Topic: steps to make paypal transactions safer (Read 860 times)

i know it can't be fool proof as long as there are humans involved. do tell more about this digital goods and services invoice if you have experience with such transactions.

Non of the options you mentioned is a fool proof solution of not being charge backed. There is nothing one can do by verifying everything. the best is to raise a invoice from PayPal for a digital goods or service and make the other party pay via that invoice.

Digital goods and services are not covered under Paypal Policy and cannot be charged back.

afaik paypal balance can be seen here https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/wallet and the email can be seen here https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/settings/
i don't know a paypal page that shows the balance and the email together.
i would recommend TeamViewer or video live stream to see the balance, the profile name, the email address and the country where the user registered the account.

I ould better stay away from paypal transactions if I have to do this much !. There is one safe way I know . Let me point it out.
1. Paypal holder sends balance screenshot with email id.
2. Paypal acceptor sends email asking if the person was satisfied with his services.
3. If paypal holder says a 'yes' in the email (which he has to do before transaction else there is no way out) then you wil win chargeback if he makes one.

Source :  Paypal Customer Care

The customer care guys asks to take conduct an email conversation so that you have a written proof.

that is your opinion. people come to this subforum thinking they can make easy money. some do, some get scammed. i hope with this thread less people will get scammed.

WRONG SECTIOIN TO POST SUCH A THREAD/POST

added a new step (6).

i would recommend step 5 above, ask him to show you his paypal account via teamviewer
ask him to show you his activity (https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/activity) for the last 90 days (or whatever time frame you feel like), check for any refunds.
ask him to show you his wallet (https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/wallet) to make sure the money he wants to trade you are in his PayPal balance.
i would also ask him to go to https://www.paypal.com/selfhelp/contact/email and watch the address bar of the browser how it changes. It will change to include the country the PayPal address was created in. If he is in another country (based on his ip), if he is a scammer, he could request a refund and could say that his account has been hacked and accessed from a different country than his own.
ask him to send you a test e-mail from the e-mail account he created the PayPal account on, or even better, you send him an e-mail, and have him reply to that e-mail.

Well it is really hard for a new member like me to but some btc with Paypal! Is it OK if the buyer can prove that the fund in his Paypal is a payment from his client?

Added a new step (5).

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As I see the OP was modified and my feeling is that now is having more info.

Most of them are not helpful and just is creating the ilusion of a safe trade.

The best tip about paypal or any e-wallets is never reply to fake newsletters. No serious websites will ask you to share your personal details in a email.

could you tell us your localbitcoins username?

After doing a Google search, I would say [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
If I find more I will add them here.
If you received an e-mailed from PayPal which did not contain "don't reply to this e-mail" at h the bottom, than that e-mail might be ok.

Later edit:
I found the list below on this site https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/giveaway-2017-paypal-official-emails-to-solve-your-problem.906632/

I don't care if you believe me or not.

I am just saying facts. Paypal smells scams and just block anyone that is having any link with them.

In any cases I am seeing that people here are being afraid of paypal just because they are trying to scam. And that sucks.

actually non of that will help you with paypal i am afraid .Only way to be safe on paypal have a account not in your name and the ability to withdraw funds as soon as you get then .That way if there is a chargeback your not the one who is out money

hashshashin .... of course we are against what you saying because we dont belive you.

This are only lies. They are interpretating everything. In 7 years of having paypal I never lost a dispute and I never followed this steps.

Even more, I offered for a few months paypal-btc offers on localbitcoins. I received more than 40.000 usd in my paypal at that moment and I never lost a penny.

My opinion, even if you all are against what I am saying. Paypal rocks it when we talk about security and self care of their users!

This seems too much overkill for a simple trade.

The best solution is actually quite simple: Only sell/buy from people you trust. There are plenty of trusted sellers and buyers on BitcoinTalk that accept Paypal and are willing to do safe trades with you anytime.

I honestly do not know why people insist on doing trades with newbies and randoms. Especially since Bitcoin is an irreversible currency and Paypal is not. It seems they are asking to get scammed.

I like the latest technique, but which paypal email account should they send the email to?

Indeed, but it's easier to fight PayPal refund claim (the case with payment from account balance) than bank chargeback (the case with payment from credit card).

If I had access to your email address and you have done that before. What  makes me unable to do it again hence all the info will be on sent emails ? When it comes to Paypal or anything it doesn't require exactly that has to be paid with CC but if the transfer was made from a device u have never been on before they could also ask for an unathorized transaction.

i don't know if it has been discussed before, but i was thinking of some simple steps to make paypal transactions safer.
feel free to add to it.

1. require the buyer to send selfie with his/her id close to his/her face, and another picture with the id, thus seeing if the name on the paypal account is the same as the buyer.
2. require the buyer to send an e-mail from the e-mail account linked to the paypal account, thus verifying that the buyer has access to the e-mail account, and has not stolen/hacked the paypal account. this step may prove useless if the stolen paypal account has the same password as that e-mail account, but it's worth trying. (the sent e-mail could contain the pictures in step 1).
3. require the buyer to send funds from account balance and not from credit card linked to account.
4a. require the buyer to contact paypal via e-mail and make a statement, something like "i, hereby declare that, as the owner of this paypal account, am going to send xxx USD to the account yyy and i will not open a refund claim". the buyer should put the seller's address in the bcc of that e-mail.

or

4b. require the buyer to contact paypal, while logged in his/her account, here https://www.paypal.com/selfhelp/contact/email , make the statement in 4a. and record with his/her phone or skype this action. The link will change accordingly based on where the paypal account was registered (eg. for US the link will be https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/contact/email for DE will be https://www.paypal.com/de/selfhelp/contact/email and so on).
4b'. (optional) knowing the information above, regarding the country where the paypal account was registered you can ask the buyer to go to http://bgp.he.net/ (this will show the ip accessing the site, there will be a country flag next to the ip, if the flag doesn't show, you can go even further and ask the buyer to click on the link that starts with AS on the same site, that will give information regarding his/her internet provider and you can get an idea where the internet provider is located). have the buyer record with his/her phone/skype this action (if it can be done in the same session with step 4b it's even better). There should be a red flag raised if the country where he registered the account differs from the country where he is accessing the account.
as betudontbet saidNote: I put emphases on recording video with a phone because it's harder to fake than with a screen capturing software.

5. require the buyer to run TeamViewer QS and give you the I'd and password, that way you can have him log in on his PayPal account (don't worry, you can't see his password) and you can move around his account and see if he made claims before or if he has the money he says he has in his balance. You can even ask him to tell you about any past transactions you see listed there (a buyer with a stolen account may not know details about past transactions). And you can even watch him as he is writing to customer support like in step 4a or 4b.

6. if the buyer wants to send you the funds as goods&services ask him/her for his/her paypal address and send an e-mail in which you say something like "please make the payment (send the money etc etc) so i can send you the script (or anything you can think of that can be sent via e-mail, even a selfie. you can see later why i choose "script") as we agreed". after the buyer sends the funds, you will send him by e-mail a script, any script, from https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/php?sort=featured&pageSize=15 (or other source) and ask him to reply to your e-mail and confirm that that's exactly what he wanted. that way if he opens a dispute you have evidence that a payment for a service has taken place and a service was delivered.
 
this steps will at least "thin the herd" of scammers

i know that the haters who have nothing better to do will start to criticize what i have written above, but maybe something good can get out of this.