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Topic: Smart contracts (dApps) are NOT truly decentralized (Read 139 times)

legendary
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Internet protocol itself is centralized. So going over the Internet means you are going through centralization. The same question was on my mind too. How we call them truly decentralized app where they are using centralized domain hosting. Anytime they could down it. I am not an expert on how to implement true decentralization, but likely it would be the same as a blockchain where we could host decentralized apps. No idea how could we overcome centralization. Everything going on just to make money calling them Decentralized. People are busy making money,  not for decentralization.

Exactly. The Internet needs to be "re-invented" as it's highly controlled by ISPs and mainstream governments. Only then, true decentralization can be achieved. Fear not, as alternative internet protocols are under development by talented developers worldwide. Networks like MAIDSAFE, ZeroNet, and even IPFS (mostly used for decentralized content sharing), help make the vision of a truly-decentralized Internet a reality. Now it's only a matter of time before Blockchain developers integrate decentralized Internet protocols to make everything completely censorship-resistant. Imagine dApps hosted on nodes distributed around the world, instead of a single server. Imagine the web interface being accessed through a decentralized domain service provider, instead of a centralized one controlled by ICANN. It will truly make dApps unstoppable.

Unfortunately, developers (and the public in general) are focused on the money (not on decentralization), so it's highly unlikely dApps will shift away from centralized servers anytime soon. At least, everything is open sourced. Fingers crossed someone will care about decentralization, fulfilling crypto/Blockchain tech's original vision/purpose. Just my thoughts Grin
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I do not know what will happens in the future but i can say that the process has already began. There are some many minds working to achieve this goal. But the problem is the whole internet system is centralized and they can switch of everything if they wants to. Project like ocean could be a leading face into these journey. But at first developer needs to stop earning money by the name of decentralization and actually building something decentralized.
legendary
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Internet protocol itself is centralized. So going over the Internet means you are going through centralization. The same question was on my mind too. How we call them truly decentralized app where they are using centralized domain hosting. Anytime they could down it. I am not an expert on how to implement true decentralization, but likely it would be the same as a blockchain where we could host decentralized apps. No idea how could we overcome centralization. Everything going on just to make money calling them Decentralized. People are busy making money,  not for decentralization.
legendary
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Not to generalize too much, but there exists a part of people that truly care about the decentralization, and so does with other people who won't brag too much about the technical underlying level of some platform. But yea the project goals should not be particularly interested in one aspect and letting another urgency within the whole technical details in general, getting neglected. That scalabilities and security should align in line, and it will be good to see if some cryptocurrencies project carefully maintained that.

Yes. There will always be a small minority which actively support decentralization. Cheers to those who still care about crypto's true value proposition. As long as there's someone who supports decentralization, crypto will be unstoppable. Governments are having a hard time to "beat" crypto/Blockchain tech, simply because everything is decentralized. Of course, centralized exchanges dominate a large portion of the market. But they're still unable to control crypto in its entirety. As long as censorship-resistance is achieved, crypto will last for generations. Wink


I have been roughly following how Sia coin is developing since back then, not that I shill it, but I think the project seems carefully crafted its way out in the cryptocurrencies space in general. It would be good to see how that particular project is being developed yet to come. As now you can see, 1Inch already supported there, let's see if another project bat an eye into it, and see if the ecosystem suits the whole cryptocurrency space.

I like how the Sia project is progressing as it focuses on decentralization above all else. It's one of the few projects on the crypto/Blockchain space which provides real use cases to the world. Not like others which are nothing more than just pure hype. With Sia's little tool, full decentralization can be achieved. Only this way, dApps could express their full potential. I've seen projects like Uniswap and 1Inch added to Sia, so it should only be a matter of time before Web 3.0 becomes fully unstoppable. I hope Sia developers continue working non-stop in order to help prevent centralization from taking over the entire crypto/Blockchain industry. Smiley
legendary
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I guess in this space majority of users may not care too much about centralization, and developers respond it as consequence to make the simplest platform using today standard instead of maximizing the decentralization. The post above is one of many examples, which I highly suspect that some people are likely to sacrifice the decentralization in order to get convenience in all aspects of cryptocurrencies given, whilst trying to get the most benefit for themselves.
Exactly. Neither people nor developers care about decentralization these days. They often prioritize convenience on top of everything else. As long as there's money to be made, nothing else matters. Eventually, people will experience the negative effects of centralization. Centralized coins like Solana and IOTA already faced a serious number of network disruptions in the past because developers focused on scalability instead of what matters most (which is security, reliability, and censorship-resistance).
Not to generalize too much, but there exists a part of people that truly care about the decentralization, and so does with other people who won't brag too much about the technical underlying level of some platform. But yea the project goals should not be particularly interested in one aspect and letting another urgency within the whole technical details in general, getting neglected. That scalabilities and security should align in line, and it will be good to see if some cryptocurrencies project carefully maintained that.

Now that's what I'm talking about. I'm glad the Sia developer team decided to focus on decentralization for the benefit of the entire crypto/Blockchain space. It appears to be in the beta phase, so some bugs and/or issues are to be expected. At least, the idea is there. Now it will be up to mainstream developers and the community as a whole to make use of this tool in order to protect the decentralization of most smart contracts in the crypto/Blockchain space. Once full decentralization is achieved, dApps will be truly unstoppable.
I have been roughly following how Sia coin is developing since back then, not that I shill it, but I think the project seems carefully crafted its way out in the cryptocurrencies space in general. It would be good to see how that particular project is being developed yet to come. As now you can see, 1Inch already supported there, let's see if another project bat an eye into it, and see if the ecosystem suits the whole cryptocurrency space.
legendary
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I guess in this space majority of users may not care too much about centralization, and developers respond it as consequence to make the simplest platform using today standard instead of maximizing the decentralization. The post above is one of many examples, which I highly suspect that some people are likely to sacrifice the decentralization in order to get convenience in all aspects of cryptocurrencies given, whilst trying to get the most benefit for themselves.

Exactly. Neither people nor developers care about decentralization these days. They often prioritize convenience on top of everything else. As long as there's money to be made, nothing else matters. Eventually, people will experience the negative effects of centralization. Centralized coins like Solana and IOTA already faced a serious number of network disruptions in the past because developers focused on scalability instead of what matters most (which is security, reliability, and censorship-resistance).

Imagine how chaotic everything will be if so-called "dApps" fail due to the underlying blockchain network's security issues. It would certainly scare away investors and everyday people, effectively minimizing crypto/Blockchain tech's hopes of achieving widespread adoption worldwide. That's why it's important to focus on decentralization in order to help fulfill "Satoshi's vision". As long as this is prioritized, dApps will last a lifetime.


There are also a few alternatives like using SiaCoin's Skynet home screen who also aim to solve the centralization of front end. But i don't know much about it so i don't know in regard to the degree of decentralization in that platform, not to mention, that it is also still in the early stage.

Now that's what I'm talking about. I'm glad the Sia developer team decided to focus on decentralization for the benefit of the entire crypto/Blockchain space. It appears to be in the beta phase, so some bugs and/or issues are to be expected. At least, the idea is there. Now it will be up to mainstream developers and the community as a whole to make use of this tool in order to protect the decentralization of most smart contracts in the crypto/Blockchain space. Once full decentralization is achieved, dApps will be truly unstoppable. Who knows if this leads to governments giving up against crypto/Blockchain tech in the future? Smiley
legendary
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But who really cares? Even today people are investing in Ripple and buying Tether so we can't expect them to concentrate more on the decentralization, they just looking for yields in short time and developers too ignorant about this or just using it as an advantage to make quick money by launching their project as soon as possible when there is hype around for something.
I know, right? Most developers don't care about decentralization these days, since they're only focusing on the money. They're only creating "shitcoins" with the intent of syphoning as much money from investors as possible. These days, crypto is all about hype. So any coin that's able to "add fuel to the fire" (no matter if it's centralized), will certainly gain the most attention in the mainstream world.
I guess in this space majority of users may not care too much about centralization, and developers respond it as consequence to make the simplest platform using today standard instead of maximizing the decentralization. The post above is one of many examples, which I highly suspect that some people are likely to sacrifice the decentralization in order to get convenience in all aspects of cryptocurrencies given, whilst trying to get the most benefit for themselves.


A better approach would be hosting the dApp's interface through a P2P network like IPFS, ZeroNet, or even MaidSAFE while using a decentralized domain name service like ENS or Unstoppable Domains.
There are also a few alternatives like using SiaCoin's Skynet home screen who also aim to solve the centralization of front end. But i don't know much about it so i don't know in regard to the degree of decentralization in that platform, not to mention, that it is also still in the early stage.
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I don't care what works out and what doesn't I'm in this space for the hype and doubling my money in short term, either Decentralisation works out or not it doesn't matter to me, crypto brings profits and that's all that matters not centralised and decentralized
legendary
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But who really cares? Even today people are investing in Ripple and buying Tether so we can't expect them to concentrate more on the decentralization, they just looking for yields in short time and developers too ignorant about this or just using it as an advantage to make quick money by launching their project as soon as possible when there is hype around for something.

I know, right? Most developers don't care about decentralization these days, since they're only focusing on the money. They're only creating "shitcoins" with the intent of syphoning as much money from investors as possible. These days, crypto is all about hype. So any coin that's able to "add fuel to the fire" (no matter if it's centralized), will certainly gain the most attention in the mainstream world.

Believe me, Web 3.0 has the potential to take the world by storm. But using centralized technologies will make it no different than Web 2.0. Maybe someday a developer interested in decentralization will help contribute to the cause? I'm glad we have alternative networks like IPFS, ZeroNet, and MAIDSAFE or we'd still be stuck with centralized hosting companies. Everything is open sourced these days, so there's nothing stopping anyone from creating truly-decentralized dApps that are able to stand the test of time no matter what. Just my thoughts Grin
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But who really cares? Even today people are investing in Ripple and buying Tether so we can't expect them to concentrate more on the decentralization, they just looking for yields in short time and developers too ignorant about this or just using it as an advantage to make quick money by launching their project as soon as possible when there is hype around for something.
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Web 3.0 have what it takes to be a better decentralized utility but we can't tell how it's future will play out, I hope it won't be another beta phase use case that can take forever to complete, this is what's affecting metaverse projects presently and we don't know when we will see a completed metaverse project
legendary
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Ever noticed how so-called "decentralized applications" are not as decentralized as they claim to be? Most (if not all) dApps' interfaces are hosted through a centralized server, effectively bringing the single point of failure crypto was meant to avoid in the first place. Of course, it's possible to interact with a smart contract directly on the Blockchain without going to a centrally-hosted website, but not everyone is tech-savvy enough to do this. A better approach would be hosting the dApp's interface through a P2P network like IPFS, ZeroNet, or even MaidSAFE while using a decentralized domain name service like ENS or Unstoppable Domains. Only then, true decentralization will be achieved.

I sometimes wonder why developers haven't done this already? Any reason why they're still hosting dApp's interface through a centralized server? What do you think will happen in the future if this keeps up? Will Web 3.0 be able to achieve its purpose? Or will it become nothing more than a failed experiment? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley
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