Topic: So the American right wing were the traitors all along? (Read 272 times)

For me it's not a surprise. Since the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, influent profiles on X social media which are also Trump supporters have started a massive defamation campaign against Zelensky and Ukraine. Always praising Putin and Russia as the good guys on the story, who are supposely just defending themselves against an evil western alliance.

These profiles are using conspiracy theories to instigate naive and mentally disturbed people to support and legitimate Putin's actions. People are so ignorant nowadays, that just because the government is ran by a democrat president, they discredit every decisions the government takes.

USA is in fact without any solid alternatives to manage the country for the next 4 years. Both sides have real potential to continue driving the nation to decadence, and on this matter in special, I believe Trump can cause a major harm by strengthening Russia's axis, while abandoning the european allies to disgrace.

you never stop to amaze me.


this is likely the best post you ever wrote.

to all badecker haters read this post of his.

And that is not supposed to happen, there is the problem.
No country has to have power on the elections of other country, regardless whether the first one is powerful or not and the democratic country is smallest and does not have as much influence over other nations.

The only ones who are supposed to have influence over the election of their public officials is the people of the country itself, through direct and popular vote (though, the United States does not have such a thing, because it is not a direct democracy).
The moment you admit there is Russian influence over the elections of the United States, then you also recognize there is an inherent problem which needs to be solved in American democracy, so the people get the power back, the same power is being re-directed to foreign actors.

Ironically, it would seem in the most of the cases, big and powerful countries are the most likely to suffer from autocracy or the effect of it. There are relatively small countries which have managed to keep a decently good democracy together over decades.  Uruguay is one example of it.

Now if only you would understand that this stuff is right.

Anybody who doesn't understand that Right Wing and Left Wing are only terms being used by the Big Business Wing leaders to confuse little people, and suck support out of them, is a little naive.

They are setting up fake media companies that look American to spread Russian propaganda that they know MAGAtards will believe.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/06/russia-election-interference-trump-harris/75103824007/

It's OK to speak about the election of the head of the world, or a Nation that has so much influence on the whole world. I don't think the right word should be interference since that will make it look like the Russians are telling or pressuring them to do this or that in their elections or even convertly sponsoring people to make the election go the way they want, or direcly influencing it to go their way.

But I agree that whoever Russia supports will have higher chances of winning an election since Russia currently has greater power or influence over the world. But that power could only work if a BEING with the greatest Power agrees to Russia's choice. Which is why it's important to support a candidate that deserves to lead. And to deserve to lead or be the head means you have greater influence on your people.

Pretty sure they are doing it. They have done it in the past and why would they stop now? Only because intelligence agencies around the western hemisphere of the country are more aware of Russian interference it does not mean Russia can be easily held to account on their actions to help certain candidates to get elected in the USA.


Only because a country seems to have a patriotic population, it does not mean it is okey or even legal to interfere or mess with other democracies. It is not about the concept of patriotism, but rather whether the elected candidate is more likely to push forward the national interests of an outsider nation, in detriment of theirs own national interest.

Do you think Russia is interfering in the elections?

They cannot be traitors since Russia is somehow more connected to Americans who are very patriotic of their country. So, it's OK for the patriots in the so called opposition to be allied with nations who support them for being "country-first patriots" rather than so called globalists or other countries first

And they literally handed that data to Russia. 

Not really surprising since Paul Manaforts resume before being hired to run Trumps campaign included "Helping Russia get their preferred candidate elected President of Ukraine"  

Did you ever think badecker has never set foot in the usa 🇺🇸. He is a group of three people that cowrite from moscow to attack the usa and defend russia. 🇷🇺

I kind of think it to be true. I figure five to ten accounts on btc are all written by russian agents dishing propaganda.

Plus two or three accounts pushing Chinese propaganda and countless pushing USA propaganda.

The internet has become this way. Not much joy in it anymore.

I am still giving some benefit of the doubt to some of those guys, I can't help it. When people get money from their influencer career I doubt they question where the flow of money actually comes from, they just let it be and continue to do exactly what they do, as they know it is working to pocket some thousands of dollars per month.
Also, I have evaluated the idea our friend BD to actually be a Russian asset being active in this forum, it could be possible but I doubt the Russian government is specially interested in changing the general perception  on their war in this corner of the internet, in case he is indeed getting paid for what he does then he certainly does it on other more mainstream social media where it is easier to find generation z and millennials easier to mold their minds to the ideology of the Kremlin.

Anyways, let us see if these indictments affect in some way how Russian operatives behave on American soil, I would not be surprised if Alex Jones ended up also being in the payroll.

Is it though?

I think Cambridge Analytica and Facebook played a much larger role in helping trump get elected.
Trump's team had access to the most sophisticated data anyone could have had at this point, and the people affected by this scandal weren't even aware that their data could be accessed. Both of these companies were western based.

To argue that Trump himself has a connection to Russia doesn't stand on its own. There are some parallels but also I think it's part of politics. Biden and the Democrats stand behind very different policies for these issues. For instance Biden has very close connections in the Ukraine. Is that also treason? And if the American people disagree with these decisions and want to make peace with Russia why should a presidential administration stop them?

To me also Jan. 6 seemed so odd. Trump refusing to concede the election sounded like something had gone too far even for him.
Treason? Maybe. By some interpretation of the events someone could say that trump was asking for a government overthrow, and therefore betrayed the government he was supposed to serve even in stepping down.

But also it appears as though his country's supreme court already preemptively acquitted him of all the charges. Presidential immunity lasts forever and for everything, as per the judges Trump and his party had appointed. Of course this "justice" system is very crooked when a president can commit crimes and appoint the judges who would have held him accountable. But as contradictory as it sounds, if we go by the system's rules and call Trump a Treasonous president, going by the system we also have to accept that he's also a person that can't be charged of nearly anything.

Russia (Putin's regime specifically) is purposefully trying to undermine US elections so it doesn't really matter whether any particular individual sees it as an enemy or not. Its actions are hostile and US persons aiding such actions can be traitors, and legal due process will provide justification (or not).


Treason is typically about acting against the government one has pledged allegiance to. Harming individuals or groups of people is likely a different crime.


I sincerely doubt that.

Oh, look. Another murder who wants to supply Ukraine with Western armament, and more money, to kill off the last of them.

Well, I guess Ukraine asked for it. They want to call themselves Jews (of a sort). But they won't turn to Jesus for salvation. So, like their adopted ancestors, they will die off until they find Jesus.

I'm curious to see what's the justification and thought process of calling someone a traitor for not seeing Russia as an enemy.
If those who harm the interests of the majority of the American people are traitors why aren't we spending our energy calling the military industrial complex CEOs, executives and lobbyists traitors?

Don't forget that they along with many of their political cronies would rather see BTC wiped off the face of the earth too if that was possible. Maybe if we consider the atrocities committed in the west's name worldwide with the deep goal to empower those few in the U.S. establishment Russia would pale in comparison.

Would you look at this treasonous weasel... anything for money. How much is Putin, I'm sorry, "Grigoriann", paying you, comrade BADecker?


Oh they knew. They'd have to be dumber than a bag of hammers to think that someone paying $100k to trash Ukraine is a "Belgian businessman" when a simple search would show that said businessman is fake. If they were so dumb they would employed full-time by Nigerian princes, not making Youtube videos.

They're just like our buddy BADecker - greedy spineless liars.

To me it was obvious there were some people within the right wing of the United States who were receiving money directly from Russia and Russian intelligence, though it was quite possible those receiving the money did not know exactly where it was coming from.
As some political commentators have stated, Russia is likely just to see on the internet whether they can find critical voices of the Biden administration which are also pretty much pro-Russia, when their political influencers are selected, they start to slowly funnel money to them, so their critical voices against the Democrat administration and pro-Putin are more easily heard by the general public of the United States.

It is some kind of psychological and ideological warfare to divide the population of the United States and making the nation weaker. United they stand, Divided they fall.

It only shows how easily one can become a foreign asset/ foreign agent in the eyes on the United States, without even knowing about it. As far as those political influencers knew, that money could have been donated to them from some anonymous billionaire who liked their content, instead of Russian government.

Countries will always have interests overseas. They will always want politicians who will favour them to gain power. None of the world powers will claim that they are not spending money on propaganda in other countries. The US will not also deny that it has also sponsored propaganda to support a presidential candidate in any country. America influenced the election of my country by refusing to provide criminal information about a candidate, which would have led to his disqualification. They did that because he would become a puppet to the US.

Just like they have supporters and opposers of the war in Ukraine and Gaza, the US is a land of freedom where people can freely support an ideology. There are Americans who believe that a cordial relationship between the US and Russia will lead to world peace. Trump once said that if he had the president, the war in Ukraine wouldn't have started. Some people have reasons to support Trump's good relationship with Putin.

There were reports that Russia helped Trump win his election against Hilary Clinton. But they failed to influence the next elections, and Trump lost. I don't know if they can still influence the November elections because Kamala has been leading in most of the pools. Maybe a hack of Kamala's phone can turn the tide just like it did in 2016.

 

The point is that the American warmongers and money-mongers want to control the world thru America. The world is going to fight back against their control, and some Americans who want FREEDOM will help the world.

The American people want success. But they don't want it by causing other nations to kill each other off - like American leaders are causing to happen in Ukraine and Russia, and in Israel and Gaza.

All the general populace of America wants is FREEDOM, and the right to be left alone. And they want this for the people of the general populaces of other nations, as well.

Here is what is happening in America. The average people are weak in leadership, because they are not narcissistic psychopaths like the ambitious leaders are. In fact, that's why the leaders were able to become leaders... because they are ambitious narcissistic psychopaths. For this reason average people don't rise up against their narcissistic psychopathic leaders and bring peace around the world. Their nature is not ambitious enough to do this.

Whatever the American right wing leaders were, they were simply ambitious enough to fight against the American warmongers and money-mongers who want to control the world... and they used whatever means they could find to accomplish those goals... even accepting help from other nations.

It just recently came out in a Department of Justice indictment that right wing media pundits were receiving Russian funding to continue their operations. It we're not just talking about puny funding, we're talking grants to the tune of millions a year.

Read more here:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/09/05/right-wing-us-influencers-linked-to-media-company-allegedly-funded-by-russia-what-to-know-about-doj-indictment/

Most of these people were vocal Trump and republican party supporters, unashamedly pushing very vocal propaganda in favor of the Trump campaign. Now it's come out that their biggest and most direct funding source not only originates from Russia, but has direct ties to the Russian state.

Isn't it funny, while the U.S. is at least indirectly fighting a war against Russia, some of Trump's most famous supporters online are revealed to be paid off by Russian state actors.

Given this revelation, the American right has a historic opportunity to turn this all on its head. End the cold war era propaganda against Russia and fully embrace that labeling its media as "foreign adversaries" isn't good for U.S. interests. Will they be brave enough to embrace this or do they want to just keep their support for Russia hush hush?