Topic: SO CALLED PROVABLY FAIR IS NOTHING CLOSE TO FAIR (Read 1421 times)
This is gambling and the rules is made by the house to have an advantage over the bettor, the provably fair game is real although we don't know if its fair or not, we have the choice to play or not so if you play to take the risk and you better enjoy it.
You dont really understand gambling. You should know before you play that house always win in the end. In gambling you have a higher chance of lossing than winning.
OP seems to think having an edge for the house means it's rigged. He also doesn't seem to understand the word "provably" in "provably fair". What I don't get though, if he things all casino's are rigged, why does he play there? Go find a different hobby 
Provably fair is based on math and encryption. It's hard for most people to fully understand, but the good thing is: you don't have to understand it to use it.
You dont really understand gambling. You should know before you play that house always win in the end. In gambling you have a higher chance of lossing than winning.
Very well said, you don't need to complain because nothing will listen to you, that is why it is called gambling because it is too risky, the dice site does not force us to play in their site, it is always our choice to do it but if you are not satisfied or convinced with the rules you can always shift to another gambling type, try sports betting.
You dont really understand gambling. You should know before you play that house always win in the end. In gambling you have a higher chance of lossing than winning.
If you can verify a server seed for a particular bet with your own verifier script then it indeed is probably fair.
It is the only method for online gambling games to ensure that each bets are placed on a total random fashion. If you don't think it is not a good idea of implementing probably fair then recommend us how to ensure a fair bet other than that?
It is the only method for online gambling games to ensure that each bets are placed on a total random fashion. If you don't think it is not a good idea of implementing probably fair then recommend us how to ensure a fair bet other than that?
Provably fair is the mathematical formula of possible returns but this isn't always to be trusted. Besides, this is gambling. You're either bound to win one time bigtime (which most likely will not happen) and lose most of the time. Just like op said, many 'idiots' are loosing thousands to gambling.
Well Pd and betking doesn't deletes any history .I have mine everytime I open up again for gambling the other day or a week.It gets saved up in browser so you may not be able to see it if you have switched devices to open up the site.
So, Op would you rather have no Provably Fair system in place? Or any other mathematical safeguard to your bitcoin bets?
Provably Fair is the best security of bets that cryptocurrency casino could offer you, either you accept it or switch to 'real' casinos.
Provably Fair is the best security of bets that cryptocurrency casino could offer you, either you accept it or switch to 'real' casinos.
Well me too is interested about that probably fair system of most gambling sites but whenever i think that a gambling site would let their balance to lose this thing is on their side.
In first view it looks like op is in real frustration and finding the way to blame gambling site, it happened naturally when we meet losing streak on any gambling and it make us think we have been got cheated by that casino, so that i think nobody will care about this kind of statement.
Indeed, even in any form of gambling when we lost we blame that we are cheated. Take it for example in the sports betting if we lost or we bet in the losing side we always said that the game was rigged. 
Why not just accept the losses and move one.
In first view it looks like op is in real frustration and finding the way to blame gambling site, it happened naturally when we meet losing streak on any gambling and it make us think we have been got cheated by that casino, so that i think nobody will care about this kind of statement.
It is being practiced as standard for online gambling industry on which almost everyone is agree.I really don't care as my bets are limited and overall winning ratio is quite good.As long as the played bet can be verified by seed I am to be satisfied on this regardless of the site.
life's not fair even and it would be unfair to lose everything in gambling so just stop gambling.
and it would be unfair to lose everything in gambling so just stop gambling.
That's the house rules, so if anyone has a doubt on gambling in dice sites they then you know where the door is. Most of the gamblers who complains are those who are losers, nothing new here. It's just play of leave.
in the first place, unless you have access to it server, take a look at the code and make sense out of it, otherwise anything can also be programmed to let you lose. you need to have evidence to proof what you claimed.
I like people to use their brain when it comes to money.
Gamblers get decieved by that word provably fair.
Now check this. To verify a roll , sites use this:
Client seed
Server seed
Random seed
Server hash
Now you input your client seed.
We assume server give out its seed
Server hash is gotten whatever way it gotten.
NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS RANDOM SEED???
WHO GIVES THIS RANDOM SEED???
Let's say you are betting 5btc on a 50% chance.
It's very possible for the random seed to be coded with a value to make you loose. Since its possible that the random seed might be fixed by the owner of the site.
Also, I don't see any way to easily verify rolls on betking. Offcourse there will be a way to verify there but bet king makes it aa little difficult to verify. This way lazy gamblers won't even mind verifying.
Also, prime dice and betking DONT give you full history of your bets. How do you verify after a couple of rolls?
Primedice, rollin, betking and the rest should explain this shit.
ALSO , BEFORE YOU COME COMMENTING SHIT, I AM NOT LOOSING IN ANY IF THESE SITES. I KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR SO CALLED SCAM TO MY ADVANTAGE.
POSITING THIS COS OF THE IDIOTS I SEE LOOSING THOUSANDS IF DOLLARS TO THESE SCUMBAGS.
Gamblers get decieved by that word provably fair.
Now check this. To verify a roll , sites use this:
Client seed
Server seed
Random seed
Server hash
Now you input your client seed.
We assume server give out its seed
Server hash is gotten whatever way it gotten.
NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS RANDOM SEED???
WHO GIVES THIS RANDOM SEED???
Let's say you are betting 5btc on a 50% chance.
It's very possible for the random seed to be coded with a value to make you loose. Since its possible that the random seed might be fixed by the owner of the site.
Also, I don't see any way to easily verify rolls on betking. Offcourse there will be a way to verify there but bet king makes it aa little difficult to verify. This way lazy gamblers won't even mind verifying.
Also, prime dice and betking DONT give you full history of your bets. How do you verify after a couple of rolls?
Primedice, rollin, betking and the rest should explain this shit.
ALSO , BEFORE YOU COME COMMENTING SHIT, I AM NOT LOOSING IN ANY IF THESE SITES. I KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR SO CALLED SCAM TO MY ADVANTAGE.
POSITING THIS COS OF THE IDIOTS I SEE LOOSING THOUSANDS IF DOLLARS TO THESE SCUMBAGS.
You seem very angry. I don't either trust this so called "provably fair" you never know of there's a way to change anything. That's why I don't use sites that seem dodgy. But I have only noticed something funny on two sites. The rest seem fine. I don't think being regulated will make much difference if you want that play with fiat money. And being unregulated is what bitcoin about anyway so it doesn't go well with it.
Most of these sites are not being regulated and there are no independent body responsible to audit their systems. So most sites just put "Provably Fair" on their site to fool people to trust them. The
house always win, whatever the seed might be... Why, because the players come back and lose all the winnings in any way. Your account are being monitored and checked for cheating, but it's ok for
them to cheat.
...Gamble for the fun or if you have money to burn, but do not expect the house to be honest.
house always win, whatever the seed might be... Why, because the players come back and lose all the winnings in any way. Your account are being monitored and checked for cheating, but it's ok for
them to cheat.
...Gamble for the fun or if you have money to burn, but do not expect the house to be honest.
Random seed is unnecessary and not all sites are using it.
I think if someone put 5 BTC on dice throw and doesn't have minimum 200 more to repeat that bet then that person is crazy.
I don`t have some special knowledge about that seeds, I play on good sites and sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. Its kind a normal thing in gambling. Sometimes I have feeling like casino work for me, what bets I win its just crazy. Sometimes I have such bed luck that I cant believe what I miss.
Personally I never had doubts about that provably fair, when I lose I question myself and my bets to not repeat same mistakes again. Doesn't matter is it some lucky based game or poker.
I KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR SO CALLED SCAM TO MY ADVANTAGE.
In this you have my support. Gambling is all about that "to know how to use game to your advantage". They wish us to lose and of course they have their tricks, be wiser and smarter and maybe you can take some money from them. So better tell us how you use casino tricks in your own advantage? Show us and that will be much better for everyone, except for casino if its really working.
I don`t have some special knowledge about that seeds, I play on good sites and sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. Its kind a normal thing in gambling. Sometimes I have feeling like casino work for me, what bets I win its just crazy. Sometimes I have such bed luck that I cant believe what I miss.
Personally I never had doubts about that provably fair, when I lose I question myself and my bets to not repeat same mistakes again. Doesn't matter is it some lucky based game or poker.
I KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR SO CALLED SCAM TO MY ADVANTAGE.
In this you have my support. Gambling is all about that "to know how to use game to your advantage". They wish us to lose and of course they have their tricks, be wiser and smarter and maybe you can take some money from them. So better tell us how you use casino tricks in your own advantage? Show us and that will be much better for everyone, except for casino if its really working.
Looks like we have another loser here who cant accept his lost and posted his rant. Be a man and if you cant swallow defeat don't gamble. Gambling is for real men! Grow up!
Sometimes I wonder how trolls like you function well enough to learn how to buy their own BTC, let alone gamble it.
He will say he won a lot but he probably lost a ton and complaining if you don't understand shit about provably fair don't talk about it. And if you got a problem with it ignore and don't open that disgusting mouth of yours spewing profanity everywhere.
What an idiot. Why the fuck will I loose and claim to win. The people that know me know I don't loose. No bragging.
If I knew your mom, I will fist her for not aborting a useless idiot like you
your mother should have swallowed for making a disgusting lying mouth as yours.Poor idiots like you will always rant cos you believe everybody looses and is as poor as you
I should have listened to the saying there's no point talking to an idiot it will get you nowhere.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
THAT'S WHAT IDIOTS SAY WHEN THEY KNOW THEY GOT NOTHING STUPID TO RANT OUT
He will say he won a lot but he probably lost a ton and complaining if you don't understand shit about provably fair don't talk about it. And if you got a problem with it ignore and don't open that disgusting mouth of yours spewing profanity everywhere.
What an idiot. Why the fuck will I loose and claim to win. The people that know me know I don't loose. No bragging.
If I knew your mom, I will fist her for not aborting a useless idiot like you
your mother should have swallowed for making a disgusting lying mouth as yours.Poor idiots like you will always rant cos you believe everybody looses and is as poor as you
I should have listened to the saying there's no point talking to an idiot it will get you nowhere.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
He will say he won a lot but he probably lost a ton and complaining if you don't understand shit about provably fair don't talk about it. And if you got a problem with it ignore and don't open that disgusting mouth of yours spewing profanity everywhere.
What an idiot. Why the fuck will I loose and claim to win. The people that know me know I don't loose. No bragging.
If I knew your mom, I will fist her for not aborting a useless idiot like you
your mother should have swallowed for making a disgusting lying mouth as yours.
He will say he won a lot but he probably lost a ton and complaining if you don't understand shit about provably fair don't talk about it. And if you got a problem with it ignore and don't open that disgusting mouth of yours spewing profanity everywhere.
And why does pd and betking delete bet history. Most gamblers will like to very after they finish gambling. This 2 sites make this impossible
I think today you have lost much in dice sites..Right?
And why does pd and betking delete bet history. Most gamblers will like to very after they finish gambling. This 2 sites make this impossible
That's the verification am against.
For example if a+b+c+d=F, and you expecting a result below 50 as your outcome, I could give you these results 20+14+20+10=64
Now you get 64 and lose your cash. When you verify it, the result will be 64 and will show you VERIFED usING any calculator in this case a verifier. That dosnt mean I didn't manipulate the numbers.
It only means it has been proved that 20+14+20+10=64
For example if a+b+c+d=F, and you expecting a result below 50 as your outcome, I could give you these results 20+14+20+10=64
Now you get 64 and lose your cash. When you verify it, the result will be 64 and will show you VERIFED usING any calculator in this case a verifier. That dosnt mean I didn't manipulate the numbers.
It only means it has been proved that 20+14+20+10=64
I like people to use their brain when it comes to money.
Gamblers get decieved by that word provably fair.
Now check this. To verify a roll , sites use this:
Client seed
Server seed
Random seed
Server hash
Now you input your client seed.
We assume server give out its seed
Server hash is gotten whatever way it gotten.
NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS RANDOM SEED???
WHO GIVES THIS RANDOM SEED???
Let's say you are betting 5btc on a 50% chance.
It's very possible for the random seed to be coded with a value to make you loose. Since its possible that the random seed might be fixed by the owner of the site.
Also, I don't see any way to easily verify rolls on betking. Offcourse there will be a way to verify there but bet king makes it aa little difficult to verify. This way lazy gamblers won't even mind verifying.
Also, prime dice and betking to give you history of your bets. How do you verify after a couple of rolls?
Primedice, rollin, betking and the rest should explain this shit.
ALSO , BEFORE YOU COME COMMENTING SHIT, I AM NOT LOOSING IN ANY IF THESE SITES. I KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR SO CALLED SCAM TO MY ADVANTAGE.
POSITING THIS COS OF THE IDIOTS I SEE LOOSING THOUSANDS IF DOLLARS TO THESE SCUMBAGS.
Gamblers get decieved by that word provably fair.
Now check this. To verify a roll , sites use this:
Client seed
Server seed
Random seed
Server hash
Now you input your client seed.
We assume server give out its seed
Server hash is gotten whatever way it gotten.
NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS RANDOM SEED???
WHO GIVES THIS RANDOM SEED???
Let's say you are betting 5btc on a 50% chance.
It's very possible for the random seed to be coded with a value to make you loose. Since its possible that the random seed might be fixed by the owner of the site.
Also, I don't see any way to easily verify rolls on betking. Offcourse there will be a way to verify there but bet king makes it aa little difficult to verify. This way lazy gamblers won't even mind verifying.
Also, prime dice and betking to give you history of your bets. How do you verify after a couple of rolls?
Primedice, rollin, betking and the rest should explain this shit.
ALSO , BEFORE YOU COME COMMENTING SHIT, I AM NOT LOOSING IN ANY IF THESE SITES. I KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR SO CALLED SCAM TO MY ADVANTAGE.
POSITING THIS COS OF THE IDIOTS I SEE LOOSING THOUSANDS IF DOLLARS TO THESE SCUMBAGS.
Random seed is generated by your browser.... you can use third party site to verify your past rolls for primedice,rollin,betking
I like people to use their brain when it comes to money.
Gamblers get decieved by that word provably fair.
Now check this. To verify a roll , sites use this:
Client seed
Server seed
Random seed
Server hash
Now you input your client seed.
We assume server give out its seed
Server hash is gotten whatever way it gotten.
NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS RANDOM SEED???
WHO GIVES THIS RANDOM SEED???
Let's say you are betting 5btc on a 50% chance.
It's very possible for the random seed to be coded with a value to make you loose. Since its possible that the random seed might be fixed by the owner of the site.
Also, I don't see any way to easily verify rolls on betking. Offcourse there will be a way to verify there but bet king makes it aa little difficult to verify. This way lazy gamblers won't even mind verifying.
Also, prime dice and betking DONT give you full history of your bets. How do you verify after a couple of rolls?
Primedice, rollin, betking and the rest should explain this shit.
ALSO , BEFORE YOU COME COMMENTING SHIT, I AM NOT LOOSING IN ANY IF THESE SITES. I KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR SO CALLED SCAM TO MY ADVANTAGE.
POSITING THIS COS OF THE IDIOTS I SEE LOOSING THOUSANDS IF DOLLARS TO THESE SCUMBAGS.
Gamblers get decieved by that word provably fair.
Now check this. To verify a roll , sites use this:
Client seed
Server seed
Random seed
Server hash
Now you input your client seed.
We assume server give out its seed
Server hash is gotten whatever way it gotten.
NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS RANDOM SEED???
WHO GIVES THIS RANDOM SEED???
Let's say you are betting 5btc on a 50% chance.
It's very possible for the random seed to be coded with a value to make you loose. Since its possible that the random seed might be fixed by the owner of the site.
Also, I don't see any way to easily verify rolls on betking. Offcourse there will be a way to verify there but bet king makes it aa little difficult to verify. This way lazy gamblers won't even mind verifying.
Also, prime dice and betking DONT give you full history of your bets. How do you verify after a couple of rolls?
Primedice, rollin, betking and the rest should explain this shit.
ALSO , BEFORE YOU COME COMMENTING SHIT, I AM NOT LOOSING IN ANY IF THESE SITES. I KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR SO CALLED SCAM TO MY ADVANTAGE.
POSITING THIS COS OF THE IDIOTS I SEE LOOSING THOUSANDS IF DOLLARS TO THESE SCUMBAGS.
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