Topic: Split from Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns (Read 137 times)

Yawn. I'm tired of this irrelevant equivalency.

Hey, please don't drive at 200 mphs on the road
OMG NAZI GERMANY.

Hey, please don't throw litter on the ground
This is how fascism happens.

Some basic rules or regulations does not equate to tyranny nor does this have anything to do with whatever reason someone gave for pensions. Not wanting people to get paid just for bashing their fists on a keyboard isn't 'authoritarian'. This is a web forum not a state, but there are rules here if you haven't noticed. I'm not saying murder or imprison everyone that doesn't think the same way as I do. This forum isn't a free for all where anything goes and there are rules to try keep some order, but this forum is also a pretty good example of what happens when you let people do largely whatever they want without many repercussions. When we let signature campaigns pay people for spam then the forum becomes the shitshow that it is. That shouldn't be acceptable. Trying to put some rules or regulations on how they can operate here or what happens whey they don't meet some minimum standards does not equal whatever regime you want to compare it to. I wish we didn't need laws and people could be trusted to conduct themselves in appropriate manner that doesn't endanger or hurt others, but we sadly don't live in that reality.

Greed is good? News to me. And I've told you numerous times that you're an entitled whinger who is solely complaining because you came here after an absence and wanted people to throw their money at you straight away when you asked. You found it wasn't as easy as that now and that's a good thing. I've also told you numerous times why it's a problem but you never accept or address the answers I give.


Child pornography is big business. Doesn't mean it's ok. Mulder for hires are lucrative. Also not ok. People trafficking. Not ok. Blah blah blah, I could go on. Just because there's money to be made somewhere doesn't mean it's a good idea. Capitalism is good. Rampant unregulated capitalism where corporations run amok and cut corners, underpay people and buy off politicians without repercussions isn't. Same thing here. We've let signature campaigns destroy the forum. This is a forum to discuss bitcoin, but it's turned into a pay to post one where people can literally get paid for typing: i like bitcoin because it gives me profit and helps with my daily needs and in much worse configurations than that over however many accounts they could be bothered to farm. Sorry if I'm being nostalgic for a time when people could actually have decent discussions here and it wasn't populated by illiterate idiots who don't know anything or even care about bitcoin but they gotta get that chedda anyway they can.


I'm not. I'm on one myself, but I'm not the problem here. It's the ones that destroy the true purpose of the forum in the process. I've always been about trying to find a middle ground so people can get paid to post as I think it's a great thing, but people shouldn't be able to get paid for spam. It's low effort drivel and the campaigns that pay people to make it that I'm so against. Pay people to post constructively; don't pay people to spam whatever they can be bothered to make. It's shouldn't be too much too ask, but apparently it is.


I wouldn't. Not everyone is concerned with making as much money as quickly and as unscrupulously as possible. I'm not saying money is bad or signature campaigns, but as with everything there needs to be some rules, regulations and standards. What you're saying is like complaining at someone who want's a speed limit on the roads and you're saying hey, let people do what they want. Speed is good. No, it isn't. People can't be trusted to make their own rules because it becomes anarchy and endangers everyone else. Sig spammers have ruined it for everyone else and there's a good chance at some point signatures will be removed completely. What will you do then? I don't think spammers should be able to ruin it for everyone, especially when they'd be the people who immediately left the day signatures are removed. I don't think sig spammers should be able to ruin it for everyone. I have no issue with people coming here to get paid, just as long as they don't do a shitty 'job'.


That's not an excuse to let people do what they want and shit all over the place. I'm sure there's money to be made from pimping out your girlfriend/wife/family member, but you're not going to do it are you? Maybe you would. I'm sure there's people who would pay you to graffiti on the walls or damage other's property, but most people don't want to take part in that. 


And I genuinely want to know why you never read or can't comprehend what I write because I've addressed this numerous times. It's not about the money; it's about the spam. And what's in it for me? What's in it for me if people don't litter and shit in the streets? I and many others don't want to see it and exist amongst squalor. I don't want to walk down a street and it be littered with filth and beggars with their hands out clutching at my cuffs asking for money. All you care about is getting onto a decent paying signature campaign no matter what the cost or how they effect the forum. Should I be congratulating you for your greed, apathy and indifference to the damage signature campaigns cause or something?


No, but we can fix how signature campaigns are allowed to operate here. We have a trash problem and it needs sorting, and if we don't then people and campaigns will continue to be greedy and lazy and throw their trash in the streets, but that's not something we should be tolerating.

Well, we can't fix people's greed, what we can do is change ourselves and stop supporting ICO projects with our signatures and our money, at least those which have unknown team members and promise stupidly unrealistic things.

I think in reality, the people who have learned first about Bitcoin and started to support it are really lucky especially if you have become a highly respected member of the forum. For me, you cannot bear the fact that people want to be in your place because you had such a great opportunity even just by participating in the forum. People would really appreciate the forum more because you get to earn from it and I think that's the main reason why people are abusing the forum and because I agree that it's built with money, or should I say cryptocurrency.

Of course, there are a lot of genuine members who just really want to participate in the forum even if without money but it's a benefit to earn while you post.

Welcome to reality 101? You draw it as if greed and the whole money making system is a bad thing. I told you a few times that you have a very subjective, naive and almost nostalgic view on the forums.

This is how the world works in real life, wherever there are opportunities to make money, people are going to flock to them. Please, just please, stop having this needlessly "protective-mother" view on the forum. Why are you so frustrated that people promote ICOs, sigs, whatever.. If a sig campaign just invited you right this hour to post 1000 posts for 1btc weekly, even you might cave in to making a markov chain text bot to post once every 10 minutes.

It's all built on money. All the way from the most elite theymos weekly ad-space, to the lowest scummy ponzi scheme scams. The forum is built on a promise of a virtual currency, and you bet your ass people are going to take every opportunity they get to make some.

Edit : I genuinely want to know why do you care so much about wanting people not to make money off the forums. Like, if the forum is all happy dappy, with nothing but well elaborated posts and articles upon articles of deeply contructed thoughts, what's in it for you? 

Pretty much. Why don't you start one?  Every now and again I get someone messaging me if I want to run one for their company but they usually just waste my time and nothing comes to fruition. Gone are the days where anyone could just sign up and start earning a decent amount in bitcoin straight away. New bitcoin-paying campaigns are a rarity these days and sadly this forum has only really become useful as a place for ICOs to promote themselves for free (which of course they only pay out in tokens they've created for free and destroy the forum in the process with their ineptitude and laziness). I think this board is a pretty good example of where the crypto sphere is going. Greed has taken over and people just use it as a get rich quick scheme not caring how they get their money as long as they do. I predicted sig campaigns would die off at some point, but ICO campaigns will continue on and do damage in the process. Most bitcoin campaigns are just too expensive to run and I'm not sure how much of a return on their investment they see, and when you can get people to do the same but in a token you've created for free it's just too good not to do so why waste any money?

So basically there are no good reputed campaigns currently running which pay in BTC that are accepting new participants and make payments on time.