China is investing a lot of money in Africa.
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Topic: South Africa, Communsim, and China (Read 320 times)
China is nowhere near being communist. They aren't even very socialist. Land ownership is the only thing remotely socialist in China....
Those are features of moving away from your ideal.
China is nowhere near being communist. They aren't even very socialist. Land ownership is the only thing remotely socialist in China.
Rojava is the closest thing I've seen to communism.
Rojava is the closest thing I've seen to communism.
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There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.....
There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.....
Yet one more argument laced with misunderstanding about "democratic socialism."
But leaving that aside, let's look at the "nothing in common" assertion.
Mutual interests are what they have in common, right?
Ah yeah sorry.
Nothing in common was too broad and carefree. Anyway they have at least the hate of capitalism in common.
A few but most don't have any such hatred.
The average Chinese family is very materialistic, and they expect to earn and pay for cars and televisions, not have any socialist utopia give them to them.
The average South African man thinks he's rich if he has four wives in four huts on a piece of muddy dirt and one cow.
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There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.....
There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.....
Yet one more argument laced with misunderstanding about "democratic socialism."
But leaving that aside, let's look at the "nothing in common" assertion.
Mutual interests are what they have in common, right?
Ah yeah sorry.
Nothing in common was too broad and carefree. Anyway they have at least the hate of capitalism in common.
China is as communist as South African Blacks are Japanese. LOL.
China is 6th in the world in number of millionares and second in the number of billionares. Nothing communist about that.
The Politburo is run by capitalist billionares.
https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-with-most-millionaires-2017-4#6-china-13
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_billionaires
In South Africa, Chinese are after resources. Nothing to do with politics.
South African Blacks are too stupid to understand the communist ideology (just like you) and they think they will get stuff for free and the system will magically provide for them, their children and grandchildren.
They are driven by the hatered of whites and are looking for something new. And there comes communism.
This will lead to disaster. The infrastructure will collapse, the crime will skyrocket. Capital will leave the country. Their credit rating will collapse.
South Africa will be on the chopping block sooner rather than later.
I assume what you mean to say was that China is not what Communism claims its goals are openly. However in reality it is exactly what Communism was created for to begin with, enriching and empowering an elite class of bankers. Marx was a big fan Hegel and the Hegelian dialectic, and it shows in the ideologies stemming from his work as they show a self contradictory concept by nature, almost exclusively.
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There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.....
There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.....
Yet one more argument laced with misunderstanding about "democratic socialism."
But leaving that aside, let's look at the "nothing in common" assertion.
Mutual interests are what they have in common, right?
Ah yeah sorry.
Nothing in common was too broad and carefree. Anyway they have at least the hate of capitalism in common.
China is as communist as South African Blacks are Japanese. LOL.
China is 6th in the world in number of millionares and second in the number of billionares. Nothing communist about that.
The Politburo is run by capitalist billionares.
https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-with-most-millionaires-2017-4#6-china-13
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_billionaires
In South Africa, Chinese are after resources. Nothing to do with politics.
South African Blacks are too stupid to understand the communist ideology (just like you) and they think they will get stuff for free and the system will magically provide for them, their children and grandchildren.
They are driven by the hatered of whites and are looking for something new. And there comes communism.
This will lead to disaster. The infrastructure will collapse, the crime will skyrocket. Capital will leave the country. Their credit rating will collapse.
South Africa will be on the chopping block sooner rather than later.
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There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.....
There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.....
Yet one more argument laced with misunderstanding about "democratic socialism."
But leaving that aside, let's look at the "nothing in common" assertion.
Mutual interests are what they have in common, right?
Ah yeah sorry.
Nothing in common was too broad and carefree. Anyway they have at least the hate of capitalism in common.
No, it's more like gangsters driving in the brand car they were given, eg, Communism, and praising it. Really they are gangster capitalists.
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China is not one thing, but many.
The theft of land from the whites by the new Marxist government, I have read that this was stopped by a letter or two from Trump.
China would back a local government which assisted their long term goals of acquiring mineral rights and such. But that doesn't make China complicit in the stealing.
No, it's more like gangsters driving in the brand car they were given, eg, Communism, and praising it. Really they are gangster capitalists.
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...They absolutely do push Communism, they are just more covert about it now days.
If you want to do an economic breakdown of how absolutely Communist China is I would be glad to, but I think you and I both really know they are.
If you want to do an economic breakdown of how absolutely Communist China is I would be glad to, but I think you and I both really know they are.
No, it's more like gangsters driving in the brand car they were given, eg, Communism, and praising it. Really they are gangster capitalists.
There may be a few left of the True Believers in communism, but I have not personally met any. ANY.
It seems that I need to correct some of your views.
Don't you dare correct anything of what the great lord Techshare says, he can't be wrong you should know it
Some of you may have been following the events in South Africa....
Actually I doubt if anyone on this forum has any familiarity with the S. African events.
One addition, the Chinese are not pushing communism. They are on a campaign to acquire raw materials sources. Mines, oil, etc.
They are happy to outright buy these where possible; in other cases, anything goes. For example imperialist aggression. Yes it can include backing local communist initiatives. It's worldwide, heavy in Australia also.
But the local SA push to steal the land from the whites wasn't a Chinese initiative, not at all.
There is nothing in common between SA government and Chinese communism. ANC is part of the socialism international which goal is to implement democratic socialism, not communism.
I mean the current SA president is a businessman, so much for communism --'
I'd say Chinese are just seeing an opportunity in a struggling country. SA just ended appartheid 25 years ago, it's a relatively extremely new and fragile country and Chinese are just taking the train...
USA destabilizes countries and invade them to place dictators, China buys everyone and everything. Two imperialist power with different action pattern, don't know what is worse ^^
It seems that I need to correct some of your views.
Your impression of China seems to stay in the era of Chairman Mao. At that time, China was really keen to export their communism in countries around the world.
But since the 21st century, China has abandoned this backward and unpopular practice. They are now more interested in resources and get the resources they need by building their factories in other countries (usually Africa and Southeast Asia).
Do you think China really believes in communism? This is just their coat. China has no intention of supporting the Communist Party of any other country except North Korea because they think it will waste their time and money, and will suffer international opposition, and they now pay more attention to international trade to make a profit, after all, money is what they really want, not communism.
Your impression of China seems to stay in the era of Chairman Mao. At that time, China was really keen to export their communism in countries around the world.
But since the 21st century, China has abandoned this backward and unpopular practice. They are now more interested in resources and get the resources they need by building their factories in other countries (usually Africa and Southeast Asia).
Do you think China really believes in communism? This is just their coat. China has no intention of supporting the Communist Party of any other country except North Korea because they think it will waste their time and money, and will suffer international opposition, and they now pay more attention to international trade to make a profit, after all, money is what they really want, not communism.
They ABSOLUTELY do believe in Communism, and my impression of China is accurate. Xi even sees himself as a new version of Mao, creating his own school of thought to enshrine himself with the "great leader". China's current form of colonialism is by using fraud to create "dark money" then exporting that money internationally to buy up vital resources, ports, and real estate that make the local populations dependent on them.
I never claimed China was wholesale exporting Communism, but they are doing quite a fine job of indoctrinating the youth here in the US by maintaining huge influence in the academic systems here. The idea of Communism being a good thing is suddenly popular again, I am sure this is just a coincidence right? They absolutely do push Communism, they are just more covert about it now days.
If you want to do an economic breakdown of how absolutely Communist China is I would be glad to, but I think you and I both really know they are.
It seems that I need to correct some of your views.
Your impression of China seems to stay in the era of Chairman Mao. At that time, China was really keen to export their communism in countries around the world.
But since the 21st century, China has abandoned this backward and unpopular practice. They are now more interested in resources and get the resources they need by building their factories in other countries (usually Africa and Southeast Asia).
Do you think China really believes in communism? This is just their coat. China has no intention of supporting the Communist Party of any other country except North Korea because they think it will waste their time and money, and will suffer international opposition, and they now pay more attention to international trade to make a profit, after all, money is what they really want, not communism.
Your impression of China seems to stay in the era of Chairman Mao. At that time, China was really keen to export their communism in countries around the world.
But since the 21st century, China has abandoned this backward and unpopular practice. They are now more interested in resources and get the resources they need by building their factories in other countries (usually Africa and Southeast Asia).
Do you think China really believes in communism? This is just their coat. China has no intention of supporting the Communist Party of any other country except North Korea because they think it will waste their time and money, and will suffer international opposition, and they now pay more attention to international trade to make a profit, after all, money is what they really want, not communism.
Some of you may have been following the events in South Africa....
Actually I doubt if anyone on this forum has any familiarity with the S. African events.
One addition, the Chinese are not pushing communism. They are on a campaign to acquire raw materials sources. Mines, oil, etc.
They are happy to outright buy these where possible; in other cases, anything goes. For example imperialist aggression. Yes it can include backing local communist initiatives. It's worldwide, heavy in Australia also.
But the local SA push to steal the land from the whites wasn't a Chinese initiative, not at all.
The subject has been discussed before, albeit shortly. If I remember correctly there were plenty of denials and accusations of conspiracy theory. Well it is a fact now.
Considering that Communism was created by bankers as an efficient means of taking control of a nation and stripping it of resources, and systematically creating a perpetual system of dependence of the population, I would argue they are in fact pushing Communism.
I think you have been reading too many coins4commies comments, his bullshit is starting to leak into your brain via operant conditioning xD After all what makes the resources cheaper to extract than breaking the economy, throwing everyone into poverty forcing them to work for meager wages, with no independent infrastructure with which to educate and rise up from this servitude?
The theft of land from whites does not need to be a Chinese initiative in order for them to advocate for it, help cause it to happen, and take full advantage of the resulting situation.
Some of you may have been following the events in South Africa....
Actually I doubt if anyone on this forum has any familiarity with the S. African events.
One addition, the Chinese are not pushing communism. They are on a campaign to acquire raw materials sources. Mines, oil, etc.
They are happy to outright buy these where possible; in other cases, anything goes. For example imperialist aggression. Yes it can include backing local communist initiatives. It's worldwide, heavy in Australia also.
But the local SA push to steal the land from the whites wasn't a Chinese initiative, not at all.
Some of you may have been following the events in South Africa as the Communist party there takes control and begins the race based theft of land supposedly justified by past "colonialism" generations ago. I find South Africa to be a perfect microcosm of the destruction that Communism brings anywhere it goes, even in our modern age.
One angle of this situation you may not be aware of is that China is itself very involved in this situation, and is set to be the direct beneficiary of this ideological push. Most of the citizens of South Africa that would get land entitlements would not be working the land, as history shows the vast majority of that land is sold for cash. Of course China is right there to buy up all that prime real estate that would otherwise not be on the market unless it were for the state intervention.
Again this is a perfect example of how Communism operates. They come in and infiltrate organizations and change policy to fit Communist goals. They use minority groups and victim classes as human shields to cover for what would otherwise be inexcusable policies. Since these actions are taken in the context of "helping" some "victim", people are then more tolerant of the victimization of others in order for this to happen because they perceive it as righting some wrong.
Not only was there no wrong to be righted here, but the local population will be driven into poverty and starvation. Zimbabwe is a perfect example of what this will result in. Now instead of living with true legal equality to whites, they will trade in their white brothers for Chinese masters. The Chinese don't have the same taboos about racism as the West does either, so they will have no qualms subjugating the local population and colonizing their asses back into mud huts.
An interesting related video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q340jE0pBC0
One angle of this situation you may not be aware of is that China is itself very involved in this situation, and is set to be the direct beneficiary of this ideological push. Most of the citizens of South Africa that would get land entitlements would not be working the land, as history shows the vast majority of that land is sold for cash. Of course China is right there to buy up all that prime real estate that would otherwise not be on the market unless it were for the state intervention.
Again this is a perfect example of how Communism operates. They come in and infiltrate organizations and change policy to fit Communist goals. They use minority groups and victim classes as human shields to cover for what would otherwise be inexcusable policies. Since these actions are taken in the context of "helping" some "victim", people are then more tolerant of the victimization of others in order for this to happen because they perceive it as righting some wrong.
Not only was there no wrong to be righted here, but the local population will be driven into poverty and starvation. Zimbabwe is a perfect example of what this will result in. Now instead of living with true legal equality to whites, they will trade in their white brothers for Chinese masters. The Chinese don't have the same taboos about racism as the West does either, so they will have no qualms subjugating the local population and colonizing their asses back into mud huts.
An interesting related video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q340jE0pBC0
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