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Quote from: Stalker22 on December 21, 2024, 03:42:40 PM

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Also, the Secret Service? Really?

Maybe he's a close associate of the currently biggest crypto leader in the world? If this is not the case, then it is not difficult to conclude that the story is made up, whether it is classic fishing for merits or for some other reason.

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Quote from: ? on December 20, 2024, 07:11:09 PM

I've been the victim of a scam. A significant amount of bitcoin was stolen along with some SOL and ADA. I've contacted law enforcement and the U.S Secret Service took the lead on the investigation. Just informed that the thieves converted some btc to monero and some went to a non kyc exchange. Basically, gone as far as the SS is concerned. Am I out of luck at this point or do I possibly have other avenues?

So sorry about your loss, this is why it becomes very important we protect our assets when the need arises because these thieves are becoming relay smart by the day and they don't leave traces at some point so when you loose an asset to them, technically its almost gone and never to be gotten again. there are points beyond which even the authorities cannot go beyond to help you recover so its just important we are always vigilant and protect our assets in the best forms we can and avoid engaging in some online purported schemes as they may be scams which will lure us to voluntarily give up our assets to these people and then end up loosing them for ever.

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You only said that you were a victim of fraud, but did not explain the chronology and where you stored the assets. It should be underlined that victims of fraud and victims of theft are different cases. It seems that the thief is quite experienced in the crypto field, they took a difficult path to identify by using a Non KYC exchange, it is very unlikely that you can get the assets back and the thief's identity is difficult to reveal.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 21, 2024, 03:22:27 AM

Can you share some more information about how you got scammed? Usually, people are tricked into entering their seed into a phishing website, with the entered data going to the scammers. The victims either find these scam websites themselves by googling certain wallets/exchanges or they get tricked into believing their money is at risk after reading an e-mail send by scammers. What trick did they use on you?

Sharing information about how you got scammed is important so that others can learn from your mistakes and not repeat it. No need to keep people guessing the type of scam, we're here to share ideas, learn from each other's mistakes and gain knowledge from experienced members. Not sharing the information on how you were scammed is as good as not bringing the topic up for discussion because we don't know how the scam really happened. The crypto space is a hub for scammers and hackers that are looking for victims to steal from, so hoarding helpful information is not the right thing to do.

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Quote from: ? on December 20, 2024, 07:11:09 PM

I've been the victim of a scam. A significant amount of bitcoin was stolen along with some SOL and ADA. I've contacted law enforcement and the U.S Secret Service took the lead on the investigation. Just informed that the thieves converted some btc to monero and some went to a non kyc exchange. Basically, gone as far as the SS is concerned. Am I out of luck at this point or do I possibly have other avenues?

Just like the posters above said, your funds are gone because the scammer was able to clean his track and I don't think you are the first he is scamming. I will like to know how the scammer got access to your coins. How did you become vulnerable to the scammer so that we can know and give you some tips on how to keep your wallets safe. It's good we learn from our mistakes to avoid it in future.

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Getting your law enforcement to cooperate with the exchange could be tricky as well especially with less competitive cybercrimes team in some countries.

There were such cases in bitcointalk scam accusation board. IIRC, one has even gotten a CEX to temporarily freeze the alleged perpetrator account but victim couldn't get ahold of their authorities and the CEX has given a time limit to comply as its a temporary freeze which made things extra hard.

Perhaps for life changing amounts could make some difference as well 🤔

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Quote from: ? on December 20, 2024, 07:11:09 PM

I've been the victim of a scam. A significant amount of bitcoin was stolen along with some SOL and ADA. I've contacted law enforcement and the U.S Secret Service took the lead on the investigation. Just informed that the thieves converted some btc to monero and some went to a non kyc exchange. Basically, gone as far as the SS is concerned. Am I out of luck at this point or do I possibly have other avenues?

Well, it really boils down to what steps you have already taken here. I mean, if the police or whoever already looked into it and basically threw their hands up saying theres not much they can do, then yeah you are probably stuck in a tough spot. Specially when privacy coins like Monero are in the mix - those buggers are hard to trace no matter how hard you try. But hey, just curious, how did you even figure out the scammers swapped some of your coins for Monero anyway? That isnt exactly something normal people can just spot from poking around on blockchain transactions.

Also, the Secret Service? Really?

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Quote from: Findingnemo on December 21, 2024, 08:01:30 AM

It's gone forever, the chances of getting it recovered is slim and even if they did I don't think the victim able to recieve them in short time. Consider it as a hard lesson and better leave the name of the platform and how you were tricked into this scam might prevent others from doing the same mistake.

In future consider saving the funds using non custodial wallet and better a hardware wallet or anything Airgapped device.

Yea that is the real truth, it's gone already so I don't really think it will possible for him to get it back. However, just like as you have said I think the best thing we need now is prevention. so that others people wouldn't fall such victim again to scammers.

However, I think is the high time for us to always stay vigilant in our Bitcoin investment because scammers are using different strategy to scam people's money, so les try as much as possible to protect our Bitcoin very well.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 21, 2024, 11:43:49 AM

There is no protection from that except knowledge and common sense.

Yeah, that is correct, and i know OP will be completely devastated right now and wouldn't want to relive the event again, but if he can, he can tell us how he was scammed, was his assets stored in an online device or did scammers deceive him to enter his seed phrase online.

Quote from: Onyeeze on December 21, 2024, 02:08:49 PM

you can't recover it because is not traceable

It is actually traceable on the blockchain, at least until the scammer converts it to Monero or uses a mixer to hide their traces. You cannot recover by just knowing the wallet it was sent to, you need the help of the authorities if it sits in a custodial wallet.

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Quote from: ? on December 20, 2024, 07:11:09 PM

I've been the victim of a scam. A significant amount of bitcoin was stolen along with some SOL and ADA. I've contacted law enforcement and the U.S Secret Service took the lead on the investigation. Just informed that the thieves converted some btc to monero and some went to a non kyc exchange. Basically, gone as far as the SS is concerned. Am I out of luck at this point or do I possibly have other avenues?

anyone who lost the Bitcoin can recover it, you can't recover it because is not traceable, someone who lost its bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency should look for a way the person penetrate into its wallet, so from my understanding we need to know that what can make us to misplaced our bitcoin is due to insecurity of our seed phrase, because its the place you keep the seed phrase of that particular wallet that you commence your investigation with, so therefore keeping your seed phrase safe is the most important thing so far we have to do.

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Quote from: ? on December 20, 2024, 07:11:09 PM

I've been the victim of a scam. A significant amount of bitcoin was stolen along with some SOL and ADA. I've contacted law enforcement and the U.S Secret Service took the lead on the investigation. Just informed that the thieves converted some btc to monero and some went to a non kyc exchange. Basically, gone as far as the SS is concerned. Am I out of luck at this point or do I possibly have other avenues?

You already know there's pretty much nothing else you can do about it now besides watching the trail on blockchain.
If they do deposit on any centralized platform then all you can do is let the platform know so that they can freeze the funds.
Now that US law enforcement agency is involced, there's no other option left for you.
To be honest, expecting your funds to be recovered is the least thing you should think of.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on December 21, 2024, 08:01:30 AM

In future consider saving the funds using non custodial wallet and better a hardware wallet or anything Airgapped device.

Even that is not enough if you can get tricked with social engineering scams. A hardware wallet doesn't help against a person entering their seed online because they received an email (allegedly from Ledger or something similar) where it's said that your coins are at risk unless you "verify your seed" by entering it in the provided form and install an updated and safe version of the software. There is no protection from that except knowledge and common sense.

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Quote from: ? on December 20, 2024, 07:11:09 PM

I've been the victim of a scam. A significant amount of bitcoin was stolen along with some SOL and ADA. I've contacted law enforcement and the U.S Secret Service took the lead on the investigation. Just informed that the thieves converted some btc to monero and some went to a non kyc exchange. Basically, gone as far as the SS is concerned. Am I out of luck at this point or do I possibly have other avenues?

Your luckiness depends on, assumed I read your post rightly, thieves' activities that they did something on CEX with KYC, not did all things on CEX or non-KYC exchanges.

If you know that they moved part of your coins, either BTC, SOL, ADA to only one CEX with KYC, your chance to know their identity can come from here.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 21, 2024, 03:22:27 AM

Can you share some more information about how you got scammed? ... What trick did they use on you?

I second this and would appreciate some more details on how you were scammed.

If you have a police or any other contact regarding your filed case, you may first want to check what details are safe to disclose.

As scammers get more creative or refine their procedures, we can all learn from current cases and possibly avoid more victims.

You may feel embarrassed, that's normal. Anybody here and you, too, can learn and improve from your past mistakes.

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Quote from: ? on December 21, 2024, 08:55:07 AM

I don't know about any other decentralized exchanges that are available for trading ada and sol as of now (i guess serum.today used to be one in way back for solana but, in current ain't works) but i do think bitcoinVN is kinda easy to swap sol and other shitcoin for monero then can switch one to many more different wallets being in incognito, easy but (generally it requires kyc for exchanging fiat who trynna trade in high volume, but doesn't requires any kyc for swaping any coins if especially not in large quantity), things are easy to get done these days. Also, In this case op didn't totally revealed their assets that how much in quantity of each coins were stolen by scammers, neither openly shared about how much in amount that he/she/they lost (or any hints or clues of any wallets) which supposed to be shared if were true.

I haven't heard any yet, but there are still some exchanges that don't require KYC. Like I think Coinex has a limit of "10,000 USD" for 24 hours in crypto withdrawals for non-KYC accounts, but it requires a bind phone number.

Also, Cryptomus wallet also provides non-KYC with a limit of $100k in 30 days; both of them give a high limit, which I think any of these may be used by the scammer or maybe none of these since this is not the only one that doesn't require KYC there are many of them I think.

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Quote from: examplens on December 21, 2024, 05:06:05 AM

I'm not sure if there is any no-KYC for the SOL and ADA exchange?

I don't know about any other decentralized exchanges that are available for trading ada and sol as of now (i guess serum.today used to be one in way back for solana but, in current ain't works) but i do think bitcoinVN is kinda easy to swap sol and other shitcoin for monero then can switch one to many more different wallets being in incognito, easy but (generally it requires kyc for exchanging fiat who trynna trade in high volume, but doesn't requires any kyc for swaping any coins if especially not in large quantity), things are easy to get done these days. Also, In this case op didn't totally revealed their assets that how much in quantity of each coins were stolen by scammers, neither openly shared about how much in amount that he/she/they lost (or any hints or clues of any wallets) which supposed to be shared if were true.

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It's gone forever, the chances of getting it recovered is slim and even if they did I don't think the victim able to recieve them in short time. Consider it as a hard lesson and better leave the name of the platform and how you were tricked into this scam might prevent others from doing the same mistake.

In future consider saving the funds using non custodial wallet and better a hardware wallet or anything Airgapped device.

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You may not want to share here but providing all details of how the scam happened can help the law enforcement find any useful information to nail the scammers. Your hope is that they made a silly mistake that gives an idea of what their identity is.
Tracking them backwards may be your best chance to get them as tracking them forward looks almost impossible if they have moved to monero and non-KYC exchanges.

If there is anything to do going forward it is to prevent getting into this kind of situation and correcting any mistakes you made to lose those coins.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 21, 2024, 03:05:02 AM

If the scammers make a mistake and sent your coins to addresses and wallets associated with centralized services where they verified their identity, you can request to have those accounts frozen and the perpetrators identified. You seem to have the necessary police report and supporting documents from law enforcement. However, if the thieves are experienced enough, they won't make such mistakes. The coins that they converted to monero are pretty much gone. Chances that you will get them back are very small.

If it's true as he claims that it was converted to Monero, it's a done deal.
I am also convinced that if someone uses BTC to Monero to hide his tracks, he is certainly not a beginner, but has enough knowledge and I doubt that he will make mistakes by sending stolen money to KYC-verified services.

I'm not sure if there is any no-KYC for the SOL and ADA exchange?

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Quote from: ? on December 20, 2024, 07:11:09 PM

I've been the victim of a scam. A significant amount of bitcoin was stolen along with some SOL and ADA. I've contacted law enforcement and the U.S Secret Service took the lead on the investigation. Just informed that the thieves converted some btc to monero and some went to a non kyc exchange. Basically, gone as far as the SS is concerned.

You’ve done what you needed to do, but I doubt the investigation will be fast, considering you’re just an individual and the issue only concerns you. Do you know that the number of solved cases involving crypto scams in casinos is quite low? While it’s fine to stay optimistic, I suggest you also start accepting the possibility that the funds might be gone. Take this as a lesson to learn from your mistake.

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Am I out of luck at this point or do I possibly have other avenues?

I wish they were, but in cases like this, all you can really rely on are the authorities.

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Tracking coins is different from recovering them, you can only recover them with the help of the authorities and after completing a police report.
As for tracking coins, if you are lucky you may be able to track and recover them if the scammer deposited them on a central service.
If it does not affect your privacy, post transactions details here.

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Can you share some more information about how you got scammed? Usually, people are tricked into entering their seed into a phishing website, with the entered data going to the scammers. The victims either find these scam websites themselves by googling certain wallets/exchanges or they get tricked into believing their money is at risk after reading an e-mail send by scammers. What trick did they use on you?

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It will also be good to avoid scam and hack generally. If you can not use wallet on an airgapped device, you can get yourself a reputed hardware wallet instead which are safer that online wallets.

Also it is better to backup your seed phrase where no one can have access to it. Or you can use passphrase to extend the seed phrase so that anyone that need to access the coins will also need the passphrase.

But if you lose your passphrase, you will lose your coins just like you lose your seed phrase. So make such you backup both the seed phrase and passphrase but not together but in different locations. Two or 3 backups are enough. The backup should not be online but offline.

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If the scammers make a mistake and sent your coins to addresses and wallets associated with centralized services where they verified their identity, you can request to have those accounts frozen and the perpetrators identified. You seem to have the necessary police report and supporting documents from law enforcement. However, if the thieves are experienced enough, they won't make such mistakes. The coins that they converted to monero are pretty much gone. Chances that you will get them back are very small.

If they run their own nodes, avoid KYC services, use DEXs or stolen CEX accounts, reside in jurisdictions out of reach of US law enforcement, and don't send the stolen coins to any addresses that could identify them, there isn't much that anyone can do.

Have you tried to contact a blockchain analysis firm yourself to see what they say?
Perhaps people like ZachXBT who investigates crypto thefts can also be of help.

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I've been the victim of a scam. A significant amount of bitcoin was stolen along with some SOL and ADA. I've contacted law enforcement and the U.S Secret Service took the lead on the investigation. Just informed that the thieves converted some btc to monero and some went to a non kyc exchange. Basically, gone as far as the SS is concerned. Am I out of luck at this point or do I possibly have other avenues?

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