Topic: Some german guys keep sending merits to each other for sig campaigns (Read 893 times)

I can in good conscience stand behind every single merit I awarded to bullrun2020bro.

I do not.  Once you became aware, you acted appropriately.  I did not expect this, and you have surprised me (which is rare in this forum).

I apologize for assuming you were just another person who profited/profits from OgScum and turned a blind eye to the morality.  You seem to be the real deal.


I'm sure it took you a lot less once you were faced with his post offering 8% monthly returns, or 10% if you gave him 2,000+   

Well, I think it's a bit of a shame how you feel about me.



Just as you call me a liar. Although I do not know how and when I should have lied.
I always try to behave correctly here...

And only because other users in the past probably weren't, who are purely by chance in my trust list.
That does not mean that he or she is in my list for some scam.
I will have had a comprehensible reason in the past. But unfortunately I don't know it anymore.

What you have shown me there, I can only deeply abhor.
Stealing or wasting other people's hard-earned money is simply the very worst. But it is now also many many years ago. And now and then people learn from their mistakes.
However, I cannot form an opinion about it, because I know far too little about this fraud and the member.
I would probably have to dedicate 1-2 days exclusively to this topic to be somewhat familiar with it.

Nevertheless, you should not resent me that I was simply not aware...

SiNeReiNZzz Trusts these users' judgement:
OgNasty (Trust: +71 / =4 / -5) (DT1 (-4) 1147 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

LYING about it makes you look worse than claiming ignorance.  OG ran a ponzi.  You were unaffected.  You trust OGNasty.  

(You could have changed it by not lying.. but whatever)

This is simply not correct. But if you think that way about me, I can't change it....

SiNeReiNZzz - I'm sorry I made you uncomfortable.  I'll just note you as part of the group that thinks ponzis are OK if they are not personally affected.  Take care. 

Yes, abusing the trust system is the way to go if you want to be one of many shitnoob trolls complaining about everything and ignored by everyone.

The embezzlement of thousands of coins is bullshit?   OG wrote himself he lost everything.

I want to leave some of the german scammers negative trust rating and flag them what is the best way to achieve it? create new account, make some transactions with trusted users, get feedback for the transactions, then leave the trust rating and flag the user?

Please what, I really don't want to offend you.
But this is absolute bullshit!

I am an absolute opponent of such systems!
And if you follow my history, you will also see that I am fighting against any kind of scam.

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What you are citing is from 2012.
I am a member only since 2014.
Whereby I was not really active in the forum for almost 3 years, since my account was stolen in 2016/2017!

So you support ponzis or believe 10% a month is sustainable?   That's all I need to know - you'll be with good forum company.

When I trust someone, it is for a reason.
Most of the time, I have read some post or the user has done some other good thing for the community.

It is not possible to know EVERYTHING about everyone. And probably you know more than I do...
Maybe one or the other would no longer be in my list... If I really would be something like a forum god and would know about everything...

My trust list should be cleaned out anyway. Nevertheless, I stand behind my list on the whole...

Do you mean from newbies only, or for everyone?  I see you trust people who have made many accusations without evidence...

Okay.

Accusations without evidence are like a bicycle tire without air...
I think you could not show some anyway!

Please don't attempt to provide any proof because nobody could possibly doubt a shit-stirring noob.

Uh....yeah, where have you been since Jan. 2018 (and even before that as far as fake trust goes)?  It's certainly frowned upon, but even DT members don't really tag suspected merit abusers anymore because there's so much subjectivity involved in merit-giving between members.  Giving fake trust to an alt account might earn you a negative if the proof is solid enough, so I'd say at least that much isn't tolerated.

I don't know exactly what transpired between you and bullrun2020bro, but if he got those merits on the German local board, perhaps he's a good poster there?  I looked at his merit history and I can't access most of the posts of his that got merited.

In any case, merit abuse tends to be self-limiting since sMerits are relatively scarce and I wouldn't pull your hair out if you think someone got too many merits in too short a time span.  There's always been shit like that going on and probably always will be.  For the most part, I'd say the forum is a hell of a lot better than it used to be prior to the merit system being introduced.

bullrun2020bro is a known scammer who keeps making new accounts on bitcointalk every few months with help of his merit source friends like 1miau, qwk and SiNeReiNZzz. He has scammed a lot of people in the german board thru pm and links to fake exchanges

There is nothing wrong with a merit source posting a thread asking users to share their contributions. So that he had the possibility to look at the contributions bundled, alone for time reasons.

bullrun2020bro does nothing forbidden here and especially other users do the same! Like me too...

Whether qwk in the end rewards the contributions with merit depends on his objective assessment. And this assessment I personally would not oppose anything...
There I must honestly say, that it is a good solution, before source merit at the end still expire!
And most important to say is that EVERYONE who can read and write the German language has the possibility to submit his contributions there.
To also get the one or other merit for good contributions!

I find this public hostility a bit of a pity... especially because we all come from the same local board!

Bury the hatchet and get out of each other's way is the best way, I think...

You can't remember last week. The fact you will protect proven scammers and trust abuse members for free is not something to speak proudly of. I mean there are maybe 3 or 4 DT1 that I wouldn't group in with most of the others.
Replace all with most if you dont understand that they're all can often mean the vast majority or as a general rule.


Now why running from every challenge to pop up here?
You're not greedy for money, you are sad and lonely and collude to have some pals who pretend they want to speak to you.

Well there is some kind of ponzi that someone says you were trying to set up but I've not looked at it.

I mean clearly the general observable motivator is financial greed. You have special needs that cant be solved with money alone.

Now back to the other thread and answer some straight questions and challenges based on independently verifiable actions you've taken on the forum. From scammer protecting, admitting to being scared to tag scammers, trust abusing, memory loss, laughable speculation that I'm now OG, dozing the forum treasurer and millions of the boards funds , ... just a few of your highlights mr I'm the longest serving DT1 ever lol.

Now debate where ever you like. I enjoy my new attention from you vod.
Don't go off me. Stick right by side and be sure to reply to as many posts of mine as you can from now on even if suchmoon posts little spammy pics demanding you stop. I know you of all people wont take orders from suchmoon.
Makes me sad foxpup is gone. He has allowed himself to be told what to do now I hear.

Funny, I've been on DT the longest, and I don't have a paid signature.  Would love to debate with you if you ever get the courage. 

Lol how do you think all the merit sources and DT1 are spamming the most highly paid sig spots ?

Merit is a cancer to the forum. Most people here are greedy self serving scum.
DT1 are those that perfected abusing the system first.

There is only room for so many noses in the trough.

@OP, you also a good poster but lot others along with you, the merit system isn't perfect but it is the best solution we have to avoid the spammers from rankup.And you know not every good posts deserves are getting merits because they were buried under the spam posts of others so just keep yourself posting the good things which can be helpful for the community.

And you shouldn't accuse anyone without enough evidence or else it will get backfire so try to solve the personal issues ASAP in smooth way.

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You can use, https://bpip.org/ and https://ninjastic.space/ to find all the merited posts of anyone under their profile.

A very strange approach to the community after a long absence. It is not clear what happened to the man that he became so rude and angry, accusing everyone of organizing the forum and taking on the role of a judge.
OP to accuse someone on the forum of being alternative accounts is not enough of what you are talking about.
There is also a "reputation" thread, you can take a look at the loudest accusation lately about alternative accounts. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5313637
Give examples like that, or at least use a topic  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.2820
But it's just silly to claim abuse of merit just like that. People communicate in their local section, and it is their right to merit posts, even if it is an ordinary joke, they have the right to reward it with merits.
This is the second topic with your insults and insults, it irritates.
Understand once and for all: no one here owes you anything. If you are strong, do it yourself. If not, then you should not shout and breed tantrums and scandals.

There's a thread elsewhere in the Forum where users are posting how they send reciprocal/re-merit to other users who have just merited them - having looked at the recent cross meriting that this user in this thread has done it looks to be a classic example of why they practice should be frowned upon/discouraged entirely.  There's some surprising users in this list who I wouldn't have imagined would bounce merits backwards and forwards, so I'll have to keep that in mind should I be inclined to merit any of them in future.

Just want to add, muenze was helpful to me , i am a newbie and in his posts you can see he was helpful ..

he has got his own point of view about crypto. I am not sure why the red tag was given and what does it do to the account. Also, i do not know him and he has not asked me to write a comment about him.

Giving red-tag sounds like a punishment , ppl have disagreements so here moderators can politely message that this is violating rule no.X so next time it ll cause your account to be banned or restricted or whatever red-tag etc etc. Instead of taking sides.

thanks

Post some of your posts that made this !
Or show us who made a post here and Bitcoin price explowed from this post !

This Forum is not to boost Bitcoin , its about to share Information and talking about Crypto and all related stuff.

So tell and let us know all for what Bitcoin and Bitcointalk was meant for !
I guess i am not the only one to hear your opinion on that and show us your knowledge.

Every Forum and community has rules , if you not happy with that you have to create your one Forum.

About your negative Feedback i guess it can be solved as 1miau have written , peacefully !

Likewise.  But, don't go running off just because you got a red-tag.  Realistically it hardly says anything about you.  It's just ranting about your accusations, which themselves seem rather petty and desperate.

No one here is perfect, but most of the time time a little civility goes a long way.  Take the initiative to end this in a civil manner.  Start by sending bullrun2020bro a pm, and stop the public dispute.

Well, I thank everyone who at least partly took my side.

Fuck you to the scum who only took one side and think fake negative
trust ratings are okay.

Also everyone is free to look at who started the accusing, maybe I could have
reacted better but defending yourself should be allowed. I will end it now.

When my account some day shows 500 merit and the rating is removed I may come back.

Your choice

He has not made one post that brought bitcoin forward and you only take
his side and defend him because you profit from the incest merit system too.

Thats not how bitcoin or even bitcoin talk was meant to be.

Had a great time here and hope I helped bring bitcoin forward
and am glad I was part of this for a little time at least, and help people
find good new projects and teams and make people aware of the dead horse
that is eth. Shoot it already and make room for the new!

Next time i invent something i will make sure it involves free
communication too and there can never be facebook-like-merits.

Now I hope I can find a new nice community where the posts matter nothing
else. But dont worry.

I know I will be fine either way, and I hope you will be too.

That's usually what happens when someone writes good posts. I don't see anything strange here.

In case you find someone getting shitposts merited frequently or you find someone meriting shitposts frequently, present your evidence here.

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Do we see different ratings obviously?

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BumpS?
I'm not allowed to post in there once without being accused of bumping "sig threads"?  

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Which posts from bullrun2020bro do you think are over-merited by me?  

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In addition, it's sad to see, that you have earned yourself a negative trust. I'm sure you can get rid of it, if you keep posting good content like here about Pangolin from AVA Labs, instead of accusations without proof.  

I recommend to calm down and sort it out peacefully.

OP recently became active again in bitcointalk after a 2+ year break and is doing good and helpful posts imo. But looks like he wasn't aware of merit/ranks/signatures until two days ago, because he was asking in the german bounty thread (showing interest in joining a campaign):


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Not sure what happened afterwards and made him so mad, but it started with this rant and goes on in here now picking on bullrun. While I personally think bullrun shouldn't ask for merit in qwk's thread no more - because once you have 1000 of them, there is no point in having more - it's not against the rules qwk set and is free to set, i.e. all non-Legendaries are allowed there to ask for getting their posts merited. (qwk is doing it that way btw, because he doesn't have enough time to read "all" the posts in german local and he is main merit source there)

You seem to be a bit butthurt @muenze for whatever reason, but you can't expect to have tons of merits after being away for so long, while bullrun was/is investing a lot of time and effort for over a year now. It's actually not necessarily always about the sheer quality of posts, but also if you are liked and respected by your fellow forumites etc. When you like a user in general, you are more likely to give them merit as well and vice versa. This is just normal human behaviour and nothing to dwell on, it will never be 100% fair - not in life and not with the merits. You will get there sooner or later, just keep going

qwk is a merit source in the German local board. He runs a thread in which members of the German local can submit the posts they feel deserve merits. The link to that thread is this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbountyairdrop-merit-5044331

The rules are very simple:
Each member of the local board (except legendary members) can submit merit-worthy posts once per month. They post the links and the number of merits they feel their posts deserve. qwk then checks the submitted posts, and rewards merits according to his subjective opinion. That can be more, but it can also be less than what the individual members think. 

He doesn't send those merits every day, and usually does it a few times per month. That's why you see a long list of merits awarded to bullrun2020bro on December 17. But not only to him, but several other users such as SiNeReiNZzz, Koal-84, seek3r, Soonandwaite, etc.

You can check qwk's merit history here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=24140. Check and you will see that each given merit points to a post that was posted by that user in qwk' merit thread.       

So i guess this is only because it looks like the OP dosnt receive or havnt received much Merits in the past.
Some Users making a big effort for there posts and postings so thats why they get some Merits when the Threads and posts are good.
About the selfmoderated thread and your deleted message , thats why a selfmoderated thread for to keep it clean .
Also you should be expecting some Feedback maybe if you accusing somebody for something thats not right and where is no proof for.

You should be improve your posts and its possible that you get some merits also.

Imho it's not the best way to use negative feedback as some sort of retaliation. If I am you, I would just leave him neutral feedback, put him on my distrust list and forget about him. No point even arguing much with him as he provided zero proof for his claims, just an empty talk.



People are free to share the merit as they please as long as they are not selling them or sending to alt accounts  and you provided absolutely no proof of either.

Well, see the insane merrits he has received on December 17, 2020 by qwk for more or less generic posts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2744352

Older merrits are not displayed for me anymore, since it only shows 120 days.

If you have enough proof like insider information, bring it here. Otherwise, you have no way to proof that they are abusing merit. In my eyes, they are meriting posts which seems good while it’s different to you. Simply posting this wouldn’t do any favor to you, not your case.

The trust rating that you received seems to fall short of the "high risk in trading" criteria. You would probably have more success arguing that instead of accusing everyone of something you can't prove.

You are not posting truthfully just like your fake trust rating.

I asked you why you were so hostile in defending ONE exchange that is known as being a scam exchange. You still have not answered it.

This is not an excuss, does 1meow merit bullrun2020bro post that did not deserve merit? If so, you can just lists out the such posts as an evidence and bring it up here.

But know that merit can be bias in the local boardz but if the posts are not worth it, report them.

I dont accuse 1meow of anything but he is a merrit source and he has exchanged trust (despite no transaction), bumps for sig threads (to ask for sig sponsor), and merrit extensively with that guy.

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bullrun2020bro has asked for Merrit for basically all of his posts in the thread and has gotten as much as 50 posts merrited in one day for generic posts, one liners.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

bullrun2020bro is a good poster, but there could be bias in sharing of merit in the local boards not only Graman boards, but as bias it may be, they still give it to posts that worth the merits. There is a board, I think German also, that they do give merit to almost all their topics, but that does not mean if the topics is quality and deserve merits. The non local board merit of a thing can be hard, theymos even like to give local boards merit source, it has reasons, but giving it to good posts is what is required. And as I know about bullrun2020bro, he is a good poster. Just  settle this between yourselves so that he can remove the negative trust from your account.

Yeah d5000, 1miau and bob123 seem like different people enough imo.

I think this has been brought up before as the German board isn't so active so a lot of recent posts and recent topics get pushed to the top so threads don't get swamped very much.

He has been nothing but hostile ever since i asked why he put https://www.trustpliot.com/review/coinswitch.co first in one of his threads for quick exchanges. There is so many scam accusations against this site, its probably the worst of them all.

I simply asked "why". He deleted my post, got hostile, and now left me fake negative trust.

Such a pleasant experience!

His only trust network trust is not even for a real transaction.

Is Bitcointalk now a site where its allowed and supported to have a lot of fake accounts and give each other
merrit and fake trust?

You are accusing bullrun2020 to abuse the merit system? I really doubt it. Although I don't know German language, I know him to be a good poster in global boards. There’s no proof of your accusation as well.
Regarding the tag, I guess it’s not a good practice kf the system. But since feedback isn’t moderated, you have no way but to mutually solve the issue.

The user @muenze is constantly spreading lies and false statements about me.

He has accused me of receiving commissions from exchanges because I list them in this thread: CEX, DEX, Instant-Exchanges, Broker & Wallets mit Exchangefunktion [Liste] 02/21

This is absolutely not true and serves only to damage my reputation here in the forum. After I called him out on his false statements he accused me of "Merit-Sharing" and "Trust-Buying" which is obviously also a lie. He is only interested in badmouthing me in public. He obviously can't deliver any proofs, since there are none.

I finally left the negative feedback because the user has publicly spread lies about my person several times in several threads. If this seems to be inappropiate I would like to know from other DT-Members how to deal with such a user.

See this users merit ratings. Got to high merit with a new account fast. Always giving Merits to each other
to level up their accounts so they can take part in sig campaigns with all their alt accounts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2744352

Is this supposed how the merit system is improving the forums? Now he left me my first negative
trust feedback ever, based on his fake trust he got from exchanging trust with his fake accounts.....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2744352

I never even was in any kind of transaction with him.. Or have offered anything or sold anything