Topic: Stake.com - $1m Race + $1m giveaway - is this user real?! (Read 612 times)

I'm locking this thread. If anyone wants to continue talking about this - please start a new thread. Thank you.

Not going to keep bumping this thread, but you're just making stuff up now.  I know for a fact that there are players who don't stream, have their stats hidden and finished towards the top of the last big race. 

sure i have seen . all of the hidden first ones in race is streamers who their balance get refilled after reaching 0 .
how about Foss? only way we know is from last raffle as they had to show the names . is stake has a system that exclude streamers from participating in races ? i dont think so as even Eddie when he does a stream and play he shows in the race
Foss always there but his account hidden only way to find out go see raffle results he won a lot of prizes in same draw

Streamers are working as an employee of Stake to promote the platform. And you should notice that Stake includes a rule in all of their promotions like this “Stake employees can not participate the challenges/giveaways”. Eddie doesn't pick any of their affiliated streamers in the weekly raffle draw. Have you seen any of those streamers names on the leaderboard of wagering competition? I have asked Stake support about this and they replied

add to it the streamers get sponsored money it means like fake money in the challenges and races they all get first places while gambling with fake money  it will restored when the balance reach 0 instead they just keep a part of the win per the contract with the casino
some streamers revealed such shady things
so imagine you gamble your own money in a a race while a streamer use fake or sponsored money and get firs places

The only shady thing stake is doing would be their multi account policies. Having streamers say, on live stream, that they gamble on different accounts to have "different seeds" while regular players get banned for doing so as it breaks their ToS is shady. Streamer benefits but as far as this user goes it's probably just trainwrecks or roshtein, lol.

I dont think eddie  care about what people think about 1m race

There's a difference between a casino knowing the identity of a player and the players identity being public.  Eddie knows who the player is, he said so during a stream.  Changing accounts is an effective way to prevent the public from figuring out who you are.  Especially if you're a known figure in the crypto community.

Per stake TOS , this point doesnt apply

https://stake.com/policies/anti-money-laundering

"Withdrawal Threshold KYC. Additionally, and independently, every account, wherever or with whomever associated, will be suspended until adequate KYC diligence occurs once that account reaches a withdrawal threshold dependent on the accounts risk characterisation over the life of the account."

Now how much of that stake is implementing , is another question

But, per that rule, stake is NOT anonymous friendly casino anymore.

I know people who have been limited and forced to kyc, this was on sports , however there no separate rules for casino and sports on stake, for now

i haven't left there yet since i m getting every week a full reload worth of something thats better then nothing.but seriously they took 400k$ by  playing from house side with weird abc or 123 😂😂😂 eddies giveaways aee always coded with 123 or abc. its a hint at all.

even with all the bonuses if the players plays on 1% edge i don't think the bonuses will cover 1% edge unless they are lucky .
or if they play on Blackjack which is 0.48% edge then there will be a break even if they follow a strategy to keep the edge at 0.48%  also it needs a lot of time as there no auto play on Blackjack

Fuck me, you're right.  I was off on both ends. Fixed.

Even with my numbers being 10x off, pretty much everyone is still going to be receiving more in weekly, monthly and reloads than whatever prize they ended up winning in the race even if you move them up one spot, and when you add up each players regular bonuses and race prize, that number is going to be at least ~ %0.2 of total wager and less than 1% of total wager, which is the magic number that keeps the house edge in stakes favor.  That's what these raffles and races really are: Stake returning a piece of the house edge.

your calculation is totally wrong
first  0.01%   1$ for every 10k
so i think you did mean   0.1% refund on wager  like the rakeback so its gonna be 1$ for every 1000$ wagered .

secondly  if a person wagered 120m$ it means  he gonna get 120k on weekly boost

if it was 0.01% as you said then they will just get  12000$ for 120m$ wagered 

You have to take into consideration Stake is the biggest crypto casino, probably the biggest casino in the world period when it comes to how much is wagered there on a regular basis.  When you count Prime Dice, they've been around longer than anyone, will process withdraws for hundreds of thousands USD instantly and millions in minutes.  They are obviously making a shitload of money, which makes the thought of scamming someone even for tens of millions of dollars a dumb idea.

Basically, if you want to gamble for millions, there are really only a few options where you don't have to worry about running up a balance so big that the casino would have to decide between going bankrupt and scamming you.  Stake is one of them.

You also have to consider that the people with these ridiculous amounts of crypto likely don't want their identity known.  That includes both their real life identity and online.  Think of how many click bait articles would be written the second anyone confirmed who they were.  If they want to gamble big, it make perfect sense for them to just hop from new account to new account and it makes perfect sense for stake to allow them to do that.  I wouldn't be surprised if the AABB account owner is done with that account already.

You also have to put the amount of money in perspective.  Stake knows how much their players are going to gamble in general, they structure the payouts so that everyone gets somewhere between a few hundredths and a few tenths of a percent of their wager back.

Think of it this way:
(Edit: I did some stupid math initially and my numbers were off by either a decimal or a comma, just went and fixed them)
Weekly boost is a .1% refund on your total wager. $1 for every $1k wagered.
Second and third place in the race paid $120k and $80k.
The players that finished second and third wagered over $120 million.  
That means that during that period, they each were paid over $120k just in weekly boosts.

The 10th place racer received almost $50k in weekly boosts before getting his $10k race prize.  And remember, you don't just get weekly boosts.  There's monthlies and reloads and other bonuses as well.

Point is, the money looks huge to us normal people, but when you put things in perspective, the race prizes are peanuts, which is why accusing Stake of some elaborate scam so they can steal a few hundred k from players they regularly bonus millions is ridiculous.

That is definitely suspicious but you or me and no one can prove it so we should just let it go :/

To a certain extent you're right, there is no hard evidence here, but there is none each way, so it remains vague and maybe we shall leave it this way.

If no one has any objection then I'd get this thread locked, would leave it for another 24-48h to see if anyone has any further additional comments to make and if not - would lock this thread.

It's a crypto casino, you want them to dox the guy or what?

The fact is any casino that runs a wager race could get away with rigging it with fake accounts.

You can't just open a scam accusation because you can't prove a promotion isn't a scam, it diminishes accusations where there's actual evidence that a scam occurred.

If a user collect thousands of tickets by wagering millions of dollars then he will obviously have the higher chance (more than once) to win prizes from the raffle draw. Well, there is no way to prove whether the user is genuine or fake. But Stake have lots of big whale now. No one can deny this fact. And they are running huge giveaways and promotions to attract big players and keep them active. Why they will run fake giveaway! There are also many normal bettors who winning prizes from those raffle and races.

I want add another thing here. User DeepPockets6 has won the second prize from the $1 million race, he joined Stake at 28th December. He is a well known gambler and I have seen that username (DeepPocket...) at Stake or at other casino before. He is really an old big gambler (probably this is his new account at Stake) and he is playing crazily at Stake since last few days. Don't be surprised if you see his name in the next weekly raffle draw few many times.



Lately, crypto gambling activity has increased significantly. Try to observe it at every casino that how much betting activity was there one year ago and how much it has increased now. I believe you are aware of this, as you run an affiliate marketing website. We have to accept these activities without being surprised.

He won 3 times $5k a few days ago:

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49954-50000-giveaway-winners-30/

There is nothing stopping this account from wagering more and more.
The question is if this account is genuine? And no one could answer it.

Is this a scam being run by Stake? Who knows ... they do have a lot of genuine activity so in some way we need to give them the benefit of the doubt, however all those recent "winnings" by this user are raising some flags.

How to take it from here?
There is no way how to take it from here.
The info was given, but no one could really tell if what happened with this $1m giveaway was 100% ok or not.

The user wagered above $300 million within 5 days after joining at Stake. Then he won the first prize of raffle on 25th December. OP created the accusation as the whale took a break (stopped placing bets) after wagering the huge amount in first few days and won the raffle prize. But it wasn't the end actually. The whale wagerd more than $700 million during the race time. It means, the user wagered $400 million more after the raffle draw. If it was a fake user then he wouldn't wager more after 25th December. Because he has ensured the first rank and other users wager wasn't even close to his wager.

I'm not going to consider this as a scam accusation. This is just a suspicion from those people who had a lot of expectation from this $1 million raffle. And it was meant to be, because people were expecting something after wagering a decent amount (more than $50k or $100k). But most (more than 99% user) of them got nothing from the raffle draw.

A whale created an account and wagered $300 million over a couple weeks and then won the wager race and wager based raffle. 

Is there some sort of evidence that this isn't what happened?

If not, this shouldn't be in scam accusations.  There are people with crypto worth ungodly amounts of money.  6,500 btc is worth about $300 million.  A few years ago there were people wagering 6,500 btc at a time.

No, They didn't. They didn't have to wager $300 million to win the prize. Suppose the prize was $50000 and no 1 was wagered $1 Million. To win $50K, a High roller needs to wager $1.01 Million. So, Why they have to wager $300 Million?

For more clearance, I am not supporting the casino by saying this. I am just sharing my experience and what I've seen in the last few years in multiple casinos. I think you got my point. No offense at all.

To add more to your kyc point-

user pmmailmate who is ranked 6 with 54 mil wagered was forced to complete kyc-

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/48920-%F0%9F%92%8Ediamond-iii-member-being-forced-to-verify/#comment-1007204

now any reasonable person would assume user aabb123123 would be made to complete kyc as well, having wagered 300mil+.

if so, did stake complete his full kyc in less then few days ?  as compared to more time it would take for a 'normal user'



did he ever 'stop' wagering before the raffle for 12-24 hours ? if so then i would assume he was put in withdraw only mode just as pmmailmate was , while he passed the kyc.

If aabb123123 never stopped wagering , can we assume he was never made to complete kyc ?

If we assume aabb123123 is a 'real' user , as stake is telling us, either 2 things happened -

1) He registered on december 20 , wagered 314 million in 6 days AND also passed kyc sometime within those 6 days (stake expedited his kyc ?)

2) He registered on december 20, wagered 314 million in 6 days AND never completed kyc

I would vote that (2) is the more likely scenario, in that case how 'gambling responsible' is stake ?

Is stake kyc inhouse or they go through an external company ?

All of the above ofcourse assumes that aabb123123 is not a house account , which is another question in itself

Have they also wagered $300 million in order to win the prize?

I won't say that the user is fake. I used to participate in dice gambling sites Wager contests. Most of the time I saw that I was in the top five or top ten. Before ending the contest, always high rollers show up and they get the grand prize. So, it's not surprising for me. I am used to it. I know some of the high rollers. They don't like to play for a whole week or a whole day. They just want to see the Top players list and how much they wagered, and then high rollers decide if they will try to beat them or not. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. The moral is, They don't want to waste their time. They just do quickly what they want to do.

Since we do not have any proof, we cannot blame them directly for it. If you have any proof, you are welcome.

Keep digging until the truth comes out.

BTW, I follow a Twitch streamer who is genuine as they come has been waiting over a month for a 30k withdrawl. Stake keeps rejecting his notarized documents. He is in Canada so he didnt have to use crypto. This guy has had some massive tilt issues in the past so it appears they keep stalling him in hopes he chunks off the 30k before they finally verify him.  Seriously a fucking month plus to verify and then keep rejecting legit canadian notarized documents.

People say why would they make their own account but lets be real by having a house account to win the mega race and suction off raffle prizes they saved themselves 400k. Well done Stunna.

Stunna,

Are you Eddie or just someone who's related to Stake?

I am trying to believe I am speaking to a honest person (your trust level in Bitcointalk is high and I see it's mainly for signature campaigns where users left you positive feedback). You are saying "this user is indeed real and won fairly". I will get to that "real" part in a second but I must relate to the 2nd part of your own words first.

Regarding "You guys are not even buying tickets to this raffle" - take my account for instance. Wagering $108,000 is "worse" than buying a raffle ticket - and one of the main reasons I did it or any other player would have done it was believing you might have a fair chance winning the raffle. You have people here who deposited thousands of dollars, their hard earned cash - and risked it, time and time again - and you just put it all off by devaluaing what real human beings did here in order to have a fair chance? "You guys are not even buying tickets" - that's a very nasty comment if you ask me.

Now, I'd like to move on and talk about this "real user".

I've been following on this member who joined Stake around 8 days ago.

Here is a screenshot of his position in the race from the 26h of December 2021:



Wagered $315m

Now here is a screenshot of his position in the race from the 27th of December 2021:



Wagered $315m

And here is a screenshot of his position in the race from today, the 28th of December 2021:



Wagered $315m

So this guy found about Stake 8 days ago, wagered like crazy over $300 million, and now after the Christmas giveaway is done and no one (or let's say no genuine account holder) can beat him to win the other $1m race that is ending in a few days - then he decided to stop wagering?

If this is a genuine account then I'd assume the adrenaline, the rush, something might have persuaded him to keep on betting with Stake, as he literally used the site to wager $300 million ... I remind you - you are the one in this thread saying "this user is indeed real" - perhap it's a real Stake employee, which is a real human being being behind the account - I am trying to analyze your words, and what you're trying to convey here.

I'd like to point the readers towards other posts in Stake's forum itself e.g.

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49609-scale-from-1-10-how-disappointed-were-u-in-the-stake-christmas-promos/page/5/#comment-1020748

"4B wagering in just 3 weeks, that's  bigger than any big time casinos like MGM or Winn.. There are very good investigative videos exposing Roobet's shady practices on youtube. I am sure some federal agency is going to be noticing about this site very soon.."

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49609-scale-from-1-10-how-disappointed-were-u-in-the-stake-christmas-promos/page/5/#comment-1021488

"Would have been better to actually not give us anything than saying million dollar prize and they open fake account to claim that prize."

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49607-1000000-christmas-raffle/page/3/#comment-1021201

"aabb123123 came out of nowhere, wagered 315 million in 5 days, won most of the giveaway money and on the way to win the race as well, and suddenly he decided to stop wagering. Also the username kinda give us a idea this account is made intentionally to get the winnings, i mean if some whale made an account to gamble, they would have given a username that made sense other than a random one.. Oh and btw he only placed 6k bets to get that much of a wager and eddie said he cashed out huge. It doesn't add up how and when all of this happen when cashing out after a huge win would require kyc and it would take atleast a week to sort it out as far as i have seen in the past! Correct me if i am wrong but this doesn't look alright to me!"

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49688-aabb123123/

Just read the thread.

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49688-aabb123123/

"Oh and btw he only placed 6k bets to get that much of a wager and eddie said he cashed out huge. It doesn't add up how and when all of this happen when cashing out after a huge win would require kyc and it would take atleast a week to sort it out as far as i have seen in the past! Correct me if i am wrong but this doesn't look alright to me!"

Cashing out so fast without KYC, lol. And 6k bets worth 300 million, thats 50k per bet on average. And then he suddenly stopped. Haha, who are we kidding here.

This is a money launder scheme performed by stake, not more and not less. Only victim are the players who got robbed by their chance of winning the raffle, even if the chance was small, this scheme made it MUCH smaller.

Edit: By the way, ever since the raffle draw there wasn't 1 twitter post made by stake, in over 50 hours. Before that there were several a day. Guess they already know the storm will continue there.

IMHO, This is not shady but rather a rare scenario. A whale can go all out if the prize is like that since they can recover there loss when they win the grand prize. Since gambling is just a 50% chance winning probability, They might win along the way too that's way a whale like him can bet ashit tons of money without any hesitation since he knows that there will be a prize at the end incase he loss.
Having that in mind, A whale can possibly bet insane amount for a short period of time.

But of course there's still a possibility that there's really shady activity happening in the background but we should not conclude unless there's a solid evidence supporting the accusation.

I dunno you are forgetting about this piece of hard hitting evidence:

The Guy is TrainwrecksTV on Twitch check him out but 300 Million Wager i dunno bro

all the proof you have is just that he created an account 5 days ago, it shouldn't even be in this section for lack of proof, honestly it looks like people who didn't win anything are irritated with the stake, I saw someone's post complaining about same thing

I'm not really surprised by their suspicions(even if they are already against stake.com). wagering $300million in such a short time is extremely ridiculous(at least for me). anyway, just like what RapTarX said, there is really no way to verify whether the account is owned by stake or not(at least not that I know of).

It's not the first time Stake is having such a giveaway; did we ever have any shady activities from stake? I guess I haven't seen any. I would say it's someone a real user.
Now, even if the user isn't real; in that case, a user made by stake.com, is there a way to verify this? I guess no. We can discuss, argue for a long time but as long as stake don't say it's a fake user, it's not a fake user.
By the way, how logical is it to have a $300 million wager within 5 days? I don't play big; I don't have much knowledge of this. I mostly prefer sports betting.

Yes this user is indeed real, the implication that we would create a fake account to try and cheat users out of 100k of the millions in crypto given away to players this month without evidence is ridiculous. This user has been doing some massive wagering the past week and won fairly.

You guys are not even buying tickets to this raffle this is an incentive for players on top of all the regular bonuses, this reaction is disappointing.

See:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58819819

All users were revealed when the giveaway was done, there was no privacy and good thing there isn't any. Scammers try to make things look genuine by nature and even if he was hidden it wouldn't have taken too many efforts to find out who the user is - the list of the 90+1 winners are here, no one was "hidden".

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49607-1000000-christmas-raffle/

One more thing, mcalculator - you said:
"proven in blockchain" - there is no "blockchain" for Stake... These bets are not Bitcoin bets you can find on the Bitcoin explorer.

Please, if anyone wishes to respond, please do respond with logical, coherent and with a response that makes sense.

Their moderators are locking topics that discuss this in their own community now, why?!

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49615--/#comment-1020263
(This is locked, OP had to edit his post, read the entire conversation there)

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49621-winners/#comment-1020269
(Complaint about locking threads)

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49609-scale-from-1-10-how-disappointed-were-u-in-the-stake-christmas-promos/page/3/#comment-1020228
("Whole stake community is in agreement that the Xmas promos sucked balls, and we all got fucked on the raffle by a house account.")

This is not right!

Maybe Stake's sponsors should be alarmed and aware of what is being swept under the rug!

Yet another gorgeous marketing move from stake, they should work on their ability to make shady things not too obvious though.

300 million in 5 days, hahaha. Classic stake.

By the way, just reading this "user" was betting $300m on HI-LO, some users spotted him doing it:

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49609-scale-from-1-10-how-disappointed-were-u-in-the-stake-christmas-promos/#comment-1020039

Also another user said in that thread "oh yes also most of eddies promo codes are always abc123...."

And a small correction - this user also won several $10k prizes as it was possible for the same user to win more than once!

This is looking to be extremely shady, hands down.

Stake had a $1,000,000 giveaway today, Christmas day, where 90 users won $10k each and 1 user won $100,000.

So the winners of the $1,000,000 giveaway were posted less than 1 hour ago here:

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/49607-1000000-christmas-raffle/

The user who won $100,000 is someone who "joined" Stake 5 days ago and managed to wager already over $300,000,000 ($300 million):



You can also see he is "leading" the other $1,000,000 race as you can see how much he wagered so far:



Now,

Do you want to tell us that this user who simply joined 5 days ago was able to wager $300,000,000 just like that, and because of that he got so many Xmas tickets - he also managed to win the $100,000 today?!

As someone in that thread itself in Stake's forum says:

Compare the 100k winner to Ayezee. One of the biggest streamers out there. This guy wagered the same in 5 days, as Ayezee did the last 5 months. Something is not right.

So can anyone explain if this is real or is this a fake user?

Becuase, if this is a fake user - then why don't Stake explain it?

If this does look to you genuine then hats off but honestly it's extremely difficult to believe that someone can simply pop up 5 days ago, wager $300 million and win the big bucks!