Topic: Somebody in Washington is not happy (Read 2608 times)

Well, I reckon you don't ask permission to secede, you just go ahead and frickin' do it.

While this is encouraging, I could see it getting co-opted on a national level and going pfft like the occupy movement for example...

Well, I reckon you don't ask permission to secede, you just go ahead and frickin' do it.

Well, I reckon you don't ask permission to secede, you just go ahead and frickin' do it.

While this is encouraging, I could see it getting co-opted on a national level and going pfft like the occupy movement for example...

I believe it's called "The War of Northern Aggression" ;-)

Have you heard of a little thing called the Civil War? It paints a vivid picture of the Federal government's stance on state secession.

As bad as the fed can be, I would rather have it around than whatever takes its place. Not to mention what happens in the time inbetween.

I need to double check things but I'm pretty sure it's entirely within the power of states to do this.

Texas now has 75000 signatures.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0/

People have fought for independence before, I think it is pretty naive to think it won't happen again just because of the era we're in, all that's needed is for one of the states to call themselves a republic and then the federal government will throw a fit.

They can collect 50 million signatures -- if they attempt to secede in any practical way, anyone doing anything to support that end goal will no doubt be slaughtered like pigs.

That is the unfortunate reality.  Never bring a signature to a gunfight.  :-)

Texas now has 75000 signatures.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0/

As far as I'm aware, the Lakota Nation is ultimately subject to supervisory oversight by the United States Congress and executive regulation through the Bureau of Indian Affairs

Lakota Nation recently seceded.

I need to double check things but I'm pretty sure it's entirely within the power of states to do this.

I signed it. 
It would be interesting to see one small part of the US as a separate country.

The problem is whether you're talking about conservatism or 'neo-conservatism' as I'm sure Americans who actually look at politics will know the stupid and crazy evangelicals have hijacked much of the conservative movement.

More specifically, Sean R in Washington is not happy.

Honestly, I think it'd be best if the US split into two - those with liberal values can have one half, those with conservative values can have the other.  Strictly speaking economical values here.  But it'd be an awesome experiment at any rate.

Rome will fall.


I seriously hope they manage this, I need to double check things but I'm pretty sure it's entirely within the power of states to do this.

Rome will fall.


I seriously hope they manage this, I need to double check things but I'm pretty sure it's entirely within the power of states to do this.

So, If the results of the laboratory experiment aren’t painfully obvious, let’s shake the beakers. Face it, the ideological differences between liberals and conservatives are irreconcilable, and it’s unconscionable to subject one to the bad ideas of the other against their will. Public debate is getting us nowhere because both sides are buried in their own propaganda. We need to actually see the tangible results of unfettered liberalism and unfettered conservatism. So, next presidential election, let both candidates win. Let Romney run the red states and Obama run the blue states. Split the congress. And if Ron Paul wins any states, let him run them too. There’s more than enough “representatives” to go around. Let the liberals try to create their socialist welfare utopia without the republican dime and see what happens. Let the republicans build their corporatist warfare empire without the democrat dime and see where it gets them.

Oh, but I think we can do better. Let’s let all the secessionists have their states too. Let the Libertarians run an Independent Alaska. Let the Green Party run the Vermont Republic. The Lone Star State never really wanted to be part of the Union anyway. But let’s get really crazy. Give Hawaii their Kingdom back. Let the Lokota Nation have their independence. Let the Black Panthers have a piece of Louisiana for their Republic of New Afrika. Don’t forget the Conch Republic in Key West. And while we’re at it, let’s let the Voluntaryists have New Hampshire. After all, what’s an experiment without a control group?

What’s the worst that could happen? After four years, we’ll take score. See how everyone did. Then we’ll know. We can finally stop arguing hypotheticals and theory and start working with some real observable consequences.

And the problem with that idea is that you can't give either group the eastern half, because the north and the south are too different.  And you can't split it latitudinally, for economic reasons.

Honestly, I think it'd be best if the US split into two - those with liberal values can have one half, those with conservative values can have the other.

Geography by false dichotomy, would be... interesting.

More specifically, Sean R in Washington is not happy.

Honestly, I think it'd be best if the US split into two - those with liberal values can have one half, those with conservative values can have the other.  Strictly speaking economical values here.  But it'd be an awesome experiment at any rate.