Update: solved! See
dooglus' post!
I'd like to get some feedback from established members. In my experience, when a website owner/promotor evades critical questions, it's usually a smoking gun. However, this is not a scam accusation (yet).
Accounts involved:
Jr. Member
Cherkez (
thread archived)
Newbie
vipgame (
thread archived).
I'll quote the relevant (public) posts about this (I've shortened some of the quotes, and highlighted my main concern in red):
Q:Yesterday, I tested your site and went all-in (with my free
0.0005BTC). It produced an error. I clicked again, and I lost the bet. That error made me question fairness, it doesn't look like something a user can avoid, which means it can be manipulated.
Question about fairnessVIPGAME uses the EOS transaction hash to generate its results, ensuring absolute fairness to all players.
EOS
produces several blocks per second. I'm not familiar with using a blockchain as random input (it's the first time I see this implementation), so I have to ask:
how can you ensure the bet uses the next block, and how can you guarantee I wouldn't just get an error if the result is in my favour? Or how can you guarantee you won't select one out of the next two results (in less than a second) after I click? The difference could be caused by lag, but it could also be manipulated. How can a player know for sure it's fair?
The result of VIPGAME is determined by HASH and cannot be manipulated. There may be problems with the network or display. You can join the telegraph group
https://t.me/vipgameio and directly report it to the administrator.
The result of VIPGAME is determined by HASH and cannot be manipulated.
That's not my question. I'm saying you can easily manipulate which hash is used, and you're just repeating the same as the website says.
There may be problems with the network or display. You can join the telegraph group
https://t.me/vipgameio and directly report it to the administrator.
Can you get the administrator to respond here? You're promoting the site on Bitcointalk, I don't care about "the telegraph".
Your question has been processed, you can view the VIPGAME wallet
Q:That doesn't answer my question at all. So I take it you have no answer, and you can indeed manipulate which hash you use for a bet.
I don't believe any casino owner is dumb, so playing dumb makes me even more suspicious:
A:Your question has been processed, you can view the VIPGAME wallet
That doesn't answer my question at all. So I take it you have no answer, and you can indeed manipulate which hash you use for a bet.
Each game result can be found and verified in the EOS main network section. Don't know why you feel that our results are manipulable? !
You can prove how we manipulate the results! If it's just because you lost, then I can't do anything about it.
I can only continue to talk about the content on the website: How are the Winning Numbers Generated?
DICE :The winning number(00-99) is generated from the next block of the block contains your betting record.
For example, the player rolled under 50, the block that contained his betting information was 43116451.
So the winning number comes from the next block: 43116452.
BlockHash: 0291e7a49bd634fdb726c8b6f6a962b8959183aab4e929941f244b619f0506f7
Starting from the end, the 2 digits are 6 and 7. So the winning number was 67.
None of this answers my question. The site claims to have "Absolute Fairness", which they can't prove. The only way to use a future block hash as random outcome for any bet, is if you can be absolutely sure upfront which block is going to be used. In this case, you don't know that because the block hashes are produced very quickly.
