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Logs are indicating that you are using a popular VPN, which is causing wrong cashout value and before successful cashout, the page must be refreshed/updated to show the right value at the moment.
This is a common problem for VPN users regarding cashout since their page is updating slowly due to a lot of players "from the same IP" getting rate limited. This was explained to you by support, I recommend not using a VPN in the future if you want more reliability around cashing out.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 07, 2021, 08:57:36 PM

I think what Darko is saying is that it wasn't a glitch. The 10 rejected bets were rejected because the price was wrong, then it updated and was accepted.

In the end, youre claiming at the exact moment the cashout was accepted, Karatzev was 1.75 and Swiatek was 1.3. Darko says Karatzev was 3.5 and Swiatek 2.1

If Darkos numbers are accurate, then your 2700 payout wasn't a glitch, it was just an offer with almost 40% vig (cashouts are almost always horrible 40% is believable from what I've seen offered).

If your numbers are right you should be able to line up the time the cashout happened with the current state of each match in real time. Both Karatzev and Swiatek went from favorites to underdogs at some point, and it happened before Sinner started to melt down, but after your bet was cashed out.

Also, don't blame your vip host or argue with them about this. It's not their fault, there's nothing they can do, and it's just dumb to be anything but nice to them.

This is exactly it

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Stake should have some independent dispute resolution system, where someone can mediate problems like this. It cannot be productive to wash clothing in the public like this, because it is surely bad publicity if a Diamond player are turning to a public forum to try and resolve his/her problem.

I even see there are a Reddit page, where people are bashing Stake.com for things that has happened and Eddie read some of those complaints during one of his Stream sessions. Surely some compromise can be done to mediate an issue like this, so that both parties can be satisfied with the outcome. Roll Eyes

My advice... try and resolve your issues with Steve (he can also be a great guy, if you are nice to him) and see if you can come to some kind of agreement. (Bad blood, bring bad luck) Wink

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 08, 2021, 08:40:37 AM

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Quote from: timerland on September 07, 2021, 11:05:09 PM

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Here’s a response from my useless VIP host 60 hours later.

https://ibb.co/K6j9LH0

I'm not sure what you expect him to do?

He's probably not lying here.

A company as large as Stake obviously will have security considerations and VIP hosts will probably have different access privileges to the site content compared to the rest of the support team. It's a bit unreasonable to expect someone who is not specialised in this field to be able to assist you.

A VIP Host should have powers to pull a players value into the equation. In any major vegas strip casino this would be settled on the spot with one call to a real host.
That would be in questionable spots. In this particular situation host to should contact casino manager for complete review of why player hasn't be compensated for a site fault.

This is not true. No host would get involved with a dispute between one of their players and their employer (meaning any pit boss or sports book manager). At most they would give you something to calm you down (like a meal or something) and a phone number to reach someone who can look into it. And if you kept arguing with the host, you wouldn't have one much longer.

I assume OP was at my level of play not some kiddies game type gambling. once you start betting 2k+ for millions of turnover a host job is to keep you coming back no matter what.
At a proper gambling organisation a host should work for general manager or shift manager. I know what I'm talking about and have been around the traps long enough on both sides.
A host doesn't argue with you at this level.

My original point is Stake have host but should call them customer service reps, because they do a poor job keeping high stake players for example this thread.

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Quote from: ralle14 on September 04, 2021, 10:45:48 PM

I mean it happens every now and then, at least you're able to cash out your bet throughout that downtime. It would've ended as a loss if that cashout of yours didn't came through.

I have to agree with you about the cashouts sometimes they work smoothly but there are times where you have to spam it several times until it registers on their end. My only issue with their odds provider is that whenever you're about to bet on a live match there are tendencies where live scores bugs out and provides inaccurate scores for quite a while and at the same time it affects the cashouts and live markets.

And the fact is that the bets we placed seemed to be late in placing the score, late or indeed there was no arrangement that we should have bet before the score appeared and that made us draw back the score prediction for the match.

Several times asking to become spam will indeed come to the surface and be prioritized for an immediate response by Stake.com support. If this is not addressed, there will be more and more spam just jostling for the top listed.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 08, 2021, 08:40:37 AM

Quote from: win win win on September 08, 2021, 04:18:16 AM

Quote from: timerland on September 07, 2021, 11:05:09 PM

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Here’s a response from my useless VIP host 60 hours later.

https://ibb.co/K6j9LH0

I'm not sure what you expect him to do?

He's probably not lying here.

A company as large as Stake obviously will have security considerations and VIP hosts will probably have different access privileges to the site content compared to the rest of the support team. It's a bit unreasonable to expect someone who is not specialised in this field to be able to assist you.

A VIP Host should have powers to pull a players value into the equation. In any major vegas strip casino this would be settled on the spot with one call to a real host.
That would be in questionable spots. In this particular situation host to should contact casino manager for complete review of why player hasn't be compensated for a site fault.

This is not true. No host would get involved with a dispute between one of their players and their employer. At most they would give you something to calm you down (like a meal or something) and a phone number to reach someone who can look into it.

I disagree with you on both comments.

1-Dude, what you’re saying makes no sense. If the price cashout was outdated, that means I would have had to refresh my browser, which I never did once the last got accepted. Scam radar scammed me and scam stake backed it up by scamming me and not refunding me peanuts. At the end of the day, they lose my business.

2- This has happened in the past when EDDIE was my host and be refunded me within seconds. Steve is just useless and knows nothing about sports. He thinks his only job is to send cashback and reset reloads. Guys a clown, always has been and always will be.

1 - You don't have to refresh your browser for the lines to update.
2 - Eddie the co founder of Stake.

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Quote from: win win win on September 08, 2021, 04:18:16 AM

Quote from: timerland on September 07, 2021, 11:05:09 PM

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Here’s a response from my useless VIP host 60 hours later.

https://ibb.co/K6j9LH0

I'm not sure what you expect him to do?

He's probably not lying here.

A company as large as Stake obviously will have security considerations and VIP hosts will probably have different access privileges to the site content compared to the rest of the support team. It's a bit unreasonable to expect someone who is not specialised in this field to be able to assist you.

A VIP Host should have powers to pull a players value into the equation. In any major vegas strip casino this would be settled on the spot with one call to a real host.
That would be in questionable spots. In this particular situation host to should contact casino manager for complete review of why player hasn't be compensated for a site fault.

This is not true. No host would get involved with a dispute between one of their players and their employer (meaning any pit boss or sports book manager). At most they would give you something to calm you down (like a meal or something) and a phone number to reach someone who can look into it. And if you kept arguing with the host, you wouldn't have one much longer.

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Quote from: LimLims on September 08, 2021, 12:22:43 AM

Quote from: zanezane on September 06, 2021, 10:55:46 AM

You should make a Scam Accusations thread about this OP, that's the appropriate board for this kind of stuff and don't forget to follow the format that's pinned at the top of the board.

This type of case doesn’t belong to scam accusations thread i guess.
It’s not the site fault directly. Their bets and odds provider unable to handle too many operations at the same time.
So if the stake team will look into this matter seriously and conclude that the player has got some financial losses due to them, then i am sure they gonna make a refund.
Stake and PD are quite reputable here, so we should look about the info from both the sides.

Exactly maybe he just blame his losses to stake since for what I see here provably he came up to the point that he chase his loses and now he encounter more losing streak for betting more and more for thinking that he can recover his money. This situation is normal so maybe its good for OP or other gambler to not let their self eaten by their greed since we can possibly experience a heavy losing streak specially if we are playing on our bad days.

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Quote from: timerland on September 07, 2021, 11:05:09 PM

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Here’s a response from my useless VIP host 60 hours later.

https://ibb.co/K6j9LH0

I'm not sure what you expect him to do?

He's probably not lying here.

A company as large as Stake obviously will have security considerations and VIP hosts will probably have different access privileges to the site content compared to the rest of the support team. It's a bit unreasonable to expect someone who is not specialised in this field to be able to assist you.

A VIP Host should have powers to pull a players value into the equation. In any major vegas strip casino this would be settled on the spot with one call to a real host.
That would be in questionable spots. In this particular situation host to should contact casino manager for complete review of why player hasn't be compensated for a site fault.

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Quote from: zanezane on September 06, 2021, 10:55:46 AM

You should make a Scam Accusations thread about this OP, that's the appropriate board for this kind of stuff and don't forget to follow the format that's pinned at the top of the board.

This type of case doesn’t belong to scam accusations thread i guess.
It’s not the site fault directly. Their bets and odds provider unable to handle too many operations at the same time.
So if the stake team will look into this matter seriously and conclude that the player has got some financial losses due to them, then i am sure they gonna make a refund.
Stake and PD are quite reputable here, so we should look about the info from both the sides.

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Did you made a thread on Scam Accusations about them? If not then probably you should do one because that's the proper board for this kind of thing and you also have to understand that you need to follow the accusations format and you also need to provide evidence. Good luck OP, hope you can get your money back.

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Cmon man, the odds didn’t just magically update and decide to accept my cashout attempt at a significantly lower price after 10 failed attempts. It’s a clear glitch.

I don't think this is that crazy of a possibility:

The odds displayed were not up to date for about 1 minute. During that minute, you spammed the cashout button (just like everyone does) hoping it would go through. You kept clicking, the odds updated, and it accepted the cashout at the odds Darko mentioned.

I'm not saying I know that's what happened, but the whole "it was either magic or a glitch" argument isn't making sense.

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Here’s a response from my useless VIP host 60 hours later.

https://ibb.co/K6j9LH0

I'm not sure what you expect him to do?

He's probably not lying here.

A company as large as Stake obviously will have security considerations and VIP hosts will probably have different access privileges to the site content compared to the rest of the support team. It's a bit unreasonable to expect someone who is not specialised in this field to be able to assist you.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 06, 2021, 11:49:51 AM

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Here’s an explanation from a “Sportsbook Manager” who hates my guts and will do everything in his power to make sure he screws me over.

Isnt it funny that he’s ignoring the 10 rejected cashouts at 1.165X but he’s saying the one 15 seconds later for 0.883X was “correct”

What an absolute joke!

For the record, I’ve never used a VPN

Did you check the lines anywhere else?

It's possible that the lines you saw when you were trying to cash out and getting rejected were not accurate, and then they updated while you were spamming the cash out button.

Yes I did.

However, the odds would be irrelevant at this point because I had 10 rejected cashouts at 1.165X (within 60 seconds) and magically 15 seconds later it gives me 0.883X

The system scammed me due to a glitch and they are just ignoring that completely.

I should be given the difference. I’m not even sure why it has gotten to this point.

They could've been rejected because they were the wrong price or one or more matches had a pending action, right? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't see how the fact that you had a bunch of rejected attempts at one price is proof that the price you got seconds later was wrong.

Dude I understand what you are saying. But let’s be realistic here. 10 rejected attempts at a good price and seconds later it glitches and gives me half the amount. I have cashed out plenty of bets, this is 100% a scam

I think what Darko is saying is that it wasn't a glitch. The 10 rejected bets were rejected because the price was wrong, then it updated and was accepted.

In the end, youre claiming at the exact moment the cashout was accepted, Karatzev was 1.75 and Swiatek was 1.3. Darko says Karatzev was 3.5 and Swiatek 2.1

If Darkos numbers are accurate, then your 2700 payout wasn't a glitch, it was just an offer with almost 40% vig (cashouts are almost always horrible 40% is believable from what I've seen offered).

If your numbers are right you should be able to line up the time the cashout happened with the current state of each match in real time. Both Karatzev and Swiatek went from favorites to underdogs at some point, and it happened before Sinner started to melt down, but after your bet was cashed out.

Also, don't blame your vip host or argue with them about this. It's not their fault, there's nothing they can do, and it's just dumb to be anything but nice to them.

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Here’s a response from my useless VIP host 60 hours later.

https://ibb.co/K6j9LH0

Their job title should be changed. Such poor treatment of a customer.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 06, 2021, 02:27:10 PM

Quote from: ralle14 on September 04, 2021, 10:45:48 PM

I mean it happens every now and then, at least you're able to cash out your bet throughout that downtime. It would've ended as a loss if that cashout of yours didn't came through.

I have to agree with you about the cashouts sometimes they work smoothly but there are times where you have to spam it several times until it registers on their end. My only issue with their odds provider is that whenever you're about to bet on a live match there are tendencies where live scores bugs out and provides inaccurate scores for quite a while and at the same time it affects the cashouts and live markets.

See if the whole system is allowing you to encash then it does mean that at least they are hanging you out on a minor issue that might be from your side. I do think that you need to contact the support team and you need to post this into spam accusations too. At the same time you in have to make sure to keep this topic open. I do think that if they did accept the bet then there was nothing wrong in the first place and it's their fault also therefore, I do think the only way you will be able to go through the whole thing is if you are able to get through the support team and hear their explanation and you can always get the authorities involved if you are not satisfied if the whole thing is legal in your country.

It's called scam accusations.
Beside you think he didn't contact support before he posted this post ?
Did you even read his problem?

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Quote from: ralle14 on September 04, 2021, 10:45:48 PM

I mean it happens every now and then, at least you're able to cash out your bet throughout that downtime. It would've ended as a loss if that cashout of yours didn't came through.

I have to agree with you about the cashouts sometimes they work smoothly but there are times where you have to spam it several times until it registers on their end. My only issue with their odds provider is that whenever you're about to bet on a live match there are tendencies where live scores bugs out and provides inaccurate scores for quite a while and at the same time it affects the cashouts and live markets.

See if the whole system is allowing you to encash then it does mean that at least they are hanging you out on a minor issue that might be from your side. I do think that you need to contact the support team and you need to post this into spam accusations too. At the same time you in have to make sure to keep this topic open. I do think that if they did accept the bet then there was nothing wrong in the first place and it's their fault also therefore, I do think the only way you will be able to go through the whole thing is if you are able to get through the support team and hear their explanation and you can always get the authorities involved if you are not satisfied if the whole thing is legal in your country.

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Quote from: bitgov on September 06, 2021, 12:40:44 PM

Quote from: Chathusand on September 06, 2021, 12:19:23 PM

Your cashout request has been accepted, according to the last communication. In this scenario, I'm not sure why you'll lose. In this instance, seek clarification from the support team, particularly from those who are active on the forum. I don't use stake.com, therefore I don't have much information, however after accepting a bet, it's not fair to make a loser if the bet ultimately loses.

Cashout request accepted, but too late. In this situation, the player tried to withdraw 10 times when the odds were higher. He couldn't do this because the website had a technical problem. A strange coincidence is here, because withdrawal request was accepted several seconds after the odds dropped significantly.

This right here. Well said. Absolutely bang on.

That’s the key. After all the rejected attempts within 60 seconds the system ultimately accepts the request seconds later at a much lower price.

IMO this should have been rectified on the spot and not even brought to a forum for a dispute.

To be honest, I'm not sure on whose side the mistake is. Whether on the side of the odds provider or on the side of the bookmaker.
But it seems to me that if this was a technical problem with the website then it should be explained by Stake.com.
It is strange that they do not want to clearly respond to your complaint. I think you should keep trying until they give you clear answer what happened, or just admit that the mistake is on their side.

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Quote from: Chathusand on September 06, 2021, 12:19:23 PM

Your cashout request has been accepted, according to the last communication. In this scenario, I'm not sure why you'll lose. In this instance, seek clarification from the support team, particularly from those who are active on the forum. I don't use stake.com, therefore I don't have much information, however after accepting a bet, it's not fair to make a loser if the bet ultimately loses.

Cashout request accepted, but too late. In this situation, the player tried to withdraw 10 times when the odds were higher. He couldn't do this because the website had a technical problem. A strange coincidence is here, because withdrawal request was accepted several seconds after the odds dropped significantly.

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Your cashout request has been accepted, according to the last communication. In this scenario, I'm not sure why you'll lose. In this instance, seek clarification from the support team, particularly from those who are active on the forum. I don't use stake.com, therefore I don't have much information, however after accepting a bet, it's not fair to make a loser if the bet ultimately loses.

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Dude I understand what you are saying. But let’s be realistic here. 10 rejected attempts at a good price and seconds later it glitches and gives me half the amount. I have cashed out plenty of bets, this is 100% a scam

This is a very strange situation, but unfortunately such coincidences also happen. I think that this is how STAKE.COM support will explain this situation.
If you feel you are being ignored and feel the need to do so, you can create a "Scam Accussation" here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0
Maybe it will help you speed up the clarification of this case.

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