Topic: Spain calls for co-sovereignty on Gibraltar (Read 1816 times)

Quote from: countryfree on June 26, 2016, 06:35:01 AM

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

How about this? Britain will cede Gibraltar when Spain ceded control of the Catalans. looks that sounds fair, so this will be the beginning of world war III.

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A 96% majority in Gibraltar to remain in the EU isn't something which can be ignored. I can't think of a similar majority in any other election or referendum. Spain wants to make it like Andorra, but I guess Gibraltar should become independent.

Thank you for being the first intelligent comment here. Of course a middle arrangement like Gibraltar becoming independant seems like a much better solution than the nuclear war the old-thattcher-lover is asking for.

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Quote from: Fortify on June 26, 2016, 06:13:28 AM

Quote from: mOgliE on June 26, 2016, 05:50:00 AM

No difference to the British? Damn I thought British had better military advisor than that xD

The point being made, which is obviously too much for your brain to handle, is that it doesn't matter whether you fight one person or a hundred, if what you are fighting for is what is right. There is never going to be a fight so all this talk is meaningless.

The point being made which you all seem to ignore is that I'm not the one suggesting the use of nukes and the start of a war but merely explaining such conflict wouldn't be an easy fight for UK and that UK would certainly lose ><

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Most of the European states and people are on monetary life support and still are fomenting and dream of making their failed states bigger failure... It's beyond me.

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Are british people democrats?
A 96% majority in Gibraltar to remain in the EU isn't something which can be ignored. I can't think of a similar majority in any other election or referendum. Spain wants to make it like Andorra, but I guess Gibraltar should become independent.

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 26, 2016, 05:50:00 AM

No difference to the British? Damn I thought British had better military advisor than that xD

The point being made, which is obviously too much for your brain to handle, is that it doesn't matter whether you fight one person or a hundred, if what you are fighting for is what is right. There is never going to be a fight so all this talk is meaningless.

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 26, 2016, 05:47:01 AM

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 06:27:50 AM

Quote from: Fortify on June 26, 2016, 05:22:00 AM

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

Why wouldn't they do that? Gibraltar is nothing but a mere English colony. And now that England is no longer in EU Spain is stronger.

Pax Americana.

America can't say anything at what's happening in EU. France has 7 nuclear submarines with 150 nukes on them. It makes it impossible for USA to interfere in European business in a military way.

It's very saddening to read you. Are you a member of the French sovereignist? What I was trying to say to you is that all those Europeans are living in peace because of Pax Americana and that is what is keeping in check this latent dangerous force still present in Europe.

Let people be. Let people live. Let people love.

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Quote from: Masha Sha on June 26, 2016, 05:34:35 AM

Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

You are always implying that the UK would be the aggressor here when Spain is trying to steal land. Gibraltor has been under British rule for a long time and have actively warned off Spanish attempts to interfere. The Spanish are in no position to talk - they refuse to cede territory back to Morocco which defies their "territorial integrity" angle that they are so fond of using. Spain vs UK, EU vs UK.. makes no difference to the British but it's never going to happen. If you really think France is going to start dropping nuclear bombs on the UK, you are delusional.

No difference to the British? Damn I thought British had better military advisor than that xD

I never said France is going to drop nukes on UK. I just said UK couldn't drop nukes on Spain BECAUSE France would answer by using nuclear forces too. That's all I said, I'm not dumb enough to suggest nuclear war first.

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 06:27:50 AM

Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 06:27:50 AM

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

Why wouldn't they do that? Gibraltar is nothing but a mere English colony. And now that England is no longer in EU Spain is stronger.

Pax Americana.

America can't say anything at what's happening in EU. France has 7 nuclear submarines with 150 nukes on them. It makes it impossible for USA to interfere in European business in a military way.

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How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

Why wouldn't they do that? Gibraltar is nothing but a mere English colony. And now that England is no longer in EU Spain is stronger.

Pax Americana.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on June 26, 2016, 05:02:29 AM

Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

You are always implying that the UK would be the aggressor here when Spain is trying to steal land. Gibraltor has been under British rule for a long time and have actively warned off Spanish attempts to interfere. The Spanish are in no position to talk - they refuse to cede territory back to Morocco which defies their "territorial integrity" angle that they are so fond of using. Spain vs UK, EU vs UK.. makes no difference to the British but it's never going to happen. If you really think France is going to start dropping nuclear bombs on the UK, you are delusional.

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Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

Spain would be the aggressor if they tried to take Gibraltar by force, defying the rule of law as defined by a 400 year old treaty.

It's not going to happen. Get over it. Britannia and America rule the waves, not Brussels.

And that's mainly to prove the contrary that an agression over Gibraltar might be an excellent point.

That wouldn't even be an agression. Just a "wanna go? Ok but we keep that, we need it more".

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 25, 2016, 11:10:37 PM

Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

Spain would be the aggressor if they tried to take Gibraltar by force, defying the rule of law as defined by a 400 year old treaty.

It's not going to happen. Get over it. Britannia and America rule the waves, not Brussels.

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Quote from: designerusa on June 26, 2016, 02:07:59 AM

Pff...

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK).

EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again.

The British army is shit, but the Spanish army is even worse. And additionally, the Brits have nuclear weapons and the Spaniards don't even have thermobaric bombs. However, there is a geographic advantage to Spain. Gibraltar is located in the Western Mediterranean, and it will be difficult for the Brits to move their troops to Gibraltar.

Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

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Nothing is going to happen to Gibraltor. Even if we leave the EU - we are still friends and will continue to trade with these countries. Gibraltor has always been a source of friction between Spain and the UK, but even if it meant fighting all of Europe, it's not joining Spain unless the people voted for it. This means, if someone invaded Gibraltor (a hostile act) then a hostile act would return it to the UK. No nukes need to be involved. Calm down guys.

You know who else takes over countries that didn't want it? Dictatorships. So if you want to prove that the EU is everything that the British people voted against, go for it.

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spain is still a powerful country so it can take over gibraltar. i think we will see its happening very soon.

It's more likely Spain will be taken over by Morocco and go back to being Andalusia. Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 25, 2016, 12:39:44 AM

Spain is a joke now. They are not a sovereign nation. 400 years ago, the Spanish Empire was one of the largest nations in the world (w.r.t surface area and total population), although much of it was achieved as a result of butchering hundreds of millions of native Americans. Their past sins are fast catching up with them now.

i dont think their past sins will catch up with them very soon. because spain is still a powerful country so it can take over gibraltar. i think we will see its happening very soon.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 25, 2016, 11:10:37 PM

Pff...

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK).

EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again.

The British army is shit, but the Spanish army is even worse. And additionally, the Brits have nuclear weapons and the Spaniards don't even have thermobaric bombs. However, there is a geographic advantage to Spain. Gibraltar is located in the Western Mediterranean, and it will be difficult for the Brits to move their troops to Gibraltar.

Like the foolish macho Pernonistas, some people really believe there's no iron fist in the Queen's velvet glove. That is intentional.

BAF include SBS, SAS, and Gurkhas. Bad idea to mess with guys with a knife named after them.

Spain isn't going to get Gibraltar. Suggesting otherwise is just another way for sore losers whining about Brexit to express their butthurt and poutrage. Cheesy

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The British army is so bad that the Americans had to get them to teach them how to fight.

Unfortunately it's underfunded, and suffering from reduced resources at the moment. Maybe now that the EU won't be leeching off us, we can boost our economy by spending a bit more on our defences, and that includes the police, customs and the doctors and nurses.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on June 25, 2016, 06:32:08 PM

Pff...

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK).

EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again.

The British army is shit, but the Spanish army is even worse. And additionally, the Brits have nuclear weapons and the Spaniards don't even have thermobaric bombs. However, there is a geographic advantage to Spain. Gibraltar is located in the Western Mediterranean, and it will be difficult for the Brits to move their troops to Gibraltar.

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Quote from: alyssa85 on June 25, 2016, 05:59:27 PM

Quote from: European Central Bank on June 25, 2016, 05:34:46 PM

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Yup. Especially as most of the european countries are underfunding their defence budgets and begging the UK to send troops to defend against the wicked Russians.

No-one has sided with Spain over Gibraltar for over 300 years...

AHAHAHA REKT.

These witless Millennials are the worst, no how bad "old fags" like Corbyn may be.

They're all "But muh EU we need it to promote environmental and social and economic justice and stawp global woarming and racism!!1! "

Cheesy

Someone regretting thatcher can't even understand the concept of ideology...

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Quote from: alyssa85 on June 25, 2016, 05:59:27 PM

Quote from: European Central Bank on June 25, 2016, 05:34:46 PM

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Yup. Especially as most of the european countries are underfunding their defence budgets and begging the UK to send troops to defend against the wicked Russians.

No-one has sided with Spain over Gibraltar for over 300 years...

AHAHAHA REKT.

These witless Millennials are the worst, no how bad "old fags" like Corbyn may be.

They're all "But muh EU we need it to promote environmental and social and economic justice and stawp global woarming and racism!!1! "

Cheesy

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Quote from: European Central Bank on June 25, 2016, 05:34:46 PM

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Yup. Especially as most of the european countries are underfunding their defence budgets and begging the UK to send troops to defend against the wicked Russians.

No-one has sided with Spain over Gibraltar for over 300 years...

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on June 25, 2016, 05:36:44 PM

Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 05:29:13 PM

France won't and German can't?
You think after UK leaving the EU members won't answer a call of arms from a member against UK?

Come, if you want war it's easy to go. EU was here to prevent war, so war seems like the only real possibility after leaving.

And if you like facts so much go check this ranking and tell me again that France plus Germany plus Spain is not enough to put UK back to its place.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-europe.asp

German armed forces are neutered, per their post WW2 constitution.

France has no national interest in helping reclaim Gibraltar. Doing so would be against it, as it goes against the principles of diplomacy to assist Spain in reneging on their perpetual concession.

UK's Navy is top notch; Thatcher saw to that after the (relative) difficulty of retaking the Falklands.

Spain's Navy would quickly join its antecedent Armada on the seafloor, in Davy Jones' Locker.

Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 05:31:25 PM

Comparing Falklands to a fight against whole Europe... That's why old people shouldn't vote.

"Whole Europe" would not help Spain go back on its word, in violation of longstanding Treaty.

Of course, Whole Europe including France wouldn't have ANY interest in putting UK back on it's Island, showing strength of the EU, keeping the only access between Mediteranean see and Atlantic ocean inside the EU Roll Eyes

I absolutely don't see any interest here ><

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Quote from: European Central Bank on June 25, 2016, 05:34:46 PM

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Lol, I was simply answering to the completely stupid comment of the Thatcher old fag lover suggesting the nuking of Spain ^^

Of course the idea is completely ridiculous. But an armed conflict... Well it might happen.

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 05:29:13 PM

France won't and German can't?
You think after UK leaving the EU members won't answer a call of arms from a member against UK?

Come, if you want war it's easy to go. EU was here to prevent war, so war seems like the only real possibility after leaving.

And if you like facts so much go check this ranking and tell me again that France plus Germany plus Spain is not enough to put UK back to its place.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-europe.asp

German armed forces are neutered, per their post WW2 constitution.

France has no national interest in helping reclaim Gibraltar. Doing so would be against it, as it goes against the principles of diplomacy to assist Spain in reneging on their perpetual concession.

UK's Navy is top notch; Thatcher saw to that after the (relative) difficulty of retaking the Falklands.

Spain's Navy would quickly join its antecedent Armada on the seafloor, in Davy Jones' Locker.

Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 05:31:25 PM

Comparing Falklands to a fight against whole Europe... That's why old people shouldn't vote.

"Whole Europe" would not help Spain go back on its word, in violation of longstanding Treaty.

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Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on June 25, 2016, 05:28:16 PM

Quote from: European Central Bank on June 25, 2016, 05:21:11 PM

what is gibraltar's status? is it a full part of the uk or a crown dependency like the channel islands?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar

An Anglo-Dutch force captured Gibraltar from Spain in 1704 during the War of the Spanish Succession on behalf of the Habsburg pretender to the Spanish throne. The territory was subsequently ceded to Britain "in perpetuity" under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713.

Gibraltarians overwhelmingly rejected proposals for Spanish sovereignty in a 1967 referendum and again in 2002. Under the Gibraltar constitution of 2006, Gibraltar governs its own affairs, though some powers, such as defence and foreign relations, remain the responsibility of the Government of the United Kingdom.

FYI, "in perpetuity" means "forever" not "until we change our minds."

Case closed.

If Madrid.gov wants to create conflict over Gibraltar as a distraction from their own sorry state of affairs, they will enjoy the same measure of success as the Peronistas did with the Falklands.

Comparing Falklands to a fight against whole Europe... That's why old people shouldn't vote.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on June 25, 2016, 05:14:12 PM

Quote from: European Central Bank on June 25, 2016, 05:21:11 PM

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany?

Yah, that's what the corrupt warmongering regime in Argentina told their people when they decided to invade the Falklands.

How's that working for the Peronistas?

How's that working for all the dead sailors at the bottom of the sea rotting in the wrecked Belgrano?

France won't, and German can't, do anything about Spain's hilarious request to annex Gibraltar, any more than Morocco can take the islands off its coast from Spain.

You can accept history, or you can deal with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_Submarine_Service#Active_submarines

Spain's armed forces are great at pushing around Africans. Beating Her Majesty's armed forces and reversing 400 years of UK sovereignty? Not so much....

France won't and German can't?
You think after UK leaving the EU members won't answer a call of arms from a member against UK?

Come, if you want war it's easy to go. EU was here to prevent war, so war seems like the only real possibility after leaving.

And if you like facts so much go check this ranking and tell me again that France plus Germany plus Spain is not enough to put UK back to its place.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-europe.asp

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what is gibraltar's status? is it a full part of the uk or a crown dependency like the channel islands?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar

An Anglo-Dutch force captured Gibraltar from Spain in 1704 during the War of the Spanish Succession on behalf of the Habsburg pretender to the Spanish throne. The territory was subsequently ceded to Britain "in perpetuity" under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713.

Gibraltarians overwhelmingly rejected proposals for Spanish sovereignty in a 1967 referendum and again in 2002. Under the Gibraltar constitution of 2006, Gibraltar governs its own affairs, though some powers, such as defence and foreign relations, remain the responsibility of the Government of the United Kingdom.

FYI, "in perpetuity" means "forever" not "until we change our minds."

Case closed.

If Madrid.gov wants to create conflict over Gibraltar as a distraction from their own sorry state of affairs, they will enjoy the same measure of success as the Peronistas did with the Falklands.

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what is gibraltar's status? is it a full part of the uk or a crown dependency like the channel islands?

if i was gibraltan i wouldn't really give a shit about joining spain. it's not as if they're gonna send you to a concentration camp and you'd have dual citizenship. guess that isn't how the real ones feel.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on June 25, 2016, 02:29:20 PM

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany?

Yah, that's what the corrupt warmongering regime in Argentina told their people when they decided to invade the Falklands.

How's that working for the Peronistas?

How's that working for all the dead sailors at the bottom of the sea rotting in the wrecked Belgrano?

France won't, and German can't, do anything about Spain's hilarious request to annex Gibraltar, any more than Morocco can take the islands off its coast from Spain.

You can accept history, or you can deal with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_Submarine_Service#Active_submarines

Spain's armed forces are great at pushing around Africans. Beating Her Majesty's armed forces and reversing 400 years of UK sovereignty? Not so much....

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What are they going to do, send out the Spanish Armada to take it? OH WAIT.... Grin

UK should consider Spain's demand an act of war, and drop tactical nukes on .gov held areas of Madrid until they agree to STFU.

And that goes double for Buenos Aires.

I'm so sick of the endless, over-entitled demands of the Papist nations for free shit.

LMK when Spain returns Perejil and the Chafarinas to Morocco, as Rabat demands. Roll Eyes

Pff...

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK).

EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again.

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How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain).

They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union...

Or they could just take it from England as they are part of EU so they're largely stronger...

The UK has nukes, spain doesnt,

Or we could just stop go on holiday there and ruin Spain completely.

UK has nukes it can use only with USA agreements, EU has nukes.

Or you could just lower lightly tourist income by stoping going while the rest of EU goes more to Spain as no one will go to UK.

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What are they going to do, send out the Spanish Armada to take it? OH WAIT.... Grin

UK should consider Spain's demand an act of war, and drop tactical nukes on .gov held areas of Madrid until they agree to STFU.

And that goes double for Buenos Aires.

I'm so sick of the endless, over-entitled demands of the Papist nations for free shit.

LMK when Spain returns Perejil and the Chafarinas to Morocco, as Rabat demands. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: alyssa85 on June 25, 2016, 11:58:47 AM

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain).

They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union...

Or they could just take it from England as they are part of EU so they're largely stronger...

The UK has nukes, spain doesnt,

Or we could just stop go on holiday there and ruin Spain completely.

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How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain).

They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union...

Or they could just take it from England as they are part of EU so they're largely stronger...

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Quote from: Fortify on June 25, 2016, 07:12:10 AM

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain).

They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union...

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If the EU was a trading block, then we wouldn't be leaving. It's because it's the precursor to TTIP that we need to get out fast.

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 06:40:21 AM

Here is a ranking of the top world economies

United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
China. ...
Japan. ...
Germany. ...
United Kingdom. ...
France. ...
Brazil. ...
Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

You're not very bright using arguments like these. The EU is a trading bloc, so is worth the collective value of all members which makes (or made - before the UK left) it the biggest economy in the world. Why are you splitting out Italy, France, Germany and any others when they build trade deals as a group.

Well I think you've got the poin t with most of the "leaving" group ^^

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Here is a ranking of the top world economies

United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
China. ...
Japan. ...
Germany. ...
United Kingdom. ...
France. ...
Brazil. ...
Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

Lol, that's only because you're the one making the ranking. If you classify taking EU into account it's in the top 3 economy.

In the last years the EU was ranked 1 or 2.

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United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
China. ...
Japan. ...
Germany. ...
United Kingdom. ...
France. ...
Brazil. ...
Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

You're not very bright using arguments like these. The EU is a trading bloc, so is worth the collective value of all members which makes (or made - before the UK left) it the biggest economy in the world. Why are you splitting out Italy, France, Germany and any others when they build trade deals as a group.

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Here is a ranking of the top world economies

United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
China. ...
Japan. ...
Germany. ...
United Kingdom. ...
France. ...
Brazil. ...
Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

Lol, that's only because you're the one making the ranking. If you classify taking EU into account it's in the top 3 economy.

Jet Cash

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Here is a ranking of the top world economies

United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
China. ...
Japan. ...
Germany. ...
United Kingdom. ...
France. ...
Brazil. ...
Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

mOgliE

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Quote from: apollofire on June 25, 2016, 12:49:26 AM

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

Why wouldn't they do that? Gibraltar is nothing but a mere English colony. And now that England is no longer in EU Spain is stronger.

Fortify

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I think now they are too late but no harm in trying again

Spain will never have any rights over Gibraltor unless the people of Gibraltor vote for it. I think the people in Gibraltor would rather cede their nationality to Italy or Morocco over joining Spain. It is devious timing on behalf of Spain but their sovereignty not going to be decided by another country. For all the problems Spain is currently suffering, they should really have better things to do - particularly giving Catalonia a fair chance to vote.

apollofire

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I think now they are too late but no harm in trying again

bryant.coleman

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Spain is a joke now. They are not a sovereign nation. 400 years ago, the Spanish Empire was one of the largest nations in the world (w.r.t surface area and total population), although much of it was achieved as a result of butchering hundreds of millions of native Americans. Their past sins are fast catching up with them now.

xht

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hey you, yeah you, fuck you!!!