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What a BS.
Take any feedback left on me, any positive feedback.
You know whats that mean? IT MEANS EXACTLY OF WHAT THEY WROTE
If they wrote "successful trade", MEANS EXACTLY SUCCESSFUL TRADE , two fucking words and nothing else.
And no need to tell me that it means "they trust me for life" , THEY NOT. If someone leaves feedback about a good trade, its means nothing more but that they had a good trade in the past.

You pretend that you are so great and your feedback should be such a valuable that makes me want to ask you;

Tell me names of what people you have sent positive feedback  and guarantee and grant their every action.
tell nicknames of people that you promise to compensate any loses or bad actions done by them.
IF YOU THINK YOUR FEEDBACK MAKES YOU RESPONSIBLE, tell names of what members you will be responsible for.
i would use it as a reference if any future troubles.

I can bet that DT member would be rated by the single transaction because you are idiot who thinks we don't understand what you do, and what attitude you have to people. And how you buy your trust.

Is that mean that trade partners has to respect you but you will not do the same?
or is that mean that you are very great?
Who the fuck you think you are you tiny worm?
You have to learn how to respect people. THANKSLESS fool.
And you believe after such attitude people will keep buying from you? oh my....

YOU ARE THE WORST TRADER AND SELLER EVER.
YOUR ATTITUDE TO YOUR CUSTOMERS IS SHIT.
YOU ARE GOING ONE WAY DOWN

Leaving you a chance to correct yourself providing EXACT post or PRIVATE MESSAGE or what ever other source its was OF WHERE DID I ASKED THAT.

ME? farming trust - user spending 6 digits amounts.
"farming"
BUT YOU - look at yourself fucker. All you do is rating people negative, A FUCKING DETECTIVE? whats the purpose of that? FREE LABOR? OR BUYING TRUST BY "good" actions?
which one of 2???
You sent me feedback without any proof, any knowledge and not hearing my version.
THIS THREAD IS CORRUPTED



Worst that you who have replied or left feedbacks - took Mopar words as granted.

since when we do not need a proof on the words?
his delusional thinking is just his opinion.
 what ever he said - not what i did.
and most funny that he has avoided every question that i asked and chosen to attack me to get my questions to be not that important as now i have to spend time defending myself.
now tell me this thing isnt corrupted

Who told that?
Let's be simple. If i would be on DT , why should i be leaving feedback at all?
Isn't is better to be better secured and not give feedback to anyone?
You have to be idiot not to understand that such rule is a DREAM to DT members.

I also do not care of what personal rules you have and that you believe its OKAY. no, its not.
And what you think, doesnt matter to me.
It is all about if I TURST HIM, and only about that.
IF HE TRUST ME, plays ZERO role in our trades.
so for me to trust him, he has to adjust to my needs. or else he has an option to FUCK OFF
And me , collector, who buys expensive items whant to have a provenence of where did i got them.
PERIOD.

to answer this easily the first part - the "always" was to answer the guy who said I left you negative and then changed it to neutral - I never left a negative.

second - you have to be pretty ignorant to not understand the insinuation you are implying - that I treat others differently than I am treating you - which in fact I do not. You reference asking why I never left feedback for a transaction 2 years ago (one you never did either) which is funny that you even brought it up acting as though I did something wrong by not providing you a positive trust. No I do not trust people on one transaction - do you know how many people have made dozens of transactions in the right way then to make a huge transaction and then run off never paying? It happens a lot. I usually wait for 2-3 sometimes 4. We only had our 3rd transaction last week. I may have waited for one more or I may have given positive in the next week or so. But when a person goes off unhinged questioning my integrity simply because I did not leave positive trust 2 years ago on a single transaction (again note, neither did you - so hypocritical to even question me for what you yourself did as well) and then attacking every free raffle that you do not qualify for because one wanted a review (good or bad) of their design with the entry, another because he offered it only to those that did translation services and then attacking them because the only way to get their item is thru the raffles vs a direct buy. Trust me, I rather just direct buy as well. But that doesn't make them the bad guys or that they have done something wrong - you simply do not like how they do things - you act as though everyone needs to do it "your" way. There is no one way to do anything here - there are some things that are not allowed by the forums - the rest is up in the air and at the discretion of the giver/seller.

Get off your high horse - stop slandering me - stop retaliating for something that was justified - stop attacking all the givers/sellers. Move on.

edit: what are we betting on? what does your collection size/volume (whatever that means)/ and all that other spewed nonsense have to do with anything going on here?



I did not attack you - You kept going on about me treating you differently than others and lamenting over your lack of "feedback" (positive trust rating) So, I left you "feedback" (neutral). Then decided that dealing with you is simply not worth it so told you I would deal with you no further. Your pettiness is enough to warrant that.

and "catch" me? Why do you keep threatening me? Am I supposed to be scared? My reputation of being fair is known. I have never stolen, cheated or wronged anyone. Yes, I have blocked dealings with people who are just too much drama. That is my choice and right to do so.

and version? what are you talking about? there is no version - all of this is public in the collectibles sub forum.

All of this is because you attacked me with your petty insinuation that I "buy" trust ratings because we had one transaction years ago and you didnt get a positive. And then when I gave you a neutral stating that others should beware because if they deal with you and  dont give you a positive, you may do the same to them - it is a fair feedback. You have already proven that you do that.

You are petty and I have no more time to devote to you. I wish you luck in this life and hope you eventually grow up.

OK.

If Mopar neither trusts or distrusts you (that's what a neutral trust means)
And you neither trust or distrust Mopar - or - distrust him...and don't care about what he thinks of you...why are we still in this thread?

I'm failing to see the point of your post. To me, it just seems like you invalidated its entire premises. Or have I misunderstood?


It's clear he's done some serious trades. If anything, he deserves the positive trust he has. I could be wrong, but farming is probably the wrong word, as far as I've read how people define farming here.

He also didn't force Mopar he's just upset that he left him a neutral with negative sentiment instead of reflecting their past trades.

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Anyway. Not sure how I got so invested in this. Seemed simple at first, turned into confusion and the need to look into the details when more free time permits. Ceasing from here (Stack, we can talk by PM instead of posting back and forth, if you want to continue).

Last question.
Hypothetical.
If Mopar would trust me, lets imagine.
Mopar trust me. I send him money. He dies or he runs away. How does "Mopar trust me" thing, would help to recover my money?
Exactly. I do not give a shit if he trust me. It's about if i trust HIM/THEM who provide services.

PERIOD.

 

I actually was being as impartial as I could be, I didn't and still haven't picked a side, I just tried to interpret the threads (which turned out to be way more complex than first read) and posted my thoughts.

I'm still being impartial, I'm on neither side and will be on neither side until my last post.

Not everyone is here to attack you - I'm definitely not here to attack you, or mopart. Just trying to help and later, hopefully mediate too.

It is okay, it just proves my word, that you jumped to the thread and picked side of the legendary member without looking at situation. corruption and leadership is sensible.

good luck

This is becoming a much more complex case than when I initially replied. The difference in what you have both posted is a lot, so give me time to look at everything on the weekend outside of these threads.

When I am done, I'll provide a final post - the only reason i'll do this is because I got myself involved here by adding an opinion.

In the meantime. Chill, please? I'm not attacking you and nor are others. Just trying to give some outside perspective. No need to attack some of us who are trying to be impartial!

If you want, take a break from the computer or go back to business instead of wasting time on posting here. I'll post my opinion based on investigation much further than just these threads, then if you have a problem with it, continue saying what you have to say.

You've expressed a lot over this last 24 hours. I'm offering this only so you can cool down while someone else interprets what you're trying to say in a more interpretable, professional way. Right now it's hard to keep up and hard to read with all of the emotion you're putting into your posts.

All it takes for the legendary member to write anything he want to lead all other members to rate me negative?

Can you please, instead of bullshiting and expressing yourself as you want, point me to EXACT messages where did i asked his trust.

Mopar, you will regret the lies you spread.
i promise you

You wrote that this was for eternity. ALWAYS? 1 day?
Yes i asked this question.
You couldn't answer it but attacked me. Just because you have more weight here you decided to attack the user who asked the question of escrow provider.
i am anon, if you trust me or not. WHO CARES?
but if i trust you - THATS IMPORTANT.
You the one who ask money upfront , right?

SO YOU HAVE TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. or else, FUCK OFF


can you prove your words?
Or another fake feedback?

Thing is that i have much better reputation, collection, trade history or volume than Mopar.
I am not a newbie.

I offered him to bet the money where his mouth is.

asking again. does anyone of you want to bet the money on your words and find out if you can prove it?


Oh really?
Then next time do not attack such individuals or you will be demolished.
I will catch you on telegram one day.
I can bet there is no person in BTC collectibles or counterparty that doesnt know me on telegram.
They will hear my version of story too, not just yours.


Let me be clear, i never asked his feedback.
BUT INSTEAD i asked questions to find out of how he buys his trust.
Mopar is a fool, who has converted my words of telling that he is corrupted and he is chasing for DT in a shady way, and used the situation against me like i was asking something.


JUST A REMINDER THAT FIRST OUR TRADE BETWEEN WE DID ABOUT 3 YEARS AGO, NOW GO AND READ MOPAR FEEDBACK ON ME WHERE YOU WILL FIND THAT HE USED WORD "IMMEDIATE" ON A FUCKING `3 YEAR OLD TRADE

What a fucking disaster all of you are.
Mopar comented and everyone without getting in to the real situation, started rating me or telling that i am bad person.
CHILDISH.


THE EXACT REASON OF WHY MOPAR ATTACKED ME WAS THIS:


Where in my words i forced, asked, insisted of leaving me feedback?

It was irony of telling that he is corrupted AF and he didn't liked to hear that, so he decided to start topic about me telling where i asked something lol.
SHOW THOSE FUCKING POST OR QUOTE ME WHERE DID I ASKED YOU FOR A FEEDBACK. IF YOU WILL NOT SHOW THAT POST MEANS YOU OPENED THE THREAD WITH FALSE STORY AND LIES.

Who told that?
Let's be simple. If i would be on DT , why should i be leaving feedback at all?
Isn't is better to be better secured and not give feedback to anyone?
You have to be idiot not to understand that such rule is a DREAM to DT members.

I also do not care of what personal rules you have and that you believe its OKAY. no, its not.
And what you think, doesnt matter to me.
It is all about if I TURST HIM, and only about that.
IF HE TRUST ME, plays ZERO role in our trades.
so for me to trust him, he has to adjust to my needs. or else he has an option to FUCK OFF
And me , collector, who buys expensive items whant to have a provenence of where did i got them.
PERIOD.



ME? farming trust - user spending 6 digits amounts.
"farming"
BUT YOU - look at yourself fucker. All you do is rating people negative, A FUCKING DETECTIVE? whats the purpose of that? FREE LABOR? OR BUYING TRUST BY "good" actions?
which one of 2???
You sent me feedback without any proof, any knowledge and not hearing my version.
THIS THREAD IS CORRUPTED



Worst that you who have replied or left feedbacks - took Mopar words as granted.

since when we do not need a proof on the words?
his delusional thinking is just his opinion.
 what ever he said - not what i did.
and most funny that he has avoided every question that i asked and chosen to attack me to get my questions to be not that important as now i have to spend time defending myself.
now tell me this thing isnt corrupted

Leaving you a chance to correct yourself providing EXACT post or PRIVATE MESSAGE or what ever other source its was OF WHERE DID I ASKED THAT.


Is that mean that trade partners has to respect you but you will not do the same?
or is that mean that you are very great?
Who the fuck you think you are you tiny worm?
You have to learn how to respect people. THANKSLESS fool.
And you believe after such attitude people will keep buying from you? oh my....

YOU ARE THE WORST TRADER AND SELLER EVER.
YOUR ATTITUDE TO YOUR CUSTOMERS IS SHIT.
YOU ARE GOING ONE WAY DOWN


What a BS.
Take any feedback left on me, any positive feedback.
You know whats that mean? IT MEANS EXACTLY OF WHAT THEY WROTE
If they wrote "successful trade", MEANS EXACTLY SUCCESSFUL TRADE , two fucking words and nothing else.
And no need to tell me that it means "they trust me for life" , THEY NOT. If someone leaves feedback about a good trade, its means nothing more but that they had a good trade in the past.

You pretend that you are so great and your feedback should be such a valuable that makes me want to ask you;

Tell me names of what people you have sent positive feedback  and guarantee and grant their every action.
tell nicknames of people that you promise to compensate any loses or bad actions done by them.
IF YOU THINK YOUR FEEDBACK MAKES YOU RESPONSIBLE, tell names of what members you will be responsible for.
i would use it as a reference if any future troubles.

I can bet that DT member would be rated by the single transaction because you are idiot who thinks we don't understand what you do, and what attitude you have to people. And how you buy your trust.

What a funny guy, he's like telling if his reason to buy a collectible and make a trade with the forum user is to earn positive feedback lol.

I've left a neutral feedback and exclude him in my trust list, I think that's what I can do about this case. Good to see the negative feedbacks on his account were not removed, if not he might commit exit scam since other users will not see him as a bad guy.

I left no negative - it was alway a neutral. I would have left positive if he didnt insuniate that I somehow was treating him different than others with the part about "what is different about the coins they pay with" or something along those lines. up to the middle of last month, we had one interaction. now all of a sudden when he blasting people for running free raffles - it comes up that I never gave him trust for the deal from 2021? when I explained how/why I dont do it off of single deals, he further insulted me. Mind you he also never gave positive trust for the same deal (nor did I expect him to) to me. Kind of hypocritical of him, no?

I simply do not have the time to deal with such individuals so I choose not to. made the post to leave it at that.

I agree with you on that bitbollo and that is why I usually wait until several deals have been successfully concluded.

Personally I hate such discussions when derail, since there is never nothing to gain.
Both for users involved and for community here. We are hobbist, passionate both with collectibles and bitcoin, so we are here (probably) only to have fun and spend quiet time together. Trust feedback and trust list it's a personal choice.

My 2 satoshi: I would never force anyone to left a trust (+) on my profile or to add me in a trust list.
If some one will ask something like this I am always a bit suspicious since we have seen in the past people building trust and then become scammers (No! it's not referred to anyone involved in this discussion/topic)...

If I'm to weigh in after reading both of these threads, the solution seems pretty simple from an outside perspective:

To stackitup:
- Leaving positive feedback is optional, no matter how many trades are done

To MoparMiningLLC
- A neutral is most appropriate - the user might not be posing a trade risk, but the community might need to know that they ask for feedback. Especially considering that you have done successful trades with the user, a neutral seems most appropriate.

(Edit - seems you have already done this, though in StackItUp's thread it mentioned negative was left)

For others...
If you don't trust someone anymore because of asking for feedback, go to your trust settings and add ~Username, leave a neutral if you think the community should know...but if they don't pose any trade risk to others or haven't shown you any kind of red flag at all, a negative trust feedback might be harsh.

This is based on my interpretation of the trust system anyway.

I do  not see any further reason to derail their thread:


Let me address your concerns:

First off - no one has gotten feedback from me for a single transaction - no one.

edited to add this: the feedback system is based on whether you can trust someone - and a single transaction does not always mean you can - this is not like eBay feedback where it is based on each and every transaction. that is why you cannot get 20 trust ratings and it count as 20, it will not count like that here.

Also funny you are complaining I did not give you "feedback" for that transaction from 2 years ago - if you go look you did not do that for me either - nor do I expect you should or would. Just funny to see the hypocrisy.

I do periodically go thru (usually every few months and give feedback to people with numerous transactions - 2 of yours are within the past 60 days - 1 within the past week.

It is funny how you do not want people to put rules on how they do their raffles but you now insist that I must give you feedback?

as for someone asking if you bought those cards - they can review the OP where they were sold.

as it stands now - I will do no further business with you, you are excluded from bidding on anything I raffle or even that I auction or do group buys for. I am here to serve the community and to enjoy myself. Not to banter with a half wit who wants to argue about how people handle their raffles and/or when/how they give feedback.

I am not trolling - I never troll. Now simply GFY