Topic: Speculation: New Trezor Product Coming on 14 June (Read 926 times)

Experience using smartphones with Gorilla Glass suggests that this is not a 100% way to protect against scratches and other damage. Even if the device is not used daily and as often as a smartphone, the device's screen may still be vulnerable to scratches. Screen protectors can help here.

I understand, but aesthetics are not as important as the functionality of this device. In the case of hardware wallets, you will be least concerned about the appearance if the device suddenly stops working.

The protective cover doesn't offer extra protection for the screen. It's only for the back cover and the sides. The screen itself protects against scratches and other damages thanks to Gorilla Glass protection.

Paying extra to protect your seed makes more sense if you ask me. A steel plate or steel washers are both good solutions if you don't want plain old paper backups.

To me it would make perfect sense to buy a protecting case like ons of those ones for the Trezor Safe 5, compared to the rest of the products of Satoshilabs, it is an expensive product and it is wise to protect it from scratches and falls, specially if holds an important amount of money. In that idea in mind, it would also make sense to get some crypto steel from the Trezor store together in a bundle with the Trezor Safe 5, so both the expensive device and the important seed phrase can be both protected from damage.

As a side note, I am the kind of person who does not like when a device like a phone or a watch starts to get scratches. 

"Scammer"? What did I do to scam?

Not to expensive but I think this is a waste of money for this device, especially since this is made from cheap TPU.
Trezor Safe 5 already has GorillaGlass protection for screen and nobody really cares about scratches on case.
If someone really wants additional protection than it's not hat hard to 3d print your own case protection for all Trezor devices.

Trezor has just released protective covers that they call bumpers for Trezor Safe 5. They are supposed to protect your hardware wallets from damage and scratches. It's not something I would personally buy, but if you have a tendency to drop stuff, maybe you'll find them useful. You can use your Safe 5 and its touchscreen with the bumpers on as they protect the back and the sides.

They are made of TPU, which is a kind of plastic with rubber-like elastic properties. A bumper costs €10, and it's available in 4 different colors: transparent, orange, green, and violet. You can purchase them from the official shop.

It's interesting that Trezor developers invented both Bip39 and Slip39 backup method and they are claiming that Slip39 is improved and safer way to store seed words.
That is why all new Trezor devices are coming out from factory with Slip39 backup as standard, and other wallets are slowly accepting this.

PS
I am not wasting my time answering anything to scammers like kruw.

Any set of shards below the minimum required number of shards for recovery don't reveal anything about the underlying secret.

This wouldn't be the case if you split recovery words of a particular BIP39 wallet. Every split part would reveal a certain number of words. The whole set of words of course allow to recover the full wallet, unless an optional mnemonic passphrase has been used or some weird lengthy non-standard derivation path.

Obviously, if you have enough SLIP39 shards, you can recover the wallet, unless... see above.

What makes SLIP39 more secure than BIP39?

There is no difference in discreetness between Trezor One and newly released Trezor models, and there is a good chance Model One stops production in near future.
For Trezor Safe 3, and other new models, secure element is a big security improvement for and it is even more secure with new Slip39 recovery method.

No idea what Montero is, but there are many reasons I mentioned above for Trezor 3 Safe.

That's because you prioritize other things rather than convenience, portability, and ease of use. If you want more privacy and control, you'll have to invest more time in your setup to build something that suits your particular needs. But for those who prefer a quicker way to engage with crypto and don't mind giving up some of their privacy, hardware wallets are a preferable choice. 

There's an exception, the Safe 3 came out after the Model T but is much cheaper. The touchscreen design of the Safe 5 appears to be the successor to the Model T while the 2 button design of the Safe 3 appears to be the successor to the Model One.

I do not even know how I missed this Thread.  169 is kind of much for this in my opinion.  Does anybody feel like the new features are worth the expensiveness?

I think they increased the Price from model to model, have they not?  It almost feels like Apple reading this.  The device looks nice and all, but hell.  For 169 I think I can build myself a pretty quick Computer that can hold Full Nodes for a few Cryptocurrencies too.  I really believe any Hardware Wallet over 100 is an over reach unless you carry it around often and need it for portability.

It won't necessarily make the older hardware wallets and software insecure and vulnerable. That would only happen if Trezor or some white/blackhat hacker finds serious vulnerabilities with those models. If that doesn't happen, your security won't decrease. But you won't be able to take advantage of new features and options and the developers would stop bettering the code for the older devices to make it function more efficiently. With all that said, it's always better to have a device that the company still supports with new updates.

Thanks for your replies, I guess paying for some extra features in the Trezor model 3 could be worth it. I had not thought about the possibility of Satoshilabs sunsetting the firmware update for the original Trezor One model and only focussing in the newest versions, to be honest. If it happens, it could be obviously be translated onto a lack of security for those who are left behind... 

I makes me wonder who much time Trezor Model one and Trezo model T have left in the market before they stop getting updates... Satoshilabs seems to be still quite proud of their original Hardware wallet, so they are less likely to sunsetting it soon, but there will be a time which is no longer sustainable for them to continue to produce them and sell them, unless they algo increase its price slightly.

The latter part provides better protection if you know how to use it properly ^{[refer to the very end of "this page"]}, but I wouldn't mind having another layer of protection ^[SE].

Even if none of the differences that Pmalek mentioned earlier existed, I would've still paid the $20 difference between the devices in question to get almost another decade of firmware updates.

The secure element is important but not crucial to your security. The SE chip protects against physical manipulation of the device. However, if someone has control of your Trezor, you have already done something really wrong to allow that control, and you should think about moving your coins elsewhere asap, regardless how robust the hardware wallet's security is.

There are a few differences between your Model One and the Trezor Safe 3:
- As I mentioned already, Safe 3 features a secure element chip, Model One doesn't.
- You enter passphrases on the Safe 3, but for Model One, you must enter them in Trezor Suite on your computer. That's less secure.
- You can take advantage of Trezor's new 20-word seed backup scheme and multi-share backups. This isn't available on Model One.

Perhaps it is just me, but I still find myself to be fond of the classical model Trezor One, it just feels more discreet and less luxurious than it's predecessors, I don't know.
Besides, in my opinion, I am not sure the new features are worth the premium one would end up paying for the new model...
Do you believe having a secure element within the device is a must or it would be solved by having a strong enough passphrase and adding ones recovery seed well enough?

Some months ago I was considering to get the Trezor Safe 3, because it kind of an evolution of the original Trezor one, but in retrospective if I am only into BTC and do not plan to get money into Montero or Cardano, there is no reason to spend an extra.

Thoughts?

The SD card encryption has its use. I wouldn't mind taking advantage of it if I had it on my Trezor One. If you knew the PIN code of my Trezor, you would be able to unlock it and steal all my crypto if you had physical access to the device. However, If it was protected with an SD card, you wouldn't be able to unlock it even if you knew the PIN without the second factor - the SD card. It provides users with that one extra line of defense like you say.

The conclusion is obvious: why buy the same thing at double the price?

And I, as a potential buyer, would like manufacturers to listen to my needs and try to meet demand. Otherwise, what is the point of business if not to satisfy customers?

Not at all, no, completely serious. I believe that manufacturers could produce the same Trezor Safe 5 in two modifications:
1) with a basic minimal configuration, which will not have Bluetooth, an SD card slot and other unnecessary little things for those who do not need extra functionality. And accordingly, a little cheaper in cost. I personally would take exactly this one.
2) advanced maximum configuration for those who need all this functionality.

I can imagine that both product lines would find their customers.

The stripped-down and full versions could be produced on the same device base (in order to save production), with the only difference being that bluetooth, an SD card slot, and the like would be physically removed.

Many people will not want to buy a device just because of the built-in Bluetooth (insert your own reason), which is why the company loses customers and profits. I'm not suggesting that manufacturers fulfill every whim of their clients, but creating hardware wallets with major / minor models doesn't seem to me something extra-impossible and extra-complicated.

Yeah, SDcard is just adding extra layer of protection, but that is not needed so much since Trezor Safe 5 added secure element.
Unless you really want touch screen that makes typing easier on bigger screen, there is no real reason why anyone should upgrade from Trezor Safe 3.
There is however one more internal change I found while watching this video, Trezor added new improved microcontroller STM32U5 that replaced older model STM32F4.
Both microcontrollers are coming from the same manufacturer STMicroelectronics.

 

Trezor doesn't supports PSBTs like airgapped hardware wallets. My guess is that the SD card serves the same function as on Trezor Model T. It pairs with the device and encrypts it, allowing access to the Trezor only after entering the configured PIN code.

CryptoGuide released first video for new Trezor Safe 5 device, with unboxing, setup guide and review.
You can see that size is almost identical with Trezor Model T,  and it is slightly bigger than Trezor Safe 3.
Touchscreen might be more interesting than I expected, it works similar like on smartphones with swipe up.
ANother important thing to say is that MiscroSD card doesn't work like in other hardware wallet for independent sign of transaction, it is used only for additional protection.
Some software wallets still don't recognize Trezor Safe 5 but that will change soon.


https://youtu.be/H57nl-1O65Y

As a responsible consumer, you should recognize this and draw appropriate conclusions, shouldn't you!


Well, didn't expect 'em to ask me. And I'm sure some would complain if no Bluetooth connectivity is there.

I would say some hardware wallets have Bluetooth because of Apple's hassle with their Lightning connector or limited USB-functionality on newer Apple mobile devices. And probably the Android camp has also fucked something up that developers bite the dust and piggy-back on Bluetooth, too. No particular camp bashing in mind...

I'm just a crazy guy who doesn't want to use a wallet with more than pocket money on a mobile device. I mostly don't need to use a hardware wallet on my mobile device, YMMV. I consider Bluetooth a security risk and therefore a feature to avoid.


Do I smell some irony here or traces of elements of S, Ar, Ca, Sm?

Different people have different needs and a manufacturer can't please everybody. As long as there're different product options and some diversity in the product space by other manufacturers.


While there're not terribly many other choices in this product category from other manufacturers, it should be possible to find a product that causes the least pain. 
(I'm mostly happy with my BitBox02. It doesn't tick all boxes of my wishlist but that's no problem.)

Of course not. Trezor, like any other hardware wallet manufacturer, makes money by selling its products. If their customers don't buy their hardware wallets every couple of years, Trezor won't make the money they need and want. They can hardly expect a constant influx of new users who buy a device for the first time and only one time. So, they have to sell a new gadget to their existing userbase every couple of years to remain profitable. They will introduce just enough new features and options to call it a new device that provides you with something extra, but nothing too fancy that will last forever. And in 2, 3, or 5 years, they will press repeat and do it all over again. 

This is exactly what will most likely happen, because in the era of irrational consumption, artificial obsolescence (in the case of your watches, firmware) and marketing (the pursuit of constant profit growth), it is profitable for manufacturers to make sure that in a couple of years the device turns into a useless, non-functional “brick” . The new Safe 5 is a product of the same era. Take a look, functionally, this device does not offer anything revolutionary new compared to the previous model, but it costs 2 times more.

I would not expect durable hardware wallet and therefore, prepare money in your pockets.


But Trezor forgot to ask you about this.

A manufacturer who listens to the opinions of its customers would make a fortune.

But it seems to me that there is no choice as such, because manufacturers offer to buy only what they have. Either buy it or don't buy it. Is this a choice?

The Bluetooth spec is a complicated monster, a few thousand pages, and thus usually an implementation nightmare full of bugs and security issues. I don't want this in a hardware wallet.

I also don't want built-in obsolescense, be it the Bluetooth chip or the built-in and in many cases not easily replaceable required battery.

Such hardware design features make my choice process easy: does it have Bluetooth or other stupid gimmicks? I don't buy it.

I am not thrilled with bluetooth support in any devices, especially not in hardware wallets, and it's not only a security issue.
Problem is that bluetooth chips are constantly making changes and improvements, so in just few years we can have unusable hardware wallets that have bluetooth only on paper.
Proof that I am not making wild assumptions is g-shock gb-5600 watches from 2012/2013 that had basic bluetooth support, now they can't be used because app is discontinued and firmware for chip can't be updated.
I hope this won't happen to (expensive) Bluetooth hardware wallets.

When Trezor Safe 5 was not released yet, I tried to guess what the new hardware wallet from Trezor would look like by taking the image source at:
https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/642fb2190d1edeee907e470b/66548e14a1a16508cba1522a_TS5_rotation_green_v2_0108%203-p-800.png

I got the link from https://content.trezor.io/new-products-2024, and from the file name, there is a clue to the name of the hardware wallet: TS5.

Then, I tried adjusting the image levels. Here are the results:


My assumption then was that the shape would still be similar to the Trezor Safe 3, and the picture above is the side part, while the bottom part looks like a slightly conical curved part.

Yes, two out of three GitHub issues ^[open] with the following label are referring to Bluetooth, so it's safe to say they're going down that path ^{[at least for the next one (unfortunately)]}:
^{- FWIW, based on how they've labeled their devices, I expect the next one to come with a new form factor.}

• Quote from: SFR10 on June 15, 2024, 03:32:46 PM
  T3W1
  

No, but people expect them to make one airgapped device and they are already preparing several new wallets, so there is chance they will do it.

Latest news I heard from them in 2023 was that first version of Tropic Square chip should be available in 2025.
That means that new hardware wallet with that chip can't be released before that happens, but I secretly hoped they would somehow managed to speed things up with Safe 5, and I was wrong.

Are you sure about that?

Same here, but considering their CEO mentioned in the past that production would happen sometime this year, I was expecting/hoping to see it in their latest product so I guess there was a minor setback.

• Quote from: dkbit98 on June 20, 2024, 01:36:19 PM
  but I hopping to see Trezor making a good airgapped device as alternative for Passport and Keystone wallets.
  
  Unfortunately, the next one appears to be getting a Bluetooth upgrade, so it's not going to be fully air-gapped ^{[regardless of them allowing users to turn it off in SW/HW]}.
  

No, not to my knowledge ^{[unfortunately]}.

Imagine a combination of the two: An almost perfectly open-source secure element chip on board an airgapped hardware wallet with top features and quality materials. That would be a device worth paying a premium price for. I am of the same opinion as you that one of their upcoming hardware wallets will feature the new Tropic Square SE chip. Still, time is needed to see how good this product is against all sorts of manipulations (open-sourced or not). Has Trezor ever made any hints that they are considering developing an airgapped hardware wallet?

I bet one of those devices is going to be with Tropic Square chip, but I hopping to see Trezor making a good airgapped device as alternative for Passport and Keystone wallets.
Some healthy competition is always good and it will push other manufacturers to make more improvements and innovations.

No they didn't.
You simply saw what you wanted to see, and it's not like they promised anything with that teaser.

They published  image (rotated! on their initial advertising  page) with  the artifact. Two options are here. 1) They done it intentionally to cheat consumers. 2) Their web developers are ignorant and irresponsible guys. Neither of two would add the credit to this company. Still, I believe that the opt 1) is more realistic.

You're right, but I was referring to the time gap between releasing Safe 3 and Safe 5... Before the release of Safe 3, there were a bunch of home screen screenshots ^{[or something like that]} of Safe 3 with another unknown device that looked like Model T ^{[unfortunately, I couldn't find it in their Git repo]} and apart from that, back when X was still Twitter, they hinted at the possibility of releasing another device ^{[hard to find, sorry]} and lastly, they've always been open about it on their subreddit ^{[e.g. New hardware , or updated model t?]}.

• BTW, just noticed there are two more labels on their GitHub repository, so I think it's safe to say that we're going to get two more devices within the next few years:
  ^{- I have mixed feelings about the gap becoming smaller for each major release, but it's better than nothing.}
  
  T1B1 legacy = Model One
  T2T1 = Model T
  T2B1 = Safe 3/Model R
  T3T1 = Safe 5
  T3W1 = ?
  T3B1 = ?
  

There is one thing that no one mentioned until now it seems. It's far from revolutionary and pretty unimportant if you ask me. The Trezor team created a new seed standard with 20 words. So, you can generate a seed with 12, 20, or 24 words with the Trezor Safe 5. Perhaps that will also be added to their other devices. It's really not worth mentioning but I did see it on their product page.

I think that the last price for Trezor Model T was exactly the same as for new Trezor Safe 5, and I am sure it was bellow $200.
After checking on Bitcoinhole I see that last price was exactly $149.

They didn't cheat anything.
If you zoom the image you can see it's just the way light plays with the side and shape of new device.

It's probably better to have bigger touchscreen than two buttons, but I agree that this is not worth paying around $100 more for this device.
Gorilla Glass 3 and support for SD cards is nice but I can live without it.

You don't have to wait a year to receive it after pre-ordering, and I didn't expect they will released new device until recently.  

I'm a bit disappointed to wait roughly a year for something that isn't really that superior ^{[e.g. for things that actually matter]} to the Safe 3!
^{Looks like I'll be upgrading to the Safe 3 (Bitcoin-only) mainly because of its secure element and the lack of firmware updates on the Model One.}

In fact, there was nothing revolutionary and this device (Safe 5) is nothing more than an updated model of their Trezor Safe 3 (replacement for model T) with a color touch screen. Just an expensive restyling of Safe 3 with the same functionality.

Trezor got rid of its outdated range of devices (all they have to do is sell off the remaining mondel One and remove it from the assortment), just like Ledger.


I admit, Trezor managed to fool me.

It’s just that Trezor decided to stick to its previous traditional forms of devices, which I think is correct, because it makes the devices immediately recognizable, but otherwise, it’s the same “old smartphone” (very vaguely) with a touch screen, but there was no built-in battery (and no slot for memory card) as I expected.

Correction: there is a slot for a memory card (I read it more carefully and saw it in the picture). So, I also guessed with the hole - this is a slot for a memory card (located on the right edge).



This is not a cheating, but a clever marketing ploy to attract the attention of potential buyers. The trick was a success, since we are discussing it.

And in the picture this is a side (or top) view of the edge of the Safe 5. I think so.

Correction: There is no text "Trezor" on the top edge. And notice the trapezoidal edges (left and right), exactly the same as in the first photos (which I focused on in previous posts).


In general, I believe that the crime secret of Trezor have been revealed.

Perhaps not. Trezor's team is at the BTC Prague Bitcoin conference. It began yesterday and will end tomorrow. Perhaps that thing that appeared in their promo image will be presented tomorrow. If not, then I agree with you that it's weird.
The Trezor Safe 5 isn't the only news from Trezor in these days. They have also introduced Trezor Expert. It's a one-on-one paid help session to set up your hardware wallet. The 60-min video guide costs €99.

Then, it is turnes out that they were cheating in fact  by their previous image

 

which explicitly shows something  that resembles  a snap of a bracelet on their stuff. Where is it on their Trezor Safe 5 model the image of which they revealed today?

Strange marketing, nothing to say more.

The price is repelling.

It was their most expensive hardware wallet. I never like seeing a good device getting dropped, but the Safe 5 looks better thanks to its secure element and a touch screen. Plus, it's cheaper.
It also seems that the Trezor Safe 3 Bitcoin-only version (with the orange back cover) is back again and can be bought.

They still have the Trezor T for sale as part of their bundles. You can buy two Model T's for €268.

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Seems that m2017 was partially right. He figured out, based on the image, that it's a new hardware wallet in the form of an old mobile phone. It was a new hardware wallet but not a phone-looking one.

Just confirmed that new Trezor device is Trezor Safe 5 and pre-order price is $169, with shipping for devices planned from Mid July to  Mid August 2024.

New Trezor Safe 5 have Color touchscreen that is bigger than screen in Trezor Safe 3, and it has Gorilla Glass 3 protection.

Secure Element is NDA-free EAL 6+ and it's not made by Tropic Square, so probably it is similar like in Trezor Safe 3.

I expected to see airgapped device, but sadly it is only USB cable connection.


https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5

Full launch video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Levzt4TKs

PS
Trezor Model T is now officially removed from Trezor website.

It seems that my version is justified so far. This is definitely not a ring or a bracelet.



I assume that the picture shows the left part of the upper edge (1) of the device with the inscription “trezor”, similar to a plump old smartphone, and the right part of the upper edge (2), where there will probably be a slot for a memory card (3). It doesn't look like a power cable connector (there will probably be a built-in battery to power the big touchscreen). The connectors are traditionally located on the bottom edge (4) and I’m sure it won’t be any different here. That is, I don’t expect to see anything revolutionary new in terms of design in this hardware wallet (everything new is well forgotten old).

Very soon all the covers will be removed.

Nothing is stopping your from using it. The decision is yours. You are going to need Trezorctl to use it. Unless something changed in the meantime, there are only two commands you can enter. One to activate SD code protection and one to deactivate it. You can simply copy the commands from Trezor's support page.

Yeah, I am aware of this feature, but I, who have had Trezor model T for 4 years, have never even tested this function. Furthermore, few users know about it as it's accessible via command line. It would be more useful if they offer other types of functionality for the SD card slot.

The SD card slot on the Trezor T has a different function. It's not there to be used for importing and exporting PSBTs. It's function is to generate a secret code, store it on a MicroSD card, and require the user to insert it and unlock access to their device before every use. If the feature is enabled, of course.

It would make sense if we did. Smartphones with touchscreens are already old news, and other types of phones are getting rarer by the day. We should expect the same for hardware wallets. At the same time, I am a fan of simplicity and as little optional features as possible.

Hey, this smartphone is exactly what I owned in 2011, so much nostalgia.

I agree with you, I think it will be Trezor's new flagship, but I highly doubt Trezor will make something air-gapped, they might even put it as an optional feature. Trezor's proposal is to be more user friendly, so I doubt it will be something completely air-gapped.

They are "so concerned" about providing support for air-gapped and PSBT signatures that TODAY they have never released an update allowing this feature on the Trezor model T which has an SD card tray that is PRACTICALLY USELESS, nor an option for encrypted backups like coldcard does, passport etc. they made it available via the SD card.

Are we moving towards the phase of HW where they look more like smartphones with touch screens? See the Coldcard Q (it's not touch, but it has a QWERT keyboard).

I think this is the trend, launching devices similar to smartphones with a keyboard (touchscreen or physical), due to the passphrase feature being increasingly demanded by users, and typing the passphrase on devices like Ledger from the Nano line is agonizing, more or less in Trezor T where we have the ABCD numeric keyboard where we have to alternate between 3 or 4 letters to type letters, numbers and characters.

It will not be a ring or a bracelet, but the form factor of a regular smartphone (rectangular device).

If this were a bracelet, there would be no beveled edges (pink arrows in the picture).

Any bracelet or ring (side view) has the correct shape.



Now I was able to make my point clear?

Nope.

There is no ring, bracelet or anything else cyclically shaped. The announced device doesn't have the geometrically symmetrical lines (shapes) inherent in armband.

I think this device will look something like this:


Exactly the same characteristic beveled edges of the device. I think that this HW will look something like this (like an old smartphone). In the announced picture Trezor, you see the device from the side (exactly the same as image №2), which creates the illusion of the shape of a ring / bracelet. That is, Trezor misled us because of the angle from which the device was shown.

This is the point of the marketing ploy - to create interest and involvement in view of the limited (dosed) information provided.

Maybe you are right, but it doesn't look very much like a ring to me.

So, you think it's going to be a ring with a touchscreen similar to that of Ledger Stax? Sorry, I don't see that happening. Maybe it will be a ring, maybe a new device with a touchscreen, but hardly a combination of the two. Of course, that's my personal opinion.

By claiming that this is a bracelet, you are missing one important detail. The bracelet has the shape of a symmetrical ring, which means that in the photo the outer parts of the bracelet should have had an angle of 90 degrees, and not be beveled. I'm sure it's not a bracelet.


This is a side (or top - which I think is unlikely) view of the device. I can imagine it will be a device with a touch screen that looks something like ledger stix. That is, in the part where the green arrow is directed, a smartphone-type display will be located.

In less than a week we will find out whose speculations will be correct.

Thank you I think they intentionally kept a few screenshots to let some of us find something about their upcoming model ^{[assuming that GitHub doesn't automatically remove screenshots after a certain time has passed]}, so at most, it's probably just a tiny blow for their upcoming presentation... Having said that, their CEO mentioned on X that "they're super excited to launch some new products" so they still have a few surprises up their sleeves

Unfortunately, you're probably right ^{[I wish they had an option for returning customers to use Bitcoin and pay in installments]}

I'll chime in with some speculation:

• titanium frame or casing?
• color touch screen
• no battery (thank god, no built-in obsolescence... otherwise: crap!)
• likely more expensive than Trezor T, but who knows
• built-in camera (quite a significant advancement for Trezor)?

(I didn't look into their Github, it's more what I'd wish to see, well, not for the price, though.)

I'm not terribly interested in Trezor as long as they haven't released their own somewhat "open" security chip and I don't expect this to happen any soon and particularly not for this new device. And once the Tropic™ chip surfaces in an actual product, it needs to prove its real in-the-wild security first.

Nice one, I think you just ruined the mysterious secret surprise for Trezor
I don't think are going to skip Safe 4, but they will probably release it later, unless for some weird reason they are only releasing devices with odd numbers - Trezor One, Trezor Safe 3, Trezor Safe 5, than 7,9,11 etc.

PS
This probably means most advanced price is coming soon also, that is more than $179 USD

You're right, but I was referring to this "part ^{[as opposed to the very end of each side]}".
^{- Exactly like Model T.}

• Quote from: Pmalek on June 04, 2024, 02:02:34 PM
  I don't know it it's a light effect that we are seeing on the right end of the picture or if it could be a metal buckle like you see on watches and bracelets.
  
  I strongly believe it's just a light effect
  

Finally managed to find something on their GitHub repository and it appears that they're going to skip number Four and go straight to number Five: Trezor Safe 5 ^[archived]

In order for the protection to be somewhat adequate, you would need a large and dangerous dog - but we all know that dogs can wander off, be stolen or poisoned, so HW around a dog's neck does not look smart at all


I agree that it would be bad for privacy, unless the logo was on the underside (in case it's a bracelet) - but it's hard for any company to put their product on the market without it being clearly marked with their logo.

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Maybe they are targeting a younger audience? A lot of things don't make sense to me today and I wouldn't buy various things, but the companies that sell such products make huge money, which means that someone still buys them. What I know for sure is that every company simply has to release a new product from time to time in order to stay in the race with the competition.

HW in the trouser belt form-factor. Men never part with belts thus  such HW  could  be a hit worldwide.

Another option - watchband or other wearable with  HW capability.

And finally, the dog collar, why not, HW in such form-factor would be protected by  jaws.

Thus, there are virtually myriads of options, let's wait for 14 June.

UPD. If this is some kind of wearable I would prefer to not highlight its role by TREZOR logo.

It curves towards the end on both sides. I don't know it it's a light effect that we are seeing on the right end of the picture or if it could be a metal buckle like you see on watches and bracelets.

I thought about that as well, but I believe they would have put more effort into marketing their new secure element if it was ready to be released. Let's see...

Yeah, I mentioned that in my OP as well. Considering that Trezor's main product line is hardware wallets, calling something that isn't a hardware wallet their "most advanced member yet" makes little sense to me. But if you forget about that statement and look at the picture, it doesn't scream hardware wallet, but something completely different.

I hope it's some new type of airgapped hardware wallet with tropic square secure element, but more likely it is some new accessory coming from Trezor factory.
If it's not a hardware wallet than it could be another metal backup solution for seed words branded as Safe.

One thing that made me think it's their new hardware wallet is statement from their content page ''most advanced member yet'' so maybe it's Trezor Safe 4 or Safe A for Airgapped.

Back in the day when they were showing a lot of stuff about their upcoming Trezor Safe 3 ^{[also known as the Model R on github]}, they did show another hardware wallet that had a similar design to Model T ^{[I had no luck in finding it again]}, so I expect it to be something along those lines ^{[the darker part in the lower one-third is where it curves a little and becomes narrower towards the end]}.

Trezor Model One > Model T ^[Two] > Safe 3 > Safe F ^{[Four]
Note: I'm just guessing}

Hopefully, this one would finally come with Trezor's secure element.

It does look like a bracelet, something you would wrap around your arm. I hope it's not some new type of elongated and narrow hardware wallet design because it would look ridiculous in my opinion. Image the screen on the other side the entire length of the device? It would look very weird and become a laughing stock.

It is possible that it is some kind of HW bracelet or the picture is just deceiving us and it is some kind of elongated hardware wallet model that on the other side has a touch screen. I don't know what else it could be about, except maybe that it is some kind of additional device that can be paired with existing models for additional security.

One comment on their Reddit channel says that some kind of conclusion could be drawn from digging through the code that has been available on GitHub for months.

Trezor has announced they are releasing a new product on 14 June. They are being secretive about what it is. It will be presented to the audience at BTC Prague.
So far, they have said that the Trezor Safe Family will grow. They are also calling the release their "most advanced member yet."

Could it be an accessory to the Trezor Safe 3? In that case, why refer to it as a new member?!

They have posted a picture of the upcoming product on their website: https://content.trezor.io/new-products-2024
Could it be a armband? Perhaps a stripe type of hardware wallet or accessory to the Trezor Safe 3.

What are your thought?