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Quote from: panju1 on April 05, 2016, 03:38:23 AM

Quote from: mrhelpful on April 04, 2016, 07:17:09 PM

If you havent done the homework, its rigged based on certain factors how they play it by.
Since most of the stuff is based on their own terms, like insider info, or something else thats off the books.
A normal trader going into the market using a thinkorswim account will get killed, not having a edge.

Insider trading is not the norm.
People do get prosecuted and go to jail for insider trading - think of Raj Rajaratnam and Rajat Gupta.
It is just not worth it for people in important positions to make use of insider information.

People who got caught on doing inside trades are only tip of the iceberg. We are living in the dark and kept behind the curtains of big movements all the time.
Stock market were manipulated by a whales since the beginning, and no control commission for securities will gonna cut these dealings.

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Quote from: mrhelpful on April 04, 2016, 07:17:09 PM

If you havent done the homework, its rigged based on certain factors how they play it by.
Since most of the stuff is based on their own terms, like insider info, or something else thats off the books.
A normal trader going into the market using a thinkorswim account will get killed, not having a edge.

Insider trading is not the norm.
People do get prosecuted and go to jail for insider trading - think of Raj Rajaratnam and Rajat Gupta.
It is just not worth it for people in important positions to make use of insider information.

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If you havent done the homework, its rigged based on certain factors how they play it by.

Since most of the stuff is based on their own terms, like insider info, or something else thats off the books.

A normal trader going into the market using a thinkorswim account will get killed, not having a edge.

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Quote from: freedombit on April 04, 2016, 04:01:21 PM

Think about all of the "wealth" stored 401k's and IRA's that cannot be moved without penalty. Using law to discourage divestment from the markets, only inflates it further, allowing more loans against this theoretical value, and so on....

Is this rigged, or just the natural development creative financial, economic, and political desire?

this is a logical dead end, within the monetary paradigm of the development of financial technologies before the advent of the blockchain

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Think about all of the "wealth" stored 401k's and IRA's that cannot be moved without penalty. Using law to discourage divestment from the markets, only inflates it further, allowing more loans against this theoretical value, and so on....

Is this rigged, or just the natural development creative financial, economic, and political desire?

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Yes. Stock market's rigged. By a combination of these stock exchanges, the big Wall Street banks and high-frequency traders. Everybody who has an investment in the stock market are the victims.

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Any market can be rigged by very rich people. They can manipulate the market to their advantage.

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Rigged is not accurate word to describe stock market. Enough to say we all know that there are some movements hidden from general public and certain deals are done behind the curtain.
Market is highly manipulated and exploited, if you are a newbie or have no idea how things works then you may feel like the whole system is rigged.

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i would not go as far as calling it rigged , but its some market manipuation going on and have pretty much always been like that. but to called it rigged is a bit far, unfair is more like it

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Quote from: botany on March 02, 2016, 10:02:33 AM

Market manipulation is a punishable offence.
A few even get jail terms for it.
A trader who caused a crash in 2010 was arrested in 2015. Tongue

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/business/dealbook/trader-in-britain-arrested-on-charges-of-manipulation-that-led-to-2010-flash-crash.html?_r=0

Trillionares don't go to jail.

That was a scape goat.. he didn't do shit.

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Market manipulation is a punishable offence.
A few even get jail terms for it.
A trader who caused a crash in 2010 was arrested in 2015. Tongue

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/business/dealbook/trader-in-britain-arrested-on-charges-of-manipulation-that-led-to-2010-flash-crash.html?_r=0

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Yes but that doesn't mean you can't win.. follow the manipulators.

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every market where people can make millions/billions is rigged. the stock market is definitely not an exception. the elite is always 5 steps ahead of the rest. without a doubt there is also a lot insider trading. that's how you can make billions of profit per year. we as normal traders only play with crumbs.

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The wealthy can manipulate the market. Also I have heard that stock trading companies are pressured to advise their clients in certain way to benefit certain companies rather than to benefit the client or more likely advise clients to make trades just to increase the fees for the stock company. These are ways the market is rigged against us little guys.

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stock market now is more automated or done by bots but that can't be referred as rigged. Better to say its automated. Wink

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Quote from: markj113 on January 04, 2016, 02:07:05 PM

Stock prices are artificially propped up with all the at QE money the banks decided to hoard

There is no good investment for the banks, so they have to hoard the money. If they invest, they will make a loss.

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Its been rigged for the longest lol.

But you gotta see it as a same level of playing field in the sense of your approach, just study what the "enron" documentary did.

They made up their own rules, then went public - they always positioned themself to win, regardless if they cheated out so many people. Thats the core with every person like those pennystocks doing pump and dump.

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Obviously it is rigged. Big put options on defense stocks and certain airlines were executed the week leading up to 9/11. I'm talking about a billion or more in trades.

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Every market is rigged to some degree or other. The amount of rigging and its effects on the small trader depend on the particular market (gold is very rigged), HFT (mentioned up-thread), whatever any manipulators think they can get away with (legal or not), etc., etc. There are so many scams in the financial markets, so many ways the Insiders milk the rest of us...

I suspect that there is rigging in BTC markets as well, though I have no evidence to offer.

One way to deal with it is to not play their game.

Buy and hold gold, don't trade it.

Buy and HODL BTC, don't trade it.

Buy and hold quality stocks (companies with low debt for example), don't trade them.

Rookies who trade will get scalped.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on January 04, 2016, 01:41:19 PM

Quote from: abs350 on January 04, 2016, 08:21:37 AM

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The stock market is obviously rigged. Most of the trade volume daily is done by automated bots, the amount of manual input is actually minimum. I don't know if there is a way to certainly know what % exactly of manual input is going on vs automated orders but it would be on the bot's sides. Some don't consider this practice as "rigging" tho.

It depends on how long your investing for. If you're trying to day trade, it's rigged...you can't get a good price because the high frequency traders are beating you to it, you'll automatically lose as soon as you indicate what your purchase intent is.

Now, if you're investing for the long term the markets aren't rigged...buy and hold and you're good. Honest.

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The trading it self can be rigged but when they get caught by manipulating the trades, they can go to jail for doing so. What I know is that other companies manipulate the price by making false announcements and press releases so stock price will soar if announcement or press release is positive.

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Not as rigged as it used to be. But this is a stupid poll and I'm not voting in it. OP, do you have an opinion on this yourself or do you really care what everyone thinks?

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Stock prices are artificially propped up with all the at QE money the banks decided to hoard

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It depends how you define rigged.

Is rigged assuming there is a set of a few guys who are playing the entire stock market and they all win?

Or is rigged just manipulation by many big dogs, but they are not necessarily in cahoots with one another.

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I do not think it is rigged as stock prices react to up to date news.

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Quote from: abs350 on January 04, 2016, 08:21:37 AM

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The stock market is obviously rigged. Most of the trade volume daily is done by automated bots, the amount of manual input is actually minimum. I don't know if there is a way to certainly know what % exactly of manual input is going on vs automated orders but it would be on the bot's sides. Some don't consider this practice as "rigging" tho.

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