Topic: So I played again recently, i noticed something.. (Read 721 times)

For running a casino in a proper way they must have some house edge, otherwise they may not be able to operate their casinos for a single week. They will become bankrupted. But there should not be any hidden charges and strategies. They need to get the confidence of their customers and only then they can continue their casino in a proper way.

In fact the number of casinos are increasing from time to time which is no doubt increasing their competition, therefore every casino try their best to facilitate their customer as much as they can.

I think that are both the same, real casino game is not a location available to all to go and play and that is why technology has made it easy for anyone to participate in casino games irrespective of your location, for example, would you say you won’t subscribe to satellite to watch your favorite match and rather travel far to the location to watch it ?

So, if you say we all should play a live casino game, how would I then play if I have to travel hours to go play it, remember that not all countries are developed like yours where you can find one at every street. Hence, online casino games is still okay and good for those that can master it.

Had every time people would be making profits in gambling then everybody would be rich other than the casinos owner. But we know this does not happen. Many people gamble at appoint of time in gambling but out of that more people lose money and few win it.

in all times we cannot make the profit continuously in our times it will definitely happened for gambling to loss our self but better thing is made Limited investment in the casino will give some idea for us.

Every time I bet, I always choose color white but I don't do it consecutively because the odds became less. However, I still end up losing (maybe I'm just not so lucky lol). This was a cool strategy, I'll definitely try this the next time I go to carnival and see if it works . Thanks.

Hmm promoting vegascasino to someone. They haven't resolved pending issue yet so I wont tend out to play with this casino for now.On topic,
If you are constantly playing with carnival games you will really have that kind of observation not for first time players or gamblers but for those who do had observed on how
these game works but typically all things needs luck but there are really holes to these kind of games.

Well carnival games obviously are managed manually by humans so yeah, if you're observant enough, there are many holes you can take advantage of. Though it changes drastically if you're in a casino where everything is checked to the hilt and with security cameras monitoring everyone's movements.

Obviously you are not reading because we are not talking about a gambling site and you are talking about nonsense hence you are the one who is spouting out nonsense. I suggest you go somewhere else and try to read the original post before posting anything.

Carnivals are different from your ordinary land-based casino and Both could be addicting.

Yes. Eventually local carnivals have hidden tricks that they use to attract players and seems like a marketing strategy to raise their profit that is coming from the betw of the players. You can surely try those games in the online casino I am talking about and also enjoy their great bonus once you have done your first deposit on it.

Agree with those insights which is typically true, small loses when its already being accumulated it would still go into the same result.Going back with that color game
i do disagree on what are those observations which OP had. Facing or waiting for color patterns only seeing on how those bricks being placed on the top. Rolling out and color results
wont precisely vary on where it would landed,so its still a pure chance.

The reputable casino will give the best services to the gamblers as they don't want to lose them because once the casino makes gamblers disappointed, they will lose their profit too.

But that does not make the casino always get good reviews because some people still spread about the bad news that will make them lose trust from the gamblers. For example, gamblers can say to other people that casino A was cheating and took all of his money, but that person is not telling the truth and only say about the cheating part which most people will agree.

The thing about playing in carnival games, you don’t feel like you’re spending that much since you only spend a small amount. Eventually, you don’t notice that you’ve bruned through hundreds already by the end of the day. Plus you usually just enjoy playing these games even while you don’t win after the nth time you’ve played. Not winning sometimes may even make you want to play more and more. It’s sort of addicting really, unconsciously.

Guessing seeds is technically impossible even for the most powerful computer in the world, let alone human mind.  The case you mention in your last sentence is about HufflePuff hacking PrimeDice, but he didn't "guess" the seeds. He exploited the situation when several accounts were sharing the same server seed, and although he didn't know the seed itself he knew when he's going to win and when he's going to lose, and he wagered accordingly.

To OP, be cautious! Firstly, it can be an illusion that you know how to cheat the place. Secondly, cheating in places like this can be very dangerous.

You do have a point but as we all know that everyone doesnt have that capability on playing on a casino neither they dont have casinos around on to their place or they dont
really feel to play since they are having just small amount of money to play on.I cant deny about that rigged games about the said prize and the money would be possibly
spent since i have the experience on playing to these kind of places.If you arent lucky enough you would end up going home without getting that prize.

Carnivals have some of the most rigged games and the prizes are often straight junk.  You spend $5 to win a stuffed animal that costs $2 to make, your money is better spent at a real casino.

That's the effect where mostly high reputed casino houses are avoiding to happen, they love embracing things where gamblers will be please to stay,
in the short term business cheating can bring them decent earnings but for long term process it will turned the business to its worst ending, well
known casinos don't want that as they are looking/aiming for long term success.

Taking advantage though is not cheating, from both side as long as you are not doing anything to change the results, you are just using
the skills of observing things that can possibly to happen.

That is why many casinos can make a lot of money from this business, but I am sure that not all casino do that. I think in the online casinos, they tried to cheat like offline casino because it's related to huge money which is inside the gambling. But if the casino still does this for a long time, soon or later, some people will realize and will spread about the bad news to the public, and it will make the gamblers moves to the other casino because they feel been cheated by the casino. They don't want to get a bad experience in the casino so they will search the other casino to play.

Yes, thats why many casinos lasted for ages. I conclude that for every 100%of their dajly profit, the portion or prices that takes home by the gamblers is just 40%. The remainibg 60% are the profit of the house where they get their luxurious casinos, running the business and funds for their freebies. Banker or casino staffs have high salary though? Where fo they get that?

For me I don't really think that it is a cheat ,
You are just using your brain to win first you didn't do anything you didn't force for it to go there right .
It is their own set you just used their own advantage to them.

Can't see it because in my country gambling is prohibited. But from what i heard is there are some casinos that really cheat to gambler, that is why they still exist until now. Not only in online casinos, offline casinos do something like that too.

I have been to a local carnival that provides different kinds of games like what you included, dice game, roulette, prediction games, etc.  If I ever come across the ball where it lands and sees the pattern you suggested, I think I would bet a lot more than I would've because you could take advantage of it at the right time. IT's not something you could do in land-based casinos alike.

Maybe there could be something similar to that in an online casino though?

the guy said that he lost his money on local gambling ( carnival/amusemnet )  he didnt loose it in online gambling that night  . he loose because he notice something . he thinks that he is being cheated by the gambling operators because their gaming tools are faulty but even if its a brand new gambling machines , the chance of loosing is still verry high because gambling  ( all kinds of them ) are mainly based on luck  not skills or strategy  .

You lost that much through online game then you're not doing something right and you'll continue to loose until you do the exact thing which the OP which was said the house always does i.e notice, observe the game you might be easily good at, know the depth of the game rules/regulations and know the time stop playing.

But we are not going to earn much from carnival games and the chances of winning even is small so it is like a business to the people but it will change when it comes to casino or online gambling where no cheating involves but still the owner makes money.

It has to be this way only as house will always have the edge else what is the use of they running the business where they keep on making losses if customers have the edge. They are their to runt he business and make profits and not do charity. It is upto us to understand and play wisely.

It is not applicable to online game but one can win offline winning the game?  I also do think that the house always win in most of the online and offline gambling and there is no strategies that do win!

It can be easily to cheat if they'll be fast in doing it. But of being in gambling for many years, it probably won't be happen cause we know already how people do that and if that case, they'll be losing their reputation and nobody would gamble with them.
But I'll doubt if they can afford to cheat the gamblers especially for big casinos, they should play fair to us.

The houses always wins and that is why the owners of casinos, offline or online are rich persons while the gamblers in the majority of cases are poor to intermediate wealthy people.

That game you are playing if really is the game in the picture , it has a lot of possibilities to cheat on you.

Keeping you excited may lead into getting addiction too. Yes, it is very dangerous one other than how houses are enforcing you not to able to apply your "experiences". I do see widely people are emphasizing that experience is not a key in gambling but the actual truth is, it is still a key but you cannot use it to unlock anything out of aggressiveness and rushing. I agree being observant will help in gambling but for that we must need enough time.

Let me think about your perspective's online application : if you are good in observing then you may get chances to guess the seeds and then you may bet accordingly. It is not easier as it sounds but I heard someone guessed (probably might have hacked) some house's seed generation sequences and made 2000+ bitcoins.

Well we all know being a gamblers that Luck is always indeed for us to win mate

I guess OP just become much lucky than time so he got the rhythm of the betting but in totality still luck took over the whole game

And you're right that if he tried it again its more on losing is what he'll get

Good for you, mine, ain't lucky in local carnival near in our house, a walking distance. Like in online casino, most of the time I ended up lossing. But in local carnival, I only lost few like last night just $2. The highest lost I got was $6 if i'm not mistaken unlike in online I experienced to lost thousand of bucks. Let's say even the table isn't that balance the ring move a bit when they throw the ball because of the impact plus wind sometimes.

It seems that carnivals have their own strategies to good time players which I do not like because they are taking advantage of the people's desire to win the game but good thing that somebody have seen the way to win even there is a hindrance of this advantage strategy that the carnivals use to play the people. I wanted to try how fair those games in that online casino you were talking about.

It's a very good experience that you got, maybe you saw an entry window that you took advantage of, but the Probably Fair algorithm learns, I'm sure if you try again it's very likely that you will not succeed, maybe, in this case accompanied luck.

I'm really happy with your triumph, it's very good that you won, but since you're that observant, keep looking for other strategies, and do not just stick with it, it can become a double-edged sword.

Well, good observation friend and it seems like it js not a fair game enough since you have notice that trick on the local carnival of yours. Even we might think that those local carnival games do always have the advantage to earn large profit from their players, it seems like cheating is not a great thing to be executed since players are sincerely playing tough just to win their price. But good thing you have noticed that matter and win what you must deserve if they did not take advantage of the game. That is why I trust on the online casino I am currently into because they have fair games that I could play plus the bonus they serve as a welcome reward for doing my first deposit.

It's not a real cheat though since it just happen that the usual result of the dice is color red so there are tendency that every gambler will bet on that color. If you are in a local casinos like this, you must be observant since not all players are real most of them are member of the team who play just to attract people. Nevertheless, if you make profit its good for you just keep on thinking for the positive things.

Unless you don't have any cheating device in your body to count cards then it should not be considered as cheating. However, I saw videos in Youtube and I'm assuming its in the US that card counters, once spotted by the managers will have to throw them out of the casino, really not fair.

Those guys have the skills and for sure they have practice it and perfected it at some point. So I would agree that the OP is not cheating but I don't know if it will work in the long run. Just be sure to go home once you can your money like x5 or x10, no need to be greedy.

Hmm what you brought up is interesting and it lead me to search for an answer if card counting is indeed illegal and I found this article or a write up about card counting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/10/28/card-counting-cheating-or-civil-right/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ffc5975c2394

And I guess its correct that using a gadget or equipment to count would be considered illegal since you have the advantage of taking notes of whats being drawn out and how many is already drawn out, unlike counting in your capacity which is not really 100% accurate since you are not using anything to take notes.

In some games trying to observe and influence the odds would be considered a type of cheating.   I'm thinking of card counting where they'll put you out of the casino possibly if you are aware of too much.    I always thought that wasnt fair on what could be considered a skill but if a gambler can turn the odds in their own favour you can bet this situation doesnt ever last that long

And that is the one thing that we have to put in our mind the "attention" that we created can make them notice us too quickly. But of course, the one that you are playing is noticeable mostly if you successively wins in a row. It would be unfair to everyone that who join in the game and can make them protest to stop us from playing that game. The house really knows who is the greedy one and that makes them take appropriate action.

OP is not cheating because he just followed something that he think is a trend based on his observation. The dice can't be rigged as well since its just made of an ordinary wood, the only thing the operator of that dice can do is how they position dice before they roll, what color is on top.

Cheating is a dirty bad ideas may cause it a bad karma, skills is the best way to enjoy the games not using cheating but people has have own strategy how get huge profits by using wrong ideas, I suggest be careful for your dirty ways it's possible they cause for your risk.

I am familiar with this game, I guess this is the game that you are talking about.


If you got lucky and all the 3 dice goes to the color you selected then your money will worth 3x and yes before you place a bet, try to observe first what is the color that usually shows up. There are times they somewhat shave the edges of the dice and also observe the colors that shows up when they prepare the dice before rolling it down.

It is not actually can be called cheating, it can be called as a strategy because you are saying that it is how you observe the flow of the game. Or maybe can be called as analyzing. Being observant is also good like analyzing and you applied it by playing gambling which is good that you triple your gambling capital.
If that is the color game that can be played with carnivals, then it is also good, you don't need to go on to the casino just to play and win jackpot prizes.

The thing is, most of these operations will easily spot people that picked up on their strategy and they will politely ask them not continue gambling there. When I was young, I participated in a game at a local market, where you had to climb a tall pole that was greased and then retrieve a tag at the top to win a prize.

I figured out how to "cheat" and I won several of the prizes, until they asked me to stop participating in the game.  

Operations like this, will find news ways to change the odds in their favour, when they realize that people figured out how they were "cheating" the game. 

 

Yes, I know he's not cheating, but I am too lazy to give attentive closely at the game to know the chance to win or not. No matter win or lose, people that came at the carnival still get happy and enjoy with the game. But I am sure some people can win the game by giving attention and can get the important point of the game, and that person has luck too.

Fair play in casino?you must be kidding man,gambling operators are chasing about our money as players and not to let us go with the wins thats why bankers always win(though there is some isolated cases that a player beat the bankers)

but yet this is not enough to say that there are 75% fairplay because it is not applicable in gambling industries

I am very familiar with the games you have mentioned and I can say that you are from the Philippines as well. Well, I had an experience of betting with the color games with one peso bill and made that capital 150x or more (i can't recall) but I really won big time. I was just a ten-year-old those days but I can't forget that moment. For me, the techniques in that kind of local game are to invest 10% only of your capital and use it as your bet. You have to be patient and keep on betting 10% consistently so that you can earn a big profit and don't lose.

Maybe your observation is correct but I am not yet convinced since my uncle owns one and I don't see any hack well, in fact, I see them going home with a bad mood because of losing. Yes as an owner of the gambling hosting, you also bet with the game but your capital must be bigger too.

I think this is well documented in a land based casino, case in point roulette, if you're observant you will notice that some numbers will always win, experts call this a biased numbers. It might has something to do with how the roulette was place or it is intentionally tilt by the casino management. However, you need to have like thousands if not mllions of samples before you can identify a table though, so there's a lot of hardwork behind.

Dude, he is not cheating...

OP just showed us the probability of winning if we are attentive to the game you will notice the difference of how to win and how to lose. But then again it may be just luck that he did win because there are some other factors that affect the whole game e.g. weight, height, size, etc. Most games in the carnival had each own tricks if you are observant enough to notice them.

Smart cookies lol       Seems you took a gamble but observed a method to improve the odds and recover from any losses overall,  doesn't seem that far an observation for anyone to make.   Surely more people have noticed this fact and would take the gamble then just you.    I'm pretty surprised if there is a clear way to heavily advance your odds and this does not become self defeating, the operator has too many people copying each other and so the game is adjusted

Thats what usually happens, its probably relevant to game theory which is part of free markets and the discussion on capitalism itself.   The idea that anyone can make a profit but we are all ultimately competing which each other which makes the system self adjusting

Is the gambling field will develop a lot in this scenario to improve our mind sense also it cast the people will come to understand the new generation of gambling society the thing that changes our life is gambling so we definitely need to understand very careful for the future.

Yes the playing method will be the answer to get the profits so make the quick sense that you are doing something with knowledge and experience it will be successful in any kind of situation.

I agree that only skill-based games can provide regular profits to professionals. One can of course exploit some troubles with games on certain websites or in physical world, but that is not fair and will probably eventually be revealed anyway. That colour game sounds like a fame of chance in perfect conditions. It might be that in real life the angles are not perfect and the ball falls on some colours more often than on others, but I wouldn't count on that. After all, it could be a coincidence, or maybe even that same place will use another desk (or whatever they use), but you won't notice and will lose big time.

I do not understand why this was posted here tough? I mean I understand the title says it is not for online gambling, but it is not even about gambling worldwide neither, its not about casinos neither, its just one game in one place that some people can play. Why is it talked about on a gambling discussion topic at bitcointalk forums? Should this be only for crypto casino games where we can play online ?

I am sure there are gambling games in many carnival places all around the world where the game is rigged and if you figure out how the game is rigged then you can probably get more money from that then playing online but that doesn't apply globally which makes it your issue and not others. You can talk about it with local people and your friends but why share it with us?

When you say that you're sure about this, how have you analysed your findings?
How many games did you watch, before you can to the conclusion that the ball was getting into the red coloured hole?

I'm not dismissing the idea that a badly tilted table could alter the results, but just be careful that you have a large enough sample size.
In the end it could also be that your mind is playing tricks on you and that you're just seeing what you want to see. 

Well, no one can be sure if the house can cheat or not in the back end. But obviously the casino house favor the casino and not the players. I will suggest to go to trusted casino only as there you will have 75% of the chances that they support fair play.

It's not cheating,as you said you observed it and that's the strategy that you came with to your mind. You have no assurance of that strategy but at least you have better and higher chance to win. I know that color dice game, sometimes you'll win x3 or x2 if the color will flock on the same color. Btw, can you give an idea on how much you've take home?

Its not a cheat though, its just happen that red is the lucky color this year and maybe people believes on that. In any casinos, carnival there are some bets that you think is good for you, and since its your lucky day you’ve got a profit but for sure it will not always happen so just enjoy the profit that you’ve get.

Yeah, you should not forget to be careful since carnival is an open area and everything is possible to happen. I’m so glad to hear your winning strategies but remember not to play every night so you will not become addict on that game, control that level of your emotion.

Hmm but i guess you are not that certain about this since you didnt bring all the money from the bankers ,and if this really true the players will notice this since you said that the red color is consistently bringing winnings though i wanna congratulate you for making tripple the capital that day,looking forward for more gambling tips

Yeah, knowing i noticed that not 0 degrees on that day, maybe its just really a coincidence but im glad i am a part on that coincidence. The cubes really are on same sizes and weights its just that, the amount of force applied to roll the dice plus the friction can change the technique. Its not a hundred percent but in 5 games, you will surely win even once. If not, i consider it as my lucky day and im still grateful for it.

Well... you're in a strange country...

Here in western countries casinos are under HEAVY regulations.
There are regular testing, confirming that no cheating can be done.
In particular the odds of all machines are tested on a regular bases by neutral outside companies. Everything must be completely random or the casino get closed and loses its licence...

There are very few games at carnivals that are not rigged. I am not familiar with this "perya", but be very careful, especially if the game has a person/owner running it.
Also observe the game for more days and check who is winning. If the ones winning are the same 10 persons most of the time, it's a gang of friends of the "owner".

Agree to that, this a wise move when dealing with gambling, being very attentive and knowing how to take advantage will help you out to win, congrats OP for being so active though there's no assurance with what you found out but it can help those people who loves this type of gambling they can use this as a basis and try to observe as well before they will make any bets.

Good for you if you did able to triple your gambling capital on that time and you can abuse it as long as you want but I doubt if they do really cheat players out they will notice that
you had notice already.

On the other side if those cheatings do really exist then there would be players will notice it and complaint specially with that 0 degree surface on that ball game and also with that color game
its just concidence unless those cubes are totally or equally plained sized.

I don't think that you should try your luck so fast. Maybe you need to check and observe many times and after a considerable period of time that the results are the expected ones then you will be able to test your strategy. I believe that you can't cheat it as you can't in the online casinos as well. Maybe you were lucky enough to guess the correct color.

Yes mate. Im from the Philippines and yes we can say that they still couldnt cheat us because the dice and the ball can still move to different directions. Its not a 100% accurate but I can say that its a 75% more possibility than just making a hunch. Its effective for me, and still worth a try.

I don't want to do because I don't know if it could be successful or not and the risk is if other people found me cheating the game, they can punch me in my face with many people until I don't have a face hahaha
But it still worth to try your chances in that game but be careful, don't make any mistakes to cheat them because I am already telling you the risk and I don't want you to get something bad.

Hey this is not called cheating by any means, this is called smartness and being observant which many gamblers at times do not possess. I feel you got lucky with this strategy as I had tried to pull this one a while ago, but it went horribly wrong. Also a piece of advice do not visit that place more than once, or avoid it for a while if they feel you’re winning a lot they could attack you or worst have you robbed.

good for you mate  .  keep an eye out of them because they may ban you next time or else something worst might happen to you because they know that you already busted thier strategy  . just dont play too often or play another games  or you can recruit some assistant to play with you  . good luck ,

@lassie, its not only in the phiipinnes because on most carnivals they also have gambling type of games but majority of them can be found on asean countries like india , singapore , japan  , malaysia  , etc .

This is not about cheating but this is what the actual skill which is doing the real magic in gambling. Unfortunately most online gambling for not giving room for you to become an observant of their gambling behaviors/secrets and in more particularly how their seeds are being generated.

This is the reason if you gamble against you friend, you will be having fairly 50% of chances to win whereas online gambling houses are claiming to have "the house edge" which is the real destroyer of everything.

Being observant and remembering past experience to avoid one particular incident a kind of things we can apply in gambling but the modern gambling environments are highly ultra faster one which will not allow you to think over anything so that they can keep you always in excited level so that you can gamble and lose and then move away.

I assume you are from the Philippines and you are talking about the local gambling place called "perya". If I am correct about it, the house still have the advantage over their players, trust me I've tried it quite a few times already and noticed what you are pointing here but in the end they couldnt cheat you like what you are saying.

So i recently posted a thread here where houses always win in every game. Here's the link.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48816442

After that, i visited again our local carnival last night and i noticed something. If you are observant enough you can cheat the game. Warning: Its not applicable to online games.

So heres what i noticed.
1. The game is what i told last time where there is this ball and wherever the color that ball lands, its the winning color and the price would be quadrouple your bet. So i noticed that theres a certain color that almost win. The color red. Its not just coincidence because last time i checked, it happened again. The color holes are somehow tilted and its not 0 degrees on level and the color red is what it will gonna hit on that position.


2. Color games with dice. So usually, this game consists of three dices , 6 color each (dice have 6 sides). The odds are less because it has more chances of winning. Ex. The dice turns yellow, blue and red, then all the bets will be x1 in that colors.The colors other than that is lost. If the 3 dices turns blue for example then all 5 colors are lost then blue is x3 and so on. If you will notice, the house always shuffle the dices before it roles and put those not winning color in place so that it will have less winners. Look at the position of the dices when it puts on the rolers, then usually, the color below or the color you did not see wins. I usually bet after the dices are arranged so that i can see its position.


I take home triple my gambling capital this time. If you are observant enough, you can somehow cheat. This is not 100% sure but it helps a lot on deciding a bet.

Happy Gambling