Topic: Some ideas about Bitcoins recently (Read 547 times)

look at your post history:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/soroslamfer-2794791

it is clear that you are the owner of BitOffer and created this thread to publicize BitOffer.

this guy @Caltha Chen is also the owner of BitOffer, look at his post history:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/caltha-chen-2863143

why create too many accounts?

Basically, it is not just for minimizing your losses in bitcoin, it could be applied in all cryptocurrencies. Other than minimizing losses, it is also used to lock your profit, if you think that you already reached a profitable percentage, you can already sell your crypto to stable coins instead of directly converting it to fiats from centralized exchanges. Though for some reasons, I think the standard of value if we really believe in bitcoin is not any stable coins, most of the coins follow bitcoin, and it is Bitcoin that we need to consider to store our profits, because, in the future, the more bitcoin's we have, the more profit we can get and what if we sell to USDT or other stable coins and bitcoin's market price didn't become accessible again, it will be a hard decision for us whether to buy bitcoin just because we trusted stable coins over it.

ETH has a good future, and it encourages people to hold it as they hold bitcoins.

Now also you can check BitOffer Quantitative Fund, it is a fund giving investors fixed returns. It should fit your demand.

yes, it was an increase that surprised me, I made a small profit from trading bitcoin.  but no problem.  I will try to raffle my fate at ETH.  In the near future, I will do a short trade, stand on the computer screen, and analyze the price from the chart.

Its a mega blow for high risk investors although its worth isn't predictable but considering its current worth I think before during the first half of 2021 we should expect another rise in value as more transactions is been carried around the Crypto community. But it would be wiser if we invest with caution so as to avoid making decisions that might not be favorable to us at a latter end.

Trader use stable coin to minimize lost stable coin like USDT have invariably fixed price so if you hedge your crypto in usdt then you are not going to profit when the price increase just as it is currently. All trading platforms have tools and options to minimize lost and this is reason why it is always advisable to always set stop loss function just in case the price go down due to market volatility

At tis time, bitcoin is growing fast and I think it will be continuing several days. It has crossed $13k and hopefully it will reach up to $15k within next month.

When it comes to investing or trading it is way better to always go for the most conservative option, this may seem odd as the purpose of trading and investing is obviously to make as money as possible but even if you can make a lot more money by using leverage or other exotic options the truth is that for the most part people do not understand what they are doing and it makes something that is already difficult even more so and in the case of leverage any movement can be enough to wipe your account, just imagine how much money those that thought that bitcoin was going down have lost if they were shorting the market right now.

Bitcoin price is now almost $13k. Probably it will push out $13k within today. Bitcoin is running good. Maybe it can touch $15 in this year. Hopefully this year will end with a big price.

it was great to those who earned right after 12k btc show but less feeling for those who are waiting yet  . we all have target price , not all have a goal that start with 12k but if we disregard the personal goal and ask if what are people expectations for the btc price i think all of them will say that btc can reach 20k plus . 20k plus is the most awaited of all bitcoiners but not all have the guts and patience to wait for this shining moment . price was still high today , why transaction will slow down ? are people still waiting for more ? but low transction is a signal that btc can fly high more

Yesterday many people get excited of what happen to the bitcoin they are want to see the value of $12,000 because it is good to see again this coin for that price. We have 2 months left and we can back again the bull market and I think that we can do it because it's looks like in the year 2017 before the end of year the bullish happened but after new years its started to dump and I hope will not happen in 2021.

I think we can develop a longtime trading strategy now. This is the advantage of those whose trade pattern is already longtime expectation already. Bitcoin has broken $12k and trying to push out the $13k, this is good for a strong long for the ending season.

A $15,000 exit plan on bitcoin for this year is I think good.
I'm just wondering if it's value will still go below $10k or above $10k will be it's floor price, making me think if I should stop selling it and just hold my bitcoins for much longer.

Do you guys think bitcoin will reach atleast $8,000 floor price?
What's the best thing to do now?

I assume that there was an impact to the current okex former co-founder news to the price of bitcoin. As we know that the recent news talked about the FUD in okex will ignite a certain crash to the market. The withdrawals were paused by the okex. And I know that it has the reason that might trigger the traders. Well, out of it bitcoin seemed to have bullish and hoping that the run becomes long enough to gain back my losses.

last month bitcoin rose to $ 15000 but today it fell another $ 10000 like the stock investment curve. but I will wait for Christmas in this coming month, usually the price of bitcoin will go up again, hopefully like last year. and I am very happy

Should we have to distrust people's analysis all the time? Well, I'm not going to agree with that idea.

I know everyone has their own set of criteria, market analysis, price prediction but we can just rely upon it. Why we do our search? Of course, we want to hear other's opinions just like reading other market analyses. What we can get this is to have an open mind, it can also improve the way we think about the future that is why sometimes we need a mentor to helps us and clearly set our mindset for a better result.

You are right, don't trust any comment from analyst...
And do trust any good products and services.
Like perpetual Swap on BitMEX, you can earn leveraged profits, but you can also use it to hedge.
And also Options trading on BitOffer, you can earn a huge price from it, but you can also use it to hedge.
Things always got 2 sides.

We need holders to be optimists so that the market can be expected and potential, don't we?
12k to 13k only took less than 2 days, an adjustment is about to happen soon. You can consider short 1X bitcoin or buying put options, like on BitOffer, to hedge your bitcoins when you detect some signs that bitcoin is going to fall back soon. Hedging is an important thing to maximize profits and avoid value loss even you are a long-term holder, or a short-term "buy-low & sell-high" trader.

I don't know why Bitcoin suddenly pumped, this is a good thing that Bitcoin holders have been waiting for. With Bitcoin currently priced
at $ 12,800 which is a huge increase in my opinion. And I was lucky because I managed to buy Bitcoin when it dropped to $ 6,000.
So now my profit is quite large. I decided to hold Bitcoin until 2021, because I believe the Bitcoin price is still going up. The best strategy
for investing in Bitcoin is to be independent of other people's opinions. Just trust in our own analytical skills. Because trusting other people's
trading signals can hurt us. Because not necessarily other people's trading signals are more accurate than our analysis.

Well. Actually, the Paypal news is not the real reason.
Because it only supports investors to buy, sell or hold. That means you cannot withdraw it to your cold wallet, or transfer to anyone (But maybe transfer will be available). In addition, buying bitcoins on Paypal only makes you have a record on Paypal, the real holding address should belong to Paypal. Thus, Bitcoin trading on Paypal is a closed loop which is full of data.
About another part you said, yep, bitcoin should be our right choice. That is also the reason why institutions start buying bitcoin to store, or trading some bitcoin derivatives such as futures and options in their portfolio.
What is more, funds using Bitcoin as underlying also start showing up. You can also check the Quantitative Fund launched by BitOffer, that is how traditional financial institutions are working on: Doing Asset Custody to help investors get fixed interest.

We have reached already $12,000 alst August for just a few days and that seems not so hard it happens again and not so hard also its losses back down to $10,000. I'm not sure how the others thinking about $12,000 this time but I'm not considering as a huge achievement in the market because what most has been aiming by now is to break the $15,000 before we end this year.

The current momentum will surely won't make a long stay, as we all know that but I was then so positive that we ended this year with a strong market trend. If we can manage to hold it for awhile, guaranteed to have a profitable ends waits you.

It looks like the news that paypal has supported bitcoin has made bitcoin price go up to $ 13,000 albeit only briefly, and that's good news and it looks like bitcoin will continue to gradually increase until it reaches its highest price.
and take advantage of buying bitcoin now which I think is the right choice, and holding it for the next few years to multiply your very satisfying profits.

I deeply hold the view that every bitcoin holders should expect Bitcoins to the moon in the future. And I am a holder too, I also keep holding some bitcoins.
However, in the market, people will sell their bitcoins for fiat some times. Not only for Christmas shopping but also some traders need to buy low and sell high to earn profits. It is one of the reasons why Bitcoin is full of volatility.
That is fine, I chose to hedge, and sometimes I adjust my portfolio, like investing in some stable investments such as Dual-currency or BitOffer Quantitative fund to earn some tiny fixed income. At least, it can help me grow my asset value gradually.
I work for BitOffer, but initially, I am still a holder, and sometimes a trader, or investor.
Maybe it looks like shilling stuff, but if something can help traders earn profits, I should be forgiven. XD

Why not take some profits and leave the rest portfolio? because the price might likely experience a dip anytime from now Christmas is approaching some hodlers might exchange some of their portfolio to fiat to buy stuffs for celebrations definitely that is going to affect its price, however if your price perceptive is long term then you have to be patience as price action had been very bullish in the last couple of days probably next year might mark another remarkable year if the price can break the last ATH of 2017.

That's a good idea I would say because BTC is very powerful coin in crypto currency and it has the capability to break any barrier even the 20k which happened in 2017, even my long-term goal is to hold till 2025  because I think it will go over the moon again in few years.

Yep, the surge was rapid, so an adjustment is required in the short-term.
Don't try to predict how whales will do, they also need to cash out to earn profits from the market. That is why hedge matters

The price of Bitcoin has rissen quite a lot only in the last 2 weeks already. Seems to me a large investor or a group of investors with large financial muscles is driving the price upwards.

There may be a period of consolidation before the price moves higher again, due to the fact that some would want to take some profit after the recent runup in price.

From the market value reaching $12000 it means the price has been crossing price barriers at specific time interval. This way the price of bitcoin has marked its $10000 barrier by the end days of July. Further the price $11000 reached immediately without much delay. After on the market took weeks time to cross $12000, again it fell low to $12000 and now with more market stability the price has crossed $12000. This looks to be the price is growing gradually nothing to think big.

20% interest per year? are you sure? So you will charge higher fee than other exchanges, right?

I have read all the comments above.
You guys are all correct in your way.
Bitcoin is an asset that is full of volatility. Holding it or trading it is both a way to earn profits from the market. It depends on which style you are.

If you are a holder, then hedging is an important thing to do if you plan to maximize your profits or avoid any unexpected risk. To hedge your bitcoins, trading bitcoin derivatives shall be the easiest way to do that. Taking BitOffer Bitcoin Options as an example, if you hold a bitcoin, and now the bitcoin price is 10k, and you are afraid that if it will dump, then you could buy a put options contract. When Bitcoin really dumps, like decreases by 1k USD, the bitcoin you hold makes you lose 1k USD. However, the put options you buy get you a 1k USD payoff also, because the put options you buy will enable you to earn the market change directly if you choose the correct direction. Notice that only American Options allows users to do that, and that is why I only take BitOffer Options as an example, not options on deribit.

What if you want to earn money from Bitcoin but you don't want to trade or hold?
The Bitcoin financial ecosystem is developed in recent years, so many funds using Bitcoin as Underlying has been launched, like the Quantitative Fund on BitOffer, it guarantees investors capital and 20% interest. Many people may doubt it. But actually, a well-done quantitative team shall be able to set any arbitrage strategy to arbitrage from the market.
Not only BitOffer, but also Huobi Global, or traditional institutions such as Goldman Sachs are working on it.

Follow me, I would love to share more info and strategy of hedging bitcoins.

i prefer to buy it and keep it long term, because i believe bitcoin will continue to have a high value every 4 years, so don't have to follow bitoffer sites or other similar sites, i see bitcoin price hitting 13k too i think maybe it will touch it again $ 15k in soon

Maybe this is not a matter of breaking fate, because many big whales have predicted that in the next few steps Bitcoin it is time to go up and the whales come to buy Bitcoin at a high price and hold it because they know Bitcoin 2021 will rise even higher than the current price, so they buy at any price to hold.

I think that there's a correlation between the amount of BTC transactions and the Bitcoin price.
If the BTC transaction count starts to increase,the Bitcoin price will go down for sure.
What's happening right now on the crypto markets is just another price bubble.The price might go to 15K USD,but it will eventually return to 10-11K USD.
There aren't any stable Bitcoin investments.Blockchain.com and Nexo are offering 10% interest rate,if you lend your Bitcoins,but I don't think that this is a "stable" investment.

We are all adults here, why persuade someone. This is your business, your decision.

I also believe that now we need to play an exceptionally long-term game with bitcoin because this option has been repeatedly justified.

In case you don't know the latest surge is related to the news that PayPal is adopting Bitcoin.
Imho this has a good chance to trigger further steady increase of the price, especially as there quite a pressure and expectation building up since the halving.
Bitcoin price evolution is hard to predict. And a prediction for the rest of the year has a great chance to be wrong because of the long period of time.



The usual idea when you don't know what to do at trading Bitcoin is to Hold. Eventually that should pay off.

Bitcoin like other investments can't be well predicted because certainly events that fluctuates the cryptomarket will always play a role in bitcoin rise and fall (stability). Although bitcoin investments generally involves close study of the value it adds to market capitalization.

Really it supposed because many people has been predicting the rising of bitcoin since these year 2020 when bitcoin was $11,000 and now according to op Btc is $12000, it's highly advisable to buy Btc when it falls and keep it in wallet without investing in any platforms because now bitcoin has kicked off to $12000, so with time it will get to $20,000 as expected and those that purchased at lower rate will definitely make positive profit.

When October Start Bitcoin Price Is Around

1st October : 10,889 USD

22Nd October Bitcon Rate Is 12,734.60 USD( Today )

Bitcoin price of continues to increase.  I don't plan to sell  my bitcoins before 2020

$6 million of Tether USD was minted. I don't think of $15k at the end of 2020 but it is good if your target price will be hit in this year.

Without the reach to that price, I won't feel bad because I am bullish with Bitcoin in the long run. I don't plan to sell all my bitcoins before end of 2021. $50k for one bitcoin is my exit price. I can wait for months or next 2 to 3 years to see it happens.

Currently the price of BTC continues to increase. It will probably hit $ 15k this year. I see Bitcoin price movements are very sharp, some buy at high prices. I think the whales are returning to dominate the Bitcoin market.

Don't just get carried away because of the market volatile take it easy, the bitcoin price are on the uptrend and this is a good time to pull out or not it depends on your profit. Base on my experience this is just normal before I experience failing investing with the 7k price and this is just a false alarm of the movement of the graph. But if you are trying to make a line on the graph this looks line make another upward movement.

When I try to draw a line on the graph it gives a good pump not a dump but I don't want to give a conclusion because again the bitcoin is volatile no one can predict but we can identify the next move.

For me, the only acceptable option for investing in bitcoin is a long hodl. All other strategies that imply the presence of leverage, or options, or anything else that increases the risks - in my opinion, are superfluous. And my conservatism in this respect has never let me down.

Bitcoin Options is another potential derivatives. But the market is likely to fall back after the breakout too 12k.
Bitcoin investment with stable return is a good concept but I never saw it unless some whales make some arbitrage strategy for themselves.
Do you have any good idea?

My heart for the bitcoin is dead. Don't persuade me. Waiting for the comment about the BitOffer QA wealth management. If it provides stable return, maybe I will come back to bitcoin investment.   

BTC surged to 12k last night, it was amazing...
12k has been the target for a long-term, it is destined to be broken once before 2020 ends.
However, the transactions now has reached the lowest number. The continuous market in the rest of the year 2020 shall be sideways..

I earned a lot from BitOffer Options today, but in the near future, how shall we set up our trading strategy?

Maybe some stable Bitcoin investment to earn fixed return?