Topic: Slow transactions for a little bit (few days, even weeks) before a consensual fo (Read 729 times)

I wish you guys sincere luck with that. You have my 100% backing and support to increase the block size on Core. You have my consensus.

Why are anti-XTers so acute?

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6451

     why are Gavenites so obtuse?

I will repeat my opening post on this thread in different words: If you don't want XT, then present a superior solution. It's that simple. Let's increase the block size on Core. I'm all for that! But until that becomes a realistic option, XT remains the best realistic option available. So if you don't want XT, find a better solution. If "do nothing and wait for a catastrophe" is your only suggestion, then you are basically voting for XT. And we thank you for your support. 

you need a solution before the end of 2015, XT is an option now.
at least we need more time and kick the can down the road with 2-3MB blocks. core has to offer something.

when transaction cost will rise to 0,30, 0,50, 0,80 USD people will switch in masses to XT.

Ok.. Maybe you should stop right here! maybe you should try to understand the logic a bit more before being so gungho for solution xt.


I don't even.. that was the worse analogy ever.


Ok.. I'm going to try to explain it one more time.
I'm not against the block size increase, I'm just against what XT is doing, which is dividing the community and trying to take over very draconian like.
Forking the network with two different blockchains that incompatible is a very bad fucking idea.

What we need to do, is work on BIPs and keep one on a cold stand-by and in case fucking Greece decides to go BTC, implement the fork with consensus. at worse, we'll have slow transactions for a bit. It's not the end of the world. Two incompatible blockchains and a divided community basically IS a failed experiment.

what I meant was that the backlog created could be MONTHS long. I do not know how quickly forks can take place. I still don't understand the logic. It's like your doctor telling you if you keep on eating only Oreo cookies you are going to get diabetes, and your response is well I'm not going to change my diet until I get diabetes. You can reverse diabetes if you change your diet in many cases, so I will keep eating only Oreos until I get diabetes, then I will think about changing my diet.

Yes, maybe we can fork after it becomes a problem, but maybe unforeseen consequences of letting it become a problem can do way more harm than we anticipate. What are the pros of waiting vs just doing it now? We know we have to do it eventually, why wait and risk unnecessary harm we could avoid by just doing it now? I don't get it.

Why would it take months??? tell me? I challenge you to go and find out how long the last hard fork took from "OH SHIT we have a Problem!" to .. Ok.. we are on a forked chain.. everything is good.. now lets do an RCA"

Come back and tell me if it was "months"!   FUD#@

Imagine a bank run like Greece and Cyrus happening in the United States, or world wide. Imagine a world wide collapse of the stock markets. Imagine the collapse of the us dollar. These scenarios are not unlikely, and some are predicting similar things as soon as this September.

If such an even were to happen, Bitcoin would likely see a HUGE surge of new users and traffic as millions seek refuge from fiat money in gold and silver and Bitcoin.

If anything even close to something like this happens Bitcoin will be unusable for MONTHS, and the effect could be the destruction of Bitcoin as an alternative that does not have 8 hour confirmation times and insane fees arrives to capture the confidence of the panicked masses.

We need to be ready for these types of scenarios, and just driving on bald tires on the highway going 70+ mph banking on the fact that a flat will be gentle and easy to fix is not very smart imo. We need to pull over now when things are calm and slow and get some fully treaded thick tires on so we are ready for scenarios like this.

Failure to prepare is preparing to fail.

I don't agree with your analogy and here is why.
What is so catastrophic about slow transactions for a few weeks? (max!) tell me? We had to deal with that shit less than a month ago thanks to the "stress-test".  How is that a catastrophe? Thats like getting a flat while driving 35. Big whoopdi fucking Doo!
Consensus-less Hard fork on the other hand will most likely be a disaster for everyone involved.

Actually its more like XT is saying "look, we are traveling at 70+ mph and if a tire explodes we risk totaling the entire car and dieing in a horrific accident, perhaps it won't be that bad, but it could be when you are traveling at 70+ mph, we had better pull over now even though it is inconvenient and change the tires. "

Core is like, "No we should keep driving at 70+ mph and we should not stop until the tires blow. Yes there is risk of a horrific accident, but maybe we will be able to make some maveneurs in time, avoid hitting some cars, slow down without flipping the car, and then pull over to the side of the highway, call a tow truck, wait for a couple of hours, get towed to a tire shop, and THEN change the tires."

XT is like, "I don't care how inconvenient you think it is to pull over now and go get our tires swapped, but it's not worth the risk to just wait until the tires blow out and hope everything turns out okay. THE TIRES WILL BLOW OUT, there is no question. It makes no sense to wait until they do to do anything about it. We risk too much, i'm pulling over now!"

And thus the fight over the steering wheel begins. Core fighting to stay on the highway and not change the tires until they explode at 70+ mph, and XT fight to steer off the highway to a tire shop to change them now, get some fresh tires on with full thread, and then get back on the highway with all of this worry behind us.

Actually a better analogy is that XT is willing the split the car in half (more like 75 25) to change the tires while driving full derp ahead, and Core is like.. well, if we get a flat, we'll pull over (slow transactions for a few days, weeks) change tire and move on with the car intact.

Your OP is pointless because XT can't and won't be activated before January 11, 2016 even if a consensus would be reached by tomorrow. What you seems to not actually get is that most of XT proponent (myself included) are sick and tired of waiting for the Core team to move their asses. Enough talk, time is for scaling. The ball is on Core's camp.

If you don't like XT, create a better solution before 75% of the network agrees that XT is the best solution. The majority will go with the best solution. If nothing else XT is forcing us to get started on changing the tires before we have a blowout on the highway. If you have a better way of changing the tires by all means present your solution and the majority will be with you if it is indeed superior. Either way we do it, we gotta change these tires before they explode. We got a few months to figure out how to do it.

You're a moron! read the god damn op

Meanwhile XT is up and running 

The race is on! Let the best horse wins!

yes! it's talk before it's done and it should be done, when it's time. thanks for pointing out the obvious

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39kzyt/draft_bip_100_soft_fork_block_size_increase/

Which is all talk at this very moment.

What a weak attempt. You managed to completely ignore the BIPs and Lightning/payment channel advancements.

Maybe. It's all talk until Core team propose anything viable though.

Slow transactions for a  bit (few days, even weeks!!) before a consensual fork is MUCH MUCH safer and better for everyone involved, than a consensus-less  hard fork with 75%! Unless you wish harm on the project.

Hey XT fan boys, lets hear you deny this statement.