jackpot, which is what really matters to me.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I wouldn't think that slot operators are going to make a slot like this, everything is still base on RTP and so they will have all the advantage no matter what, after all it's the house edge and no one can beat that. And that is part of the game, you feel frustrated, you chase for bigger wins but wagering max bet so in the end, casinos are the real winner.

Of course as gamblers we don't want small wins or even dead spin, at least a payout will be good. But they don't want to give favor, and there could be gamblers who feel that a win is still a win no matter what, it's human psychology that slot operators uses against us.

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I don't know if that could become popular or not but I guess that will makes people curious and will still playing on that slot. They don't think that it is very difficult to win by playing that slot game and they need to search for the other slot game.

I often wins that small amount but I don't think that is annoying because I know that will depend on my luck. I already tried to increase the bet but that doesn't gives me much winning and still lose much. But I can accept those small winning and just consider I am not luck at that day.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I have no bias towards such small winning prices as I think they motivate people to proceed further in their slot affairs. Nevertheless I would appreciate if the given slot allowed me to set the price by myself. This would let me off the leash and allow to follow the plot of my bankroll setting the price low when it goes downward and high in the case of its upward move. I have to admit that this is the best tactic which works for me at any gambling.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Casinos knows that winning are winning even though the money is small or it's big it's still winning. And some customers will complain when they wagered amount big and win small and the casino did not pay them the small amount they won. I have experienced this one virtual games, and the reason why I won smaller than I wagered is because I backed up a lot of games (big odds and small odds) altogether, so only the small odds played and that was why I was received the small money.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

If there are slots that give us guarantee 2x for every bet, dont you think that the owner of the game is doing big charity to the players LOL?
No providers will create such slot with minimum 2x result in every bet, they are doing business to make profit so it is impossible to see such slot.
Logically that's how the game owner make profit (from our losing bets), how can they make profit if they create a game that give guarantee of at least 2x on every bet?
Not only slot games, there is no single gambling game that will give us minimum 2x on every bet, I think you are dreaming too much Grin

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Quote from: _act_ on January 07, 2025, 06:54:36 AM

Quote from: Maslate on January 07, 2025, 06:35:53 AM

You won't really feel the win with that kind of payout. Small multipliers only make sense if you're placing bigger bets.
For me, I’d rather bet less than a dollar per spin and aim for at least a x10 win, that way, I can actually enjoy the thrill of hitting something decent.

No gambler will deposit or just have $0.2 to gamble. They will have more than that. I think OP just take one of his winning but I think he will gamble more. But if he gamble just only gamble $0.2 once to make that conclusion, that is very wrong. It would have been good to use like $5 to gamble with $0.2 each before asking this question.

What OP probably meant was focusing on each wager, but honestly, that doesn’t change much. Chasing low odds might feel “safe” at first, but it’s just boring and doesn’t really get you anywhere. The house edge will always creep in eventually, and in the long run, it’s a losing game.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 07, 2025, 06:35:53 AM

After all, the whole point of playing slots is to experience those big wins, right?
Playing it too safe with small bets and tiny multipliers doesn’t make sense, IMO it’s just a waste of time without the excitement.

I disagree with you about this. It is better to gamble with small amount of money and spend more time on gambling if you want to than to use high amount on gambling which could mean waste of money or addiction.

Let’s stick to discussing winning, losing, or strategies - no need to bring up "gambling addiction" as it derails the main point of the discussion. Discipline is important no matter how much you’re gambling, whether you're betting big or small, staying focused and following the game plan is what matters.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I think all casinos that provide slot type games do this, the goal is for the profit they get is greater than what is spent on their customers. Honestly this is annoying but what can you do, casinos are also a business that is looking for profit, so it is natural when we place a certain amount of bets and get wins that are smaller than the amount of bets we play.

With the reality now like that, many people do it, this proves that this type of slot gambling is very popular and I think not only in my country but in all countries it is likely like this. Besides, we can't do anything, right?

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Or when we buy a super bonus and get under x10... and that happens more often than you think.

Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

I already wrote about LDWs:

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Do losses disguised as wins create a “sweet spot” for win overestimates in multiline slots play?

You can read more about it here, or on other sites: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306460320307280.

I am not sure if that would be more popular, but for sure it would be "less interesting"... We play slots for visual as well as auditory stimulation... nobody likes to win less than what they invested, but that's where LDW comes in, subconsciously we like to hear that sound of victory, it's much nicer than a dead spin. So after 5-10 dead spins (or more), it's nice to hear some "winning bells".

It's psychology, slots are designed to be the way they are. Even though we know that the odds are against us and that slots are very risky, we like to play them. Those who want/prefer to play only x2 (or higher) payouts can play Limbo (or any other game where we can choose a multiplier). Wins will appear more often and we will still be frustrated if we are on "the losing side".

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Quote from: Maslate on January 07, 2025, 06:35:53 AM

You won't really feel the win with that kind of payout. Small multipliers only make sense if you're placing bigger bets.
For me, I’d rather bet less than a dollar per spin and aim for at least a x10 win, that way, I can actually enjoy the thrill of hitting something decent.

No gambler will deposit or just have $0.2 to gamble. They will have more than that. I think OP just take one of his winning but I think he will gamble more. But if he gamble just only gamble $0.2 once to make that conclusion, that is very wrong. It would have been good to use like $5 to gamble with $0.2 each before asking this question.

Quote from: Maslate on January 07, 2025, 06:35:53 AM

After all, the whole point of playing slots is to experience those big wins, right?
Playing it too safe with small bets and tiny multipliers doesn’t make sense, IMO it’s just a waste of time without the excitement.

I disagree with you about this. It is better to gamble with small amount of money and spend more time on gambling if you want to than to use high amount on gambling which could mean waste of money or addiction.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?
Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

I have experienced this but, I don't think about it too much as you have thought. For me it the amount is smaller that the payouts, I don't pay any attention to it.

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What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

Who set the amount? Is it the game providers doing it at their own decretion or based on some regulations or the casino operators doing it manually from their end?

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You won't really feel the win with that kind of payout. Small multipliers only make sense if you're placing bigger bets.
For me, I’d rather bet less than a dollar per spin and aim for at least a x10 win, that way, I can actually enjoy the thrill of hitting something decent.

After all, the whole point of playing slots is to experience those big wins, right?
Playing it too safe with small bets and tiny multipliers doesn’t make sense, IMO it’s just a waste of time without the excitement.

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I think it is added by the casinos to give you the impression of winning, even when you are losing to keep you playing for longer chasing higher wins.

Quote from: Betwrong on January 07, 2025, 05:49:44 AM

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead?

I would not go as far as asking for 2x or more. Keeping it at least above 1x is alright and would mean I am not at a loss on that bet. This would also appear more often than 2x will.

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Many slots are like this. You can win nothing. You can win less than the amount that you use to gamble. You can win more than the amount that you used to gamble. You can also win far more than the amount of money that you used to gamble. I have not played all slots but I have seen that on some slots that I have played before. If you do not like it, change to another slot game.

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Guys, do you find it annoying when you bet $0.20 and 'win' an amount much less than that?

Would you prefer if there were no such small 'wins' and only 2x+ payouts instead? Sure, those would appear less often, but at least you wouldn't feel frustrated about it.

What do you guys think? If slot creators made a slot like that, do you think it could become popular?

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