Sonny Vleisides Manipulating his Webspawner Site for Nefarious Purposes

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Yesterday, I must have put the following in a wrong thread. It was meant to be in this one. It was a self-moderated thread, thus being deleted. I have no idea which thread I mistakenly put it in. I offer up an apology for doing such. It truly was penned solely for this thread.
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The day Sonny got served: http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/98501-www-goliathsports-com-anybody-knows.html#post823964

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WorldWager com Tech,

TWICE in this thread you refer to Goliath as "theives" and "scammers".

And you might be right.

But what about your own shop? When I click on
www.olympicsports book.com, wouldn't I think I am going to Olympic?

When I click on
www.millenniumsportsbook.com, wouldn't I think I am going to Millennium?

You, sir are a thief.

You are stealing Olympic's and Millennium's customers, by tricking them into going into your book, when they think they are going to Oly or Millennium........

Clean up your own house first, they whine about "scammer" Goliath.

Goliath = GoliathSports = Just another company Sonny owns.

See how he plays the game?

Remember remember the 5th of November

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Wow...America has no privacy, if you can find info on people before ~2009, let alone in pre-2000, somebody has made a mistake.

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xcdra7Q3d9sJ:www.sportsbookreview.com/worldwager/news/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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01/20/2005   06:40 PM CST
WorldWager downgraded from F to F-
05/13/2004   11:48 AM CST
WorldWager WorldWager.Com lowered from F+ to F
09/19/2003   12:00 AM CST
WorldWager - Downgraded from the Black List to the RUN! List - SBR rating lowered from F+ to F-
08/30/2002   09:47 AM CST
WorldWager - Downgraded to the Black List - We have received and verified multiple slow pay complaints

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Sportsbook news results for the search term: worldwager
Scam sportsbook WorldWager (SBR rating F-) off-line for good?30.07.2007
Scam sportsbook WorldWager (SBR rating F-) off-line for good?
The sportsbook's website wordwager.com was parked last week. SBR has received many complaints of fraudulent activity from World Wager players over the past four years including deleted winning bets, creating new rules to void winnings, and simply refusing to pay part or all of player withdrawals. WorldWager solidified its scam status in 2004 when SBR questioned the book about deleting months of betting history and lowering account balances. WorldWager's owner responded:

"If the lines posted by worldwager.com are off by more than 1.5 points on any point spread sport or posted incorrectly (reversed), management is entitled to delete any wagers placed on the wrong lines. In any money line sport, if the lines are off by more than 20 cents, management is entitled to delete any wagers placed on the wrong lines."

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07-26-2003, 12:49 PM
A sample of their OWN forums - they have people waiting for dime payouts SINCE March (scary shit here)

More shit BFLers have to look forward to when they go bye-bye.

By the way, I'm still waiting for Sonny's lawyer to sue me. It's an open invite. Why? I want them (BLF, et al.) to sue me.

Sonny Vleisides is nothing but a crock and will probably run away with millions of dollars worth of bitcoins once his probation is up.

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http://ca.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20100915_0004129.CCA.htm/qx

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The defendant shall not transfer, sell, give away, or otherwise convey any asset with a fair market value in excess of $500 without approval of the Probation Officer until all financial obligations imposed by the Court have been satisfied in full.

Seeing that Sonny Vleisides is a main principal at BF Labs Ins., did he get approval to transfer 1000 BTC to be donated to charity?

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The defendant shall maintain one personal checking account. All of defendant's income, "monetary gains," or other pecuniary proceeds shall be deposited into this account, which shall be used for payment of all personal expenses. Records of all other bank accounts, including any business accounts, shall be disclosed to the Probation Officer upon request.

Any probation officer worth their salt should be able to recognize alarm bells if too much money, which includes bitcoins, finds its way to his personal bank account from BFL.

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14. as directed by the probation officer, the defendant shall notify third parties of risks that may be occasioned by the defendant's criminal record or personal history or characteristics, and shall permit the probation officer to make such notifications and to conform the defendant's compliance with such notification requirement;

This one is my favorite if I read it correctly.

Does this mean that Sonny Vleisides should have declared his past from the onset of introducing BFL to this community without us having to coerce it from him? This puts the Sonny K. issue into a whole new perspective.

Now, for the real reason why I hunted down this link.

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United States v. Vleisides

United States District Court Central District of California

September 15, 2010

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
v.
SONNY VLEISIDES SOCIAL SECURITY NO. 6 5 7 4 (LAST 4 DIGITS)

Sonny Vleisides was released on September 15, 2010, as shown above (not really shown, but follow the link to see that the statement is true).

Let's see what happened three days later, shall we?

http://www.bangthebook.com/picks/goliathsports/?h=1

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Username:goliathsports Joined:08/18/2010

Bullishbet=GoliathSports=WorldWager

In the thread above, Sonny a.k.a. Glock, et al., claims that GS stole WW's template and that they are not the same entities. Shortly thereafter, WW shut down.

My contention is that Sonny, fresh outta prison, couldn't reopen WorldWager because his name was directly attached to it, but that's not the case with GoliathSports.

I'm sure any probation officer worth their salt should look into this. Are you reading this Sonny's probation officer? Thought so.

Quick aside: Sonny and I have the same exact last four digits, in exact order, in both our SSNs.

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http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/94155-good-software.html#post767383

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I hate to sound like a shill, really, it's not my intention, but I do feel very strongly about this topic, so I will throw in my 2 cents.

When I evaluated all of the online books on the market (over 2 years ago), I found most of them to be utter crap when it came to user interface.
They were non-intuitive, and very confusing if you weren't a hard core player, and even if you knew what you were doing.

When I was approached to become the lead architect for a new sportsbook product I opted to start from scratch and leave behind what everyone else had done. The product that emerged (v1.0) was so simple that anyone from a 12 year old child to a 65 year old woman could place a bet in seconds without knowing anything about sports gaming. (and yes, our user interface panel groups included 12-65 year olds)
However, we still wanted to appeal to the hard core players and allow the flexibility and advanced bet types that they require. I think that my team has been the first to do both.

You can see what I'm talking about with the current version (v1.2) that is available now at www.WorldWager.com however, we are staging the release of version 2.0 in a few weeks. (Let us know if you want in on the beta test)
I'll let you all in on a big secret: WorldWager 2.0 kicks the asses of any online book on the market, HANDS DOWN! It has every bet type imaginable, including some cool new bet types that you've never heard of because we invented them.
In addition to that, we also have full matchup, team, and individual player stats analysis built into the interface to help in your decision making. Want to know how many times the Steelers beat the spread, on the road, while it was snowing? You can query things just like that in unlimited combinations to your heart's content.
You can watch play-by-play action on your current bets live. You can interact with other players with LiveChat, or in the forums. You can compete for cash, prizes, and reputation in pick challenges and cumulative rankings.
Have you ever made a bet, then wished you didn't once the game started? Well, you can put your bets up for sale in our open market and someone can take it off your hands. Or, buy a bet from some unconfident player that doesn't know their team will come on strong in the last quarter.

These are just some of the groundbreaking and industry shaping (I hope) things you will find at WorldWager.com. BTW, you don't need an account to start configuring your wagers, but we are currently running new customer promotions (free money, no deposit).
Please don't hesitate to contact me directly if you have any suggestions for our product, or for the new customer promo links.

-Sebastian Glock

P.S. Any books that want to license our product to offer their own customers, please visit: www.SportsbookSolutions.com
I guarantee it won't blow up when you grade games with 5+ million customers, like your current software does.

I've seen Sonny Vleisides use that Glock (only Glock) sig elsewhere, but at the moment it eludes me. I want to say it was on one of his webspawner pages depicting a Butterfly Labs ad.

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http://www.peepsplace.com/showthread.php?p=4924

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Re: World Wager, STAY AWAY
Not shocking to see their site down again, I couldn't get the link to work..

These worldwager guys are a bunch of wannabe Ponzis. You could check out their "investor relations charts" sometime on their site. Nothing but a bright sunny day ahead for anyone dumb enough to send them money (at any level).
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I think I'll just do that: http://web.archive.org/web/20020527031137/http://wwweb4.worldwager.com/

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Just to show that I'm not blowing smoke up anybody ass:

http://ohuiginn.net/panama/person/SONNY%20VLEISIDES

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SONNY VLEISIDES

Director

SPORTSBOOK SOLUTIONS, INC.
WORLDWAGER.COM, INC.
Subscriber

Agent

http://ohuiginn.net/panama/company/id/380971

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WORLDWAGER.COM, INC.

Directors

SONNY VLEISIDES (google)
MIKHAIL LARGIN (google)
ALAIN VIA#A HIERRO (google)
Subscribers

VILMA ALICIA MORALES
INES DE BARES
Agent

RIVERA, BOLIVAR Y CASTA#EDAS
Date Registered

2000-06-12

To find complete details, consult the official registry. Search for 380971 as "Numero de Ficha"

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http://www.everyedge.com/vb/showthread.php?92969-Sonny-or-Doug-re-WorldWager

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Hey Guys,

I'm wondering if anyone has had problems with WorldWager. I got a friend who has 23,000US with them and they have accused him of violating the rules. They have told him that the 23,000 now belongs to them.
They have a rule about betting on line movements. But, the rule is vague and open-ended. My friend, like anyone else shops for lines. WorldWager has been notoriously slow with their line movements; thereby, exposing themselves.
They gave him one warning and then began an investigation about his past bets. They concluded that they had the right to void all his bets that apparently violated their rules. This being the case, they concluded that the remaining balance in his account was theirs.
They attempted to placate my friend by saying they will sent him 3800 dollars, and will comp him 4000 dollars into his account. They limited his bets to 200 dollars and said he has to turn over the 4000 five times.
But this is obviously not satisfactory. Any suggestions? Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
My friend is willing to compromise a bit, but their offer is woefully inadequate.
I've been to the Sportsbook Rating site (SBR), they gave WorldWager an F, and there was another individual that had similar problems.
Thank you for any attention you may give to this post.

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Let's see what else Sonny Vleisides is capable of, shall we?

http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/101179-worldwager-trouble-again.html

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According to Raj Vishnu,

Cable television sports network ESPN has succeeded in shutting down a sports betting Web site called ESPN Bets.
Sort of.

ESPN Bets used the Web address www.espnbets.com and operated from Costa Rica for more than a year, until the TV network found out about it recently and took legal action to quash it.

The site went down several days ago.

But only at www.espnbets.com.

A visit to www.espnwagers.com still takes you to the ESPN Bets site.

What's more, now there are new problems for TV network ESPN, which is highly protective of its name, image and trademark and has previously gone after offshore sports betting operations that poached the ESPN moniker.

The Web address www.espnbet.com takes visitors to an online sportsbook called World Wager, whose main URL is www.worldwager.com.

Visitors to www.espnwager.com also end up at World Wager!!!

Don't expect any of these sites to remain around for long, though---when ESPN finds out, their lawyers will be all over the name-hijackers like flies on garbage.....

As for World Wager, obviously a sportsbook that attempts to divert potential customers to its site by illegally using someone else's trademarked name is a sleazy and dishonest book that should be avoided at all costs!!!

But that's not the main problem.

The World Wager Web site displays a long list of rules that it says the sportsbook operates under.

But buried in the middle of the laundry list of World Wager regulations concerning bets, payoffs and other matters is this little gem: "Management reserves the right to change or omit all rules, regulations, and payoff policies provided herein as warranted."

In other words, here are the rules but we don't have to follow them.

Or more succintly: There really are no rules.

Now that's something ESPN's lawyers should do something about.....

Bettorsworld can't be responsible for the actions of sportsbooks that don't advertise on this site, but we still might be able to help you out.

If you've been slow paid, no paid, stiffed, robbed, screwed or otherwise ripped off by an online or telephone sportsbook or an online casino, this column might be able to help you recover your monies.

We also might be able to assist you if you've been ripped off by a scamdicapper---a dishonest sports handicapper or tout.

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This should keep me busy for a little while:

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[email protected]

Anybody wantta lend a hand?

Edit: This is odd: rex links me to this http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A10BOOXDINYOWK/ref=cm_pdp_rev_more?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview#R9MTPXZFSMVJY

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Let's pretend for a sec that http://www.webspawner.com/users/gino is not Sonny Vleisides, but Sonny did change the content of copyright material. Is there a law against that?

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http://web.archive.org/web/20030202172903/http://www.sportsbooksolutions.com/Money.asp

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Money Processing Solutions
Handling customers' money in and out of the business is often the bookmaker's biggest headache. Sportsbook Solutions offers seamless plug-in modules to take care of your banking problems. Now you can easily accept over 6 major credit cards, and customers can request funds to be transferred via bank wires, Western Union, Checks by mail, E-gold, and the world's first truly-anonymous Internet bank.

http://web.archive.org/web/20000301124449/http://zolatimes.com/V3.44/dmt1.html

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This article describes an Internet-based anonymous banking project, known as The Digital Monetary Trust, Ltd. The Digital Monetary Trust (hereafter: DMT) is a proposed financial trust (which may be optionally viewed as a mutual fund, or a money market fund) all of whose assets will be invested in cash, commodities (such as gold), and high-quality (low credit-risk) securities denominated in various national currencies. DMT is a Laissez Faire City corporation.

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hi-my-name-is-sonny-vleisides-110868

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I started webspawner.com in 1995. It was my focus for many years. Do a search for 'free webpages' on google. I'm currently president of that company, not BFL.

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We operated services as Sportsbook Solutions and the SportsPulse platform. It was a lucrative and fun time. I saw it as a libertarian adventure in challenging the authorities of the world while earning a good living.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030213010719/http://www.sportsbooksolutions.com/

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To see an example of our sportsbook system, please visit our currently featured licensee: www.WorldWager.com

Remember that final quote as I present my case.

Out of all the iterations of http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.webspawner.com/users/gino, Sonny opted to go with the following one.

http://www.webspawner.com/users/gino

http://web.archive.org/web/20000820021601/http://www.webspawner.com/users/gino/

http://web.archive.org/web/19981205211508/http://www.webspawner.com/users/gino/

Note the original copyright and Gino's email (missing). The only person who would have changed it was Gino (a.k.a. Sonny Vleisides). Note the link Internet Sports Wagering - Coming Soon. When you visit the link above and click on that link, it directs to worldwager.com.

Here's that link again: http://web.archive.org/web/20030213010719/http://www.sportsbooksolutions.com/

Here's the same quote from that page from above:

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To see an example of our sportsbook system, please visit our currently featured licensee: www.WorldWager.com

Note the email address [email protected] and copyright. lfcity.com was not some email provider. The only people who had access to emails there were those allowed by the admin, namely Sonny Vleisides.

Note the link to The Fee Irish Sweepstakes, of which we all know was operated by Sonny Vleisides.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990219103845/http://www.irishgreat8.com/

Search yourself for worldwager.com and see all those scammed by Sonny: https://www.google.com/search?q=Dan+Mitchell&oq=Dan+Mitchell&aqs=chrome.0.69i57j69i64&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22worldwager%2Ccom%22+scam&oq=%22worldwager%2Ccom%22+scam&gs_l=serp.3...3502.3502.2.3812.1.1.0.0.0.0.103.103.0j1.1.0...0.0.0..1c.1.17.serp.FZHUbsaDC6c&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=746bd702df9010f1&biw=1066&bih=646

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=203749

ForumOffshore TalkOFFSHORE FORUM - Online Sportsbetting Worldwager stole me 6.500 $

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I opened an account with them and I deposited about 5.000 $. I placed about 50 bets and I withdrew about 4.000 $. When I asked for a withdrawal of 2.000 $ they closed my account accusing me to have 3 different accounts with them. They said that I placed several same bets on 3 different accounts.

They haven’t accepted to discuss with me and so I asked the help of Patrick Mcirish but unfortunately they didn’t want to discuss neither with him.

So stay away from them!!!!!!!

I would like to thank Patrick for his kind help with worldwager and for his past help with Betcbs.

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09-01-2003, 08:28 AM
Hoeg,
BS - they say they are in london, but I don't think so. My money says they're in CR with their servers.

Dan Mitchell is a joke. He thinks 8 week + payouts are the norm. He's a phucking joke.

Do you fuckin' honestly believe that Sonny Vleisides who used to rip off poor little old ladies and dudes betting on sports is going to NOT rip off geeks?

I am going on record, right here, right now, and state that Sonny Vleisides is nothing but a crock. If this statement it not true, then I expect a letter from his attorney, suing me for libel.

If I don't get such a letter, then the statement is true. We'll call it BetsO'Bruno.

In essence, I'm formally inviting BFL, et al. to sue me.

Bring it on! Bring it on!

I further contend that the above practices are ongoing, pertaining to not only Bitcoin related entities.

There are 100's, if not thousands of sites on webspawner.com that link to lottery and gaming systems that Sonny Vleisides and his cohorts control.

For those who don't try to get out while the getting out is good, you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves. Warning signs have been posting ever since Sonny Vleisides was named as a principal at BFL.

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