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hero member
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January 07, 2015, 03:20:19 AM
#56
I also think it's rare that any accounts get recovered by theymos nowadays so there's not much chance of someone doing this or it's certainly not as easy as that, but buyers should be aware of the risks and if something goes wrong the staff aren't here to dig you out of it.

You are again going about it the wrong way, and I had explained this earlier. Theymos has  a problem recovering as since account trading is allowed, he has to find out whether the account was sold or hacked. If it is not allowed then it becomes very easy; prove that the account belonged to you and it goes back to you.
hero member
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1NoBanksLuJPXf8Sc831fPqjrRpkQPKkEA
January 07, 2015, 03:17:00 AM
#55
He said accounts should not be sold and it should be illegal to buy/sold an account. If the transaction is very easily reversible and moderators always side for the seller, it will be very dangerous to buy an account and less accounts should be sold.

Exactly. The current climate of endorsing account selling doesn't make sense. I doubt too many would be willing to pay anything when they know that the account can be seized back anytime.

It has now become open culture, there are Sr. Members posting through their accounts itself looking to sell. Bitcoinfr34k was sold recently and it was promoted as having positive trust.

Sold
yang minat ma akun ini ane buka harga 0.25  Grin

i selling this account 0.25
pm me for your offers
hero member
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January 04, 2015, 05:00:47 PM
#54
Selling accounts shouldn't be allowed, and Bitcointalk shouldn't endorse it. The argument given against it is that accounts will be sold with or without the approval of this forum, so keeping it open warns others.

However, if Bitcointalk says its against the rules, and everytime takes the side of the seller, than it means buyers take a huge risk as accounts can be taken back anytime. That should drastically decrease account trading.

just a question...

can you enumerate a few points why accounts could not be sold???

thanks

He said accounts should not be sold and it should be illegal to buy/sold an account. If the transaction is very easily reversible and moderators always side for the seller, it will be very dangerous to buy an account and less accounts should be sold.

Nonetheless I am in favor of the current policy.
legendary
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January 04, 2015, 04:49:41 PM
#53
Stop selling your accounts. this only makes the community suffer

Ive not bought or sold any accounts but i think the free market philosophy is good.  It does mean expect some wicked scams though yep.
member
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January 04, 2015, 10:17:32 AM
#52
just a question...

can you enumerate a few points why accounts could not be sold???

thanks

Could or should not?

for now, i'm asking why Could not
i wait to asking why should not, until some bitcointalk new rules come out...

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January 04, 2015, 09:48:36 AM
#51
Selling accounts shouldn't be allowed, and Bitcointalk shouldn't endorse it. The argument given against it is that accounts will be sold with or without the approval of this forum, so keeping it open warns others.

However, if Bitcointalk says its against the rules, and everytime takes the side of the seller, than it means buyers take a huge risk as accounts can be taken back anytime. That should drastically decrease account trading.

It's not really endorsed. Ponzis and scams are 'allowed' ie not moderated but that doesn't mean the forum endorses them. I also think it's rare that any accounts get recovered by theymos nowadays so there's not much chance of someone doing this or it's certainly not as easy as that, but buyers should be aware of the risks and if something goes wrong the staff aren't here to dig you out of it.

just a question...

can you enumerate a few points why accounts could not be sold???

thanks

Could or should not?
member
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January 04, 2015, 09:30:07 AM
#50
Selling accounts shouldn't be allowed, and Bitcointalk shouldn't endorse it. The argument given against it is that accounts will be sold with or without the approval of this forum, so keeping it open warns others.

However, if Bitcointalk says its against the rules, and everytime takes the side of the seller, than it means buyers take a huge risk as accounts can be taken back anytime. That should drastically decrease account trading.

just a question...

can you enumerate a few points why accounts could not be sold???

thanks
hero member
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1NoBanksLuJPXf8Sc831fPqjrRpkQPKkEA
January 01, 2015, 05:55:56 AM
#49
Selling accounts shouldn't be allowed, and Bitcointalk shouldn't endorse it. The argument given against it is that accounts will be sold with or without the approval of this forum, so keeping it open warns others.

However, if Bitcointalk says its against the rules, and everytime takes the side of the seller, than it means buyers take a huge risk as accounts can be taken back anytime. That should drastically decrease account trading.
legendary
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December 31, 2014, 09:24:49 PM
#48
I won't be selling this account but I'm not against others selling their accounts.  I even considered spawning another account to build up and sell but I just don't have the energy for that.  I don't think selling accounts is the root cause of making this community suffer.  The root cause are criminals and the suckers that fall prey.  Having additional accounts up for grabs may enable criminals but if people use the tools at their disposal such as escrow services then there really shouldn't be problems.
newbie
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December 27, 2014, 08:37:26 PM
#47

This thread was very useful.. I'm looking for some cheap Sr.Member account.. Someone have something to sell (cheap mean 0.1...)?
legendary
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December 27, 2014, 01:54:40 PM
#45
can't be stopped, they will do it whatever the rule says
newbie
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December 25, 2014, 05:14:37 PM
#42
wow so i can get som earning for posting here? how i can sign in?
copper member
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December 25, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
#41
It's actually 120 for a Full Member and 240 for a senior, though you're still right it's not really worth it. Selling a Full Member for 0.1 seems a waste when you can earn that for 50 posts on a Senior in one month.
full members tend to go for a little bit more then .1 (generally starting at closer to .15) and you can earn money via signature campaigns in the meantime while you are ranking up the accounts
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December 25, 2014, 03:07:18 PM
#40
It's actually 120 for a Full Member and 240 for a senior, though you're still right it's not really worth it. Selling a Full Member for 0.1 seems a waste when you can earn that for 50 posts on a Senior in one month.
sr. member
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December 25, 2014, 03:00:05 PM
#39
selling accounts is main profit of some people !!!

hehe  Grin

I guess you've lots of accounts Grin

In 4 month you can easily grow a full member account.
Just create 10 accounts and sell them after 4 months at least 0.1 btc each Grin

it's a good deal Grin

not a good idea

it take 240 posts to bacome sr member so for 10 accounts 240x10=2400

so create 10 accounts and make 2400 posts to earn 1BTC (maybe) after 4 Monthes lol not worth it
hero member
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December 25, 2014, 02:33:16 PM
#38
But why are there sig campaigns here? Where else do they exist? Is it due to the financial nature of this forum, is that why it attracts people who want to advertise? And then people buying and selling accounts? I never even thought of such a thing until I saw it here and right after wondering how much btc I could get, decided the practice must be directed towards a more higher level of manipulation? I just don't know but the scenario of a money and finance info hub having a large amount of dummy accounts seems like it's leading somewhere dangerous.

They exist because bitcoin is still a niche, there aren't many advertising sites and to use a bitcoin service you first need to know what bitcoin is. That's why you can't go just anywhere and say you're accepting it, because your ad will target people with no knowledge about cryptocurrency, and almost certainly no coins. Wink

Signature campaigns target specific people and allow them to test the services, for example you can use money from promoting a bitcoin casino to play there and test the site and have no regrets if you lose as it's free money.
Multiple acounts, selling and farming them can indeed hurt a business and it's being done as we speak. I've dealt with made up stories, posted from new accounts and I assure you, a simple ban doesn't cut it. I've recently reported a guy, who wrote over 100 spam posts in 3 days, got banned and in response made 3 new accounts.
legendary
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December 25, 2014, 01:25:20 PM
#37
selling accounts is main profit of some people !!!

hehe  Grin

I guess you've lots of accounts Grin

In 4 month you can easily grow a full member account.
Just create 10 accounts and sell them after 4 months at least 0.1 btc each Grin

it's a good deal Grin
sr. member
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December 25, 2014, 01:15:13 PM
#36
selling accounts is main profit of some people !!!

hehe  Grin
legendary
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December 25, 2014, 08:44:50 AM
#35
The problem IMO is, there is no way mods can stop account selling. If they disallow people from making those threads, the sellers will do it in another site.




This post is stupid. I don't know why mod still not close it  Huh



Probably because it is in the right section of the forum and is a legit topic.


~BCX~

It is now in the right section but OP first created this thread in digital goods section.
newbie
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December 25, 2014, 07:13:28 AM
#34
Hey we are probably all liberty lovers, so by banning people or not letting them do whatever they want (even if they spam or signature advertise) we are no better than the statists  Smiley

So let everyone do whatever they want, let's be free  Smiley
legendary
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December 24, 2014, 05:47:53 AM
#33
I've only ever participated in a small number of forums before but I don't recall ever seeing sig campaigns. The forum itself might have ads but not as revenue for users.
I'm here because there's knowledge and info I need but I jumped the first I heard about sig campaigning (disclaimer: I have shares in AM)
But why are there sig campaigns here? Where else do they exist? Is it due to the financial nature of this forum, is that why it attracts people who want to advertise? And then people buying and selling accounts? I never even thought of such a thing until I saw it here and right after wondering how much btc I could get, decided the practice must be directed towards a more higher level of manipulation? I just don't know but the scenario of a money and finance info hub having a large amount of dummy accounts seems like it's leading somewhere dangerous.
-I like sig campaigns, I even think some of the shit-posting is funny, almost. But people do get burnt in here, not infrequently either, and Mods might want to consider thier culpability if something major went down. I'm not a lawyer but I am
dangerously close to shit-posting myself right now. 💩
sr. member
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December 24, 2014, 02:35:48 AM
#32
You have to stop it right now!  Smiley
sr. member
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The big fish
December 23, 2014, 07:24:51 PM
#31
Forum rules allowed so if you wanna  stop this send message to admin. This is marketplace, we selling/buying here. This post is stupid. I don't know why mod still not close it  Huh
copper member
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December 23, 2014, 07:15:58 PM
#30
i think there should be ban on selling accounts with Green trust because it can cause a big scam

That's stupid. You either ban all of it or ban none of it. Fact is you can't control accounts being sold let alone green trust accounts. There are some that use it for legitimate reasons such as signature campaigns and then the people that use it to scam.

there are not any signature campaign who require green trust so this is not a legitimate reason of selling a green trust account
Accounts with green trust generally get somewhat of a higher level of respect then accounts with neutral trust. It is kind of like a status symbol. People might want to buy a green trust account over a neutral trust account for the same reason they buy a Lexus over a toyota.
sr. member
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December 23, 2014, 06:54:29 PM
#29
i think there should be ban on selling accounts with Green trust because it can cause a big scam

That's stupid. You either ban all of it or ban none of it. Fact is you can't control accounts being sold let alone green trust accounts. There are some that use it for legitimate reasons such as signature campaigns and then the people that use it to scam.

there are not any signature campaign who require green trust so this is not a legitimate reason of selling a green trust account
newbie
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December 23, 2014, 06:20:36 PM
#28
i dont think you can stop anyone wanting profit, i mean look at this legendary account going for nearly 1.7 btc.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fs-legendary-account-890434

people want bitcoin however they can get it, which is something you cant stop.
legendary
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December 23, 2014, 05:40:14 PM
#27
i think there should be ban on selling accounts with Green trust because it can cause a big scam

That's stupid. You either ban all of it or ban none of it. Fact is you can't control accounts being sold let alone green trust accounts. There are some that use it for legitimate reasons such as signature campaigns and then the people that use it to scam.
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December 23, 2014, 05:33:33 PM
#26
Mod give green light for it. But maybe we can suggest that the selling acc mark or something

Who gave you a green light for doing what?
newbie
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December 23, 2014, 03:20:14 PM
#25
Stop selling buit keep creating other account ?
sr. member
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December 23, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
#24
Mod give green light for it. But maybe we can suggest that the selling acc mark or something

i think this topic is not going anywhere , accounts selling cant be stopped if it got ban here people will sell on some other places/forums etc , even i dont have any problem with account selling but i do have problem when accounts with green trust got soled , anyways some experiance members have advised to always use escrow dont matter with whome you are dealing with nd i think this is the best solution rite now
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December 23, 2014, 02:52:17 PM
#23
Mod give green light for it. But maybe we can suggest that the selling acc mark or something
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December 23, 2014, 01:39:57 PM
#22
Best solution is after selling the account, the seller must make a public notice stating that he/she has sold his/her account.

Well that would be great if everyone complied with it and also people didn't leave negative feedback for known bought/sold accounts, but some people wont. People are too scared to reveal they purchased an account in case it gets negbomed, and those that purchased an account for nefarious purposes would never admit to it in the first place. The best thing we can do is stay vigilant and protect yourself (use escrow etc).
newbie
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December 23, 2014, 01:21:47 PM
#21
Best solution is after selling the account, the seller must make a public notice stating that he/she has sold his/her account.
sr. member
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December 23, 2014, 01:18:17 PM
#20
Is this marketplace ?
Mod better close this

forum accounts come under Digital goods but still mods can decide
So marketplace post your idea or status?
I think this place for sell/buy stuff.



yes this is what i said still mods can decide if they want to closs or not
sr. member
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December 23, 2014, 01:16:41 PM
#19
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)

but what i am saying is i saw some seller are selling account with green trust which can cause a big scam because the honest person who got the green trust is not using that account anymore

Solution: Don't just blindly trust an account with green feedback. I could create an alt account and leave it plenty of feedback, would that mean you trust it? No. The feedback system is a guide, not a you must trust this person explicitly badge.

yes this is what i  learned now thanks for the advice
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December 23, 2014, 12:04:44 PM
#18
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)

but what i am saying is i saw some seller are selling account with green trust which can cause a big scam because the honest person who got the green trust is not using that account anymore

Solution: Don't just blindly trust an account with green feedback. I could create an alt account and leave it plenty of feedback, would that mean you trust it? No. The feedback system is a guide, not a you must trust this person explicitly badge.
newbie
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December 23, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
#17
selling account is allowed in this forum
No matter what with you  Huh

Wow we have similar usernames  Cheesy
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December 23, 2014, 12:01:19 PM
#16
selling account is allowed in this forum
No matter what with you  Huh
sr. member
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December 23, 2014, 09:49:18 AM
#15
Is this marketplace ?
Mod better close this

forum accounts come under Digital goods but still mods can decide
So marketplace post your idea or status?
I think this place for sell/buy stuff.
legendary
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December 23, 2014, 09:17:57 AM
#14
^^no even if dealing with a legendary you should still use escrow. The lesion is that you should start with smaller amounts, deal in tranches and always use escrow

Right. People put way to much trust in hero and higher accounts. There have been plenty of hero and legendary scammers here.

As long as there are sig campaigns and scammers, there are always gonna be bought, sold and hacked accounts. Nothing you can do about it.
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December 23, 2014, 09:07:43 AM
#13
Is this marketplace ?
Mod better close this

forum accounts come under Digital goods but still mods can decide
sr. member
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December 23, 2014, 09:00:42 AM
#12
Is this marketplace ?
Mod better close this
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December 23, 2014, 08:46:15 AM
#11
^^no even if dealing with a legendary you should still use escrow. The lesion is that you should start with smaller amounts, deal in tranches and always use escrow
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December 23, 2014, 08:44:29 AM
#10
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)

but what i am saying is i saw some seller are selling account with green trust which can cause a big scam because the honest person who got the green trust is not using that account anymore
you are right that people with a lot of trust should have their trust removed prior to selling their account however the trust does add value to the account so any buyer would need to pay a preimum for trust and would need to risk being called out as a scammer if they try to scam and if they are called out they would lose their entire investment

yeah but it seems a good investment lol buy a account with green trust for 1BTC and do a scam with it for 2BTC = 1BTC profit , selling of a account with green trust should be banned in my point of view
it isn't a guarantee that you will be able to scam for that much. Most scams that I have seen were for much less. Plus people are generally less willing to do business with people they haven't don't business with before without escrow. If the other person wants escrow and you won't use escrow then you will almost automatically will be called a scammer and lose your entire investment. If you do go through with your transaction then you are doing a deal that you probably didn't really want to do

So lesson learned : use a escrow if u r deeling anyone below legendry account. thanks
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December 23, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
#9
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)

but what i am saying is i saw some seller are selling account with green trust which can cause a big scam because the honest person who got the green trust is not using that account anymore
you are right that people with a lot of trust should have their trust removed prior to selling their account however the trust does add value to the account so any buyer would need to pay a preimum for trust and would need to risk being called out as a scammer if they try to scam and if they are called out they would lose their entire investment

yeah but it seems a good investment lol buy a account with green trust for 1BTC and do a scam with it for 2BTC = 1BTC profit , selling of a account with green trust should be banned in my point of view
it isn't a guarantee that you will be able to scam for that much. Most scams that I have seen were for much less. Plus people are generally less willing to do business with people they haven't don't business with before without escrow. If the other person wants escrow and you won't use escrow then you will almost automatically will be called a scammer and lose your entire investment. If you do go through with your transaction then you are doing a deal that you probably didn't really want to do
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December 23, 2014, 08:35:26 AM
#8
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)

but what i am saying is i saw some seller are selling account with green trust which can cause a big scam because the honest person who got the green trust is not using that account anymore
you are right that people with a lot of trust should have their trust removed prior to selling their account however the trust does add value to the account so any buyer would need to pay a preimum for trust and would need to risk being called out as a scammer if they try to scam and if they are called out they would lose their entire investment

yeah but it seems a good investment for scamers lol buy a account with green trust for 1BTC and do a scam with it for 2BTC = 1BTC profit , selling of a account with green trust should be banned in my point of view
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December 23, 2014, 08:31:41 AM
#7
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)

but what i am saying is i saw some seller are selling account with green trust which can cause a big scam because the honest person who got the green trust is not using that account anymore
you are right that people with a lot of trust should have their trust removed prior to selling their account however the trust does add value to the account so any buyer would need to pay a preimum for trust and would need to risk being called out as a scammer if they try to scam and if they are called out they would lose their entire investment
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December 23, 2014, 08:27:45 AM
#6
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)

but what i am saying is i saw some seller are selling account with green trust which can cause a big scam because the honest person who got the green trust is not using that account anymore
sr. member
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December 23, 2014, 08:27:21 AM
#5
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)

Well not a lot of people for such kinds of scams, and have taken steps to prevent that like escrow.
I dont think selling accounts is bad, but selling accounts with trust can cause serious damage.
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December 23, 2014, 08:21:20 AM
#4
Actually selling accounts improves the safety of accounts. If someone needs money they can sell their account instead of throwing their account by trying to scam (and potentially resolving their need for money)
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December 23, 2014, 08:16:31 AM
#3
i think there should be ban on selling accounts with Green trust because it can cause a big scam
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December 23, 2014, 07:01:31 AM
#2
The blame is on the companies that pay users for spamming on the signature and crapping all over the forum. People selling their accounts is just a symptom of the problem.
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December 23, 2014, 04:30:50 AM
#1
Stop selling your accounts. this only makes the community suffer
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