Topic: Some Random Thoughts on KYC and Non-KYC (Read 848 times)

I also dont clearly understand why KYC and gambling is such a harsh problem, that everyone must leave a comment how he is against KYC and worried about the future. I have been gambling in different casinos as well, and the last time I was asked to pass KYC was when ICO were popular and some require KYC to get tokens. In one casino I have an account that is almost 5 years old, I've been gambling there nearly weekly and still hasnt attracted any extra attention from them.

It's for the security of both ends, the online casino's end and the gambler's end. It's not like KYC is something that the online casinos want us to do but because they are forced to apply the mandatory because the government where they are under requires it too. Simply put, they may stop continuing their business if they don't follow the rules.
So a KYC requirement can also mean that the online casino is a legitimate one but I am not saying we should stop there. Let's also look at different angles to say an online casino is really reputable.

Obviously, by their very nature, decentralized casinos shouldn’t even have the authority to implement KYC. But the discussion isn’t really about them because, despite their appeal, they often can’t offer popular games or attract a large number of gamblers.


I’ve gambled in different casinos, and most didn’t require KYC, which made the experience feel much more comfortable. However, with the recent news that some casinos are now enforcing compulsory KYC, it’s a bit concerning. It raises the possibility that even those casinos that have been lax about KYC might eventually start implementing it if regulatory pressure increases. At the very least, we should be prepared for this change, it seems like the trend is heading toward stricter compliance across the board.

For this reason, don't do anything strange when you carry out gambling activities at online casinos. For me, casinos determine KYC or not, it's the same, if they suspect a particular user they will not process KYC for that user, Likewise with casinos that don't have KYC, if they want to do anything they can do, the user still loses.

If you think casinos are a place to get rich and put all your money in the casino and gamble until you die, that's totally wrong.
So that you don't have problems with the KYC system and can always make normal gambling withdrawals, Don't be greedy and bet as usual, if you win you won't be suspected so you are safe.

On average, online casinos don't mention KYC, but the KYC rules are built in, where visitors are not shown KYC when they win normally and small, but if they win big the KYC comes out, that's when problems start to appear at the same time, but not all casinos are bad, there are also those that are responsible, even though they don't require KYC in the first place.

Well, very good observation really, I understand that it's been a while since you started this thread/discussion, but then again, I also assume that it's not too late to contribute to it, especially for someone just coming around for the very first time.

If you ask me, I did just say that we should just come to the conclusion that there are really no No-KYC casinos anymore, especially if the casino we are looking at is a centralized casino, whether they own an operating license or not, just believe that they are kyc complaint and have your guide on and be ready for the day they may arise and demand kyc verification.
Saying this because, from the time I've been on this forum and till date, alot of casinos have passed through this forum, some claim to be non kyc casinos but today, they are no where to be found, while others that still manage to exist today are now fully complaint kyc casinos.

So, I think the trick most new casinos use to attract players is the non-kyc stuff, most gamblers hate kyc, and because of this, they jump on any casino that comes around to claim they are a No-KYC casino, even without reading their terms and conditions first.

You can consider decentralized casino as casino that doesn’t have KYC since they are not regulated. There’s still a lot of casino that doesn’t have mandatory KYC however most of the popular brand already have mandatory KYC due to tightening of regulations as the business is already expanding and at the same time crypto is widely acknowledged as a currency.

Here that I found on the internet that you can read more here https://www.idnow.io/blog/importance-of-kyc-in-online-casinos/

"What is KYC in online casinos, and why do gambling operators need it?
Know Your Customer (KYC) is a process used by online casinos and other online gambling platforms to:
Verify the age and identities of customers
Ascertain whether identity documents are legit
Detect risk factors, such as problem gambling (gambling addiction, affordability issues).  
KYC is an essential part of Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Counter-Terrorism Financing (CTF) regulations in many countries. Adhering to these regulations protects operators from reputational or monetary risks, and safeguards customers and national economies.

Besides preventing fraud and guaranteeing compliance with age restrictions, KYC helps operators ensure responsible gambling measures and filter out problem gamblers. By monitoring customers’ gambling activity and evaluating their spending patterns, operators can identify those at risk of developing gambling problems, such as gambling addiction. "

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So it like mandatory for casino based on many things, and if you asked me Are there really no KYC casinos? I do believe yes

I think there are ton of online casino that dont mandatory KYC but as they get big and regulation / government start to notice they would be get sanctioned and put KYC on their site.

Well, you can do this, of course, in any case, but often a situation where a casino requires identification occurs if you have won a large amount. And then, in order to receive this money, you will have to fulfill the requirements of the casino. As I wrote above, the reasons for such requirements may be different. Maybe this is done at the request of the laws, or maybe in order to create difficulties for the client in order not to pay him money. Anyway, people play to win, and in order to simply refuse to win because of the KYC requirement, there must be very good reasons.

They may be forced by 3rd parties  ^{for instance some government surveillance agencies} to question you and dox your identity. Thus, I always suspicious about such questioning and immediately leave such casino at any KYC attempt ^{noticed by me} from their part. No-KYC casino preserve my freedom while those ones that requires KYC may result in the use of my personal data for the illicit activity.

When playing in casinos that do not require KYC, you should always treat this issue as if you assume that KYC is required. Then, if the casino has any questions for you, it will not be a surprise. Because in any case, in questionable situations, any casino may require identification. Another question is why this is happening. But this is a separate extensive question, not exactly according to the profile of this thread.

Any casino like this will not have a good reputation. My dear transparency is one thing in an online casino. If KYC is required, it should be made clear from the start so that the user will know if a user would love to continue with the sign-up process. Not when a user has sign up and deposited in the casino. Perhaps played a few games and won. Then they won't allow him to withdraw his money.

When i did a review on the MokeyTilt casino platform, this was the first thing i checked. Most times these casinos hide the KYC procedure in their Tos then after a gambler files a complaint to their support, they would refer him to the Tos which he skipped. This is why reading through the Tos at least a glance is very important. Because these days casinos are formed of hiding everything there so that they won't accept your withdrawal when you win big.

That is also their kind of strategy to attract a lot of players, as if KYC don’t exist, but when it’s time for withdrawal, especially a massive amount, then KYC becomes a necessity. And players have no other choice but to comply, or else there will be no withdrawal at all.

But I doubt if there are actually real casinos that clearly state NO KYC, or it’s just our own anticipation that this casino is not KYC mandatory.

KYC on large volume seems to be the summary of my own personal experience.    Its not too dissimilar to what happens with banking, the famous 10k limit on banks often mentioned in movies that kind of thing.     I dont see why people messing about with small bets is any concern but also they want to track laundering funds where large amounts can be used for that purpose and I suppose that makes sense.

By far plain Dollars and FIAT cash is the main transport for the criminal fraternity I guess but people have this idea that online is a great danger because of its speed and distance I guess.   Most of us are caught in the cross fire unfairly.

Its difficulty for casinos that claim that they re non-KYC casinos to avoid KYC. Even if they try to pull the concept for a period of time they cant hold it for long. Especially the web 3 casino in fact most of them give up in the end.

Knowing full well that is hard to regulate and manage individual activities in a casino where there are thousand of users even with KYC then talk more about a non-KYC casino and how hard it will be for them.

You are right, what can be done is to avoid all that KYC treatment in each casino, I stick only to complying with it in Casinos that I consider a little safer, with criteria such as having more longevity, their good reputation and that they always maintain high marketing, one of the things we have as an advantage is to have the threads in the forum always present, because it is a constant update of the events, some only conform with social networks , but here with the photo we have many advantages, but in itself we are the ones with the last decision, at this moment any casino must comply with KYC, but it is up to us to comply with it until we feel somewhat comfortable, be it at level 1, level 2, the question is that you can withdraw money calmly in case you manage to win.

Asking for KYC to make their services better and to know the type of customers they’re dealing with especially when they perceive a fowl play from such customer. Non-KYC casinos are not common and that could be the reason why they don’t last long or become active for a very long time. It’s very hard for them to deal with anonymous people without posing some threat to their services that they render. Asking for KYC should not be a problem to customers when their intentions are pure with the casinos. Then again, it’s now left for the casinos to hold on and never disclose the information of their customers to anyone except if deem necessary in some circumstance.

Once you do give your information into any platform or services out there then there's no assurance that it will really be that totally safe and despite on having those kind of claims that those informations are safe and secured but still it will really be that better that you should be not minding that much or get prepared with those possible leaks because we dont actually know on what are the things that they would gonna do
with those accumulated information into their users. Talking about KYC then this is something not really that shocking nowadays on which we know that regulation and laws are really that becoming strict even to those
crypto casino whom we do thought that they cant be able to touch with legal aspects but look at on where we are now? Those KYC-less casinos had become that making that switch up and now asking for some verification
on which kinda sucks because here on crypto space, we do highly despise on having that kyc and much prefer on playing anonymous but well there's nothing we can do. They are indeed businesses and since this do talks that huge inflow and outflow of funds on where it isnt something that government would really be allowing for them just to operate without having those regulations since this one talks about having that huge revenue or money flowing into them. So its not shocking that they will really be sooner or later will be regulated and here it comes or it did really actually happen. Therefore as a user then it will really be that up to you whether you would be continuing on playing on the same platform and trusting them up and comply kyc or you would really be trying out to find another places which doent really require it? It will really be that up to you.

That's right, now we as good players rely on confining the KYC only to the most reliable and reputable casinos and although not everything is safe, a casino that is quite safe and reputable gives us the greatest peace of mind if we play there, what you say is very true, the anonymity is what we must take care of but not in casinos, but in our finances, those who have btc, crypto should not make the mistake of declaring them under any circumstances, because the government would already have a whole list of what we have and what we don't have, so it's not good, and if they realize that we play in a crypto casino the taxes must be huge.

But they can not deny the request of KYC from the casino or other websites especially if they are use that site very often. KYC now becomes a primary things on the sites to prevents the illegal things that their members can do.

And even if they knows how to put anonymity, they will difficult to skip the KYC because that will be one of the requirement that the sites apply. They can use the casino or other sites that doesn't requires KYC but they must be careful to pick the sites and play the games on that site. Maybe they will still find the casino that doesn't require KYC but in the future, that will difficult to avoids.

This is the correct and clear way to conduct KYC/ AML procedures. Doing everything from the start makes the casino far more legitimate and transparent to its possible clients.
Casinos that require verifications after accepting a deposit without asking for anything or making big sign-up offers but don't write the full terms from the beginning are not among my favorites. It seems designed to trap you into putting your money in (this is always in the casino's interest) and being unable to withdraw it. Why would a casino do this and be considered tricky or sketchy?
As for anonymity, unfortunately for us who loved it, the days when we didn't need to do any kind of verification were long gone.

On this very thought I think there's absolutely no casino without  KYC requirements and if in cause of signing in,it wasn't mentioned then definitely when you want to make withdrawals and all that it'll actually pop out that KYC verification needed,so therefore there's actually a KYC casino and don't get it twisted or believe from anyone that it's not compulsory ,it's a necessity.The issue there is most casino are using some mischievous methods to lure users make use of the casino and at the end of it, you'll be told to do the verification.

This is why we have many scam accusations from one casino user against their casinos when in fact they the users are the ones who are at fault. I usually read something like, this casino with held my winnings and are asking for KYC.

Casinos should make their terms of service the first thing users read either when they click on sign up or as soon as they sign up. It may have a little effect but still should help.

We must be wise person to respond to it.

When we prepare to gamble, we have to think immediately to send the KYC even the KYC is not required. We don't have to create assumption the casino is not required even they told they were 100% non KYC, because if something happens, as an example the government where they operate the casino change the Constitution, and obligate all member to required KYC, then the member should proof it. they will lose access, and of course will also lost they fund on that casino. So, we must be aware of the responsibility to maintaining our integrity on the casino.

That is why it is a very important to always read terms of service before sign up casino since most of them are hidden in their terms and conditions, because even as they said they are none kyc casino as a gambler you should be prepared about casino requesting for your documents.
I think the reason why most casino request for kyc is for the safety of their site and also AML, and I don't think casino would entirely eliminate kyc from their sites.

Well I think you're right. of course that is the real truth about it because any online casino that put KYC as mandatory in their platform would going to end up losing customers, while because there are alot of online casinos out their that is looking for customers to come and sign-up in their platform without any KYC. However, on like before almost all the online casinos used to put KYC as mandatory due to the fact that they were few then so wether you like it or not you most do their KYC.

Casino that don't ask of kyc does not necessarily mean they are non kyc. I just think the casino just left it like that so that many people can sign-up easily because requesting kyc opon registration to some people may reduce their chances of registration and the casino  in turn lose some customers. So I believe what you said, I could be that they left it should incase they smell rats then they can request for it. Even if there are non kyc casino, it could only be few.

And that is the biggest mistake, a casino that requires KYC must do so at the time of Deportation and until the KYC is passed , no deposit can be made.


It is a fact that things are like this, but I think that in the future we will not be able to implement KYC as everything goes, because people do not like being followed, to see what they do and what they do not, currently technology has been in charge of providing more tools to be a little more anonymous, the younger generations already know how to put anonymity Protocols on their Actions on a PC , due to Online games or something they do so that they do not get Hacked and without shame learn about networks and security, that is something that is very useful, then they will not want to reveal their identity, that is something that is being Implemented for now , but I am sure that many will Skip those regulations.

Maybe you can still playing gambling comfortably in Telegram without doing KYC but in the future, the casino can ask you to do KYC easily. It is a matter about time when the government will request the casino to do KYC for their members. You can ask to the gamblers who won big in that casino about doing KYC when they want to withdraw the money. Usually, casino will request them to do KYC before they continue the withdrawal process as they want to check everything before they send the money. So it is our concern to aware about that and prepare if that time comes.

No KYC doesn't necessarily mean they will never ask for KYC, if they have any suspicion that the funds deposited may involved something illicit or found its related to any scam that's reported to authorities then as standard AML the first step is to ask for KYC details. I have no problem with submitting the KYC to where I play but I don't really interested in every casino that I came across so choose your casino wisely and when you do then be prepared for anything they might ask in the future ever.

I have seen some Telegram casinos that are truly non-KYC because KYC are not required to use them neither was it mentioned in their TOS as a requirement to use their platform or something that will required at some point of using the platform. Apart from these Telegram casinos, I have not seen other forms of casino that does not require KYC and even if I see one, I will not have much confidence that they do not ask for KYC when, I know they will ask should I have big winning. I prefer completing KYC before being able to deposit.

Though there are still casinos that are not requiring strict KYC but most likely they are those weaker and non-licensed casinos, so they won't care about KYC at all. Compared to those legit and highly reputable casinos, they will make it clear from the start that KYC is well implemented, not abiding on it won't never give you the chance to play on their site. So if you wonder if there are actually purely non-KYC casinos these days, yes there may be but when it comes to cashout and withdrawals, they won't be able to give you the convenient and fast transactions that you will most likely experience in KYC casinos.

Casino requiring KYC after smelling something fishy is normal and it’s best because there must be a reason why non KYC casino will require KYC after a long period of time. Casinos nowadays will always demand for KYC why else because as time goes gambling rate keeps increasing and probably some activities can be carried out while gambling. The issue with casinos demanding KYC after registration sounds strange like I said they know their reason, it’s better gamblers get to see the requirements first before deciding if registering is okay but in a situation where by the terms and conditions are not stated gamblers do grow annoyed and it’s so bad losing customers, this is my observation regarding KYC casino.

KYC mainly focuses on the legitimacy of a casino especially KYC is considered mandatory in all casinos that have a casino license. Identity verification is usually required to prevent KYC from engaging in fraudulent activity on an account. In these cases of money laundering, withdrawal of large amount, users must be asked to verify their account. Of course the casino's T&Cs are all covered when creating an account.

Everything could really be seen into their terms and conditions about on how they would really be gonna handling out their KYC procedures. Always assume that most casinos running nowadays are already
that regulated on which this isnt really that shocking anymore because government would really be trying out their very best on trying out to regulate these businesses knowing that tax generation is something
that would really be significant because of the potential earning on where these businesses are really that generating into.  One of the most important thing to consider on choosing up a casino is that
into those current reputable and known ones into this market. They might be asking for some KYC verification specially on hitting up something big but you could really be able to assure that you would really be able to get
those winnings on which i dont really see any issues with this as long you do make yourself that been dealing into those legit platforms or casinos that we do have today.

It's even difficult these days to see a casino that doesn't request for KYC, it's really hard unless just want to give room specifically for people that don't want to do KYC and preserve their privacy for obvious reasons. It is really difficult to see a casino that is not kyc, most of the casinos that we have today are strictly casino where kyc are compulsory before you make deposits and where you may not be allow to deposit unless your kyc verification if completed.

The casinos that are kyc but wouldn't request until you want to withdraw looks like a thief to me. They make people register on casino site but wouldn't make it mandatory to deposit, they allow money to enter but as soon as you want to withdraw, they give you excuses of verification and when you are done, they tell you to go wager atleast one game before you withdraw and that's because they know very well that in thag process, you can lode your money to them.

I believe that there's no permanent non-KYC. It's most likely that you would be playing with casinos that can let you play even without that. I think it's important that if they ask you to, you need to comply. It's probably because they reserve the right to ask for it unless the casino is illegal or something. It is plausible to see their ToS if they have this kind of thing.

There should be a balance between privacy and security of online gambling.

The thing is - you might be able to find casinos that do not require identity verification, but they are probably not casinos that you want to store a lot of money in. In order to avoid KYC requirements, they would most likely have to be hosted in some pretty shady jurisdictions, which would coincidentally make it much easier for them to disappear with vast amounts of customer money if that is what they decided to do. Besides that, you'll find that several casinos have imploded in the past when their owners have been extradited because they thought they were clever and did things like taking deposits from US customers - their financial regulators have pretty extensive reach to shut down these sorts of things and use it very effectively. It's a matter of safety for your casino balance.

Not all casino, but they should be licensed at least. Before requiring their players to undergo kyc. Because if the site is not licensed and anonymous, do you think it is fair for their players to comply with KYC protocol? I don't think so.
So the casino should make sure they are operating legit and with necessary license before restricting their players owed to KYC docs.

OP, what are you talking about?? It's either this information is wrong or written incorrectly... Possibly some typos. Look, getting registered on a casino that doesn't require KYCs is one of the lamest ways to lose your funds ...
There's nothing like owning a firm outside the regulatory bodies/agencies and keeping it reputable still; infact, one of the more reasons why they refuse to get their asses a licence with the Curacao licensing commission/ or another agency is that they wanna solely control whatever happens in there -- in that case, they could fold up and disappear into thin air without any traces or they can hide from censored policies against MONEY LAUNDERING.
what sort of AML policies do they follow?? Who regulates these policies for them?

Unfortunately, strict compliance procedures are the reality of our world. I don't like it. The principle of presumption of innocence in the financial sector no longer works.

A simple suspicion is enough and the owner of the funds will have to provide a huge amount of supporting documents (to prove that he is not a criminal). Online casinos can also be understood. If it turns out that criminals have cashed out funds (obtained by criminal means) through casinos in the past, then law enforcement officers will make claims against the casino. They will demand that the criminals be identified. This is why online casinos introduce KYC procedures.

Unfortunately, in our time, any casino can require any user to undergo the KYC procedure. This may be due to a request from law enforcement agencies or other circumstances.

Casinos need a license and from what I understand, the license provider requires casinos to do KYC on their customers. So it's hard to find a casino that won't ask for KYC and if the casino doesn't have a license, people start to be afraid to use the casino. So new casinos and even old ones don't have many choices and have to ask for KYC. I don't have a problem with KYC. In fact, I think it's a good idea for all casinos to ask for ID so that minors aren't allowed to play in the casinos. The problem is when some casinos start asking for a lot of documents and purposely reject people's documents when they have big wins so they don't pay out.

True, even the supposed non KYC casinos do request KYC at some point, probably when the gambler gets a huge win or huge deposits, before withdrawal of such funds, KYC is usually required in most cases , I doubt if I have seen any they literally don't require KYC at all except that they don't require it upon registration but for the sake of anonymity KYC shouldn't be compulsory except for those who really does wants it then it could be granted them but they shouldn't make it compulsory less the gamblers runs away from it based on the fact that their identity isn't protected.

The problem is not about being trusted and not being trusted, but it's about regarding a KYC casino as none KYC. Just because they don't make KYC mandatory doesn't mean that they should be called nonKYC.
 
We should always address them properly in order not to confuse ourselves, like some casinos openly claim to be none KYC while their TOS says a total different thing.

Well done, many people don't want to believe that asking for KYC is the norm, they instantly hate a casino for asking for KYC, I mean how the hell will the casino co-exist with this centralised messed up world? They will put them out of business with ease unless they follow the rules of this centralised world, asking for KYC is the new norm, people needs to grow up and accept this.

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I am not for or against KYC as well, whatever happens is fine for me, when using a new online casino I always have my national identity card next to me just in case, and most of the time they tend to ask only when you win high amount of money and thats hardly me, because I don't even use a good amount of money to gamble, my mental health is far important to me than anything.

I prefer reputation. There are many gambling sites that will allow you to withdraw up to certain amount of money without KYC and they have good reputation. Also they follow AML policies.

KYC also does not mean the gambling site is regulated. Even a fake gambling site can ask for KYC which can later be used against you.

Do not mind those that say decentralized gambling sites. The gambling sites that are existing that I know as oof now are web2 and Web3 which are both centralized gambling sites.

Every licensed casino will ask you to go through KYC eventually. Read their terms, and you will see that they can ask for you to verify your identity at any point. And none of those casino will advertise as No KYC casino. So if you don't want to go through KYC, you have to play on a non licensed casino. In that case, you will be playing on an illegal casino and in case you get scammed by them, there is nothing much you will be able to do. Another option are those decentralized casinos, but I don't know much about them.

No, there's no guarantee web 3 casinos will not ask KYC, check their terms.

I only know one, it's Dgbet.fun, when I check their terms, I didn't find they're asking personal information or KYC.

I think you know much about these casino vices even though you asked these as questions. Well, we have enough things playing out in the casino world and there are good, bad and ugly actors and happenings. I always go for the KYC casinos no matter what anyone would tell me because I love a regulated environment (weak or not). As for the supposed no-KYC casinos, a few are true to it while others merely deceive people, either way, I prefer decentralised casinos if it's going to be no-KYC. Those centralised ones might lure you into it with that guise but later ask for it. Others target some good players to ask for the KYC. And we've seen cases where the no-KYC casino, after achieving success in the industry asked all their customers to complete the KYC, citing regulation.

they are probably out there but with the increase and strict regulation being implemented towards online casinos nowadays a lot of casinos have now implemented KYC into their casino in some ways, some might be lax with it to attract more gamblers, and people are also probably confusing that with casinos with no KYC.

You have raised an important point that needs clarification. Some casinos usually use slogans like "No KYC" to attract gamblers. But they are well aware that the government wants them to comply with Anti-Money Laundering (AML) laws within operational jurisdiction. That is why gamblers must take time to read the ToS before registering. A reputable casino will not deceive its customers about not requiring KYC, rather the stages of KYC are well spelt out. If you are not comfortable with the terms, you can decide not to register.     

Casinos do take KYC more important when it comes to matters that involve money/funds. From what I've heard, nowadays the gambling industry has shifted into gaming plus gambling into one platform which is the Web 3 casino, and no doubt it's generating a lot for the gambling industry. With that being said, there shouldn't be any form of KYC requirement when it comes to Web 3 gambling.

MetaWin and 500 Casino are still no KYC casinos that are functioning right now and they are legit.

Yes, there are non-KYC casinos, but they are minority and don't have enough popularity to compete against the big platforms for the public. Most gamblers aren't concerned about giving their personal data to online websites, so the KYC factor isn't a decisive one when deciding where to gamble. I believe KYC was a sensible matter in the early years of crypto industry, when it had a restricted portion of adopters adept of privacy and anonymity on the internet, so the services available had to fulfill the demands of that public. As consequence, we had many unregulated casinos (probably I couldn't even call them casinos, but dice platforms instead).

Nowadays, crypto industry reached another segments of society, and for these new adopters, privacy plus anonymity aren't important aspects to worry about. Therefore, neither casinos will worry about avoiding to introduce KYC feature. Even more because regulators' siege around gambling and crypto industry are getting harder these days, so if you want to operate your business legitimaly, you have to follow regulations strictly.

People want to play for the non-kyc platform because they want to protect their information but how about the case if there's an issue with your account and you can't verify anything to claim that is your account at all, also the casino does not require a kyc yet if there's nothing wrong with your activity they just seek for the verification at least if they see something wrong with your account. Also you can use not your main email account to your gambling casino at all most of the time just level 1 is just the email address and phone number which is sometimes optional

that is the trick hehe,that other casino pretending to be kyc free but when need to withdraw? then there's the kyc implemented .

KУC casinos may not ask you for verification when you register and even when you deposit money into your game account, but when you withdraw your winnings, this may happen. This is why you need to read the user agreement to understand what you can expect. But even in those casinos that do not require verification, an automatic check may occur, the list of reasons, by the way, is also prescribed in the terms.

Some casinos are like that; they claim they won’t require KYC because they’re non-KYC casinos, but they still have the right to ask for KYC if they need to investigate an account. It’s absurd - they’re basically fooling us.

In the past, I’ve seen some decentralized casinos that were the real non-KYC options, but it seems like they’re not operating anymore from what I checked. That’s probably because regulations in this industry have become really strict. If they can’t comply with the requirements to operate legally, they’d rather shut down than deal with lawsuits that could be too costly for them.

When I've signed up for stake, it's actually a no kyc casino that I am happily using with my bets. But then, I know in fact that a day will come that they'll ask for some more verification and it did come. I think everyone is slowly accepting it that majority of the crypto casinos are starting from being a non-kyc casino and then sooner or later, because of some regulatory pressures, they'll have to ask their users to do it. Let's just take it that it's like a welcoming bonus when they're not yet asking for any verifications and welcome their users with no pressure about complying to KYC and verifications. But it's for sure that a time will come that they'll ask for it. Heard and seen about decentralized casinos long time ago but one problem there is the number of their players and sustainability is close to impossible.

If a casino initially advertises itself that it does not need to ask for your documents, then you should always understand that this is only marketing, which is designed to attract customers. Moreover, if you are set to play anonymously in such a casino, you can also assume that it is in such casinos that very strict statistics of your games will be kept. Naturally, as is the fact that all casinos have a note that you can be randomly asked to pass a KYC check, you can understand that this will not happen by chance. Who goes to a casino that does not have a priority document check? Most of those players have something to hide, and therefore you should not be surprised that there is a strict check there. In any case, we cannot check whether the documents are checked randomly or consistently.

KYC requirements have come to stay and if there's no sort of it's requirements in their TOS then you should think twice before using their sites to gamble. The reputable casinos that I know have KYC requirements so anyone that doesn't make requirements for it, even in the future should be critically examined whether it's a scam casino. Casinos have good reasons for KYC requirements, they have to adhere to regulations to curtail the use of their sites for money laundering by criminals. I'll feel better if a casino that I choose to use has requirements for KYC, it'll atleast show that they're not some random scam casino.

Yes there's really a no KYC casino in this forum, no KYC means the casino will not ask KYC in any condition and situation, it's not written in terms.

If the casino ask KYC because the gambler is abusing their casino or related to criminal and it's written in their terms, it's KYC casino, there's no way to call temporary no KYC casino as no KYC casino.

Nowadays, almost casino will ask you to do KYC to prevent something illegal in their business. But I think some casino have limitation for their members for not doing KYC. Let say casino have limitation not to break $2,000 for depositing or withdrawing so you must not break that limit not to do KYC. But that will depends on if the casino modify their rules which they can do that easily and that is already happens. You are playing gambling in one or two casinos so that means, you must find out about KYC on that casino and know their rules. The limitation from casino helps small gamblers to keep playing gambling without doing KYC but in the future, that can be changed following the regulations from the government.

In today's gambling world, it is either you stay unpopular and keep your no-kyc policy while running your online casino or swap popularity for the non-KYC which I believe will bring in loads of more income for the casino, gamblers will always gamble anyway, even if all available online casino is KYC compliant will it drive gamblers away? The answer is no, they will have to accept it.

Some casinos will ask for KYC if they smell something off or when you hit big money and you want to withdraw, and this shows that KYC verifications is already in place waiting to be used when necessary, there is still a thing about ToS till date, many gamblers still find it difficult to go through it because it looks like something that will take forever, but still it is far better to expect KYC requirements any time from any online casino.

This is an important clarification and it is good that this topic has appeared. Indeed, there is a lot of confusion in the KYC situation. There are many sly casinos that position themselves as "Web3" or "casinos without KYC", but in fact, this is to one degree or another deceiving users. I would say that casinos should stop deceiving users and stop positioning themselves as "casinos without KYC", because they are not. Most likely, they need to position themselves as "casinos with a soft KYC policy".
Only completely unregulated organizations can be such and it is possible that they are scammers.
It is funny that today there is even an exchange whose name contains the magic phrase "Non-KYC", but at the same time the exchange asks you to go through this procedure when you want to create sub-accounts.

That's true; I actually stumbled upon a website claiming to list KYC-free casinos, but in fact, all of those that I opened mentioned the KYC requirements in their TOS; some of them were quite known as well, such as BC.Game or BetPanda. I believe some blogs create the misconception that KYC-free casinos exist in order to attract more people to their website, which is basically providing false information. Although I'm positive that such casinos exist, you should weigh the fact that it's unlikely that they are licensed and regulated, meaning they could go extinct the very next day. 

When I registered on Stake, I was requested for KYC before I was able to deposit. But this is not common on most gambling sites. You will see many gamblers complaining that they have been losing after they registered and started gambling on an gambling site, but after they won some money and wanted to withdraw the money, that the gambling site asked them for verification. I do not know if this has changed on some gambling sites but it is very common that the gambling site will not ask for KYC during registration but if the gambler wants to withdraw, the gambling site will make it mandatory for the gambler to get verified.

Thats a perfect disguise in my opinion. Non kyc but in the event you won a huge pot for any games. Like example $20k or more they will now emphasize on the need of KYC to claim prize or prove you arent suspicious player etc.

The time of non kyc is over. Well some still uses the marketing free kyc and this is just a front marketing for you to use. But always take note in the end youll do it anyway.

Yes, that is the norm. There are also those that although they put an amount that supposedly triggers kyc in the ToS, they turn a blind eye to amounts above it. I guess the ToS is to cover themselves against anti-money laundering accusations. But as you say, it's normal that they don't ask you for documents until you've earned too much and want to withdraw it.

If an online casino doesn't require KYC, then it's the right thing to do not to assume thet don't really require it. I bet, most experienced gamblers already knew it, especially for those who have high bank rolls. Not only that they surprisingly require it if they detect something unusual to your account, but they normally do it when you have huge winnings.
Beginners may get confused with it.
Most casinos nowadays requires KYC as governments are constantly regulating them.

Non-KYC initially, more KYC when you win and try to withdraw. That's the normal gig.

A reputable online casino must implement the KYC rule when a gambler hits the taxation amount. They may let the small-time gamblers pass through without KYC yet but it's an accumulating process.
They will need that information if they want their business to keep on running because you will never know when something goes wrong. A gambler may suddenly lose his account and use it for money laundering so at least the real account owner could be contacted and prove the transaction. Sure, authenticators are very helpful but in this era, hackers and scammers are also getting wiser.

Gone are the days where we only our bitcoin address for withdrawal, regardless of how big the amount to withdraw. And we all know that gambling is one of the first use case of Bitcoin itself. And so when there are regulations by different world bodies, specially for AML, they will at some point in time will have to ask for personal identification.

So I would say that majority, specially new casinos that have been popping out like mushroom to ask for mandatory KYC. It's either gamblers accept that fact or just play in landbase casinos.

Most casinos ask for KYC in order for the gambler to deposit and withdraw.

It would be really good if there was a fully non KYC casino but I am guessing that most casinos even if they use crypto still require KYC due to regulatory requirements. Not to mention that this is also their way of avoiding any fraudulent activities from the gambler’s end. Without KYC also they won’t be able to verify if this person is of legal age and has enough money to gamble. I have seen some casinos where source of income is needed.

Though in the future I would hope to see a casino that would not need KYC upon registration and withdrawal.

to be honest with you mate that is the thing that makes me feel unsafe when it come providing KYC when gambling .especially if I'm looking for a new very promising casino because you have feeling that what if they took your personal information then use it to scam other people.? That's very unfair in my opinion that is why i always overthink when providing Kyc. so i wish there are some legitimate casino's that don't require such stuff for our data privacy coz we have rights not to share it for protection and to make sure our information is safe from those scammer .

Actually there are casinos that really do not require KYC but I personally never care about all that because so far the casinos I use do have their own terms and conditions for KYC if needed, as gambler shouldn't have to worry too much about KYC because the most important thing is that the place can guarantee security, comfort and also give us certain benefits when using it.
Moreover, there are also many casinos that state that they are non-KYC in any form but in the end in certain conditions it turns out to ask for KYC for requirement in large withdrawal, this is always my consideration and it is better to choose those who clearly enforce KYC than to feel cheated when KYC is requested one day.

If you do a quick Google search, you will see that there are dozens, maybe hundreds of results for casinos without KYC on the first pages of the search.

I opened some websites and, as you said, I checked the terms of use... in fact, there are no casinos without KYC.

Even if they are located in a very permissive country or with more lenient legislation, it is impossible for them not to be bound by compliance with some requirements, mainly the one against money laundering, so at some point they will all need to ask you for at least one identification document.

But casinos that do not need to do this will eventually ask you for some document just to make the withdrawal process more bureaucratic.

There is no casino without KYC nowadays.

Many casinos are often labeled as non-KYC, but in reality, it's more about the timing. Some sites won’t ask for verification up front, but they reserve the right to do so if they detect anything suspicious or if certain transaction thresholds are met. It’s like they keep it on standby, just in case. This setup probably gives a sense of freedom for casual players, but regular or high-stakes players may end up going through KYC checks anyway.

What they does is that they don't request for kyc on little amount but when the winning seems to be mind-blowing then it triggers them to request for additional very and information to prove source of funds, which I think it's very annoying for a casino to say no kyc and then later to request for kyc. The fact is that there may be some hidden terms to apply when they say no kyc, that's why is important to always note the terms apply "when they says such". But just have to be prepared because most at times they can be very funny.

I remember what Freebito.in's TheQuin mentioned about KYC. It doesn't actually matter whether a casino does or doesn't have KYC provisions in its terms and conditions, they will ask for personal information whenever they need to. I guess a duly registered casino cannot entirely discount KYC regardless of their claims. After all, they're bound to follow regulations. Their license is at stake.

Gamdom.com is one of the few casinos that have never mentioned KYC to me. They have a verification page, but I have never seen anyone complain they got asked for proof of funds, proof of address, proof of anything. Not saying they will never KYC anyone but for now I don't think they do.

There may or may not be anymore casinos out there that don't ask for KYC, but off the top of my head I cannot think of any. Most that do ask for KYC do not ask upon signing up.

Each casino certainly has its own TOS, but most casinos will ask for KYC verification if you indicate fraud on our account, and large withdrawals, and for KYC and non-KYC casinos there is no need to debate if you play honestly your account will be safe, no need to worry.

With off-chain casinos, it's impossible to find one that doesn't make use of KYC. Most casinos already transitioned to some form of KYC and those who haven't will make the switch at some point.

Others who continue to view certain casinos as non KYC probably overlooked that common KYC part from the casino's t&c.

Maybe those who mentioned it could be pre-existing casino users, I could imagine them taking it lightly since they got away with no KYC after signing up.

For any casino that has operational licence from the reputable recognized body can't be said to be a no kyc casino even if they don't necessarily demand for it on your registration with them, still that doesn't mean in the near future something wouldn't prompt it. You can be working with a license and claim to be a non-kyc, that's fraud and an act of deception on the part of your users.

This days I think only none licensed casino can be said to be operating as a non-kyc casino but owing to the risk involved in using such "dark" casinos you may wanna go for those that are licensed with kyced-requirement.

I think people just misinterpret that the inattentiveness from any casino on them yet about passing kyc to mean that the casino doesn't require it. But just win huge money or raise some suspicious financial behaviour, and see for yourself what their next line of action might be.

Generally speaking, KYC requirement is always an obligation from the activity licence issuer. And as user always look for the safe option, centralized casinos having licences are the best option.
It will always be better to deal with platforms that have an approved activity license than to use unknown platforms under the pretext of maintaining privacy. It is an illusion to think about privacy while using any central platform, especially since there are no alternative options. Furthermore, If any problems occur with the platform, the license can be withdrawn from it, and this is what any platform will avoid, and therefore it will avoid any problems with users in order to preserve its reputation.

I said "generally speaking" because we can discuss in another topic why/how authorities forces gambling companies to force KYC verification procedures to all active users. It's a delicate topic that may goes beyond what we are theorically talking about.

The number of no KYC casinos must have greatly reduced to the extent that their existence is no longer popular because if they are known, they must respond to AML regulations to operate that require casinos to prevent people from using their platforms for crimes. The decision for a casino to have KYC documentation from the beginning at registration in their platform or at the point of withdrawal is still a managerial decision. The reluctance to obtain KYC information from the beginning does not mean that the casino is not interested in it, like a non KYC casino, it can just be their way to attract new gamblers and keep them.

Huh, there are people who think that way? Pretty sure anything that asks for KYC at any point in time is a KYC casino no matter what. I guess if the information they ask varies then maybe, but as long as it touches anything that requires submission of valid documents then it's KYC.

In the first place non-KYC just means something like plug and play. Deposit money and start playing! Easy and simple. Withdrawing it can be another thing altogether though . Non-KYC casinos aren't really regulated or anything so trusting it would be something you just based on the casino itself and not any ruling body.

Yes... Look it up for yourself! Everything isn't necessarily a discussion. We've been talking about KYC verification, process, acceptance blablabla...in way too many topics.
There are instant casinos that don't require KYC or any sort of verification process, but how do you get identified by the casinos themselves? That's why there are called INSTANT CASINOS.

That being said, why should anyone see the need of depositing funds in a casino that isn't KYC-oriented? Do y'all know the dangers in doing that? First of all, these set of casinos aren't registered under any agencies hence, do not have any sort of license. That's more like playing mind games with your money, Unless you're just looking for ways to waste them.

Or maybe put it this way, there are no more casinos that are KYC free, every one of them are going to ask for KYC because it is already mandated by "regulatory" body. Maybe there could be threshold on some, but still, you are not in control here.

Maybe one day you will be asked to submit for reasons only known to this casino, i.e. maybe they suspect you that you are "cheating", or the source of your funds as per their fraud department as someone tainted. So there are a lot of reasons to suddenly required you to send them your personal information.

Any casino that said they can ask for KYC verification document is a KYC casino and not none KYC; anyone regarding it as NONKYC casino is just deceiving himself or herself.
 
I don't even think if there is any popular NONKYC casino that's active, even the web 3 casinos that come out with being non-kyc; most of them are already demanding KYC when necessary.

Are there really no KYC casinos? Or do people confuse casinos that don't make KYC mandatory upon sign as non KYC when in fact when you read their Terms of service, there is a section that mentions that they can randomly ask for identification if they smell rat? I also think that unless it is stated clearly that non-KYC, don't assume it is. I am not for or against KYC or non-KYC casinos, it is just a curious question that I want to be discussed and get the opinions of others.
Thank you.