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bitart

hero member

Activity: 1442

Merit: 629

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Quote from: TheQuin on July 04, 2018, 08:29:53 AM

Quote from: Jet Cash on July 04, 2018, 02:32:20 AM

I wonder if it is random, or under admin control.

It is random. It is calculated from a hash of the user id, so without knowing the salt used, you'll not be able to work out when it will happen to any account. I think that sort of answers bitart's question in the OP as well. No, it isn't possible to tell if they would have ranked up if they had the merit.

Yeah, thanks, I've done some research (out of curiosity) about the activity count required.

Quote from: theymos on August 11, 2014, 12:12:19 PM

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Nah, that'd significantly complicate things. Currently this randomness is done with a single SQL query, which is very convenient.

Code:

up_date smf_members set ID_POST_GROUP=21 wh_ere ID_POST_GROUP=8 and
activity>=775 and activity>=775+con_v(sub_str(sha_1(con_cat(ID_MEMBER,
secretSeed)), 1, 2), 16, 10)

The required activity level per user is suitably random for betting, but anyone who can read my code (there are a few such people) will be able to exactly predict when someone will become Legendary, so I don't really recommend it.

So this is the basic code that calculates the activity required for each member.

I've found somewhere that Theymos mentioned that the seed is the same for every user and SHA1 ensures that it can't be calculated backwards.

I've created a little database from the 'Legendary one day' thread where people were posting their activity when they became legendaries.

I've also created a little excel sheet that made the coding (the same in the SQL code above, it was not easy to get excel to do that for me, as excel don't know the SHA1, you need a visual basic extention for that).

Theymos was right, that's not possible to calculate it even if you have a decent database with user IDs and the matching activity count...

So to cut the long story short, I know that I need 430 merits still to become a legendary but I was just curious if somehow possible to 'predict' the necessary activity limit for the hero members, to check if it has already been reached.

Thanks to all

EDIT:
Sorry for altering the original SQL code (with several _ inserted into SQL commands), but cloudfare is blocking me if I quote the original SQL code from theymos's original post...

criz2fer

full member

Activity: 672

Merit: 127

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on July 04, 2018, 05:54:45 AM

Quote from: Silent26 on July 04, 2018, 02:49:47 AM

<...>I never saw Hero member ranked up to Legendary lately (or I just missed them) <...>

I found a few ...
-snip-

Your really great as usual. Since the merit system was introduce, why not change it to a fix 1000 merit? It would be a great reward who ever make it by then in which are very few of them.

Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 06:00:11 PM

Rank	Required activity	Required merit
Brand new	0	0
Newbie	1	0
Jr Member	30	0
Member	60	10
Full Member	120	100
Sr. Member	240	250
Hero Member	480	500
Legendary	Random in the range 775-1030	1000

TheQuin

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Activity: 2576

Merit: 883

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 04, 2018, 02:32:20 AM

I wonder if it is random, or under admin control.

It is random. It is calculated from a hash of the user id, so without knowing the salt used, you'll not be able to work out when it will happen to any account. I think that sort of answers bitart's question in the OP as well. No, it isn't possible to tell if they would have ranked up if they had the merit.

MainIbem

sr. member

Activity: 1316

Merit: 379

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Since the introduction of the merit system, activity count now takes the second place. Even when your activity passes 1030, and your merits are not up to 1000, you will not be upgraded. So work more on getting the required merit than activity.

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: Silent26 on July 04, 2018, 02:49:47 AM

<...>I never saw Hero member ranked up to Legendary lately (or I just missed them) <...>

I found a few ...

Code:

name rank activity merit user_id url oldRank ReferenceDate
goinmerry Legendary 1022 1007 525508 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=525508 Hero Member 29/06/2018
socks435 Legendary 1008 1007 558519 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558519 Hero Member 29/06/2018
dishku Legendary 980 1001 515892 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=515892 Hero Member 22/06/2018
goinmerry Legendary 1022 1007 525508 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=525508 Hero Member 22/06/2018
AmoreJaz Legendary 952 1011 529754 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=529754 Hero Member 22/06/2018
Miiike Legendary 1036 1026 552299 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552299 Hero Member 22/06/2018
socks435 Legendary 1008 1007 558519 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558519 Hero Member 22/06/2018
thehun Legendary 1022 1014 82365 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82365 Hero Member 22/06/2018
visdude Legendary 1006 1001 99859 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99859 Hero Member 15/06/2018
thehun Legendary 1022 1014 82365 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82365 Hero Member 15/06/2018
socks435 Legendary 1008 1007 558519 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558519 Hero Member 15/06/2018
Miiike Legendary 1036 1026 552299 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552299 Hero Member 15/06/2018
AmoreJaz Legendary 952 1011 529754 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=529754 Hero Member 15/06/2018
dishku Legendary 980 1001 515892 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=515892 Hero Member 15/06/2018
goinmerry Legendary 1022 1007 525508 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=525508 Hero Member 15/06/2018
BitcoinHunt3r Legendary 966 1003 515719 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=515719 Hero Member 15/06/2018
jpoker272727 Legendary 1036 1000 36641 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36641 Hero Member 15/06/2018
bassdude Legendary 1022 1000 213925 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=213925 Hero Member 15/06/2018
visdude Legendary 1006 1001 99859 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99859 Hero Member 08/06/2018
thehun Legendary 1022 1014 82365 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82365 Hero Member 08/06/2018
milewilda Legendary 966 1005 662950 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662950 Hero Member 08/06/2018
ofeefee Legendary 1016 1001 106284 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106284 Hero Member 08/06/2018
socks435 Legendary 1008 1007 558519 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558519 Hero Member 08/06/2018
newinbtc Legendary 994 1001 543848 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=543848 Hero Member 08/06/2018
Miiike Legendary 1036 1026 552299 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552299 Hero Member 08/06/2018
goinmerry Legendary 1022 1007 525508 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=525508 Hero Member 08/06/2018
AmoreJaz Legendary 952 1011 529754 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=529754 Hero Member 08/06/2018
BitcoinHunt3r Legendary 966 1003 515719 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=515719 Hero Member 08/06/2018
dishku Legendary 980 1001 515892 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=515892 Hero Member 08/06/2018
jackbox Legendary 952 1014 389329 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=389329 Hero Member 08/06/2018
jpoker272727 Legendary 1036 1000 36641 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36641 Hero Member 08/06/2018
bassdude Legendary 1022 1000 213925 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=213925 Hero Member 08/06/2018
bassdude Legendary 1022 1000 213925 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=213925 Hero Member 01/06/2018
keyscore44 Legendary 1008 1000 344250 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=344250 Hero Member 01/06/2018
jpoker272727 Legendary 1036 1000 36641 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36641 Hero Member 01/06/2018
jackbox Legendary 952 1014 389329 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=389329 Hero Member 01/06/2018
BitcoinHunt3r Legendary 966 1003 515719 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=515719 Hero Member 01/06/2018
dishku Legendary 980 1001 515892 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=515892 Hero Member 01/06/2018
goinmerry Legendary 1022 1007 525508 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=525508 Hero Member 01/06/2018
AmoreJaz Legendary 952 1011 529754 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=529754 Hero Member 01/06/2018
newinbtc Legendary 994 1001 543848 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=543848 Hero Member 01/06/2018
Miiike Legendary 1036 1026 552299 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552299 Hero Member 01/06/2018
socks435 Legendary 1008 1007 558519 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558519 Hero Member 01/06/2018
milewilda Legendary 966 1005 662950 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662950 Hero Member 01/06/2018
thehun Legendary 1022 1014 82365 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82365 Hero Member 01/06/2018
ofeefee Legendary 1016 1001 106284 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106284 Hero Member 01/06/2018
visdude Legendary 1006 1001 99859 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99859 Hero Member 01/06/2018
newinbtc Legendary 994 1001 543848 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=543848 Hero Member 01/06/2018

The Changes from Hero to Legendary are not easy to detect, since we cannot solely use Merit and received sMerit as a base to backtrack the changes in rank for these cases.

What I’ve done to derive the above is to compare the most current user profile scrape to that of the previous weeks, and placed a reference date to the data extraction date being used (meaning that the actual ranking should have taken place within the week from the reference date backwards).

The above list is for July 2018 (to go back any further I’d have to look through backups and so forth which I don’t think we really need to go into now).

The minimum activity considered is 952 for these cases, repeated on six occasions (roughly, since the activity is the activity as of 29/06/2018, and not that at the exact moment they changed rank).

There are also some de-ranked Legendries (probably after deleting some posts) or that have changed to being a Copper Member:

Code:

name rank activity merit user_id url oldRank ReferenceDate
tylerderden Copper Member 1106 1024 222303 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=222303 Legendary 22/06/2018
tylerderden Copper Member 1106 1024 222303 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=222303 Legendary 15/06/2018
rivoke Hero Member 923 1006 380730 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=380730 Legendary 15/06/2018
tylerderden Copper Member 1106 1024 222303 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=222303 Legendary 08/06/2018
rivoke Hero Member 923 1006 380730 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=380730 Legendary 08/06/2018
tylerderden Copper Member 1106 1024 222303 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=222303 Legendary 01/06/2018
rivoke Hero Member 923 1006 380730 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=380730 Legendary 01/06/2018

mdayonliner

copper member

Activity: 630

Merit: 420

We are Bitcoin!

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on July 03, 2018, 06:27:53 PM

Quote from: Manhenro on July 03, 2018, 06:22:21 PM

That is if he gets the required number of merits for the new rank, his activity might be due for the new rank in next 4 weeks or less just like you said but he also needs the merit to move on to the legendary rank.

I don't know what cave you have been living under but my merits are displayed right there! Minimum required merits to become a legendary are 1000 and if you look at my merits, you shall see I'm pass that.

LOL epic! I don't mind Manhenro after looking at his post history it was obvious

Quote from: pugman on July 03, 2018, 06:46:08 PM

When people tell you,"Post in meta dude.. You'll get merits easily..." And then you come here saying crap without knowing anything. Nice.

Nailed it.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: Silent26 on July 04, 2018, 02:49:47 AM

Quote from: Jet Cash on July 04, 2018, 02:32:20 AM

I'm not sure what benefits there are with being a legendary

There might be no such benefits, but ranking to Legendary with Merit System will Somehow represent that you have been rewarded

Sir Jet, I would like to be the person to give you your 1000th merit if ever that you already have 999. I will be keeping an eye to your Merit points starting now. Please don't ask me why. Tongue

Well thanks for the offer. Please make sure it's a decent post, and not one where I'm having a strop.

I'm a bit tetchy this morning, as they have turned the power off in the supermarket cafe I'm in at the moment. That means I'm on battery power for the netbook, and I can't run my node,or do some of the website updating I had planned. I could I suppose, but the screen is a bit small, so it is easier to work on the notebook.

I'm not sure why Joel isn't a Legendary, it looks as if he should have been promoted. What happened to TMAN, wasn't he a hero a month or two ago, and he should be Legendary now?

Silent26

sr. member

Activity: 602

Merit: 327

Politeness: 1227: - 0 / +1

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on July 03, 2018, 05:15:02 PM

My account being a perfect example here. I had 1000 default merit and I think activity as same as the OP but I did not reach the legendary rank. Like you said it's random when one becomes a legendary while activity being in the scale of 950-1030.

I never saw Hero member ranked up to Legendary lately (or I just missed them). Looks like Mr. Joel_Jantsen is the first one from Hero to Legendary who will rank up in time. Congratulating you as well Mr.
But, I really thought you're already a Legendary, I often saw your posts but I never noticed that your still a Hero, maybe it's because the number of Activity and Merits attracts my eyes that's why I thought you're a Legendary.
By the way, I don't know if you're a moderator or not but the way you help the forum is more similar to a Moderator. I acknowledged such persons like you.

To OP, sorry if I'm off-topic. But I would like to tell you something since I already posted here. Just try to reach the amount of Merits required and I can assure you that you will rank up without worrying the activity

You still have 430 merits to go but you will have no trouble receiving it as I can sense that you are also one good poster.

Quote from: Jet Cash on July 04, 2018, 02:32:20 AM

I'm not sure what benefits there are with being a legendary

There might be no such benefits, but ranking to Legendary with Merit System will Somehow represent that you have been rewarded

Sir Jet, I would like to be the person to give you your 1000th merit if ever that you already have 999. I will be keeping an eye to your Merit points starting now. Please don't ask me why. Tongue

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: pugman on July 03, 2018, 06:46:08 PM

I got legendary rank at around 1000 activity. It differs from user to user, don't know why only legendary accounts have that floating activity rate.

I wonder if it is random, or under admin control. I noticed that a couple of members became legendaries at around 800 activity, and this was just before the merit system was introduced. I think they probably deserved the uprank, but it does make one wonder if there is a bit of admin control over the process.

Human nature is strange, I didn't really bother about becoming a legendary, but now that I can see the door in front of me ( it's still closed though ), I've started to watch the counts. I'm not sure what benefits there are with being a legendary, other than the oxidation of my last coin.

The Cryptovator

legendary

Activity: 2408

Merit: 2226

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Your current merit 570 and activity 910. According to theymos 775 to 1030 activity you need.

Quote from: theymos on June 18, 2013, 03:44:42 PM

Legendary occurs randomly between 775 and 1030 activity

So if you have now 1000 merit there is possibility become Legendary member. Anyway you need more 430 merit.

Once your merit will reach 1000 then I believe your activity will more then 1200. Because you need make many post for earn merit. So there is no doubed you will be legendary when approach 1000 merit.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: Manhenro on July 03, 2018, 06:22:21 PM

That is if he gets the required number of merits for the new rank, his activity might be due for the new rank in next 4 weeks or less just like you said but he also needs the merit to move on to the legendary rank.

Please don't play in the big boys' threads until you have learnt to read.

Another annoyance to ignore.

pugman

legendary

Activity: 2383

Merit: 1551

dogs are cute.

Quote from: Manhenro on July 03, 2018, 06:22:21 PM

That is if he gets the required number of merits for the new rank, his activity might be due for the new rank in next 4 weeks or less just like you said but he also needs the merit to move on to the legendary rank.

When people tell you,"Post in meta dude.. You'll get merits easily..." And then you come here saying crap without knowing anything. Nice.

You could never actually estimate at what level of activity you'd turn into legendary, even before the merit system. People could see the potential activity(the real activity level if an user had posted 14 posts every 2 weeks to estimate) from achow101's website(which is down indefinitely due to clouldfare) but they could never see when a person would turn into legendary. I got legendary rank at around 1000 activity. It differs from user to user, don't know why only legendary accounts have that floating activity rate.

Joel_Jantsen

legendary

Activity: 1988

Merit: 1317

Get your game girl

Quote from: Manhenro on July 03, 2018, 06:22:21 PM

Quote from: mdayonliner on July 03, 2018, 05:40:01 PM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on July 03, 2018, 05:15:02 PM

My account being a perfect example here. I had 1000 default merit and I think activity as same as the OP but I did not reach the legendary rank

So, if The Pharmacist is right which is HE is right, in the next 4 weeks or less you are going to celebrate your Legendary rank!!! Congratulations in advance mate.

That is if he gets the required number of merits for the new rank, his activity might be due for the new rank in next 4 weeks or less just like you said but he also needs the merit to move on to the legendary rank.

I don't know what cave you have been living under but my merits are displayed right there! Minimum required merits to become a legendary are 1000 and if you look at my merits, you shall see I'm pass that.

Manhenro

newbie

Activity: 229

Merit: 0

Quote from: mdayonliner on July 03, 2018, 05:40:01 PM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on July 03, 2018, 05:15:02 PM

My account being a perfect example here. I had 1000 default merit and I think activity as same as the OP but I did not reach the legendary rank

So, if The Pharmacist is right which is HE is right, in the next 4 weeks or less you are going to celebrate your Legendary rank!!! Congratulations in advance mate.

That is if he gets the required number of merits for the new rank, his activity might be due for the new rank in next 4 weeks or less just like you said but he also needs the merit to move on to the legendary rank.

Joel_Jantsen

legendary

Activity: 1988

Merit: 1317

Get your game girl

Quote from: mdayonliner on July 03, 2018, 05:40:01 PM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on July 03, 2018, 05:15:02 PM

My account being a perfect example here. I had 1000 default merit and I think activity as same as the OP but I did not reach the legendary rank

So, if The Pharmacist is right which is HE is right, in the next 4 weeks or less you are going to celebrate your Legendary rank!!! Congratulations in advance mate.

It could be in the next week as well as it's totally random.Anyway, I honestly don't think it's a big deal to rank up because one can easily buy a legendary account for a couple of hundreds out there.Thank you though!

mdayonliner

copper member

Activity: 630

Merit: 420

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on July 03, 2018, 05:15:02 PM

My account being a perfect example here. I had 1000 default merit and I think activity as same as the OP but I did not reach the legendary rank

So, if The Pharmacist is right which is HE is right, in the next 4 weeks or less you are going to celebrate your Legendary rank!!! Congratulations in advance mate.

Joel_Jantsen

legendary

Activity: 1988

Merit: 1317

Get your game girl

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 03, 2018, 04:57:20 PM

Edit: So IF you had the 1000 merits, you might be Legendary at this point, but it wouldn't be guaranteed. I had to wait until about 1020 activity before I got that status, and that was before the merit system *whew*.

My account being a perfect example here. I had 1000 default merit and I think activity as same as the OP but I did not reach the legendary rank. Like you said it's random when one becomes a legendary while activity being in the scale of 950-1030.
@OP, you have a long way to go.Gaining 500 merits would take a few months unless you do something extraordinary.

Lafu

legendary

Activity: 3136

Merit: 3213

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 03, 2018, 04:57:20 PM

You're guaranteed Legendary at 1030 activity (I think; I'm writing this from memory), IF you have 1000 merits. So you're almost there with the activity, but you still need the merits. I suspect by the time you get that 1000th merit, you'll turn legendary at the next activity period. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: So IF you had the 1000 merits, you might be Legendary at this point, but it wouldn't be guaranteed. I had to wait until about 1020 activity before I got that status, and that was before the merit system *whew*.

Damn you was faster then me lol , sry !

Lafu

legendary

Activity: 3136

Merit: 3213

Guess ,you haven't reached the necessary activity count as the Ranking changed and merits was implemented into the system !

So the only way to reach the Goal for Legendary is to post some productive and good Posts to get maybe Merits for them , if you have 1000 Merits , Rank will change !

If you reach this Goal your Rank will be upgraded to Legendary !

Regards Lafu

The Sceptical Chymist

legendary

Activity: 3528

Merit: 7005

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You're guaranteed Legendary at 1030 activity (I think; I'm writing this from memory), IF you have 1000 merits. So you're almost there with the activity, but you still need the merits. I suspect by the time you get that 1000th merit, you'll turn legendary at the next activity period. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: So IF you had the 1000 merits, you might be Legendary at this point, but it wouldn't be guaranteed. I had to wait until about 1020 activity before I got that status, and that was before the merit system *whew*.

bitart

hero member

Activity: 1442

Merit: 629

Vires in Numeris

I'm just curious...
Is it possible to know that:
If I had already earned the necessary 1000 merits (haven't, but theoretically) I would have become a Legendary or not, based on the current activity count?
Because I have already 910 activities, that means a possible legendary rank if we don't mind the merits.
I know that I'm really far away from the Legendary rank, but I'm still curious to know if it's possible to check if it's only the merits that are missing, or I still haven't reached my necessary activity count too.
I know that getting the answer won't change the whole situation at all, but curiosity is a hard thing to deal with

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