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Topic: Start9 Node not Reachable by Network. TP-Link AX1500 Router problem? (Read 91 times)

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From quick google search, Starlink use CGNAT which makes it's impossible to receive incoming connection. You'll need to use either Tor or VPN (which accept incoming connection or allow opening port) as workaround.

This is directly from Starlink:

The Starlink public IPv4 policy is an optional configuration available to Priority and Mobile Priority customers. A public IPv4 is reachable from any device on the Internet and is assigned to Starlink network clients using DHCP. Although truly static IPs are not available, a reservation system retains the public IPv4 address and IPv6 prefix even when the system is off or rebooted. However, relocating the Starlink or software updates may change these addresses. Public IPv4 address are not available for Standard and Mobile plans. The public IPv4 option can be enabled from the account dashboard, see instructions here. Note: Starlink WiFi routers do not support port forwarding or firewall rules for IPv4 or IPv6.

Now if the Starlink router is in Bridge mode...  Would my TP-Link router be able to use any static IP address assigned (if I pay the extra amount I assume the Premium plan does)?
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I don't know who said that you must allow incoming connections. This is not true.
In fact, when a connection is established you send and receive date regardless of who initiated the connection.
If the initiator was you, then it's an outgoing connection, if it wasn't you then it's an incoming connection.
But, after it's established, everything works properly.

Thanks. I have to admit my knowledge of how the Bitcoin network works is going to show here... because what I don't understand is how a Node announces itself on the network and says "Oh hi, I have a copy of the full blockchain if anyone wants it".

The youtuber that said you need to open both ports also showed on Bitcoin Core how to show how many connections you have going in and out and it was different once he opened the inbound port.

But I can't seem to find a way to get to that screen he displayed, not on my Start9 setup, anyway.

The best way to allow incoming connections without messing with port configuration, as for this you may need assistance and permission from your ISP, is to allow TOR.

Do I have to do anything on my router to allow that? Because it *seems* like I can do TOR from any other machine.

Thanks for the reply and the info.
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From quick google search, Starlink use CGNAT which makes it's impossible to receive incoming connection. You'll need to use either Tor or VPN (which accept incoming connection or allow opening port) as workaround.

When you say VPN, do you mean running VPN on the Start9 node, or running VPN on the Router?

I mean VPN on your device (Start9 node), although theoretically VPN on the router should also work.

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Now if the Starlink router is in Bridge mode...  Would my TP-Link router be able to use any static IP address assigned (if I pay the extra amount I assume the Premium plan does)?

On theory, yes since TP-Link AX1500 claim to support port forwarding. But i'm not familiar with Starlink device/internet package, so you may want ask this question (port forwarding / accept incoming connection) on Starlink community.
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Yes, you are right about Starlink using CGNAT. I got in contact with them and they gave me some reading to do but they summerised it as:

Starlink offers two IPv4 configurations: 'default' and 'public.' The 'default' setting uses Carrier-Grade NAT (CGNAT) with private addresses, while the 'public' option provides a publicly reachable IPv4 address for certain plans. Starlink also supports native IPv6 for all routers and service plans, ensuring IPv6 addresses are assigned to compatible devices.

So I'll have a read and find out what they mean by "certain plans" for the public address.

From quick google search, Starlink use CGNAT which makes it's impossible to receive incoming connection. You'll need to use either Tor or VPN (which accept incoming connection or allow opening port) as workaround.

When you say VPN, do you mean running VPN on the Start9 node, or running VPN on the Router?

The problem with the latter is that there are so many websites (including this very forum) that marks the exit point IPs as being "bad" and thus can screw your internet experience... I don't think having EVERYTHING going through VPN (even though that sounds ideal) is a workable reality. Only becuase if a site does have a problem, then it would annoy me to have to dive into the route config to turn it off and on again.



I don't know who said that you must allow incoming connections. This is not true.
In fact, when a connection is established you send and receive date regardless of who initiated the connection.
If the initiator was you, then it's an outgoing connection, if it wasn't you then it's an incoming connection.
But, after it's established, everything works properly.

Thanks. I have to admit my knowledge of how the Bitcoin network works is going to show here... because what I don't understand is how a Node announces itself on the network and says "Oh hi, I have a copy of the full blockchain if anyone wants it".

The youtuber that said you need to open both ports also showed on Bitcoin Core how to show how many connections you have going in and out and it was different once he opened the inbound port.

But I can't seem to find a way to get to that screen he displayed, not on my Start9 setup, anyway.

The best way to allow incoming connections without messing with port configuration, as for this you may need assistance and permission from your ISP, is to allow TOR.

Do I have to do anything on my router to allow that? Because it *seems* like I can do TOR from any other machine.

Thanks for the reply and the info.



From quick google search, Starlink use CGNAT which makes it's impossible to receive incoming connection. You'll need to use either Tor or VPN (which accept incoming connection or allow opening port) as workaround.

This is directly from Starlink:

The Starlink public IPv4 policy is an optional configuration available to Priority and Mobile Priority customers. A public IPv4 is reachable from any device on the Internet and is assigned to Starlink network clients using DHCP. Although truly static IPs are not available, a reservation system retains the public IPv4 address and IPv6 prefix even when the system is off or rebooted. However, relocating the Starlink or software updates may change these addresses. Public IPv4 address are not available for Standard and Mobile plans. The public IPv4 option can be enabled from the account dashboard, see instructions here. Note: Starlink WiFi routers do not support port forwarding or firewall rules for IPv4 or IPv6.

Now if the Starlink router is in Bridge mode...  Would my TP-Link router be able to use any static IP address assigned (if I pay the extra amount I assume the Premium plan does)?
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except I'm running Bitcoin Knots rather than Bitcoin Core. (I wonder if that could also be a cause of the problem?)

Bitcoin Knots is fork of Bitcoin Core with some extra features. I doubt it's cause of the problem.

Things I have tried:
- Yes I do run a VPN on my laptop and so when I ran the Reachable test, the IP address was wrong.
- I turned VPN off and got the proper external IP (as provided by https://whatismyipaddress.com/) of my router... Well, now that I think of it...
- I am running Starlink... But the Starlink Router is in Bridge mode... But does that mean it would pass all port requests through to my router?

I didn't want to have the Starlink router as my DHCP and all that, in case I changed service providers (again), but maybe I should? Thoughts?

From quick google search, Starlink use CGNAT which makes it's impossible to receive incoming connection. You'll need to use either Tor or VPN (which accept incoming connection or allow opening port) as workaround.
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I saw in another thread someone suggesting to run NMAP which I have done and the results are interesting in that it doesn't list Port 8333 open on the Start9 machine. Here are the pertinent results:

Daylight Time
Nmap scan report for 10.0.0.21
Host is up (0.0035s latency).
Not shown: 996 closed tcp ports (reset)
PORT     STATE SERVICE
22/tcp   open  ssh
80/tcp   open  http
443/tcp  open  https
9050/tcp open  tor-socks
MAC Address: D8:9E:F3:86:DF:FB (Dell)
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I don't know who said that you must allow incoming connections. This is not true.
In fact, when a connection is established you send and receive date regardless of who initiated the connection.
If the initiator was you, then it's an outgoing connection, if it wasn't you then it's an incoming connection.
But, after it's established, everything works properly.

The best way to allow incoming connections without messing with port configuration, as for this you may need assistance and permission from your ISP, is to allow TOR.
You don't have to run a node over TOR only, but you can both have clearnet and TOR connections.
You 'll find plenty of tutorials for this, but if you need help, ask here.
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I have a Start 9 node that is working well (can certainly recommend it from a non-technical viewpoint) and I can use Sparrow Wallet to connect to ElectRS, and all that kind of thing. So as far as I know, it is configured (largely the defaults) correctly, except I'm running Bitcoin Knots rather than Bitcoin Core. (I wonder if that could also be a cause of the problem?)

Anyway, I saw on a YT video about ensuring your node is reachable by the network, otherwise you're just a "leach" and so I followed the instructions on opening Port 8333 on my router which is a TP-Link AX1500. I'd insert a screenshot here but seems a bit painful to do in this forum... But rest assured I know how to open ports and have done it many times. (First assign a fixed IP to the Node, then in the Port Forwarding section enter in the Name, IP address and the internal and external ports and All protocols.)

But, when I check if the Node is reachable on this site:  https://bitnodes.io/#join-the-network
It says it is not reachable. Devastated.

Things I have tried:
- Yes I do run a VPN on my laptop and so when I ran the Reachable test, the IP address was wrong.
- I turned VPN off and got the proper external IP (as provided by https://whatismyipaddress.com/) of my router... Well, now that I think of it...
- I am running Starlink... But the Starlink Router is in Bridge mode... But does that mean it would pass all port requests through to my router?

I didn't want to have the Starlink router as my DHCP and all that, in case I changed service providers (again), but maybe I should? Thoughts?

Would certainly appreciate help so I can be a contributing member of the network.

Thanks.



I saw in another thread someone suggesting to run NMAP which I have done and the results are interesting in that it doesn't list Port 8333 open on the Start9 machine. Here are the pertinent results:

Daylight Time
Nmap scan report for 10.0.0.21
Host is up (0.0035s latency).
Not shown: 996 closed tcp ports (reset)
PORT     STATE SERVICE
22/tcp   open  ssh
80/tcp   open  http
443/tcp  open  https
9050/tcp open  tor-socks
MAC Address: D8:9E:F3:86:DF:FB (Dell)
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