Cloudmining page,
Like ghs, pbmining, but better.
They are offering MH/s (hashlets) , and GHs .
Topic: So confused what is GAW ? (Read 3160 times)
if you wanted to gamble in cloud mining, the only way would be if they took a credit card and you could get near ROI before 60 days. If not, flip no.
especially as we watch bitcoin fall like a brick
especially as we watch bitcoin fall like a brick
Looks like that brick may be bouncing back up a bit...
In all seriousness, you definitely had some bad luck with timing your BTC purchase, and that's unfortunate. To mitigate that risk, you could try out some other services that allow you to purchase BTC instantly, so you're not exposed to fluctuations as much. You may also consider a sports book that maintains your account using BTC, so short-term fluctuations won't hurt as much.
As for cloud mining, as others have stated, it's possibly even riskier than owning your own BTC mining hardware, because you're placing trust in a third party. So obviously don't invest more than you can afford to lose. Read about others' experiences. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket. The up side is services like GAW allow for minimal investments for immediate mining, so you're not gambling thousands on pre-ordering mining hardware like most of the rest of us have done at one point or another.
Good luck!
if you wanted to gamble in cloud mining, the only way would be if they took a credit card and you could get near ROI before 60 days. If not, flip no.
especially as we watch bitcoin fall like a brick
This actually hits whole mining industry, no matter if it's a physical or a cloud miner.especially as we watch bitcoin fall like a brick
if you wanted to gamble in cloud mining, the only way would be if they took a credit card and you could get near ROI before 60 days. If not, flip no.
especially as we watch bitcoin fall like a brick
especially as we watch bitcoin fall like a brick
http://cointelegraph.com/news/112329/gavin-andresens-fractional-reserve-mining-cloud-miners-respond
Do not spend any money on cloud mining that you are not willing to lose outright as with anything bitcoin you are risking it all. Be very careful.
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We then asked Streng to verify how his company does not practice “fractional reserve mining” and how consumers can verify this. Streng replied to CoinTelegraph via email:
“Practicing fractional reserve mining is at best a bet against your client (and at worst, a Ponzi scheme if you never intend to pay). In any way such an operation is a scam, because it does not hold its promise that mining really takes place. If such a company bets against its client it can (i) win the bet and earn a higher profit than an honest business (ii) lose the bet (and probably get insolvent). If you are anonymous then there is only an upside (and no downside).
There is no way for any mining company to prove that they really own the hardware.
At Genesis Mining we do our best to be as transparent as possible: we publish information about the company founders on our webpage, have a registered company and frequently appear at conferences all over the world. Furthermore, we publish pictures of our mining operation, to prove that we own huge amounts of hardware. And we invited Gavin to have a look at our mining farm (and drink a Bavarian beer with us – Gavin, it is delicious stuff!).”
All of this more or less confirms Andresen's initial thoughts: Some companies will prove to be Ponzi schemes, and some will prove to be legit. Proof is only a question of time, as there are incentives to be unscrupulous and incentives not to be. The difference is only one of those is a long-term strategy.
“Practicing fractional reserve mining is at best a bet against your client (and at worst, a Ponzi scheme if you never intend to pay). In any way such an operation is a scam, because it does not hold its promise that mining really takes place. If such a company bets against its client it can (i) win the bet and earn a higher profit than an honest business (ii) lose the bet (and probably get insolvent). If you are anonymous then there is only an upside (and no downside).
There is no way for any mining company to prove that they really own the hardware.
At Genesis Mining we do our best to be as transparent as possible: we publish information about the company founders on our webpage, have a registered company and frequently appear at conferences all over the world. Furthermore, we publish pictures of our mining operation, to prove that we own huge amounts of hardware. And we invited Gavin to have a look at our mining farm (and drink a Bavarian beer with us – Gavin, it is delicious stuff!).”
All of this more or less confirms Andresen's initial thoughts: Some companies will prove to be Ponzi schemes, and some will prove to be legit. Proof is only a question of time, as there are incentives to be unscrupulous and incentives not to be. The difference is only one of those is a long-term strategy.
Do not spend any money on cloud mining that you are not willing to lose outright as with anything bitcoin you are risking it all. Be very careful.
GAW = Geniuses At Work
Reviewd loads of hashers of them at http://fuk.io - hashlets too
Reviewd loads of hashers of them at http://fuk.io - hashlets too
Here is a long well researched and clear thread started by DrG about cloud hashing.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8355686
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8355686
I was trying to learn if btc was worth mining, my attitude was good until I learned what a scam cloud mining is. I also learned that bitcoin is not an investment.
I plan to use it as a purchasing tool now. I like to bet sports and my favorite book takes btc
WTF! Dude you obviously don't know what you are talking about. BTC is mainly an investment first and a currency later. Stop thinking right now. I plan to use it as a purchasing tool now. I like to bet sports and my favorite book takes btc
Think long. Think hard. Then think long and hard. Then do more research before anything cloud mining related you purchase. Given the price of BTC slipping you could be glad you just waited and bought BTC at lower price.
its a company that its customer support really sucks i had a ticket openned since July and still they try to find
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
Hi!
I am sincerely sorry that your ticket has taken longer than we would like. Our Customer Service Manager, Amanda has been working very hard to get this resolved quickly for you now
She will continue to help via ticket, that is the best way for us to track the progress.I appreciate you working with us and allowing us the opportunity to make this right.
Respectfully,
Amber
[email protected]
I WONDER IF YOU CAN OFFER SOLUTION I HAD TO MUCH HELP SO FAR AND DID NOT HELP MUCH
Hi I see that you and our Customer Service Manager, Amanda have come to a satisfactory solution! I have let her know that you have responded to the ticket. I am confident you will be squared away in no time!
Sincerely,
Amber
in 2007 I put all my eggs into one basket. mint state 2007 SAE's. I almost pulled the trigger on 39 ounces of gold but got greedy thinking more ounces of silver would explode in value. pfft.
7 years later I have dead money but I do enjoy having a tangible asset. it seems btc is similar to fiat, created out of thin air
7 years later I have dead money but I do enjoy having a tangible asset. it seems btc is similar to fiat, created out of thin air
that is the conclusion I came to as well.
I decided for me, that bitcoin is nothing more than a very good payment tool. I am glad I found it although quite late.
however holding bitcoin even one day cost me money.
I deposited with circle 2 days ago, it took them a day to get it done, then today I transferred to my wallet then into my sportsbook, they go by bitstamp price, so I am already down with fees and depreciation of btc spot
I decided for me, that bitcoin is nothing more than a very good payment tool. I am glad I found it although quite late.
however holding bitcoin even one day cost me money.
I deposited with circle 2 days ago, it took them a day to get it done, then today I transferred to my wallet then into my sportsbook, they go by bitstamp price, so I am already down with fees and depreciation of btc spot
I have held coin longer. I will hold it longer still. I will buy more or trade for more or will sell something for BTC.
Should everyone? Nope. Know what you are willing to lose and draw the line at that. It could all go south in a blink.
that is the conclusion I came to as well.
I decided for me, that bitcoin is nothing more than a very good payment tool. I am glad I found it although quite late.
however holding bitcoin even one day cost me money.
I deposited with circle 2 days ago, it took them a day to get it done, then today I transferred to my wallet then into my sportsbook, they go by bitstamp price, so I am already down with fees and depreciation of btc spot
the best way to deposit into a sports book is western union when the book covers the fees
I decided for me, that bitcoin is nothing more than a very good payment tool. I am glad I found it although quite late.
however holding bitcoin even one day cost me money.
I deposited with circle 2 days ago, it took them a day to get it done, then today I transferred to my wallet then into my sportsbook, they go by bitstamp price, so I am already down with fees and depreciation of btc spot
the best way to deposit into a sports book is western union when the book covers the fees
If cloud mining is a scam then what about mining as a whole?
You considered mining profitable, but cloud mining a scam, so what is the difference between sending money to a company and waiting a few weeks until they send you the miner, that needs another few months to ROI, and sending the same company the same amount of money so they can plug in the miner and host it for you?
You considered mining profitable, but cloud mining a scam, so what is the difference between sending money to a company and waiting a few weeks until they send you the miner, that needs another few months to ROI, and sending the same company the same amount of money so they can plug in the miner and host it for you?
ROI not possible for home miners unless you work out when to sell the equipment at peak and get mined coins plus cost of the miner that would be larger than the money you invested initially in the miner and the cost of running the miner or a modest return potentially.
So no. Right now.
1. Buy BTC if you think it will rise over the longer term. Do your own research and read more.
2. Do not buy miners or cloud mining at this time. But again do your own research and read more.
3. Do not invest anything in BTC or Mining or Cloud Mining unless you are ok with losing 100% of your investment. It is very risky and there is absolutely no guarantee of any return.
Having said that there are people who still mine small scale at how who swear up and down it can make a modest return and those who promote cloud mining etc but you are the only one who can make the right or wrong decision, so educate yourself beyond asking questions here in this forum. Go and read long and deep into mining and cloud mining in the threads right here in Bitcointalk. Then do your own calculations.
If cloud mining is a scam then what about mining as a whole?
You considered mining profitable, but cloud mining a scam, so what is the difference between sending money to a company and waiting a few weeks until they send you the miner, that needs another few months to ROI, and sending the same company the same amount of money so they can plug in the miner and host it for you?
You considered mining profitable, but cloud mining a scam, so what is the difference between sending money to a company and waiting a few weeks until they send you the miner, that needs another few months to ROI, and sending the same company the same amount of money so they can plug in the miner and host it for you?
I was trying to learn if btc was worth mining, my attitude was good until I learned what a scam cloud mining is. I also learned that bitcoin is not an investment.
I plan to use it as a purchasing tool now. I like to bet sports and my favorite book takes btc
I plan to use it as a purchasing tool now. I like to bet sports and my favorite book takes btc
Sounds like a waste of life time money and a lot of grief
I have never spent a penny on BTC and don't even have a wallet.
With such attitude towards btc and mining what are you even doing here?
its a company that its customer support really sucks i had a ticket openned since July and still they try to find
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
Hi!
I am sincerely sorry that your ticket has taken longer than we would like. Our Customer Service Manager, Amanda has been working very hard to get this resolved quickly for you now
She will continue to help via ticket, that is the best way for us to track the progress.I appreciate you working with us and allowing us the opportunity to make this right.
Respectfully,
Amber
[email protected]
I WONDER IF YOU CAN OFFER SOLUTION I HAD TO MUCH HELP SO FAR AND DID NOT HELP MUCH
Solution:
Buy BTC.
Solution:
Do your own calculation on costs vs earnings and determine if you should go with GAW.
Solution:
If you are uncertain that is one very good reason to avoid any sort of investment in Bitcoin especially cloud mining. There are plenty of good posts regarding cloud mining and GAW use those to learn more. Do not believe everything you read and make sure to check the numbers people give you for errors or worse wild speculative assumptions.
its a company that its customer support really sucks i had a ticket openned since July and still they try to find
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
Hi!
I am sincerely sorry that your ticket has taken longer than we would like. Our Customer Service Manager, Amanda has been working very hard to get this resolved quickly for you now
She will continue to help via ticket, that is the best way for us to track the progress.I appreciate you working with us and allowing us the opportunity to make this right.
Respectfully,
Amber
[email protected]
I WONDER IF YOU CAN OFFER SOLUTION I HAD TO MUCH HELP SO FAR AND DID NOT HELP MUCH
Sounds like a waste of life time money and a lot of grief
Not really.....no power bill,no fusing with hardware
I prefer in hand hardware myself but with diff rising & power bills rising,it's about the only way to mine anymore
Sounds like a waste of life time money and a lot of grief
Pleople who bough "hashlets" for $16 like 1 mounth ago, ROI inmediatly + profit, with the raises in the price, of the "primer hashlets".
(selling their mh/s for $30-$35-$40).
Still profitable?
Maybe, 50+ days.
(selling their mh/s for $30-$35-$40).
Still profitable?
Maybe, 50+ days.
Still confused. I see Waffle Hashlet 1 $17.95 is ths $17.95 a mo ? Why would it take 50 + days to see a return on $17.95 ? someone explain!
Lets do the math..............
http://litecoinminingcalculator.com/index.php?khs=45000&diff=34786.6727143&cdiff=34786.6727143&fee=0
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Just for sake of argument:
Earnings for 1 mh=1000kh:
0.03 LTC / Day
0.83 LTC / Month
10.14 LTC / Year
https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/3
Current price per LTC=0.01162075 BTC
0.01162075 x current BTC price of $373=$4.33 per LTC
So,it takes 33+ days @ .03LTC per day to get 1 LTC.So to get your $17.95 back will take 4+ months..............
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That's with LTC mining,but we are being paid via BTC @ 0.00031947 BTC per day with Waffle rates (they go up & down,so this is an estimate).
So you need to earn 0.0481233243967828 BTC (@ $373 BTC price)= $17.95 =150+ days..........or around 5 months.
0.00031947 x 150 days = 0.0479205
Zenhashlets get 0.00060319 per day,so we need 0.0561662198391421 BTC (@ $373 BTC price)= $20.95 = 93 days.........or a little over 3 months
0.00060319 x 93 days = 0.05609667
Whatcha think now!!
Pleople who bough "hashlets" for $16 like 1 mounth ago, ROI inmediatly + profit, with the raises in the price, of the "primer hashlets".
(selling their mh/s for $30-$35-$40).
Still profitable?
Maybe, 50+ days.
(selling their mh/s for $30-$35-$40).
Still profitable?
Maybe, 50+ days.
Still confused. I see Waffle Hashlet 1 $17.95 is ths $17.95 a mo ? Why would it take 50 + days to see a return on $17.95 ? someone explain!
its a company that its customer support really sucks i had a ticket openned since July and still they try to find
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
Hi!
I am sincerely sorry that your ticket has taken longer than we would like. Our Customer Service Manager, Amanda has been working very hard to get this resolved quickly for you now
She will continue to help via ticket, that is the best way for us to track the progress.I appreciate you working with us and allowing us the opportunity to make this right.
Respectfully,
Amber
[email protected]
its a company that its customer support really sucks i had a ticket openned since July and still they try to find
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
If you tried to explain your issue the way you did in this post, no wonder they couldn't "find the details". Sometimes there's just no solution the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
GAWMiners is both mining hardware reseller as well as cloud mining reseller.
They sell mostly Scrypt miners, but now they're focus is on selling cloud mining contracts or "Hashlets".
I wouldn't bother with any cloud mining contracts at this point, it's pointless at this time, especially with all the Scrypt Asic Hashrate getting dumped onto the network.
They sell mostly Scrypt miners, but now they're focus is on selling cloud mining contracts or "Hashlets".
I wouldn't bother with any cloud mining contracts at this point, it's pointless at this time, especially with all the Scrypt Asic Hashrate getting dumped onto the network.
its a company that its customer support really sucks i had a ticket openned since July and still they try to find
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
the details mostly trying to make me get bored and stop dealing with it
I have contacted all of them and no solution
Pleople who bough "hashlets" for $16 like 1 mounth ago, ROI inmediatly + profit, with the raises in the price, of the "primer hashlets".
(selling their mh/s for $30-$35-$40).
Still profitable?
Maybe, 50+ days.
(selling their mh/s for $30-$35-$40).
Still profitable?
Maybe, 50+ days.
About a 3 month ROI for Zen Hashlets,maybe a bit longer depending on the altcoin network hashrate.a major increase can extend that by a month or 2
Just stay away from the Genesis or any sha-256 type hashlets
Just stay away from the Genesis or any sha-256 type hashlets
are they really profitable ?
Like anything they were extremely profitable for those who got in earlyRight now with current BTC prices faling and the prices on their hashlets rising
Not so much.
They sell sha at 10gh for 8.95 and scrypt of different flavors from $14.95 to 49.99 for the hashlet primes that can mine two pools simultaneously every 12 hrs. GAW is profitability yes ROI in 3 months if the trend continues but those who got in early got primes for $16 vs $45 .
are they really profitable ?
Yep!
They was hardware, but now they are most profitable cloud miner
They was hardware, but now they are most profitable cloud miner
Gaw Miners.
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