If it is a pump and dump is irrelevant to me, I will keep using bitcoin as long as it:
1. has some value, and that its value driven by the free market
2. has no need for a trusted third party to carry out transactions
As long as those two things are true then bitcoin has succeeded imo
Topic: So are we all guilty of a Pump & Dump? (Read 5099 times)
And I seriously question whether anyone has sold Bitcoins in order to hold fiat currency.
I sold out at $8.5Looking to buy back in at $1 after bitcoin has been made illegal and everyone thinks its doomed
And TraderTimm, good post.
I've seen quite a few articles around lately to the effect of "This is Bitcoin, it is going to be the future of money, I invested all my money in it, and you should too." As far as I know, the U.S. has some laws to the effect of "you can't buy something, tell everyone it's awesome in order to drive up the price, and then sell it". To what extent might individuals writing these articles, or the Bitcoin community as a whole, be guilty of this practice?
get your coins by providing goods & services. do not buy them. trade collectibles, move lawns, etc.
should be safe.
Around 11:24am (EST) I saw a Bitcoin transaction in the block chain of 145,140. That is a notional value of $2.722 Million dollars. That, in addition to in increased frequency of 100 - 1,000 BTC transactions (and even more in the 1,000 - 10,000 range) doesn't seem to be consistent with a flash-in-the-pan kind of opportunity.
How do I know? Because I've actually traded 'pink sheets' before. You know, stocks that list at 10 cents and then spike to maybe a dollar or two? They have an extremely short half-life from their peak. They also have a pattern of 'loading up the truck' in the beginning, as volume spikes and price stays the same - right before the actual 'pump' operation puts prices high enough that the original scammers can dump their shares without killing their average execution price.
Bitcoin, as new as it is, has shown some good strength in the face of some recent doublings in value. This isn't the expected behavior from a 'transitory' currency. I expect fully that the trend will be maintained (log chart, bitcoincharts,com mtgox/USD) for some time, with momentary spikes as another round of people get involved.
So to answer the parent posters question - no, we are not 'guilty' of anything except wanting money to be as free as thought itself.
How do I know? Because I've actually traded 'pink sheets' before. You know, stocks that list at 10 cents and then spike to maybe a dollar or two? They have an extremely short half-life from their peak. They also have a pattern of 'loading up the truck' in the beginning, as volume spikes and price stays the same - right before the actual 'pump' operation puts prices high enough that the original scammers can dump their shares without killing their average execution price.
Bitcoin, as new as it is, has shown some good strength in the face of some recent doublings in value. This isn't the expected behavior from a 'transitory' currency. I expect fully that the trend will be maintained (log chart, bitcoincharts,com mtgox/USD) for some time, with momentary spikes as another round of people get involved.
So to answer the parent posters question - no, we are not 'guilty' of anything except wanting money to be as free as thought itself.
@interfect, I think that you should do some reading up on the Logistic Function: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Logistic_function
Are you implying the BTC price would follow a logistic curve to long-term value ? With no overshot ? What would give that shape ?
This is what I believe will happen too (providing that BitCoin is 'successful'). The graph will never bee smooth so sure, there will be overshots and undershot. But long term, I do believe the 'value' will follow this curve closely.
And I seriously question whether anyone has sold Bitcoins in order to hold fiat currency.
I sold out at $8.5Looking to buy back in at $1 after bitcoin has been made illegal and everyone thinks its doomed
"you can't buy something, tell everyone it's awesome in order to drive up the price, and then sell it"
I think you're missing the crucial aspect that the thing in question must not actually be awesome. Since Bitcoin is, in fact, awesome, this doesn't seem to apply.
Seriously, though, I see early adopters "cashing out" in order to buy mining equipment and mine more Bitcoins. And I seriously question whether anyone has sold Bitcoins in order to hold fiat currency.
I've seen quite a few articles around lately to the effect of "This is Bitcoin, it is going to be the future of money, I invested all my money in it, and you should too." As far as I know, the U.S. has some laws to the effect of "you can't buy something, tell everyone it's awesome in order to drive up the price, and then sell it". To what extent might individuals writing these articles, or the Bitcoin community as a whole, be guilty of this practice?
I hear the US has a law against breathing.
I don't let law determine my morality.
@interfect, I think that you should do some reading up on the Logistic Function: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Logistic_function
Are you implying the BTC price would follow a logistic curve to long-term value ? With no overshot ? What would give that shape ?
Don't worry, the Chinese will pay in the end.
@interfect, I think that you should do some reading up on the Logistic Function: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Logistic_function
I don't see much pumping other than within the bitcoin community where it isn't required. The rest, including many large forums, are all pretty much trashing bitcoin. It's also quite difficult for the layman to buy bitcoin, so you have to be really committed if you want some. That doesn't lend itself to people making impulse buys because of media hype.
they work as planed
What Pump & Dump?! All that I know is Pump, Pump ... and Pump more!!!
Yeah, I suppose there would eventually be some dumping.
What happened to all of Satoshi's coins, again?
What Pump & Dump?! All that I know is Pump, Pump ... and Pump more!!!
I've seen quite a few articles around lately to the effect of "This is Bitcoin, it is going to be the future of money, I invested all my money in it, and you should too." As far as I know, the U.S. has some laws to the effect of "you can't buy something, tell everyone it's awesome in order to drive up the price, and then sell it". To what extent might individuals writing these articles, or the Bitcoin community as a whole, be guilty of this practice?
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